The religion thread.

[Seabiscuit36]

you're an idiot if you go to church

Barrak Obama

you know its barrack anf you hes too intelligent to believe in these fairy tales

ho leee farg

[MMH]

you're an idiot if you go to church

Barrak Obama

you know its barrack and hes too intelligent to believe in these fairy tales

whoopsies

Uh, it's Barack.  Whoopsie?

[shorebird]

Martin Luther King was a Reverend

All the Kennedys
Albert Einstien
All the founding fathers, say what you want about their lifestyles, they were anything but idiots.
A lot of Jewish people, like 90% of the people who run Hollywood
Quite possibly the better part of Jew boys entire family tree.

The real idocy here is to generalize in such a manner that you group people together of which anyone with half a brain knows that a lot of them aren't anyones idiots.

[mpmcgraw]

All of the founding fathers?  A not inconsiderable percentage of the founding fathers were atheist.  If you are not educated about something, why talk about it at all?

"​Relig​ions are all alike​ – found​ed upon fable​s and mytho​logie​s.​" ~ Thoma​s Jeffe​rson

[Tomahawk]

To claim to believe in some theology, whether it be to ge elected or laid, is not idiotic; however to actually believe the theology is

[shorebird]

All of the founding fathers?  A not inconsiderable percentage of the founding fathers were atheist.  If you are not educated about something, why talk about it at all?

"​Relig​ions are all alike​ – found​ed upon fable​s and mytho​logie​s.​" ~ Thoma​s Jeffe​rson

Not the point of my post, but anyway....

link

None of them were atheists, they were however all secualrists (meaning they believed that church and state should be seperate, to each his own.) but the personal beliefs of the founding fathers fell into three religious categories: first, the smallest group, founders who had left their Judeo-Christian heritages and become advocates of the enlightenment religion of nature and reason called "Deism" like Thomas Paine and Ethan Allen who believed in a supreme being who laid the foundations of the universe but doesn't intervene to break its' laws (meaning in the Deist' point of view it is unreasonable to believe in a personal god or believe in the existence of miracles which defy natural laws) The second largest group consisted of the founders who remained practicing Christians. They retained a supernaturalist worldview, a belief in the divinity of Jesus Christ, and an adherence to the teachings of their denomination. These founders included Patrick Henry, John Jay, and Samuel Adams. The largest group , consisted of founders who retained Christian loyalties and practice but were influenced by Deism. Like John Adams, George Washington, James Monroe and Benjamin Franklin.

BUT, that TJ quote was one I've nver heard of, so I ask you about your crack of not talking about something. If I'd never have brought it up, how would I have ever know about that quote?(even if I can't find it and you know usually when posting something like that a link would do well to back it up.)

[mpmcgraw]

you just linked and quoted wikianswers as proof.

do you see the absurbidity of what you just did?

[MDS]

shorebird, do you believe in unicorns?

[Diomedes]

I would call the founding fathers who did not go in for religion as Deists.  Thomas Jefferson chief among them.

[shorebird]

you just linked and quoted wikianswers as proof.

do you see the absurbidity of what you just did?

Uh...theres plenty more of 'em out there, that was on the top. Only one I couldn't link was your TJ quote.

This seems to be a good read on the one thing you seemed to have gotten' from a post of mine that had a completely different meaning. But hey, why let the chance to throw a insult get in the way of staying on topic?

Link

Over the years, Jefferson's religious ideas and character have been subject to much misunderstanding and misinterpretation.

I always thought he was Episcopalian. Seems that might not be so. One thing I always thought that none of them ever were was Atheist.

[Eagaholic]

OK, so for everyone who got most/all right on the NY Times religion quiz, you can try this harder one. Spoiler alert: answers are at the bottom. Also, it was a little unfair, two questions have "all of the above" as the answer, though it isn't clear anywhere that's an option. Anyway, see if you can get into heaven (and maybe cop 72 virgins - which really isn't that many if you're thinking in terms of eternity)

Test Your Savvy on Religion
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Time for a pop quiz.
The New York Times reported recently on a Pew Research Center poll in which religious people turned out to be remarkably uninformed about religion. Almost half of Catholics didn't understand Communion. Most Protestants didn't know that Martin Luther started the Reformation. Almost half of Jews didn't realize Maimonides was Jewish. And atheists were among the best informed about religion.

So let me give everybody another chance. And given the uproar about Islam, I'll focus on extremism and fundamentalism and, as you'll see, there's a larger point to this quiz. Note that some questions have more than one correct choice; answers are at the end.

1. Which holy book stipulates that a girl who does not bleed on her wedding night should be stoned to death?
a. Koran
b. Old Testament
c. (Hindu) Upanishads

2. Which holy text declares: "Let there be no compulsion in religion"?
a. Koran
b. Gospel of Matthew
c. Letter of Paul to the Romans

3. The terrorists who pioneered the suicide vest in modern times, and the use of women in terror attacks, were affiliated with which major religion?
a. Islam
b. Christianity
c. Hinduism

4. "Every child is touched by the devil as soon as he is born and this contact makes him cry. Excepted are Mary and her Son." This verse is from:
a. Letters of Paul to the Corinthians
b. The Book of Revelation
c. An Islamic hadith, or religious tale

5. Which holy text is sympathetic to slavery?
a. Old Testament
b. New Testament
c. Koran

6. In the New Testament, Jesus' views of homosexuality are:
a. strongly condemnatory
b. forgiving
c. never mentioned

7. Which holy text urges responding to evil with kindness, saying: "repel the evil deed with one which is better."
a. Gospel of Luke
b. Book of Isaiah
c. Koran

8. Which religious figure preaches tolerance by suggesting that God looks after all peoples and leads them all to their promised lands?
a. Muhammad
b. Amos
c. Jesus

9. Which of these religious leaders was a polygamist?
a. Jacob
b. King David
c. Muhammad

10. What characterizes Muhammad's behavior toward the Jews of his time?
a. He killed them.
b. He married one.
c. He praised them as a chosen people.

11. Which holy scripture urges that the "little ones" of the enemy be dashed against the stones?
a. Book of Psalms
b. Koran
c. Leviticus

12. Which holy scripture suggests beating wives who misbehave?
a. Koran
b. Letters of Paul to the Corinthians
c. Book of Judges

13. Which religious leader is quoted as commanding women to be silent during services?
a. The first Dalai Lama
b. St. Paul
c. Muhammad

Answers:
1. b. Deuteronomy 22:21.
2. a. Koran, 2:256. But other sections of the Koran do describe coercion.
3. c. Most early suicide bombings were by Tamil Hindus (some secular) in Sri Lanka and India.
4. c. Hadith. Islam teaches that Jesus was a prophet to be revered.
5. All of the above.
6. c. Other parts of the New and Old Testaments object to homosexuality, but there's no indication of Jesus' views.
7. c. Koran, 41:34. Jesus says much the same thing in different words.
8. b. Amos 9:7
9. all of them
10. all of these. Muhammad's Jewish wife was seized in battle, which undermines the spirit of the gesture. By some accounts he had a second Jewish wife as well.
11. a. Psalm 137
12. a. Koran 4:34
13. b. St. Paul, both in 1 Corinthians 14 and 1 Timothy 2, but many scholars believe that neither section was actually written by Paul.

[ice grillin you]

two right not counting the all of the above questions

[Seabiscuit36]

The HS i attended will most likely shut down as a result of a priest diddling a 17 year old kid in the 60's for 2 years.  Guy won a 30million dollar suit most from the parish, and 3 mill from the highschool specifically.  The priest was a sick farg though, would drive a corvette around, and pick up the highschool boys from practices and games, and woudl put too many in the car so they had to sit on his lap.   

[Tomahawk]

The HS i attended will most likely shut down as a result of a priest diddling a 17 year old kid in the 60's for 2 years.  Guy won a 30million dollar suit most from the parish, and 3 mill from the highschool specifically.  The priest was a sick farg though, would drive a corvette around, and pick up the highschool boys from practices and games, and woudl put too many in the car so they had to sit on his lap.   

That's not very safe...seat belts save lives

[reese125]

Yeah not too sure how you fit a high schooler on your lap driving a vet.

Damn I wish a priest in my school tried to touch my shtein back in the day. Actually, now that I....