Who needs to go? - Defense

Started by Butchers Bill, November 27, 2006, 12:03:39 PM

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Butchers Bill

I think that the defense is going to be blown up after this season is over, so lets make a list of who needs to go. 

Gone:

Darwin Walker
Mike Lewis
Dhani Jones
Sam Rayburn
Jerome McDougal
The entire defensive coaching staff, including position coaches and water boys

Can't go because they are too young/count too much against the cap:

Matt McCoy
Sean Considine
Darren Howard (is he still on the team?)
Broderick Bunkley (yes, he is a bust, I don't care if he's a rookie)

I believe I've passed the age of consciousness and righteous rage
I found that just surviving was a noble fight.
I once believed in causes too,
I had my pointless point of view,
And life went on no matter who was wrong or right.

PhillyPhreak54

Agree with the top list.

Howard is a good DE, he stays.
To call Bunkley a bust now is stupid.

Quasimoto

#2
I agree with everything here.  Bunkley isn't a bust until next year when he takes Walker's spot as a speed bump for running backs and linemen.

Butchers Bill

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 27, 2006, 12:07:24 PM
Agree with the top list.

Howard is a good DE, he stays.
To call Bunkley a bust now is stupid.

We've said that about McDougal too Phreak.  Of course, the standard line in the NFL is it takes several years for you to know for sure, but come on.  Has the kid shown ANYTHING that warranted him being a high 1st round pick?  Patterson at least had some flashes as a rookie, but Bunkley is looking more like Leonard Renfro/Bruce Walker/Jon Harris.
I believe I've passed the age of consciousness and righteous rage
I found that just surviving was a noble fight.
I once believed in causes too,
I had my pointless point of view,
And life went on no matter who was wrong or right.

PhillyPhreak54

The standard line is about right. You need to give the rookies time to show what they can do. Bunkley has not started, he has not seen extended playing time either. So to pass judgment right now is crazy. Patterson showed flashes because he was given the opportunity to get in there and play. Bunkley needs to grow up mentally and learn the NFL game and then we'll see where he's at.

Butchers Bill

Bunkley hasn't gotten the opportunity because he can't be better than Darwin "I get blasted off the line every down" Walker in practice.  That's not good.
I believe I've passed the age of consciousness and righteous rage
I found that just surviving was a noble fight.
I once believed in causes too,
I had my pointless point of view,
And life went on no matter who was wrong or right.

Diomedes

Trotter can take a hike, too.  He's one dimensional at best.  Bounce him.
There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." - Yosemite Park Ranger

PhillyPhreak54

Quote from: Butchers Bill on November 27, 2006, 12:20:05 PM
Bunkley hasn't gotten the opportunity because he can't be better than Darwin "I get blasted off the line every down" Walker in practice.  That's not good.

Or is it because the coaches, for whatever reason, have not decided to bench Darwin...we don't know.

PoopyfaceMcGee

I was just going to make a thread like this, but for the whole organization.

Quasimoto

Quote from: FFatPatt on November 27, 2006, 12:44:03 PM
I was just going to make a thread like this, but for the whole organization.

Andy Reid

Quasimoto

Also,  I agree with Trotter.  I like him but he looks like shtein out there.   The Eagles should let Gaither play a little bit these last few weeks of the season to see what he has.

PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: Butchers Bill on November 27, 2006, 12:03:39 PM
Gone:

Darwin Walker
Mike Lewis
Dhani Jones
Sam Rayburn
Jerome McDougal
The entire defensive coaching staff, including position coaches and water boys

Can't go because they are too young/count too much against the cap:

Matt McCoy
Sean Considine
Darren Howard (is he still on the team?)
Broderick Bunkley (yes, he is a bust, I don't care if he's a rookie)

I agree with this whole sentiment, except for Howard.  If he really isn't producing, his contract was actually made up so that the cap hit wouldn't be that big.  However, his contract also isn't nearly as big as outwardly reported, so I think cutting him is a bad decision.

McCoy could be a valuable role player and even start WITH THE RIGHT LB corps around him.

SD_Eagle5

Quote from: Diomedes on November 27, 2006, 12:22:50 PM
Trotter can take a hike, too.  He's one dimensional at best.  Bounce him.


Yup, he used to break plays up now he just gets trampled over like the OLBs do. What makes it worse is him acting like his shtein don't stink afterwards.
The first list was good but I agree with Phreak, Howard's not a bad end and he can only do so much when the interior line and opposite DE are undersized and getting mauled. Bunkley gets a rookie exemption from me for now.

Susquehanna Birder

Quote from: Hoe Cakes on November 27, 2006, 12:10:18 PM
I agree with everything here.  Bunkley isn't a bust until next year when he takes Walker's spot as a speed bump for running backs and linemen.

True. The McDougle Experiment is over. Let the Bunkley Test begin.

Diomedes

Howard is an excellent football player.  I see no reason to drop him.
There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." - Yosemite Park Ranger