seems there's enough of them...
Northern Illinois University (http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/14/university.shooting/index.html)
Quote
At least two people have been shot and several injured shortly before 4 p.m. CT at Northern Illinois University outside Chicago, CNN affiliates are reporting.
The gunman who opened fire in Cole Hall, a lecture building, is dead according to DeKalb police, the Chicago Sun-Times is reporting.
This says no fatalities known at this time, but on another site I had heard maybe up to four dead, including the gunman.
I picked a great time to go back to school. :-\
As long as people have guns, this will happen.
Yawn.
Everyone should carry a SAW with them, its the american way
Dio, are you anti-gun?
Serious question.
at least the shootings at temple take place off campus, so no one really notices.
Quote from: Father Demon on February 14, 2008, 06:08:31 PM
Dio, are you anti-gun?
Serious question.
Serious answer...no.
As a practical matter, they'll never be gotten rid of, so I'm not looking for the government to try to sieze all guns. Moreover, I think it's good sense to allow shotguns, rifles, and even revolvers. I think shotguns are the perfect tool (after a big dog or two) for home self defense, and rifles ought to be allowed for hunting (they are useless for self defense). I guess revolvers are okay too, but I'm on the fence a bit there...so much damage done because you can pocket it...but hell, youv'e only got six shots, so I'd allow 'em.
Everything else should be restricted to police and military. To be clear, I fully support banning anything but rifles, shotguns, and revolvers.
I am not worried about the government using the military to attack us; the "to protect us against the government" argument is ridiculous. First, I just don't see
DMF turning his M-16 on American civilians just because his commander tells him to. Not even on protestors, Kent State notwithstanding. Second, if he DID submit to such an order, so would the dudes with the remote control missile bearing airplanes, which would annihilate citizens in America just as effectively as those in Iraq, even if they do have M-16s. So I reject that argument.
The technology available at the time did not allow the founding fathers to imagine a world of automatic pistols you can hide in your pocket. It is one of the most out-dated parts of the U.S. Constitution, an otherwise awesome document.
ok, funny answer now
I'm not PG; I can't be funny on demand.
haha, good enough
I'm pretty much in full agreement with Dio on this one. I can see owning shotguns, and even to some degree handguns, for purposes of hunting or protection of family and property. But there is no need for the average citizen to own assault rifles and the like.
I'm also in favor of compulsory classes and background checks before being allowed to own guns.
Agreed.
Handguns, shotguns and rifles = fine.
Fully automatic weapons, armor piercing rounds and the like = police/military only
I always think back to those nuts in LA a few years ago who robbed that bank and then walked down the street in body armor smokin people left and right.
It was recently the anniversary of that event.
Also, I think the NRA does very good work with the gun safety classes. Regarding the rest of their agenda, I think they ought to be shot.
I am also in agreement with Dio on this one.
But the argument about outlawing guns (or certain kinds of guns) means only outlaws will have them. Chances are very low I'll ever be one on one with an automatic-weapon armed dude and I only have a revolver, but if it happened I would get smoked.
But, with the chances so remote, I'm in agreement with certain restrictions.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 14, 2008, 07:29:36 PM
Agreed.
Handguns, shotguns and rifles = fine.
Fully automatic weapons, armor piercing rounds and the like = police/military only
I always think back to those nuts in LA a few years ago who robbed that bank and then walked down the street in body armor smokin people left and right.
When the zombies come, do you want a shotty or a SAW with armor piercing rounds?
The bank of america robbery with the auto weapons w/armor piercing rounds and sewn together bullet proof vests really was an amazing robbery, plus those guys were hopped up on pcp or some drug.
The problem is just like handguns, you can control the legal purchasers, but for the street, there is a different law and market.
Depends on your skills...if you know how to use your weapon, the fact your opponent can spray bullets don't matter.
Furthermore, if we outlaw the guns I'm talking about, then it's a matter of attrition....once they are no longer sold, every one of them taken out of ciruclation by whatever means is a tangible gain in public safety. Eventually, even thugs won't have them. Granted, 'eventually' here means many years, but what the farg, it's worth getting started on, I think.
Holy crap NIU is only about 35-40mins from me. One of my employees goes to school there, luckilyfor him he has night classes. 4 dead and 17 injured according to CNN a couple of minutes ago.
just went back to CNN and now it is 5 dead, what a shame:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/14/university.shooting/index.html
In many parts of the county it is a hell of a lot easier to get a gun than a fishing liscence.
Splains that to me.
PETA is strong in those places, obviously.
I'm sure I'm not the first to say this, but whatever. I find it interesting that the news media erupts with coverage when the dead count is 5 or 6 or15 in one event, but when it's 1 or 2 a day in similarly small geographic area constantly, it gets no national press. Too much to report on, I guess.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 14, 2008, 08:03:08 PM
The problem is just like handguns, you can control the legal purchasers.
that didnt work out to well in the VT shootings
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 15, 2008, 09:48:33 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 14, 2008, 08:03:08 PM
The problem is just like handguns, you can control the legal purchasers.
that didnt work out to well in the VT shootings
The problem with that was if i remembe correctly, Cho was sent to therapy, or had to be evaluated mentally. I do think that if you at any time are sent to, or have had to been treated for mental issues, there should be a reporting system in place. I know that when i got my handgun and license, i had to sign 3 different places that i have not been in a mental institution, nor had any mental breakdowns or something to that effect. The problem is right now there is no concrete way to prove that someone isnt lying. The problem is rights of those, and doctors providing information to the gubament about one's mental state.
Its a broken system but full scale banning of guns is a stupid idea.
(http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/US/02/15/university.shooting/t1home.niu.shooter.ap.jpg) He was reported off his meds, i'm guess this pic was when he was on his meds.
he got all the attention he's ever wanted now. freak
Last night on the History Channel was something on the St Valentines Day Massacre in 1929. After that was supposed to be Snipers which seemingly would be awesome. They replaced it with some stupid shtein and I was pissed.
6 Killed in Memphis shooting (http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/03/memphis.killings/index.html?eref=rss_topstories)
He must have been at least a Level 21.
http://www.esquire.com/features/steven-kazmierczak-0808
Article in Esquire about the guy from NIU. A long read, but pretty good and interesting.
This is another school shooting incident that was completely fabricated. As we all know, "guns don't kill people, people kill people". I find it hard to believe that anybody could massacre that many people without a gun. Never happened.
I'd love to massacre you and your family with my gun
ATV needs to go away.
What's not to love about an "ex" skins fan that is only rivaled by Cerevant in his unbridled love for Obama?
hes right tho
Sure he is. Boo hoo, guns killed all of those people. Evil deranged guns decided to turn themselves on the populace and it's all because we let those guns exist. We'd never find ways to kill people en masse without those evil guns.
Making guns impossible for law-abiding citizens to get means that only three types of entities would have firepower:
Police (Feds on down)
Military
Criminals
I'm all for reasonable controls, but those that think you can take guns out of circulation to prevent crime are laughable.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 24, 2008, 09:08:38 AMWe'd never find ways to kill people en masse without those evil guns.
you're rhetoric is well taken up until this point, where you can't be serious
please to explain to me how a couple high school kids are gonna kill a dozen and injure two dozen more, or how one college kid could kill 30+, without the guns?
a suicide bomb? We get so many of those here...maybe the easy access to guns is preventing a rash of suicide bombings in the U.S.?
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm simply saying that you will never convince me that guns are the problem. People are the problem. (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-06-08-stabbing-tokyo_N.htm) And if they want to go on a murdering spree and kill 30, 40 or 50 people all they have to do is hop in their car and run down some pedestrians. Preferrably in Boston. Are we going to outlaw cars too?
Just Priuses.
I hate getting involved in these conversations...but it still beats work.
If guns were illegal, it wouldn't mean that guns didn't exist. There will always be ways to get guns, if you want guns.
Other than that, it's ridiculously easy to make bombs. And beyond that, blades would work for someone who knew how to use them.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 24, 2008, 09:13:56 AM
Making guns impossible for law-abiding citizens to get means that only three types of entities would have firepower:
Police (Feds on down)
Military
Criminals
I'm all for reasonable controls, but those that think you can take guns out of circulation to prevent crime are laughable.
im not even talking about banning guns or gun control for that matter...this country is so farged up in that area and the nra is so powerful that i dont even pretend that theres any chance of real gun control ever happening...its not even an important issue for me
but the fact is more guns = more people get killed by guns
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2008, 09:21:16 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 24, 2008, 09:13:56 AM
Making guns impossible for law-abiding citizens to get means that only three types of entities would have firepower:
Police (Feds on down)
Military
Criminals
I'm all for reasonable controls, but those that think you can take guns out of circulation to prevent crime are laughable.
im not even talking about banning guns or gun control for that matter...this country is so farged up in that area and the nra is so powerful that i dont even pretend that theres any chance of real gun control ever happening...its not even an important issue for me
but the fact is more guns = more people get killed by guns
Sarcasm aside, I wonder if less guns would equate to fewer killings. Obviously, less guns should mean less shooting deaths...but it wouldn't necessarily mean fewer killings. Would be an interesting study.
yeah, there are so many mass murders via stabbings and bombs and cars in those countries which have banned guns...
it's a round robin argument with no end, I admit, and one I really don't care too much about having because in this country, it's already settled. we are married to guns, divorce is not possible. And it's an ugly marriage, but oh well, we're too busy thinking about the kids.
So can we all just agree to ban ATV and be done with it?
You know, on the "ban guns" tip...if the only people who are allowed to have them are law enforcement and military, that would make it pretty easy to round 'em up....anyone with a gun is a criminal. in a few decades, there would be almost no guns on the street.
Why would you want to make otherwise law-abiding citizens into criminals? Sounds exactly like the marijuana argument to me...
Quote from: Zanshin on July 24, 2008, 09:23:52 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2008, 09:21:16 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 24, 2008, 09:13:56 AM
Making guns impossible for law-abiding citizens to get means that only three types of entities would have firepower:
Police (Feds on down)
Military
Criminals
I'm all for reasonable controls, but those that think you can take guns out of circulation to prevent crime are laughable.
im not even talking about banning guns or gun control for that matter...this country is so farged up in that area and the nra is so powerful that i dont even pretend that theres any chance of real gun control ever happening...its not even an important issue for me
but the fact is more guns = more people get killed by guns
Sarcasm aside, I wonder if less guns would equate to fewer killings. Obviously, less guns should mean less shooting deaths...but it wouldn't necessarily mean fewer killings. Would be an interesting study.
check out the countries that have no guns or real and honest gun control
i cant really think of a more user friendly effective and easily accessable killing machine than a hand gun...lets say guns disappeared tomorrow...what equivalent method would replace the gun that would keep killing at their current numbers?
Quote from: rjs246 on July 24, 2008, 09:27:49 AM
Why would you want to make otherwise law-abiding citizens into criminals? Sounds exactly like the marijuana argument to me...
They hand their guns over and they aren't criminals. They don't, and they are. 25 years later, we don't have the wild wild west anymore.
I'm not advocating this. But the argument that guns will always be available is not as lock tight as you think. If we decided that we didn't want this crap anymore, and were willing to pay the price to purge the nation of guns, it could be done. It would take damn near forever, but it could happen. And along the way, it would make crime fighting a lot more simple..you have a gun and you're not a cop, you're a bad guy.
In other words you're advocating talking about making otherwise lawful citizens into criminals because there are psychos out there who choose to kill people. Nothing like catering all of our laws to the lowest common denominator to improve the country.
Quote from: Diomedes on July 24, 2008, 09:32:05 AM
I'm not advocating this.
They wouldn't be law abiding if the law said no more guns and they kept them, now would they?
they wouldnt be lawful if they were breaking the law
OK, little miss semantics. You're talking about changing the law to make hundreds of thousands of CURRENTLY law abiding citizens into criminals if they don't give up one of their constitutionally protected rights.
SIGN ME UP!
Now who's arguing semantics?
The idea is that it is possible for the nation to decide we'd rather not have millions of guns floating through our society. It's not farging likely, but if the nation decided, it the political will existed, to reject the idea that anyone and everyone can have guns, then the seemingly permanent reality could in fact be changed.
Once upon a time we had slaves. A seemingly permanent social value changed. We don't anymore.
I don't believe that the Bill of Rights outlined owning another human being as an inalienable right, but whatever. Guns don't kill people, life kills people.
No, it was such fundamental assumption at the time that the bill of rights didn't bother to address it at all. Of course you could own slaves.
Okay, we ban guns. I'm willing to bet that crazy people who want to go on killing sprees will look for guns to do it with regardless. And find them. Then shoot people.
Didn't Australia ban guns after a school shooting or some such? And now they have drastically fewer shootings? Or some such?
Now they use a combination of boomerangs and drop bears. And the people who still want to own guns have them, they just don't tell everyone.
Also, it's only automatics and semi-automatics that have been outlawed.
Another edit. The one major shooting Australia had was carried out with petrol bomb cocktail and a crossbow. - http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/03/1048962883322.html
Quote from: General_Failure on July 24, 2008, 11:10:52 AM
Another edit. The one major shooting Australia had was carried out with petrol bomb cocktail and a crossbow. - http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/03/1048962883322.html
That's bad-ass.
Amazingly enough, it wasn't blamed on video games.
That's because no one's ever made a video game that awesome.
Guns are not banned in Canada but they sure make it hard to obtain one and keep lliceinced. Not to say there are not illegal guns out there etc...
No guns means that while our gun fatalities are down - stabbings are way up!
QuoteOther students leapt on to the youth to try to prevent him re-loading the crossbow. They said he had thrown a molotov cocktail against a wall of the science block where the girls were sitting and was attempting to light the fuel as they struggled with him.
"It was horrifying, it was like something you only hear about in America," 15-year-old Tania Miller said.
Just my view:
Stricter gun control / banning guns would lead to less deaths via the 'crime of passion," or murder as a result of an escalating argument, simply because it wouldn't be as easy to do. It wouldn't eliminate it, but it would reduce it.
First degree murder probably wouldn't be reduced much, because if it is planned, the contingency would be in place. The breakdowns of capital murder may be different, but I don't think the total number would be reduced by a whole lot. Someone really wants to kill, they'll find a way.
QuoteIf guns were illegal, it wouldn't mean that guns didn't exist. There will always be ways to get guns, if you want guns.
If this were true then why do we need a second amendment to allow guns?
Because when the amendment was passed guns were five feet long and took 40+ seconds to reload. I can certainly grasp why it was passed. I have no problem with people carrying rifles. Hell, carry them on the subway even. Like to hunt? No problem, buy a rifle. Without a permit even. Take 50.
But the forefathers had no conception of the power of modern handguns. If you disagree then again, tell me where it should stop? If citizens should be allowed to own or carry 5-inch long self repeating death-sticks around, then should they be allowed machine guns? No? Yes? If so then should they be allowed to own or carry TOW missles? No? Why the hell not? Yes? If so then should citizens be allowed to own Titan missles? Why not - After all it's people that kill people, not missles for God's sake. Poor weetle missles. Remember these are arms too, and it's supposedly the right of the people "to keep and bear arms"
Just answer the fvcking question -
Where do you draw the line?
All I want is an automatic shotgun with banana clip, grenade launcher, hd-dvd player with lcd screen and flamethrower and until I get that I'm not going to be satisfied.
Quote from: ATV on July 24, 2008, 06:13:42 PM
QuoteIf guns were illegal, it wouldn't mean that guns didn't exist. There will always be ways to get guns, if you want guns.
If this were true then why do we need a second amendment to allow guns?
Because when the amendment was passed guns were five feet long and took 40+ seconds to reload. I can certainly grasp why it was passed. I have no problem with people carrying rifles. Hell, carry them on the subway even. Like to hunt? No problem, buy a rifle. Without a permit even. Take 50.
But the forefathers had no conception of the power of modern handguns. If you disagree then again, tell me where it should stop? If citizens should be allowed to own or carry 5-inch long self repeating death-sticks around, then should they be allowed machine guns? No? Yes? If so then should they be allowed to own or carry TOW missles? No? Why the hell not? Yes? If so then should citizens be allowed to own Titan missles? Why not - After all it's people that kill people, not missles for God's sake. Poor weetle missles. Remember these are arms too, and it's supposedly the right of the people "to keep and bear arms"
Just answer the fvcking question - Where do you draw the line?
People who call guns death sticks aren't allowed to own them. I think we're making progress now.
Your never going to get rid of guns in this country. Be realistic at least. Sheesh...
Some dude picked off three people at a CC in Phoenix today...
QuoteSome dude picked off three people at a CC in Phoenix today...
That's more like it. So what did the guy use, a knife? Machette? Poison?
Scathing wit, I heard. Pointed commentary as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juLQBeZXmPU
what made him think that suit worked, in any context, ever?
It's superfly, whitey.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 24, 2008, 11:26:35 PM
Some dude picked off three people at a CC in Phoenix today...
thanks for posting that esquire piece....just read it in the pooper....per usual an amazing expose by them
Quote from: ATV on July 24, 2008, 06:13:42 PM
If this were true then why do we need a second amendment to allow guns?
When considered in the historical context, the point of the second amendment is to allow the existence of a militia independent of the federal government. Cause, you know, when the king controls the military he accumulates too much power - he can unilaterally declare war and move forward unopposed. But nothing like that would happen today.
Yeah, that couldn't happen today. And if it did, I would totally stop him with my AR 15 and my 9mm Browning Hi Power
Automatic shotgun. With a banana clip. And flamethrower. Make it happen.
Damnit. Some farg-up busted into a church and started shooting. (http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=61322&catid=2) Mental illness is not believed to be a factor.
I know churches get a tough rap around here (including from me) but Unitarian Universalism (http://www.uua.org/visitors/index.shtml) stands against pretty much everything that the fundies stand for.
QuoteThere are seven principles which Unitarian Universalist congregations affirm and promote:
* The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
* Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
* Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
* A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
* The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
* The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
* Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.
Note that "do like we say or you go to hell" is not part of the deal.
Given that UU churches are pretty popular in the gay community, the odds are good that this was a hate crime.
Sounds just like the kind of thing a fundamentalist christian would do, or at least cheer.
I didn't read the article, but I assume he used a bowie knife to do the killing?
2 bombs go off and kill about a dozen wounding 70
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/07/27/turkey.violence/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/07/27/turkey.violence/index.html)
We should ban bombs.
Bombing warnings for the olympics, we must ban bombs!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/china/article4406836.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/china/article4406836.ece)
those crazy christian fundies, why use a gun when you can kill more people with a bomb.
Um, dude, bombs ARE banned. Basically universally illegal.
well, someone needs to tell these fargers then, and if they are banned, how are they able to find them?
You're all over the map. Focus man.
sorry, we just won the arena bowl!!!!
and cat woman is coming back!!
Quote from: Cerevant on July 27, 2008, 05:24:15 PM
Given that UU churches are pretty popular in the gay community, the odds are good that this was a hate crime.
Sometimes I hate being right. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/28/jim-d-adkisson-charged-in_n_115281.html)
QuoteKNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Knoxville's police chief says the man accused of a shooting that killed two people at a Tennessee church targeted the congregation because of its liberal social stance.
Chief Sterling Owen IV said Monday that police found a letter in Jim D. Adkisson's car. Owen said Adkisson was apparently frustrated over being out of work and had a "stated hatred of the liberal movement."
Adkisson is charged with first-degree murder. Police say a gunman entered the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church during a children's performance Sunday. No children were hurt.
The church is known for advocating women's and gay rights and founding an American Civil Liberties Union chapter.
and (http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=61322&catid=2)
QuoteA neighbor told 10News Adkisson described himself as a "Confederate" and a "believer in the old South." She says Adkisson self-identified in this way to her on more than one occasion, but that she didn't know what he meant by it.
Do unto others...
(http://www.getreligion.org/wp-content/photos/coexist.jpg)
Shocker... (http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2008/07/a_whole_lotta_ugly_in_church_s.html)
QuoteAdkisson, who had served in the military, said "that because he could not get to the leaders of the liberal movement he would then target those that had voted them in office," the search warrant states. Among the items seized from Adkisson's house were three books: "The O'Reilly Factor," by television commentator Bill O'Reilly; "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder," by radio personality Michael Savage; and "Let Freedom Ring," by political pundit Sean Hannity.
:puke
It was probably GTA IV that made him snap.
who was the goofball on the board that used to argue with me that the hate from the right is equal to the hate on the left
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 29, 2008, 04:01:06 PM
who was the goofball on the board that used to argue with me that the hate from the right is equal to the hate on the left
your mom
Hate is one thing; violence is another.
Not too sure where this belongs:
40-year-old suspect held in gruesome Manitoba bus killing; Passenger decapitated
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2008/07/31/greyhound-transcanada.html?ref=rss
It probably belongs in the first thread in which it was posted.
One fatality. No gun. Not even in a Catholic church. This belongs in the bacon thread.
And since it happened it Canada, it should have gone in the non-US shootings thread: the iraq war thread.
oh look, another mass stabbing with multiple dead...what would have happened if he had used a gun??
http://www.komonews.com/news/27789174.html
People kill other people. They always have. They always will. Guns fascilitate it. Just like chainsaws and axes and crossbows and knives and candlesticks and rocks and AIDS.
Oh no, her useless twat offspring got knocked up. Who farging cares?
How about we focus on something more important, which even the news agencies are glossing over, which is that she tried to get her sister ex fired from the police department, and when his boss wouldn't step in line, she went after him.
Just what we need - a vindictive fundamentalist Christian president. Again. Except now the prez goes completely, irrationally insane one week out of every month. YAY!
Wrong thread, smart stuff.
You don't understand MMH - if this woman gets the big chair, there will be a mass shooting somewhere up in Illinois...
Quote from: rjs246 on September 03, 2008, 08:11:09 AM
Wrong thread, smart stuff.
Um, yeah, not sure how that happened. I had to search just to find it. Oops.
yet ANOTHER ONE in my neighborhood.
Jesus Christ - I moved to the Yuppie Town to get rid of this shtein:
Two Dead (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iVxAeu5_kxPF16zCqvDPsS6iKNQgD94F44C00)
Yep. Less than a mile from my house. You'd thing I live in freaking Baltimore or some shtein.
In the last six months, we've had three SWAT team deployments over idiots with guns.
Quote
Police say a man and his ex-girlfriend are dead after he took her hostage at a health clinic in suburban St. Louis.
Police in O'Fallon, Mo., say the gunman killed his ex-girlfriend Friday before police shot him to death.
A spokeswoman for St. John's Mercy Urgent Care Center says she cannot release any information.
She says everyone with the clinic "is saddened by the events this evening."
Moral of the story. Middle America is crazy and armed
I'll say this.
No shtein.
Everyone has guns here, and I'm 7 days from buying mine. Blast you, muthafarger......
Quote from: Father Demon on November 15, 2008, 12:20:55 AM
I'll say this.
No shtein.
Everyone has guns here, and I'm 7 days from buying mine. Blast you, muthafarger......
Already have mine, its on
Obviously this man would have stabbed his girlfriend and himself to death if he couldn't get a gun.
If he only killed one person, it really doesn't qualify for the "Mass" shooting thread, right?
Maybe there should be an O'Fallon, Missouri CRIME WATCH thread.
I would bet that with the way the economy is going, incidences like this will become more and more frequent.
incidences!
Well, killins' then, thats easier to spell.
How 'bout the 8yr. old who killed his father and fathers friend. crazy (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/08/national/main4586103.shtml?source=RSSattr=U.S._4586103)
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people".
Huh, finally, a post that makes sense. Had to be something someone else said originally, but progress just the same.
I don't think 8 year olds are capable of murder without a seriously good motive. I suppose it's possible a child that young might be a murderous sociopath, but those are some long odds. More likely the dad had it coming. And his friend, well farg him too.
Yeah, I'm shore the kid has some kind of story that will make you sick.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 16, 2008, 07:46:07 AM
More likely the dad had it coming. And his friend, well farg him too.
I laughed and hate myself a little for it.
QuoteHuh, finally, a post that makes sense.
Hur. Or did you you really believe I wasn't being facetious?
No, you have to be facetious to make sense.
Columbine, ten years later. (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-04-13-columbine-myths_N.htm)
It's amazing how much bullshtein was shoveled down our throats about this.
Ban Assault weapons... Ban Videogames
theres a new book out called "columbine" by dave cullen thats supposed to be excellent
what's it about?
The school's championship bowling team
88 year old racist anti semite govt hating right win lunatic mensa member tried to shoot up the holocaust museum about an hour ago
if you can get on it heres his website....pretty impressive
http://www.holywesternempire.org/
HITLER'S WORST MISTAKE: By JAMES VON BRUNN
By Stophypocrisy
Because there is no real photographic evidence of "Nazi Gas Chambers" I had to use a painting of the imagination of some paranoid Schizoid.
Stophypocrisy
HITLER'S WORST MISTAKE:
HE DIDN'T GAS THE JEWS.
JAMES VON BRUNN
WWW.HOLYWESTERNEMPIRE.ORG
Remember, the Federal Reserve Act (1913) gave JEWS control of America's MONEY. Followed by control of America's main sources of information .
Early on, during the war-torn 20th Century, the only broadcast networks : ABC, CBS, and NBC — were JEW owned. Today, JEWS control ALL important sources of information (The major networks, Newspapers, Magazines, Book-publishing, Tin-Pan Alley, Music & Recording Industry, Hollywood, Encyclopedia Britannica, Public schools and Universities, the Catholic Church, etc.).
Bit by bit Liberalism ascended. Bit by bit the Constitution was re-interpreted. Bit by bit government institutions and Congressmen fell into JEW hands — then U.S. diplomacy, businesses, resources and manpower came under JEW control.
Whitemen sat on their collective asses and did NOTHING - NOTHING BUT TALK. Never before in World history has a Nation so completely been conquered with absolutely NO physical resistance.
Whites LOVE their Enemies.
Today, on the World stage, Whitemen are LAUGHED AT, their women bred by stronger men.
And America ?
America is a Third-World racial garbage-dump — stupid, ignorant, dead-broke, and terminal.
Prepare to die, Whitey.
jvb-88
well hes got a point
im watching fox news to see how they are reporting on this...and theres so many viewers calling/emailing in angrily saying how can they be reporting the shooter is a white supremacist when the police havent reported it...as if white supremacists are great people and they shouldnt be associated with someone who did something like this...thats its just unfair
White Powa
I had no idea my womens were being bred by stronger mens. Now I hate stuff!
ha msnbc interviewd a girl who saw it go down and she said he had a confederate hat on and because of that she thought it was some sort of museum produced interactive event or some shtein before realizing it was fo rilla
speak now you farging republicans
Shut up child. Republican is not synonymous with 'white supremacy' or 'hate'. Only the simple-minded take the extremes and apply them to the whole.
if you dont connect to the dots from limbaugh oreilly hannity beck and the power they have over these mindless repub drones to what just went down then you are a farging pos chain smoking bostonian with uncomfortable good looks hey whats up buddy
Unfortunately thats what took over the R party
id say this lunatic and roeder didnt get the compassionate conservatism mass fax
Quote from: MDS on June 10, 2009, 04:18:10 PM
if you dont connect to the dots from limbaugh oreilly hannity beck and the power they have over these mindless repub drones to what just went down then you are a farging pos chain smoking bostonian with uncomfortable good looks hey whats up buddy
You could connect dots all the way from Limbaugh to Marx if you try hard enough. The Republican party is out of fashion and appealing to its 'base' which is more conservative than the whole but still not associated with murder and bigotry. Parties in dire straights go through this. The Dems went through it in the early 80s and eventually adopted policies that appealed to a broader base of the population. Republicans will do the same in time.
It's easy to make caricatures out of the most extremes and 'connect the dots' from extremes to loud-mouthed shock-personalities, but that isn't reality.
Oops, I forgot to stumblingly flirt with you. Sorry little guy, I got caught up in the moment.
try harder next time
Quote from: rjs246 on June 10, 2009, 04:10:31 PM
Shut up child. Republican is not synonymous with 'white supremacy' or 'hate'. Only the simple-minded take the extremes and apply them to the whole.
it may not be synonymous, but they sure do have a strong connection.....probably one that the party would like to sever at all costs.
not all repubs are hateful white supremists, but you can bet that most hateful white supremists are repubs.
guilty by association.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 10, 2009, 04:57:50 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 10, 2009, 04:10:31 PM
Shut up child. Republican is not synonymous with 'white supremacy' or 'hate'. Only the simple-minded take the extremes and apply them to the whole.
it may not be synonymous, but they sure do have a strong connection.....probably one that the party would like to sever at all costs.
not all repubs are hateful white supremists, but you can bet that most hateful white supremists are repubs.
guilty by association.
You first point is valid but doesn't validate your last point. What should conservatives do? Throw their hands up and abandon conservatism because hateful racist lunatics are scared of colored people and progressive agendas and therefore vote Republican?
There is no guilt by association. There are just lunatics who need to be eliminated with extreme prejudice.
rush limbaugh is a god in the republican party....for god sakes a man who was vice president of the country six months ago said hed rather rush than colin powell represent the party....dont try and act like these people are the fringe of the right......if anything they are the base
Quote from: rjs246 on June 10, 2009, 05:05:33 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 10, 2009, 04:57:50 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 10, 2009, 04:10:31 PM
Shut up child. Republican is not synonymous with 'white supremacy' or 'hate'. Only the simple-minded take the extremes and apply them to the whole.
it may not be synonymous, but they sure do have a strong connection.....probably one that the party would like to sever at all costs.
not all repubs are hateful white supremists, but you can bet that most hateful white supremists are repubs.
guilty by association.
You first point is valid but doesn't validate your last point. What should conservatives do? Throw their hands up and abandon conservatism because hateful racist lunatics are scared of colored people and progressive agendas and therefore vote Republican?
There is no guilt by association. There are just lunatics who need to be eliminated with extreme prejudice.
there's guilt by association everywhere. japanese-americans were locked in camps during wwII. after 9/11 muslims around the world were accused of being terrorists. in the "court of public opinion" these people were guilty because they shared something in common with the actual criminals.
the republican party takes a major pr hit every time some right wing nut job goes ape shtein with a machine gun. that's what guilty by association is. lay off the sauce, dook.
NPR has this on the shooter.
QuoteVon Brunn has a racist, anti-Semitic Web site and wrote a book titled Kill the Best Gentile. In 1983, he was convicted of attempting to kidnap members of the Federal Reserve Board. He was arrested two years earlier outside the room where the board was meeting, carrying a revolver, knife and sawed-off shotgun. At the time, police said von Brunn wanted to take the members hostage because of high interest rates and the nation's economic difficulties.
See, this came from an economic not a racial problem.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 10, 2009, 05:23:48 PMnot all repubs are hateful white supremists, but you can bet that most hateful white supremists are repubs.
true, and not by accident. white supremicists and their ilk are a core faction of the Republican base. if you can't acknowledge that, there's something wrong with you in the head
I'm not going to try to convince the left-wing whackos here that the Republican party is not in cahoots with these extremist whackos. What I will say is that I love how black and white everything is around here. It reinforces my already stellar view of all of you.
Ha. You're farged in the head.
You're right. Assuming that a major political party, that garnered 45% of the nation's vote just 7 months ago, isn't pandering to a lunatic murderous fringe population is completely insane.
I'M the one who is making wild accusations. Totally.
Are you trying to mount the argument that you're not farged in the head? Good luck
Ha. Well struck. I concede.
Dickface. Did I say pandering? Or in cahoots with? No. Though historical examples of both can be cited ad infinitum, that is not what I said. I said hateful racist bigots are a core faction of the republican base. And they are. And you know it. And you are farged in the head. And you know it.
head farged
I already conceded, assbutt. You're right. Conservatives in general and Republicans in particular are all murderously racist bigots. And yes that's exactly what you said and exactly how you meant it.
I've been talking to you for too many years.
Ignore feature?
I'd miss you though. Worse, it won't work in a mb format with someone you know too well. I'd know what you typed ninety percent of the time without reading it, and the rest of the time everyone else's responses would reveal the horror. I might as well just keep suffering.
All this time and you still haven't figured out my only real passion. Arguing with people who will never ever change their mind about something. It's the gift that keeps on giving.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 10, 2009, 07:57:43 PMAll this time and you still haven't figured out my only real passion.
I can't decide whether it's drink, anal, zombies, or just plain farging with people.
If only your singular passion was arsenic.
wouldn't we all be happier if people wanted to do what's right?
Quote from: Diomedes on June 10, 2009, 08:06:09 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 10, 2009, 07:57:43 PMAll this time and you still haven't figured out my only real passion.
I can't decide whether it's drink, anal, zombies, or just plain farging with people.
It rotates, but the first one and last one are more or less constants.
a breakdown of the pittsburgh gym shooters online diary
http://abovethelaw.com/2009/08/kl_gates_shooter_george_sodini.php
Moving into Christmas again. No girlfriend since 1984, last Christmas with Pam was in 1983. Who knows why. I am not ugly or too weird. No sex since July 1990 either (I was 29). No ****! Over eighteen years ago. And did it maybe only 50-75 times in my life. Getting to think that a woman now would just, uh, get in the way of things. Isolated. I have extra money and enjoy traveling, too, wtih my 25-30 days of vacation. LA was the best! But going alone is not too fun. Invited to a party on Christmas day tomorrow. Seems about 15-25 people will actually show. I like her parties; I can meet new people and talk. Got the next 8 days off. I should have exit plan done and practiced by then. I know nothing will change, no matter how hard I try or what goals I set.
so the story is saying he shot his ex-girlfriend, which was 1984? damn...you want to talk about one hell of a grudge
Quote from: reese125 on August 05, 2009, 02:24:08 PM
so the story is saying he shot his ex-girlfriend, which was 1984? damn...you want to talk about one hell of a grudge
are they still saying that....because from reading all his shtein that is never mentioned one time as a motive
June 5, 2009:
I was reading several posts on different forums and it seems many teenage girls have sex frequently. One 16 year old does it usually three times a day with her boyfriend. So, err, after a month of that, this little hoe has had more sex than ME in my LIFE, and I am 48. One more reason. Thanks for nada, *****es! Bye.
July 23, 2009:
Wow!!
I just looked out my front window and saw a beautiful college-age girl leave Bob Fox's house, across the street. I guess he got a good lay today. College girls are hoez. I masturbate. Frequently. He is about 45 years old. She was a long haired, hot little hottie with a beautiful bod. I masturbate. Frequently. Some were simply meant to walk a lonely path in life. I don't usually look out, but just happened to notice. Holy ****. I have masturbated since age 13. Thanks, mum and brother (by blood alone). And dad, old man, for TOTALLY ignoring me through the years. All of you DEEPLY helped me be this way.
I wish I can go back to 1975 and fix things. Awe, that wont work, big BULLY BROTHER would assert his bull ****. He was twice my size. He never messed with guys bigger than 5'10, or so. He is a ***** at heart. Remember, Michael is my brother (we have common parents, that's all) is still a BOSS. Repetition only for emphasis: HE IS ONLY A BULLY, even at 50ish! Never forget that! Because he exudes confidence. People believe bull **** if delivered WITH CONFIDENCE. Get it??
On the same thought, things occured to me today. Michael NEVER had an attractive girlfriend. Debbie, Barb, Kim, ... then I lost track. Not to say I had any (execpt Pam, who was about a 7.25). He married a Chinese-descent, petite woman with no body, no ass, no chest and no personality. She never laughs or smiles, neither does he. But she is highly intelligent and an excellent cook. I can testify to that! She home bakes her own DELICIOUS wheat bread! But who cares about that type of small bull crap? Mike even mentioned when we were visiting dad that "she's not very attractive".
I don't know where I am going with this. I am getting tired, feels good to write and get it all out.
On still another thought, I had 20+ years of sobriety and achieved nothing about friendships, girlfriends, guys, etc. Zilch. What a waste.
last entry..
August 4, 2009:
Also, any of the "Practice Papers" left on my coffee table I used or the notes in my gym bag can be published freely. I will not be embarased, because, well, I will be dead. Some people like to study that stuff. Maybe all this will shed insight on why some people just cannot make things happen in their life, which can potentially benefit others.
jesus, what a wierdo. He should have just shot himself, and Sidney Crosby
sounds as though he's a little pissed about masturbating from his July 23rd blurb. dude must be crazy.
trouble in the hood again
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20091105/US.Fort.Hood.Shooting/
my guess is either latino gangs, or white supremacist. Soldiers, but the army has a huge problem. The thing is why would 3 guys do this.
Time to take guns away from the soldiers. Just to be safe, take all the video games as well.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 05, 2009, 05:01:25 PM
my guess is either latino gangs, or white supremacist. Soldiers, but the army has a huge problem. The thing is why would 3 guys do this.
My boy said its crazy up there right now. His wife works on base and its on lock down and has been since it happened. Which means no one on, no one off. So if ya ran on post to grab some milk or something at the commissary...you're chillin' in the parking lot waiting.
One dude that did it is a Major in the Army, a muslim fella.
damn, not good. I didnt think it would be an outsider, its a process to get on base
I tried to get a hold of some of my boys they don't even have their cell phones on, one did text to tell me he was ok.
i was wondering if you still had some boys there man. Good luck to them.
they are saying dook killed 11 people with two pistols....how the hell do you do that in the middle of a damn army base
Honestly, thats precision shooting. He's also a major, a psychiatrist, and a muslim, similar to the guy who dropped grenades over in iraq.
I heard he was a Phillies fan, too.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 05, 2009, 08:11:26 PM
they are saying dook killed 11 people with two pistols....how the hell do you do that in the middle of a damn army base
contrary to popular belief, not all troops walk around base with side arms and machine guns. so unless you just have the unfortunate luck of trying that ish with 4 or 5 mp's near by, then you're going to get your shots off and do a lot of murderdeathkilling in the process.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 05, 2009, 08:34:54 PM
I heard he was a Phillies fan, too.
too soon.
actually, it's not. i laughed.
way too accurate to be a phillies fan
There are a lot of different reports out there right now, I heard there may have been automatic weapons involved as well. Where he was at is a high volume of people with a little space, similar to a school.
Like Sarge said on a military base very few people are armed. Where they were at no one would be, unless a MP was there for some reason. That is highly unlikely though.
Sounds to me like this was a case of a very stressed out dude snapping, nothing more.
It shouldn't come as too much of a shock given the incredible pressure being endured by our military. You want war, this is part of war. Soldiers get killed and kill people and it fargs them up in a big way.
Problem with that is this guy never saw combat, he just heard the stories from soldiers since he was a army psychiatrist, from what i read in an article today anyway. seems like he was against the wars and was scared to go on his first deployment, so he decided to go on a rampage. i don't understand if he would of even saw combat time. i don't get it. its all very strange. i guess the guy is still alive according to this:
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/soldiers-killed-fort-hood-shooting/story?id=9007938
damn all day yesterday they were saying dude was killed but this morning i see he's at the hospital and stable. another virginia tech wacko.
Quote from: mussa on November 06, 2009, 09:02:25 AM
Problem with that is this guy never saw combat, he just heard the stories from soldiers since he was a army psychiatrist, from what i read in an article today anyway. seems like he was against the wars and was scared to go on his first deployment, so he decided to go on a rampage. i don't understand if he would of even saw combat time. i don't get it. its all very strange. i guess the guy is still alive according to this:
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/soldiers-killed-fort-hood-shooting/story?id=9007938
Yep. He never would have been on the front lines. He was a Muslim who was against the war. Question is why not just go AWOL instead of a shooting rampage. I think they found evidence he was on the internet talking about suicide bombings.
This could also be a terrorist attack, by a radical individual or as part of a group.
If he was a shrink he never would have went "outside the wire". I can kind of understand not wanting to go, but this is just insane. Dude was a coward.
His family says the more religion he got the more screwed up he was.
breaking news: 8 people shot in a high-rise office building in Orlando
Thin the herd.
Quote from: fansince61 on November 06, 2009, 12:20:49 PM
His family says the more religion he got the more screwed up he was.
that's pretty much a given.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 06, 2009, 11:02:51 AM
If he was a shrink he never would have went "outside the wire". I can kind of understand not wanting to go, but this is just insane. Dude was a coward.
As are all radical Muslim murderers,
i dont know
giving up your LIFE for anything is pretty uncowardly if you ask me
The thing about the Fort Hood shootings is that complaints were made and superiors were notified about this nuts state of mind, and it was all swept under the rug. I'm sure it will all come out with the investigation.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 07, 2009, 08:38:38 PM
i dont know
giving up your LIFE for anything is pretty uncowardly if you ask me
Shooting, bombing, or any other way of killing innocent unarmed people because you want to get noticed or don't like the fact they don't share your views or religion is the act of a coward. This animal shot his own fellow soldiers who were unarmed because he didn't like what was going on in Afghanistan. There is no bigger act of cowardice. I can't wait to hear this piece of shtein's story, I'm glad he wasn't killed. Maybe they will do it right and put him in front of a firing squad.
Quote from: shorebird on November 07, 2009, 08:36:39 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 06, 2009, 11:02:51 AM
If he was a shrink he never would have went "outside the wire". I can kind of understand not wanting to go, but this is just insane. Dude was a coward.
As are all radical Muslim murderers,
That would be all crazy-ass murderers, regardless of religious or political beliefs. We just got rid of two rhetoric-spewing jackasses, we don't need anyone to pick up where they left off.
Quote from: shorebird on November 07, 2009, 08:44:24 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 07, 2009, 08:38:38 PM
i dont know
giving up your LIFE for anything is pretty uncowardly if you ask me
Shooting, bombing, or any other way of killing innocent unarmed people because you want to get noticed or don't like the fact they don't share your views or religion is the act of a coward. This animal shot his own fellow soldiers who were unarmed because he didn't like what was going on in Afghanistan. There is no bigger act of cowardice. I can't wait to hear this piece of shtein's story, I'm glad he wasn't killed. Maybe they will do it right and put him in front of a firing squad.
now youre talking more clearly
Quote from: General_Failure on November 07, 2009, 08:46:31 PM
Quote from: shorebird on November 07, 2009, 08:36:39 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 06, 2009, 11:02:51 AM
If he was a shrink he never would have went "outside the wire". I can kind of understand not wanting to go, but this is just insane. Dude was a coward.
As are all radical Muslim murderers,
That would be all crazy-ass murderers, regardless of religious or political beliefs. We just got rid of two rhetoric-spewing jackasses, we don't need anyone to pick up where they left off.
The piece of shtein was obviously a radical Muslim. If he'd have been a white arian supremacist cowardly murderer, I'd have posted it. Whats the problem?
timothy mcveigh parking a truck bomb in front of a day care center then slithering away before it blows up is cowardly
killing yourself in order to kill others....or walking in the middle of a military base and blasting people is not
he shot a bunch of unarmed people because he was too much of a Hoyda to eat a gun himself.
i hope they torture him. slowly. screaming and bloody. and don't keep it quiet.
we are over there the begin with because of your fellow fanatic muslim retards, icehole.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 07, 2009, 09:20:19 PM
timothy mcveigh parking a truck bomb in front of a day care center then slithering away before it blows up is cowardly
killing yourself in order to kill others....or walking in the middle of a military base and blasting people is not
Then what is it?
despicable...evil....ect...
dude should have a pineapple shoved up his ass every day at 4:30pm
Quote from: LBIggle on November 07, 2009, 09:30:30 PM
we are over there the begin with because of your fellow fanatic muslim retards, icehole.
Wrong, in the case of Iraq.
Also, this to me would be hard to qualify as a terrorist attack. This was a military target. Walking into a mall and unloading = terrorist. Killing your enemy's soldiers as an objective = war.
Terrorist: the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
i wasn't really talking about iraq. we are originally over in afghanistan and wherever else there is terrorists because of his fellow muslim extremists. anyone who carries out a despicable act like this can be labeled as an extremist. was it a terrorist attack? probably not. someone would have claimed responsibility for it by now. the point i was making is his fellow "spiritually enlightened" peoples started this mess. if your going to flip out and throw a hissy fit, do it over there and direct it at the people that are responsible. if its that big of a deal and you don't want to fulfill your duty, eat a gun. don't try for suicide by cop. coward.
Take a look at the victims. Nurses, musicians, physician's assistants, engineers, psychologist, and a pregnant mother to be. (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/06/fort.hood.shootings.victims/index.html?eref=rss_topstories)
Yeah, a real battle hardened military target.
I, for one, could care less if this is deemed an act of terrorism or an act of a off the wall nut case, but it isn't hard to qualify it as terrorism if you are informed as to the comments and actions of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan before he went on his shooting rampage. Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fort_hood_shooting_suspect)
QuoteAt least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.
QuoteHis anger was noted by a classmate, who said Hasan "viewed the war against terror" as a "war against Islam."
Dr. Val Finnell, a classmate of Hasan's at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, attended a master's in public health program in 2007-2008. Finnell says he got to know Hasan because the group of public health students took an environmental health class together. At the end of the class, everyone had to give a presentation. Classmates wrote on topics such as dry cleaning chemicals and mold in homes, but Finnell said Hasan chose the war against terror. Finnell described Hasan as a "vociferous opponent" of the terror war. Finnell said Hasan told classmates he was "a Muslim first and an American second."
There are also reports of him shouting "Allahu Akbar," a arabic phrase meaning God is great, before he started shooting people. Sounds like he thought he was fighting a holy war when you hear that stuff. Combined with the reported calmness of how he went about the shooting leads people to believe it was a cold, calculated thought out act. Like most other terrorist attacks.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 07, 2009, 09:20:19 PM
timothy mcveigh parking a truck bomb in front of a day care center then slithering away before it blows up is cowardly
killing yourself in order to kill others....or walking in the middle of a military base and blasting people is not
So a suicide bomber who takes his own life and any number of unarmed people is not a coward?
Quote from: phillymic2000 on November 08, 2009, 08:49:02 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 07, 2009, 09:20:19 PM
timothy mcveigh parking a truck bomb in front of a day care center then slithering away before it blows up is cowardly
killing yourself in order to kill others....or walking in the middle of a military base and blasting people is not
So a suicide bomber who takes his own life and any number of unarmed people is not a coward?
Actually, he didn't take his own life and wasn't shot too death like what was origionally reported. Which is a good thing. Hopefully all the speculation will be laid to rest with facts.
Am I to understand that bowzer and ATV are gone?
Yes.
there is a god?
No.
I'd credit Sassy for touching GF's little black heart with his impassioned ode to the good 'ol days in the politics thread.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 07, 2009, 08:46:31 PM
We just got rid of two rhetoric-spewing jackasses, we don't need anyone to pick up where they left off.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 08, 2009, 09:33:44 AM
Am I to understand that bowzer and ATV are gone?
that's what i was wondering myself.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 08, 2009, 11:33:23 AM
Yes.
praise the black baby jeebus
Quote from: Diomedes on November 08, 2009, 05:51:40 PM
I'd credit Sassy for touching GF's little black heart with his impassioned ode to the good 'ol days in the politics thread.
ha. i just really had enough of those 2 because i really don't think they respect anyone's opinion and they're whole schtick got real old, real quick.
in short, i didn't like the cut of their jibs
i'm kind of curious though, because was offline from yesterday morning until this evening, what those 2 idiots did that finally went over the top.
I had a bad day elsewhere and took it out on them.
i like it
Most of their jackassery was contained in the political threads. Since I'm of the opinion that political discussion can only lead to mindless regurgitation of lies and half truths, I was fine with it.
they both added nothing, other than headaches.
And they probably cost us a couple of good posters. Good posters who probably got their panties in a twist over the deterioration of the political threads, so farg 'em all.
Kitten Mittons
Quote from: General_Failure on November 08, 2009, 09:06:48 PM
I had a bad day elsewhere and took it out on them.
sometimes i think you're the sexiest person on the internet.
Austrailians love him
Much like the kangaroo, my testicles are above my penis.
Ewftw
Ban them all. Let Allah sort them out.
Holy crap I just came back to see that bowzer and ATV have been banned. Now I might have to start posting again. Ugh. bastiches.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/report_cia_aware_ft_hood_shooter_LjsDA0q4t3i0Yfyi4svk9M (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/report_cia_aware_ft_hood_shooter_LjsDA0q4t3i0Yfyi4svk9M)
QuoteArmy massacre fiend Nidal Malik Hasan reportedly tried to make contact with al Qaeda terrorists, something intelligence agencies were aware of months ago.
It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army that Maj. Hasan, an Army shrink, was seeking to connect with suspected terrorists, ABC News reported today on its Web site.
This is looking more and more like it could have been prevented.
i blame the president
Quote from: shorebird on November 11, 2009, 11:25:18 AM
This is looking more and more like it could have been prevented.
"political correctness" strikes again. To many intelligence workers protecting their pensions instead of their country
intel community has a tough job. if they act on every potential red flag they see, they'll look stupid more often than not and will be accused of spreading uneccessary fear and panic along with wasting fed tax dollars, fear mongering, violating the constitution, etc, etc, etc.
on the other hand, when they don't act and something like this comes up, we look at them and wonder wtf are they doing?
it's a double edged sword and anything less than 100% success is going to make them look incompetent even though 100% is not attainable. it's also a harsh reality, but the loss of a dozen american lives is probably not considered a failure in they eyes of the intel community, only in the eyes of the public. as long as intel is holding off the major attacks that target american property or a large # of people (ie 9/11), that is their main concern. a dozen dead people in texas really doesn't concern them very much.
sad. but true.
In war, indecision kills. You have to be bias for your team ;)
nah, actually i don't care for the intel community that much at all. i think the practice of spying on other countries or your own country is childish and unethical. world leaders need to grow the farg up and stay out of each others business. and my own government definitely needs to the farg out of my personal life. but that just because i don't agree with having them around doesn't mean that their job isn't difficult.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 12, 2009, 12:59:23 PM
intel community has a tough job. if they act on every potential red flag they see, they'll look stupid more often than not and will be accused of spreading uneccessary fear and panic along with wasting fed tax dollars, fear mongering, violating the constitution, etc, etc, etc.
on the other hand, when they don't act and something like this comes up, we look at them and wonder wtf are they doing?
it's a double edged sword and anything less than 100% success is going to make them look incompetent even though 100% is not attainable. it's also a harsh reality, but the loss of a dozen american lives is probably not considered a failure in they eyes of the intel community, only in the eyes of the public. as long as intel is holding off the major attacks that target american property or a large # of people (ie 9/11), that is their main concern. a dozen dead people in texas really doesn't concern them very much.
sad. but true.
But also, if military intelligence can't catch everything there is always Dept of Homeland Security to pick up the ball
(http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/epic-fail-career-fair-fail.jpg)
I just found out that 6 of the victims from the shooting were part of my original battalion. Most everybody I know from that unit is gone, but it is crazy to hear.
six of the dead?
not sure
Getting even uglier. link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091121/ap_on_go_ot/us_fort_hood_senate;_ylt=AmN6VPt6v9Vzw0vj7yMlGWKs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNqYmxwcnZyBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMTIxL3VzX2ZvcnRfaG9vZF9zZW5hdGUEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwMxBHBvcwMzBHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNmdWxsbmJzcHN0b3I-)
QuoteLevin also said he considers Hasan's shooting spree, which killed 13 and wounded more than 30, an act of terrorism.
"There are some who are reluctant to call it terrorism but there is significant evidence that is. I'm not at all uneasy saying it sure looks like that," he said.
of course it's an act of terrorism. so is some jesus lover bombing an abortion clinic. the word terrorism has such a broad meaning that it's actually disturbing how many people only use it when muslims be killing white people.
but i get what the article is saying. muslim+contacted al queda+mass shooting of soldiers and families=terrorist.
i would just like to see the talking heads at the top of our government actually use the proper terminology.
I wouldn't mind if they blew past the "terrorism" label, and just called it what it was: fundamentalist Muslim behavior.
so long as we agree to call abortion clinic bombings fundamentalist christian behavior, sounds good to me.
don't know what you'd call Timothy McVeigh or the Unibomber
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on November 21, 2009, 10:16:00 AM
I wouldn't mind if they blew past the "terrorism" label, and just called it what it was: fundamentalist Muslim behavior.
can't say i agree with that one at all because i don't think that murderdeathkill is actually a fundamental of the muslim religion.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 21, 2009, 12:44:24 PM
so long as we agree to call abortion clinic bombings fundamentalist christian behavior, sounds good to me.
don't know what you'd call Timothy McVeigh or the Unibomber
obviously the same goes here.
all i'd like to see is a spade called a spade. attach the terrorism label to this guy if you want to but when some white jesus extremist blows up an abortion clinic, then he needs to be labeled a terrorist as well because he's using terrorist tactics to promote his religious beliefs.
same thing goes for anti-gov't people who blow up gov't buildings. it's an act of terrorism to promote political beliefs.
it really does sicken me that high ranking member of our government are only using the terrorist/ism label when muslims of middle east decent with muslim names are involved but not when whitey does the same thing. it's simply perpetuating a stereotype that makes non-muslims afraid of muslims.
couldnt have said it better. Apparently terrorism is only terrorism when its a sanctioned event by AlQueda, and they have a copyright on the term.
lol @ al queda getting funded with copyright royalties.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 21, 2009, 01:10:24 PM
all i'd like to see is a spade called a spade. attach the terrorism label to this guy if you want to but when some white jesus extremist blows up an abortion clinic, then he needs to be labeled a terrorist as well because he's using terrorist tactics to promote his religious beliefs.
same thing goes for anti-gov't people who blow up gov't buildings. it's an act of terrorism to promote political beliefs.
I couldn't agree more. I feel McVeigh is just as much a terrorist as the pilots of the 911 jets.
the pilots were alright, it was the hijackers were the problem
Well, the terrorist that piloted the plans into the building then.
What gets me though, is that this guy was a officer in the United States Army who probably was in contact with terrorist organizations, schemed and plotted to murder his fellow soldiers, and then actually carried out this terrible act. But still, all some people want to talk about is wether or not to call this cretin a terrorist or not, because someone like McVeigh wasn't. Who gives a crap how his is labeled politically?? I mean, I'll call him a terrorist just because. Call McVeigh a terrorist, the Unibomber, the D.C. sniper, all of 'em. Is it that big a deal when people, innocent mothers and pregnant woman, little kids like the ones at day care in the Oklahoma City bombing are friggen' being murdered?
I think there is way, way too much emphasis put on being politically correct in this country. Every thing, person or act has to be labeled with a certain name or phrase and if you don't call it like those who think they know, you are an ignorant radical. Maybe I'll call Nidel Hasan what he really is, terrorist or not, a murdering treasonist cowardly piece of shtein who needs to be marched in front of a firing squad. He killed nurses, doctors, and a pregnant mother among others. And our government that went overseas and killed thousands supposedly to help protect us from terrorism might have known about him and possibly could have prevented this murderous act saving the lives of the people who swore an oath to protect ours, did absolutely nothing probably because of the political repercussions that would have came from the army calling out a Muslim. That and the loss of the lives of the soldiers is were my thoughts are.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 21, 2009, 01:10:24 PM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on November 21, 2009, 10:16:00 AM
I wouldn't mind if they blew past the "terrorism" label, and just called it what it was: fundamentalist Muslim behavior.
can't say i agree with that one at all because i don't think that murderdeathkill is actually a fundamental of the muslim religion.
I'm using the term "fundamentalist" in it's proper meaning. Someone who goes by the letter of the law in their book. The whole jihad thing is specifically pointed out in the Qur'an. Those who act accordingly, using the word of their book as a motivation, are acting as fundamentalists. And here is the issue.
And here is where it gets dicey. Those who say that Islam is a kind and peaceful religion are either not fundamentalists, or they are being dishonest.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 21, 2009, 12:44:24 PM
so long as we agree to call abortion clinic bombings fundamentalist christian behavior, sounds good to me.
I'm not sure that Christian doctrine specifically permits - or even instructs its practitioners - to do such things. But if you can find specific cases, then yes...it would fit by definition.
Hasan paralyzed (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/22/us/22hasan.html) from the waist down. Good, guess we don't have to worry about him making a run for it.
QuoteMr. Galligan did not immediately respond to phone or e-mail messages seeking comment. Mr. Galligan previously said Mr. Hasan is paralyzed from the waist down. Speaking to reporters after the ruling, Mr. Galligan expressed concern that the judicial process would negatively affect his client's treatment.
The hearing on Saturday was closed to the public and the news media. A spokesman for the Army at Fort Hood did not answer messages. The ruling came as more concerns emerged about Mr. Hasan's connection to a radical Muslim cleric, Anwar al-Awlaki, and whether counterterrorism officials did enough after intercepting e-mail messages Mr. Hasan sent to Mr. Awlaki.
In Washington, several Congressional committees are assessing whether counterterrorism officials from the Defense Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation should have opened an investigation this year after intercepting the messages.
Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat who is the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said after a closed briefing by Defense Department officials on Friday that the committee was considering whether officials on the Joint Terrorism Task Force who examined the e-mail messages were negligent in not alerting Army officials and others to the exchange.
"That's one of the many, many things we're going to look into," Senator Levin said. He also suggested the government might have intercepted other e-mail messages sent by Major Hasan, saying the committee was studying "whether or not other alleged e-mails that existed were properly handled as well." Senator Levin declined to elaborate on the possible additional e-mail messages that the F.B.I. intercepted, which The Washington Post disclosed on Saturday.
I wonder how many if any of these types of messages are intercepted. Does it happen daily, weekly? Is it like Sarge says? One guy on an army base isn't a threat or just plain doesn't warrant attention?? Is there that much of this kind of crap going on that it put Hasan so far down on the list, he was just ignored? That thought makes me wanna' puke. All those millions being spent, all the lives lost overseas, and stuff like this on our home soil goes virtually unnoticed by the people in charge. Were are this countries priorities? I'll tell you were, in the friggen' crapper, thats were.
Quote from: shorebird on November 22, 2009, 08:38:02 AMI wonder how many if any of these types of messages are intercepted. Does it happen daily, weekly? Is it like Sarge says? One guy on an army base isn't a threat or just plain doesn't warrant attention?? Is there that much of this kind of crap going on that it put Hasan so far down on the list, he was just ignored?
There is so much spying and surveilling of U.S. citizens by the government going on that yes, I think that's exactly what happened. It got lost in the great wave of chatter the spooks are collecting and sifting through. Obviously, what we need to do to prevent this is more spying. Obviously, we need government out of health care, economic regulation, environmental oversight, and education...but we just can't get enough military government to be safe. Once every American is being tracked, this kind of thing won't happen any more.
JFC, is that what you're getting from my post, that I think we need more spying? Geez, if thats the way I'm coming across I'm sorry. What I mean is bring home our troops, take that money and protect our borders, and if counter terrorism is going to let something like this happen then whats the point?
Its not like the military is issuing press releases every time they find someone going a little crazy and deal with them.
Yeah, but even with all the spying going on the military wasn't even informed, and didn't even get the chance to deal with Hasan.
This was a terrorist attack, plain and simple.
Quote from: shorebird on November 22, 2009, 09:23:28 AMJFC, is that what you're getting from my post, that I think we need more spying?
No man, I just took your post and ran off on a jag. It was fun at the time. You're kinda sensitive, huh?
Nothing will prevent the lone gunman in the U.S. Nothing. Spy all you want, cc everyone in the world who could possibly care, whatever. A dude with a gun killing dozens is as American as apple pie.
How many consecutive pages can you all argue about the use of a single word? Jesus farging christ. Get a hobby.
Stop being a message board terrorist.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 22, 2009, 09:54:56 AM
Nothing will prevent the lone gunman in the U.S. Nothing. Spy all you want, cc everyone in the world who could possibly care, whatever. A dude with a gun killing dozens is as American as apple pie.
I'll admit most times it's 99% unpreventable, but in this case were people witnessed his anti-american rants and reported it to thier superiors, were messages were intercepted, it seems it could have been prevented. I feel one of the reasons nothing was done is because of the heat and bad press that would have came from a left leaning media. People don't want to overstep the boundry of political correctness.
Yeah I agree.
Its as if Chris Matthews and Wolf Blitzer pulled the trigger themselves.
Quote from: shorebird on November 22, 2009, 10:42:49 AM
I feel one of the reasons nothing was done is because of the heat and bad press that would have came from a left leaning media. People don't want to overstep the boundry of political correctness.
LMFAO.
Give it a farging rest already.
Summary:
- An icehole with a zesty life joins the Army.
- Shockingly his life doesn't get any better.
- The dude is Muslim and decides that his particular flavor of absurd mumbo jumbo is more important that his duties in the Army.
- Dude's life continues to suck and he rants and rants and rants and no one does anything about, probably because just like every other icehole on a soapbox, eventually normal people just tuned him out because no one gives a shtein about a ranting lunatic with a boring zesty life and nothing better to do.
- Dude snaps and has access to guns.
- Idiots spend the next several weeks talking about peripheral issues in an effort to further their own previously held beliefs about the world.
The dude was a whack job. Doesn't matter what religion he was or what his job was or whether you label him a terrorist or a mass murderer or a farging beauty queen. Now he's paralyzed and we'll have to hear about him for months if not years giving you idiots something else to rant about.
Joy.
Quote from: jihadist monk on November 22, 2009, 11:26:40 AM
Yeah I agree.
Its as if Chris Matthews and Wolf Blitzer pulled the trigger themselves.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 22, 2009, 03:31:14 PM
I feel one of the reasons nothing was done is because of the heat and bad press that would have came from a left leaning media. People don't want to overstep the boundry of political correctness.
Quote from: jihadist monk on November 22, 2009, 11:26:40 AM
Yeah I agree.
Its as if Chris Matthews and Wolf Blitzer pulled the trigger themselves.
Give it a farging rest already.
Haha! You just prove my point. Give it a rest, joke about it, forget it.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120765741
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/6744001.html
QuoteA man with an extensive criminal past — whose 95-year prison sentence was commuted in Arkansas nearly a decade ago — was being sought Sunday as a "person of interest" in a deadly ambush on four police officers who were gunned down inside a coffee shop.
Pierce County sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer told reporters that Maurice Clemmons, 37, was one of several people investigators want to talk to and that he could not be called a suspect at this point.
In a news release, the sheriff's office said Clemmons has an extensive violent criminal history from Arkansas, including aggravated robbery and theft. Clemmons also recently was arrested and charged in Pierce County in Washington state for third-degree assault on a police officer, and second-degree rape of a child.
In 1989, Clemmons, then 17, was convicted in Little Rock for aggravated robbery. He was paroled in 2000 after then-Gov. Mike Huckabee commuted Clemmons' 95-year prison sentence. Huckabee, who was criticized during his run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008 for the number of clemencies and commutations he granted, cited Clemmons' age at the time of the sentence.
After his release from prison, Clemmons violated his parole and was returned to prison in July 2001. He was released March 18, 2004, according to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette newspaper.
The four officers were with the 100-member police department of Lakewood, which adjoins the unincorporated area of Parkland, where the shootings took place. The city identified the victims as Sgt. Mark Renninger, 39; Ronald Owens, 37; Tina Griswold, 40; and Greg Richards 42.
Sad story about the 4 officers getting executed in a coffee shop in Washington state.
Guy was in prison most of adult life, should have and would have stayed there if not for Huckabee. If's it's proven he did it, he should be executed.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 29, 2009, 11:39:48 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/6744001.html
QuoteA man with an extensive criminal past — whose 95-year prison sentence was commuted in Arkansas nearly a decade ago — was being sought Sunday as a "person of interest" in a deadly ambush on four police officers who were gunned down inside a coffee shop.
Pierce County sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer told reporters that Maurice Clemmons, 37, was one of several people investigators want to talk to and that he could not be called a suspect at this point.
In a news release, the sheriff's office said Clemmons has an extensive violent criminal history from Arkansas, including aggravated robbery and theft. Clemmons also recently was arrested and charged in Pierce County in Washington state for third-degree assault on a police officer, and second-degree rape of a child.
In 1989, Clemmons, then 17, was convicted in Little Rock for aggravated robbery. He was paroled in 2000 after then-Gov. Mike Huckabee commuted Clemmons' 95-year prison sentence. Huckabee, who was criticized during his run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008 for the number of clemencies and commutations he granted, cited Clemmons' age at the time of the sentence.
After his release from prison, Clemmons violated his parole and was returned to prison in July 2001. He was released March 18, 2004, according to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette newspaper.
The four officers were with the 100-member police department of Lakewood, which adjoins the unincorporated area of Parkland, where the shootings took place. The city identified the victims as Sgt. Mark Renninger, 39; Ronald Owens, 37; Tina Griswold, 40; and Greg Richards 42.
Sad story about the 4 officers getting executed in a coffee shop in Washington state.
In recent months, Clemmons has displayed increasingly erratic behavior, the Seattle Times reported. In May, he punched a sheriff's deputy in the face, the paper said.
In another incident, he had relatives undress, telling them families need to be "naked for at least five minutes on Sunday," the newspaper said, citing a sheriff's department incident report.
Clemmons also believed he was Jesus and could fly, a deputy wrote, based on conversations with family members.
I cant wait to see how this guy obtained his firearm. I'd bet anything it wasnt legally.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 30, 2009, 12:31:49 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 29, 2009, 11:39:48 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/6744001.html
QuoteA man with an extensive criminal past — whose 95-year prison sentence was commuted in Arkansas nearly a decade ago — was being sought Sunday as a "person of interest" in a deadly ambush on four police officers who were gunned down inside a coffee shop.
Pierce County sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer told reporters that Maurice Clemmons, 37, was one of several people investigators want to talk to and that he could not be called a suspect at this point.
In a news release, the sheriff's office said Clemmons has an extensive violent criminal history from Arkansas, including aggravated robbery and theft. Clemmons also recently was arrested and charged in Pierce County in Washington state for third-degree assault on a police officer, and second-degree rape of a child.
In 1989, Clemmons, then 17, was convicted in Little Rock for aggravated robbery. He was paroled in 2000 after then-Gov. Mike Huckabee commuted Clemmons' 95-year prison sentence. Huckabee, who was criticized during his run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008 for the number of clemencies and commutations he granted, cited Clemmons' age at the time of the sentence.
After his release from prison, Clemmons violated his parole and was returned to prison in July 2001. He was released March 18, 2004, according to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette newspaper.
The four officers were with the 100-member police department of Lakewood, which adjoins the unincorporated area of Parkland, where the shootings took place. The city identified the victims as Sgt. Mark Renninger, 39; Ronald Owens, 37; Tina Griswold, 40; and Greg Richards 42.
Sad story about the 4 officers getting executed in a coffee shop in Washington state.
In recent months, Clemmons has displayed increasingly erratic behavior, the Seattle Times reported. In May, he punched a sheriff's deputy in the face, the paper said.
In another incident, he had relatives undress, telling them families need to be "naked for at least five minutes on Sunday," the newspaper said, citing a sheriff's department incident report.
Clemmons also believed he was Jesus and could fly, a deputy wrote, based on conversations with family members.
And now he's dead, so I guess we'll never know. Unless of course he resurrects. That would be bad ass.
Yay!! St. Louis on the map (http://tinyurl.com/ycxt4ok)!
We got about 6 inches of snow last night, which is a ton for St. Louis. Roads are jammed, people run off the road, etc. So this guy was really motivated to pop some caps in asses.....
MA!
i think st louis might be the only city in the us with a pro sports team that i couldnt place on a map
possibly phoenix as well
Trains dont go there?
i dont know but i found out today that trains dont go to nashville or detroit
Phoenix is great, just dont go there in July/August. Monsoon season is hot as farg.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 07, 2010, 02:14:38 PM
i think st louis might be the only city in the us with a pro sports team that i couldnt place on a map
possibly phoenix as well
I think that speaks more to your education than it does for St. Louis.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 07, 2010, 02:20:40 PM
i dont know but i found out today that trains dont go to nashville or detroit
Who the hell voluntarily goes to Detroit anyways?
ive been to the airport. its not that bad.
Quote from: MDS on January 07, 2010, 04:59:48 PM
ive been to the airport. its not that bad.
With explosive devices strapped to your leg?
Yes. He saw some panties when a girl bent over at the waist to pick up her bag. Careful, its got a hair trigger!
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/01/12/georgia.workplace.shooting/index.html
I'm going to start a thread titled, "Crime is on the decline around the globe and things are more or less ok with everyone but no news outlets feel compelled to report that."
It will have zero replies.
i'd respond
You're a doll.
http://www.wset.com/news/stories/0110/697477.html?hpt=T2
link no worky
sorry, new one
http://www.freep.com/article/20100119/NEWS07/100119073/1320/Police-8-killed-in-Virgina-shooting
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/01/20/virginia.shootings/index.html?hpt=T2
Not sure what constitutes a mass shooting, but I think this deserved attention.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35404881/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?GT1=43001
For some reason, I could never trust women who were Harvard educated professors of neurobiology. I always just thought it was my issue, but now I understand.
you never promise crazy a baby
nope, you just give 'em one or two whether they like it or not
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 15, 2010, 09:30:17 PM
Not sure what constitutes a mass shooting, but I think this deserved attention.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35404881/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?GT1=43001
For some reason, I could never trust women who were Harvard educated professors of neurobiology. I always just thought it was my issue, but now I understand.
Another far left lunie-tune gunman...if only the victims were allowed to carry :evil
:-D
Orrrrrrrrrrr if only there were stricter gun laws that limited the distribution of them so easily, especially to someone who has killed someone with a gun in the past....accident or not.
sticter gun laws wouldn't realistically accomplish anything anytime soon. there's already so many guns, legal and illegal that are on the streets right now that you could literally cease all gun manufacturing today and 50 years from now someone will still find a way to get hold of one and shoot up their office if they so desire.
not to mention the fact that less guns does not equal less crime/murder. you take away my gun and i'll just start stabbing people or i'll learn how to make a bomb on the internet or i'll make my own gun. point is, if any single person feels like killing another person/group of people then they are going to do it regardless of what type of weapon they have available.
I'd love to see people try to make guns. There aren't enough stories of people in the emergency room getting treated for exploded faces and hands.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 16, 2010, 06:11:09 PM
sticter gun laws wouldn't realistically accomplish anything anytime soon. there's already so many guns, legal and illegal that are on the streets right now that you could literally cease all gun manufacturing today and 50 years from now someone will still find a way to get hold of one and shoot up their office if they so desire.
not to mention the fact that less guns does not equal less crime/murder. you take away my gun and i'll just start stabbing people or i'll learn how to make a bomb on the internet or i'll make my own gun. point is, if any single person feels like killing another person/group of people then they are going to do it regardless of what type of weapon they have available.
I was more or less just being devils advocate to 61's semi-sarcastic post.
3 miles from Columbine (http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=133326&catid=339&hpt=T2)
http://cbs11tv.com/local/Dallas.Office.Shooting.2.1545294.html?hpt=T2
farging Hoydas...why can't they just turn their guns on themselves.
There are a lot of weak minded in the world. A LOT.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2010, 02:20:05 PM
http://cbs11tv.com/local/Dallas.Office.Shooting.2.1545294.html?hpt=T2
Three people hardly counts as a 'mass shooting'. This is barely even news.
More idiots shooting up places
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/12/police-six-killed-in-workplace-shooting/?hpt=T1
White people
dont see women doing that to often
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 12, 2010, 03:04:08 PM
dont see women doing that to often
QuoteCNN mistakenly reported earlier that the shooter was believed to be a woman.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 12, 2010, 03:08:23 PMQuoteCNN mistakenly reported earlier that the shooter was believed to be a woman. It was a homosexual.
So I guess we're immune to mass shootings now, eh?
QuoteMANCHESTER, Conn. – A warehouse driver who was caught on videotape stealing beer from the distributorship where he worked went on a shooting rampage there Tuesday, killing eight people before committing suicide, authorities said.
At least two people were wounded, one critically, Manchester police said. They were expected to survive.
The gunman, identified by a company executive as Omar Thornton, had complained of racial harassment and said he found a picture of a noose and a racial epithet written on a bathroom wall, the mother of his girlfriend said. Her daughter told her that Thornton's supervisors had not responded to his complaints, but a union official said Thornton had not filed a complaint of racism to the union or any government agency.
Thornton had been caught on videotape stealing beer from Hartford Distributors and was supposed to meet with company officials when the shootings began, Teamsters official Christopher Roos said.
"It's got nothing to do with race," Roos said. "This is a disgruntled employee who shot a bunch of people."
my first lay was a girl from Manchester
did she kill herself too?
Wouldn't you?
yes. but your all coming with me.
Quote from: LBIggle on August 03, 2010, 11:37:34 PM
did she kill herself too?
her cop father had killed himself
I swooped in for the kill in her time of need
Not sure what this will lead to but:
QuoteBREAKING -- Virginia Tech warns: Person with a gun reported on campus."
Quote
Virginia Tech alert: "Person with gun reported near Dietrick. Stay inside. Secure doors. Emergency personnel responding. Call 911 for help."
QuoteWSLS-TV reports that Virginia Tech campus siren system has been activated.
QuoteOnly reports that a gunman has been spotted on campus, but no reports at this point that shots have been fired.
To recap, three 14-year old girls at Virginia Tech saw a man with something covered up that they thought could possibly be a gun.
This was the top national news story around 11am today.
Six people are dead and three are in critical condition after a shooting at at a salon in Seal Beach, California.
Disgruntled, spoiled teenage girls who got bad hair do's for homecoming?
Finally! Something to take the heat off spoiled teenage boys.
supposedly was a domestic dispute with one of the stylists.....must have wiped out the whole gossipy circle in one swoop
dooks also wore body armor just in case hair dryers doubled as uzi's
VTech gettin all shot up again.
I blame Vick
and CNN is reporitng on a farging building fire in St Louis
112 seconds ago
Subject headed toward Christiansburg in burgundy mitsubishi kmp-1811 #vt #hokies
GRAPEVINE, Texas — Investigators in suburban Fort Worth are trying to piece together the history of a family targeted in a Christmas Day shooting that police believe was carried out by a relative dressed in a Santa Claus suit.
The names of the seven people found dead inside the Grapevine apartment, including the alleged gunman, were expected to be released Tuesday, police said.
Grapevine police spokesman Sgt. Robert Eberling said the shooter showed up in the costume shortly before gunfire erupted, and the family appeared to have been opening Christmas presents. Police responding to a 911 call found four females and three males dead. They also found two handguns.
"We think he was just inside there celebrating Christmas with the rest of them and decided for whatever reason that's how he's going to end things," Eberling told The Associated Press.
one of the girls shot in CO last night was basically in the middle of that food court shooting in Toronto last month.
her last blog post: http://jessicaredfield.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/late-night-thoughts-on-the-eaton-center-shooting/
what zesty luck.
edit: deadspin article: http://deadspin.com/5927673/aspiring-sportscaster-killed-in-shooting-at-colorado-movie-theater
Final Destination was based in truth?
Quote from: phattymatty on July 20, 2012, 11:18:20 AM
one of the girls shot in CO last night was basically in the middle of that food court shooting in Toronto last month.
her last blog post: http://jessicaredfield.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/late-night-thoughts-on-the-eaton-center-shooting/
what zesty luck.
edit: deadspin article: http://deadspin.com/5927673/aspiring-sportscaster-killed-in-shooting-at-colorado-movie-theater
Her last few tweets are creepy.
QuoteTanner Coon, who was in the theater with a friend and the friend's 12-year-old brother when the shooter came in, said he told them to "get down" when he heard the gunshots.
The shooter fired off about 20 rounds and there was then a pause and a "period of quietness when everybody started running out," Coon said.
"I slipped on some blood and landed on a lady. I shook her and said, 'We need to go.' There was no response, so I presume she was dead," Coon said.
Sad, sad series of events for that Coon.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/president-obama-issues-proclamation-orders-flags-half-mast
Just a horrible event. Son and I were watching the initial reports come across the news last night. Unreal.
Just saw the chick that took her 4 month old son to the movie in Aurora! Genius.
Hooray for guns
http://www.barstoolsports.com/philly/super-page/somebody-at-celeb-boutique-better-have-gotten-their-ass-canned/
What an out-of-touch bull shtein company...
Did they really think their crap Kim Kardashian line was trending?
my balls are trending on your mom's chin
The victims were weak. If they were armed and in full body armor like they should have been no one would have died.
- Sarah Palin
ha, that's great
i don't often give praise to the piggies but this aurora police chief is really impressive. his public demeanor is badass.
one of the "best" and most chilling reads i have ever experienced
http://www.gq.com/news-politics/newsmakers/201208/anders-behring-breivik-norway-massacre-story
someone just put this on their facebook. literally makes me sick that people are this stupid.
QuoteSo I just read that the cinemark theater in Colorado, yes where the shootings happened, has a policy to not allow concealed weapons in there theater! So because those idiots put an 8x11 sheet of paper in there window saying no fire arms allowed no one in the audience had the ability to fight back! I hope to hell that everyone of those victims who has a concealed carry permit sues the pants off that company!! Wise up everyone! Gun control kills people! Unfortunately if a business displays an 8x11 sign stating no firearms on every entrance it is illegal for a civilian to carry a weapon into that establishment. And as we see in Colorado it's only the responsible gun owners that actually listen to the laws!!
So, I guess the 9/11 victims should sue the airlines because the passengers on the planes weren't armed to defend themselves during the hijacking.
Also, is this someone you know or just a random message being passed around?
It's someone I knew in HS but I don't know if he wrote it or is sharing it.
However, I think as a sign of my growing maturity, instead of starting a stupid flame war on the internet, I simply unfriended him and will go about my day.
That was probably the best decision. I know if I want to be involved in a flame war, I log into :CF.
Same thing with the person who posted this:
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s480x480/396822_10150974364052869_441864288_n.jpg)
I'm an ardent supporter of free speech, but can't say the same for open bigotry.
yeah, that shtein is ridiculous too
Turns out a lot of people are ignorant, argumentative and unreasonable. Who knew?
Usually, a firm opinion one way or the other on a divisive issue is a sign of blinders.
For instance, these people are nuts:
QuoteThe American Humane Association monitored the filming of scenes involving Brooks' crow. During the scene where he fed it a maggot, the AHA objected on the grounds that it was cruel to the maggot, and required that they use a maggot that had died from natural causes. One was found, and the scene was filmed.
Why would the AHA care about maggots? farging idiot Jainists.
Quote from: Tomahawk on July 30, 2012, 12:42:01 PM
Same thing with the person who posted this:
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s480x480/396822_10150974364052869_441864288_n.jpg)
I'm an ardent supporter of free speech, but can't say the same for open bigotry.
There's 2 things I don't get.
1. What's the relevance of 8-1-12? Is there going to be some sort of rally to support Chick-fil-A?
2. What does that have to do with mass shootings?
It was in response to SunMo's post about not starting flamewars on facebook.
Quote from: SunMo on July 30, 2012, 12:16:54 PM
It's someone I knew in HS but I don't know if he wrote it or is sharing it.
However, I think as a sign of my growing maturity, instead of starting a stupid flame war on the internet, I simply unfriended him and will go about my day.
or you could just shoot him
...at a theater nearest you?
Too soon?
some guy in baltimore who has a tricked out lamborgini that looks like the batmobile and dresses up as batman to entertain kids with cancer has been told by baltimore area hospitals that he needs to stop doing it
This crap makes me sick. After a terrible thing like this happens, the radicals on both sides want to jump on it to promote their own political agendas. The left says that we need more stringent guns laws to prevent this kind of thing from happening, when in reality, if the nut that did it didn't have a gun, he'd have used a pipe bomb or one of the many other devises found in his home. The right says we need to arm everyone to prevent this kind of thing from happening, when in reality if you arm everyone it will lead to us going back to the wild wild west. Cops and paramedics wouldn't be able to keep up on the weekends. Not to mention how in home accidents would probably go through the roof. People are stupid and most shouldn't have guns in their homes, I don't care what the constitution says. When 'the right to bear arms' was put into the constitution, it was to protect people from foreign enemies, not your friggen' neighbor.
(http://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/v1/compositions/1282904/views/1,width=178,height=178,interlace=true/right-to-bear-arms_design.png)
I think it was put into the constitution to protect people from our own government moreso than foreign enemies. It didn't work.
Quote from: shorebird on July 31, 2012, 07:50:31 AM
This crap makes me sick. After a terrible thing like this happens, the radicals on both sides want to jump on it to promote their own political agendas. The left says that we need more stringent guns laws to prevent this kind of thing from happening, when in reality, if the nut that did it didn't have a gun, he'd have used a pipe bomb or one of the many other devises found in his home.
he
might have made a pipe bomb that he
might have successfully set off that
might have injured and killed the same amount of people...certainly possible but all speculative
what isnt speculative is that large ammo clips along with automatic and semi automatic guns kill mass quantities of humans and really arent useful for much else...i have to imagine many guns rights advocates are even against these kinds of weapons being on the street
and its just insanity that they are sold at bass prop shops
I thought fully automatic weapons were pretty much illegal everywhere
Arguing need vs want is pointless. I agree that no one "needs" an Uzi, but we also don't need tobacco, booze, cable tv, McDonalds, soda or roughly 98% of consumer products on the market, but we have them anyway.
Quote from: Tomahawk on July 31, 2012, 10:59:57 AM
I thought fully automatic weapons were pretty much illegal everywhere
they are supposed to be highly regulated but to my knowledge they are not illegal...someone else who knows way more about gun laws than i can correct me if im wrong...but i beleive even machine guns are legal to own
Even if they are illegal, it takes little effort to convert them them fully auto.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 31, 2012, 11:03:04 AM
Arguing need vs want is pointless. I agree that no one "needs" an Uzi, but we also don't need tobacco, booze, cable tv, McDonalds, soda or roughly 98% of consumer products on the market, but we have them anyway.
pretty sure mass murder by semi automatic gunfire is a little different than watching mad men while eating a big mac
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 31, 2012, 11:04:22 AM
Quote from: Tomahawk on July 31, 2012, 10:59:57 AM
I thought fully automatic weapons were pretty much illegal everywhere
they are supposed to be highly regulated but to my knowledge they are not illegal...someone else who knows way more about gun laws than i can correct me if im wrong...but i beleive even machine guns are legal to own
They are illegal unless you have a Class III license which runs about 12k a year or something wild. Usually its just the rich or shop owners who rent them out at rangest.
Breaking...Multiple people shot at a Sikh temple in Milwaukee.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 05, 2012, 12:47:37 PM
Breaking...Multiple people shot at a Sikh temple in Milwaukee.
if this was a white right winger or a muslim of a different demonination, the news is going to be unbearable for weeks.
Make that "more unbearable"
The description of the shooter is big, bald white dude.
Ah nevermind, I thought that said Shia on my phone. I have no idea what the hell religion Sikh is. Though that sounds like a denomination of Islam too.
It isn't. And it seems that this is still ongoing, and has turned into a hostage situation with multiple gunmen.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map
Sikhs aren't Muslim but ignorant honkies see headgear and work themselves into an anti-terrorism lather. People are the worst.
people make me sikh.
I think you meant to type puns. Stupid auto correct.
People make me puns.
People make puns Sikh. Idiots.
History of hate crimes against Sikhs since 9/11. (http://www.buzzfeed.com/summeranne/a-tragic-history-of-hate-crimes-against-sikhs-in-t)
Quote from: General_Failure on August 05, 2012, 07:49:27 PM
History of hate crimes against Sikhs since 9/11. (http://www.buzzfeed.com/summeranne/a-tragic-history-of-hate-crimes-against-sikhs-in-t)
That just made me really upset and I wish I hadn't clicked on the link. Butthole.
farging white people.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 05, 2012, 07:49:27 PMHistory of hate crimes against Sikhs since 9/11. (http://www.buzzfeed.com/summeranne/a-tragic-history-of-hate-crimes-against-sikhs-in-t)
How many people who read this sort of posting actually learn something from it? I mean, it's just a circlejerk, isn't it?
Hawk's homeboys aren't taking this in. To them, he's the liberal. It's hard to see the litany of crimes laid out in black and white, but seriously...no one who reads it has anything to do with the people who perpetrate, condone, and celebrate it. We are so divorced from each other that I find these kinds of articles useless.
We've got to find a way to reach the people who target Sikhs--and blog postings farging ain't the way--or we have to just snuff them out.
I'm increasingly willing to endorse the latter proposition.
Ex-girlfriend of Wisconsin gunman arrested on weapon charge (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/08/us-usa-wisconsin-shooting-cook-idUSBRE87705420120808)
QuoteFederal authorities said they were treating the attack as a possible act of domestic terrorism. Page was involved in white supremacist groups and was a member of skinhead rock bands.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 05, 2012, 11:15:10 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on August 05, 2012, 07:49:27 PMHistory of hate crimes against Sikhs since 9/11. (http://www.buzzfeed.com/summeranne/a-tragic-history-of-hate-crimes-against-sikhs-in-t)
How many people who read this sort of posting actually learn something from it? I mean, it's just a circlejerk, isn't it?
Sometimes news is okay just being news and not educational. I would say that I'd prefer if people saw more of this kind of news, but I'd rather it weren't news in the first place. If the choice is between something like this an "A Terrorist Fist Jab" then I think I'd prefer if more people saw this kind of news.
My point is, if a million people read this, maybe five of them came over from Fox News, and they didn't bother to finish the article. It's preaching to the converted.
And my point is it isn't preaching, just news like news should be.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 08, 2012, 06:46:21 AM
My point is, if a million people read this, maybe five of them came over from Fox News, and they didn't bother to finish the article. It's preaching to the converted.
Pretty much. The only people who read it and agree with it are people who agreed with it before it was even written. Stories like that aren't converting anyone or changing people's minds. They're just giving people something to post on their facebook to share with friends who think exactly like they do.
Latest locale: Texas A&M University. Many people shot, still being sorted out.
All the ex-Aggies here in my office are trippin out
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 13, 2012, 02:24:04 PM
Latest locale: Texas A&M University. Many people shot, still being sorted out.
Well, nobody can use the "if they were armed" excuse this time.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 13, 2012, 02:35:49 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 13, 2012, 02:24:04 PM
Latest locale: Texas A&M University. Many people shot, still being sorted out.
Well, nobody can use the "if they were armed" excuse this time.
That was my first thought too.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 13, 2012, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on August 13, 2012, 02:35:49 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 13, 2012, 02:24:04 PM
Latest locale: Texas A&M University. Many people shot, still being sorted out.
Well, nobody can use the "if they were armed" excuse this time.
That was my first thought too.
Some of those shot were armed officers, and yeah, might have been a few others armed in the area.
Why Oak Creek Isn't Being Treated as a Tragedy for All Americans (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/08/an-american-tragedy.html#ixzz23V2gPp6E)
QuoteThe media has treated the shootings in Oak Creek very differently from those that happened just two weeks earlier in Aurora. Only one network sent an anchor to report live from Oak Creek, and none of the networks gave the murders in Wisconsin the kind of extensive coverage that the Colorado shootings received.
Five people shot in front of the Empire State Building according to cnn.
QuoteA dispute between coworkers exploded into gunfire outside the Empire State Building this morning — with the guman killing an innocent bystander before he was fatally shot by police, sources said.
There were a total of 10 people struck — and the 9 a.m. shooting sent panicked pedestrians scrambling from the jam-packed intersection of 34th Street and Fifth Avenue.
"This is the last thing you are expecting to see walking to work – someone shot dead in broad daylight in Midtown," said Sid Dinsay, 38, who works in a PR firm on Fifth Avenue.
"I am shocked – something like this is enough to rattle your nerves. My nerves are rattled right now."
It's unclear what sparked the deadly argument, which happened in the heart of the morning rush on a street loaded with commuters and tourists.
The two men fought right on the sidewalk before one suddenly drew his weapon and opened fire.
My buddy was there earlier today - enjoy..
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Sounds like a mob hit.
Shotguns should be banned, according to CNN they didn't that you could fire so many rounds.
picture doesn't work dh
dammit...its a good pic, and it works for me. maybe because i pulled it from my gchat
save it to your computer, host it on photobucket, post it
Dude have .45, not a shotty. Disgruntled worker offing his boss.
Quote from: SunMo on August 24, 2012, 11:25:01 AM
save it to your computer, host it on photobucket, post it
at that point it better be on some bud dwyer shtein
(http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s446/eaglesfan5454/66a6805a.jpg)
not bad
Nice work Parker. But did you get any of the Spider Man? Get back out there and bring me back the Spider Man!
holy shtein...all that blood...that's just tragic.
Damn - he should sell that shtein to TMZ
So, if it was less blood, it wouldn't be tragic?
Not for the cleaning crew.
i don't think that's blood, i think that one of the EMTs was drinking a cherry slushie and dropped it when he saw that guy sleeping
I think it's Eli Manning.
another win for guns
they extend their record to 329539258930425893258934589438534985349859043895-0. unbelievable winning streak for guns. cant beat these guys.
Its not the guns, stupid. They're inanimate objects and quite frankly everyone should be armed.
if guns were allowed in the empire state building this would have never happened
I walk around with a veritable gun show.
youre right, there would be no empire state building because everyone would be dead
i know barry cant do anything until after he gets elected but god damnit he needs to be a killer liberal and do something about this. remember in 08 when repub propaganda tried to scare the base into thinking he was coming for their guns? well, farging do it.
i actually wouldnt want him to...because it would only serve to empower the nutso right and allow them to say i told you he was coming for our guns
guns is like my least important issue because i know nothing real will ever be done about them...theres no point in even getting upset about it...i just get annoyed at the dumb asses that defend the amount of guns there are in the country and defend some of the kinds of guns people have...
they can have as many and whatever kinds of guns they want with virtually no limtations...yet they still wanna bitch
just shut the farg up and go back into your woods
hes playing with house money though
hes not trying to get elected, hes not running for anything. he can do whatever.
and no signing strict anti gun legislation isnt going to eliminate gun violence but it could stop nut jobs like james holmes for buying semi autos and blowing up a move theater.
i get what you are saying but the last thing any democrat should do is alienate the party brand to ALL gun owners...gun owners arent a monolithic voting bloc like conservative christians who would never ever vote for a pro choice candidate...lots of gun owners do and would consider voting democrat...specifically the reagan type democrats in the rust belt who are so key to every election...going balls deep into gun owners would be political suicide
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 24, 2012, 02:17:44 PM
I walk around with a veritable gun show.
Tell us more about your sleeveless shirt collection.
Quote from: MDS on August 24, 2012, 02:31:11 PM
signing strict anti gun legislation isnt going to eliminate gun violence but it could stop nut jobs like james holmes for buying semi autos and blowing up a move theater.
Right. Because obviously people who want to commit gun crimes won't do it if they can't purchase their guns legally.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 24, 2012, 02:44:04 PM
i get what you are saying but the last thing any democrat should do is alienate the party brand to ALL gun owners...gun owners arent a monolithic voting bloc like conservative christians who would never ever vote for a pro choice candidate...lots of gun owners do and would consider voting democrat...specifically the reagan type democrats in the rust belt who are so key to every election...going balls deep into gun owners would be political suicide
Clinton's assault weapon ban is what gave rise to Bush's power. As you said, its political suicide no matter what party goes that route.
And i'll reiterate, Straw purchases should have been banned in the early 90's, how its going on now is just mind boggling. The mental stability part of a handgun purchase could certainly use tuning up, I'm just not sure how you'd go about doing a more thorough exam. Right now its basically a check here system if you're crazy. Bringing in a psychologist to review each applicant would be the best bet.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 24, 2012, 03:48:22 PM
Quote from: MDS on August 24, 2012, 02:31:11 PM
signing strict anti gun legislation isnt going to eliminate gun violence but it could stop nut jobs like james holmes for buying semi autos and blowing up a move theater.
Right. Because obviously people who want to commit gun crimes won't do it if they can't purchase their guns legally.
I'm not sure the actually %'s but if i took an IGY like stab i'd say 90% of inner city related gun violence is from unregistered, illegally obtained weapons. But why bring that up when its just another shooting in a bad neighborhood. The sexy news story is whackjobs.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 24, 2012, 03:52:45 PM
I'm not sure the actually %'s but if i took an IGY like stab i'd say 90% of inner city related gun violence is from unregistered, illegally obtained weapons. But why bring that up when its just another shooting in a bad neighborhood. The sexy news story is whackjobs.
Meanwhile, in Chicago... (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/08/24/Eight-hurt-in-Chicago-drive-by-shooting/UPI-72021345809426/?spt=hs&or=tn)
One thing that I've been impressed by with all of these recent shootings: cops.
I bear no love for them generally. When I've met them socially, I tend to find other people to talk to. I see them as the enemy in a way, and I'm afraid of them.
That said, the cops who respond to these things are some ballsy fargers. In Michigan, the cop who went in first found a victim and started to render aid, only to be ambushed by the nazi shooter, who was in turn then shot by the second cop who entered the temple. They get training and all that, but still...they're people. When everyone else is running out, these people are running in and I am very glad they do.
4:13 PM EST: The Guardian is now reporting that all nine civilians injured in today's shootout were shot accidentally by police. Johnson never actually fired on the officers; he just aimed his gun at them. (http://gawker.com/5937573/breaking-reports-of-mass-shooting-near-empire-state-building)
So ballsy. So brave.
LMAO.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 24, 2012, 06:40:16 PM
One thing that I've been impressed by with all of these recent shootings: cops.
I bear no love for them generally. When I've met them socially, I tend to find other people to talk to. I see them as the enemy in a way, and I'm afraid of them.
That said, the cops who respond to these things are some ballsy fargers. In Michigan, the cop who went in first found a victim and started to render aid, only to be ambushed by the nazi shooter, who was in turn then shot by the second cop who entered the temple. They get training and all that, but still...they're people. When everyone else is running out, these people are running in and I am very glad they do.
bahahah
There's apparently been a shooting at a high school today..
It has to be a white shooter in middle america for it to matter.
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/21/shooting-reported-at-wisconsin-spa/?hpt=hp_t1
another huge win for guns. man they keep getting it done week in and week out.
It is very hard to kill seven people with a knife.
Gunmen opens fire outside a mall in Oregon, 3 dead:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/11/us/oregon-mall-shooting/?hpt=hp_t1
I'm sorry, I was reading about all the mass stabbing deaths, didn't notice this trend. Have you folks been reading about the drive-by stabbing epidemic in LA? They're using shurikens.
drive by stabbings, mass poisonings and those blunt force trauma beatings - all srs probs!
Look - I am all for gun ownership. I believe we should be allowed to possess handgun, shotguns and rifles. But this is getting, or has been for a long time, out of control.
I liked your previous thoughts, Dio, on leveling harsh sentences immediately when a crime is committed while in possession or if you're a scumbag who does straw purchases for people.
The NRA and the gun industry are ridiculous. I have always thought that if any politician or group of 'em led a significant uprising that got close to strict control laws they would be killed or framed for a crime and locked up.
anyone see stewart take apart fox news the other day over gun talk?
A Connecticut school shooting today...like 20 kids and a coupl adults shot.
Jesus Christ this is getting old.
Cut the nra saying if the kids were packing in school they could have shot back!
up to 27 dead, including at least a dozen kids, the principal and the school psychologist
http://www.courant.com/news/breaking/hc-police-responding-to-incident-in-newtown-20121214,0,3969911.story
christ almighty
Yeah, I'm losing patience with people who say "now is not the time to talk about gun control."
When was the last time someone stabbed 25+ people to death at a farging elementary school?
god bless the first responders who have to be at the scene...seeing something like that would scar me for life.
I'm pro gun ownership but days like today leave me soul sick.
Maybe there is no alternative but a 100% ban.
Don't know. I feel so bad for those families. Ugh...
Quote from: Diomedes on December 14, 2012, 02:08:48 PM
Yeah, I'm losing patience with people who say "now is not the time to talk about gun control."
When was the last time someone stabbed 25+ people to death at a farging elementary school?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre comes close in 2001, but too many of the kids survived.
heres the SOB..
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s720x720/150996_10100120293003893_1030729465_n.jpg)
just unreal--some 20 kids dead, 10 adults. I'm sure this dude's weird facebook/twitter rants and suicidal thoughts journal will pop up tomorrow
https://twitter.com/Bitch_Lanza (https://twitter.com/Bitch_Lanza)
His last tweet 7 hours ago "it's gameday fellas"
http://inagist.com/all/279670500018487300/
Wow...so if that is really him posting to his FB account and the news people got it wrong (not sure about which networkswere showing it but I know FOX was because thats the channel my mother had on)...then they farged up pretty big. Or the alternative is someone hacked his FB account and is making it seem like it isnt him but it really is.
The dude walked into the office and started shooting while the morning announcements were going on...and people heard it
Is anyone else impressed by phreak's reporting skills?
Obama sheddding tears talking about it. Can't blame him.
Once you start talking about dead little children and you can't help but to feel emotion as a father.
It's real simple: we Americans like our guns so much that we're willing to tolerate these incidents every few weeks.
Horrific.
its now unclear if the shooter was adam or ryan lanza.
gotta love the news media just throwing shtein out there.
also, guns are terrific.
Quote from: MDS on December 14, 2012, 04:02:37 PM
its now unclear if the shooter was adam or ryan lanza.
gotta love the news media just throwing shtein out there.
also, guns are terrific.
Yeah NYP is saying Adam, 20...Ryan, 24 is the brother.
The mother and father were shot to death as well.
Obama's speech was tough - he broke down. He needs to corral these pols and get something done
guns arent the problem....bored white people with nothing better to do are the problem....god they love their mass shootings......cowards
take em all mix em up in a blender and feed them to the homeless
a neighbor called the boys "disturbed." so obviously this was quite the home situation.
we cant have a gun debate in this country because of the far right but i cant wait to find out how easy it was for this lunatic to get his hands on some guns. thats the farging issue but it cant be discussed but cletus and maude need to protect themselves and shoot deer
QuoteFirst grade teacher Kaitlin Roig, 29, locked her 14 students in a classroom bathroom and listened to "tons of shooting" until police came to help.
"It was horrific," Roig said. "I thought we were going to die."
She said that the terrified kids were saying, "I just want Christmas...I don't want to die. I just want to have Christmas."
Quote from: MDS on December 14, 2012, 04:12:52 PMwe cant have a gun debate in this country because of the far right
Wrong. We can't have a debate, much less better control over guns, because what passes for the left in this country loves their guns almost as much as the whacko right.
Americans love guns more than children.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2012, 04:13:27 PM
QuoteFirst grade teacher Kaitlin Roig, 29, locked her 14 students in a classroom bathroom and listened to "tons of shooting" until police came to help.
"It was horrific," Roig said. "I thought we were going to die."
She said that the terrified kids were saying, "I just want Christmas...I don't want to die. I just want to have Christmas."
My god that is sad
Quote from: Diomedes on December 14, 2012, 04:16:35 PM
Quote from: MDS on December 14, 2012, 04:12:52 PMwe cant have a gun debate in this country because of the far right
Wrong. We can't have a debate, much less better control over guns, because what passes for the left in this country loves their guns almost as much as the whacko right.
Americans love guns more than children.
americans are stupid and over react to anything. the right has turned gun control into gun ban like they turned pro choice into pro death.
very few are for a gun ban. i am not. i am just for unbelievably strict rules for obtaining a gun...significant background checks, home visits, interviews with co workers and friends, up the funhole taxation, etc. you want a gun you better be willing to pay for it.
of course there will still be a black market for them but many do not know how to traverse that and it could limit crimes
riffing on MDS
yes
strict rules for obtaining a gun, to include demostration of ability to use one safely, with regular practical tests as part of license renewal
significant background checks, home visits, interviews with co workers and friends
long long term prison time for breaking gun laws, as I've harped on about before
outright ban on assault rifes, machine guns, etc.
no
up the funhole taxation, etc. you want a gun you better be willing to pay for it.
Poor people can't be kept out of the club on account of prohibitive taxation.
decent point
maybe a slight tax increase on the consumer and a large one on the retailer. casino owners are charged damn near 50 percent on winnings. they pay it. they make money.
gun shop owners can do the same.
damn straight.
One huge problem is what to do about people with criminal records. Vast numbers of them should be eligible to be considered, but that point is far too nuanced for most people.
how dare you guys discuss gun laws during the 48 hr grieving period
In 80% of mass shootings since 1970, the guns were obtained legally.
Ugh. Really sucky turning on the TV and seeing this after spending my day with classrooms full of little children.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 14, 2012, 04:44:55 PM
damn straight.
One huge problem is what to do about people with criminal records. Vast numbers of them should be eligible to be considered, but that point is far too nuanced for most people.
Those people can't even vote. Them owning guns isnt that important to me.
In a society that criminalizes a lot of the things that poor people do, I'm not down with making a criminal record an up or down vote on your worth to society generally.
A guy with violent crimes is different from a guy who had a DUI. You can't just keep them all out upon the advent of actual gun control.
Also, felons should be able to vote after they get out of jail.
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Jesus leave it to Fox news. Unreal.
BTW - the kid has his brothers ID on him. According to the NYP the brother said he hadn't seen the offending brother in two years and he had autism and aspergers
Not even a hint of irony either. Gotta love Fox.
Seriously, though... everyone is unbearable today. From the bleeding hearts to the crazies who insist that guns will never be pried from their cold, dead fingers.
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It's from twitter, so take it as you will...though apparently Twitter said cops had identified it as evidence. Story going around is a kid wrote it while the shootings were going on.
I'm just going to hope it's fake.
Quote from: Rome on December 14, 2012, 02:14:13 PM
I'm pro gun ownership but days like today leave me soul sick.
Maybe there is no alternative but a 100% ban.
Don't know. I feel so bad for those families. Ugh...
It seriously does make you at least question if you're standing on the wrong side of the argument. If something like this can happen and you still don't even let a shred of doubt enter your mind about whether or not gun laws should be dramatically changed, then you just don't have a soul or a conscience.
In the end, I'm still going to be pro-gun. But damn if shtein like this doesn't make me want to get rid of them completely.
Quote from: Munson on December 14, 2012, 05:32:54 PMI'm just going to hope it's fake.
If that's real it's private family business. I wish I hadn't seen it regardless.
I've had a lot of my more conservative friends use the old "if they didn't have a gun they'd find another way, they'd just use a knife! blah blah blah"....I started asking why, if those weapons like knives are just as deadly and effective as guns, can't people just defend themselves with those weapons instead of guns?
Not a lot of answers. Shocking.
It's true that he probably would have found another way, but a knife probably wouldn't be his weapon of choice since it's much harder to stab 25 people without intervention than it is just to shoot them. Maybe he builds a bomb and blows up half the school and takes out 150 people instead. But then they'd just argue that the gun saved 125 lives.
Of course, but building a bomb requires a lot more work and time that could up the chance that somebody intervenes (plus, let's be honest, in today's world if he's buying supplies to build a bomb, the FBI and CIA probably are at his front door before he gets to do anything)
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 14, 2012, 09:51:08 PM
It's true that he probably would have found another way, but a knife probably wouldn't be his weapon of choice since it's much harder to stab 25 people without intervention than it is just to shoot them. Maybe he builds a bomb and blows up half the school and takes out 150 people instead. But then they'd just argue that the gun saved 125 lives.
remember dook in china stabbed over twenty people at an elementary school last year??......he killed zero people
anyone that uses the strawman argument about how these people would just use a different weapon is not worth even responding to
If he's ordering his materials online and paying with a credit card, perhaps. But bomb making materials can be bought at Wal Mart and/or hardware stores and paid for in cash. Nails, ball bearings, pvc pipe, duct tape and gunpowder aren't really eyebrow raisers......unless you're dumb enough to buy them all at the same time.
The only real threat to red flagging yourself is if you have no clue how to assemble it and start searching online.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2012, 09:53:52 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 14, 2012, 09:51:08 PM
It's true that he probably would have found another way, but a knife probably wouldn't be his weapon of choice since it's much harder to stab 25 people without intervention than it is just to shoot them. Maybe he builds a bomb and blows up half the school and takes out 150 people instead. But then they'd just argue that the gun saved 125 lives.
remember dook in china stabbed over twenty people at an elementary school last year??......he killed zero people
anyone that uses the strawman argument about how these people would just use a different weapon is not worth even responding to
I don't remember that story, but I think that's because you just made it up.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 14, 2012, 09:58:53 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2012, 09:53:52 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 14, 2012, 09:51:08 PM
It's true that he probably would have found another way, but a knife probably wouldn't be his weapon of choice since it's much harder to stab 25 people without intervention than it is just to shoot them. Maybe he builds a bomb and blows up half the school and takes out 150 people instead. But then they'd just argue that the gun saved 125 lives.
remember dook in china stabbed over twenty people at an elementary school last year??......he killed zero people
anyone that uses the strawman argument about how these people would just use a different weapon is not worth even responding to
I don't remember that story, but I think that's because you just made it up.
It turns out that story literally just happened. http://blogs.voanews.com/breaking-news/2012/12/14/man-stabs-22-children-at-chinese-elementary-school/
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-04/29/content_9792007.htm
QuoteDespite the horror of what was happening around them and being locked in a small space, the teacher explained that she kept a positive face on for the sake of her young students.
"They asked, 'Can we go see if anyone is out there... I just want Christmas... I don't want to die, I just want to have Christmas," she said.
ugh
wow i was pretty unplugged today and out with friends so am just reading about this in the last half hour.
awful. it also seems to be the most annoying day in facebook history.
also not sure if chris hanson is the guy nbc should have working this story onsite.
Quote from: phattymatty on December 14, 2012, 10:20:50 PM
it also seems to be the most annoying day in facebook history.
holy shtein i cant even imagine
lemme guess anyone with a kid trying to gain attention by saying they can relate
same for anyone who is a teach or has a parent whos a teacher or who knows a teacher
its like a mini 9/11 with everyone trying to come up with ways to try no matter how tenuiously to connect themselves to the tradgedy and bring attention on themselves
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 14, 2012, 09:57:49 PM
If he's ordering his materials online and paying with a credit card, perhaps. But bomb making materials can be bought at Wal Mart and/or hardware stores and paid for in cash. Nails, ball bearings, pvc pipe, duct tape and gunpowder aren't really eyebrow raisers......unless you're dumb enough to buy them all at the same time.
The only real threat to red flagging yourself is if you have no clue how to assemble it and start searching online.
While they could make a bomb it usually takes planning and some know how. It's easier for a frustrated person to just grab a gun and start shooting. Otherwise you'd see more mass bombings than you would mass shootings.
i made bombs in middle school using the guts of model rocket engines, a $1 piece of copper tubing and a 4.5 volt battery. no one ever questioned us, of course that was over 20 years ago.
but once my parents saw one of these fargers explode and saw it was legit, they paid more attention to my hobbies.
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god i hate people
I know, right. It was just one measly interview.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2012, 10:06:34 PM
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-04/29/content_9792007.htm
Nope, still don't remember it. But in April 2010 I was in total work up mode for deployment and completely oblivious to the world so I'm not the least bit surprised I don't remember it.
the point is not that you remember it or not....but that its pretty much the same exact scenario cept one had a gun and one had a knife....gun killed 26 knife killed zero.....knife wins
Oh, I get that much. But I was curious how I never heard of that story before today....but now I know.
Also, you'd think that if someone stabbed 20+ people, he'd get lucky at least once and hit a vital organ. I mean, what's the probability of that not happening?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 14, 2012, 11:19:23 PM
Oh, I get that much. But I was curious how I never heard of that story before today....but now I know.
Also, you'd think that if someone stabbed 20+ people, he'd get lucky at least once and hit a vital organ. I mean, what's the probability of that not happening?
chinese factory workers are def more efficient than chinese mass murderers
a factory worker could have made four watches out of that knife
Quote from: Reggie White on December 14, 2012, 11:27:38 PM
a factory worker could have made four watches out of that knife
Agreed.
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Ahh. Now we've hit mass murder bingo.
im pretty sure no one in the world knows what that means...or maybe just me....either way seems like the ultimate nerd fight
How's it feel to be an old man?
people blaming shtein on video games. summary.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 15, 2012, 01:36:50 AM
How's it feel to be an old man?
if not knowing about some online four way video game...the plot of the matrix or applebees onions bites makes me old then i dont wanna be young....good lord you people are terrible
You farging love us bitch! :-*
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 15, 2012, 01:44:36 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on December 15, 2012, 01:36:50 AM
How's it feel to be an old man?
if not knowing about some online four way video game...the plot of the matrix or applebees onions bites makes me old then i dont wanna be young....good lord you people are terrible
applebees onion bites?
Applebees onions bites. Get it right, whippersnapper.
:-D
what are they called??
if i knew i was gonna get kent stated by a bunch of middle americans i would have googled the proper name
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 15, 2012, 02:11:16 AM
what are they called??
if i knew i was gonna get kent stated by a bunch of middle americans i would have Bing'd the proper name
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 15, 2012, 02:11:16 AM
what are they called??
if i knew i was gonna get kent stated by a bunch of middle americans i would have googled the proper name
i have no clue. just thought your reaction was amusing. it's good to know all it takes these days to be labeled MA is saying you're old, or, they're talking about video games. thin fuse these days
Like his thinning hair. Because he's old.
These last few pages have been outstanding, especially Matt's (least surprising ever) revelation that he built bombs as a kid.
Quote from: phattymatty on December 14, 2012, 10:20:50 PM
wow i was pretty unplugged today and out with friends so am just reading about this in the last half hour.
awful. it also seems to be the most annoying day in facebook history.
So True.
This is a story about Marisa Miller having a kid. Note the last paragraph...
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WWTDD, ladies & gents.
actually went to applebee's website and they have onion RINGS now...i thought their claim to fame was those little onion johnsons and all of MA adored them them
Gunmen opens fire in a hospital in Alabama, 3 injured, no one killed. Police killed the shooter:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/15/alabama-hospital-shooting-wounded-gunman-killed_n_2307505.html
i was actually supposed to be in birmingham for a meeting yesterday and it got postponed like a week ago. maybe cnn will call me.
i watched the news for like 15 minutes this morning and the only interviews i saw about the CT shootings were with columbine survivors and some teacher who has off on fridays and wasn't even there.
That's because everyone else was shot.
Medical examiner confirms that the main weapon used in the killing was the rifle
I'm amused in a cant look away at the car wreck way at the news coverage now. They're interviewing anyone they can get a hold of and bringing in experts to yap about dumb shtein
Too many news stations on the ground there.
Quote from: phattymatty on December 14, 2012, 10:20:50 PMawful. it also seems to be the most annoying day in facebook history.
QuoteThey'll say it's a problem with guns.
They'll say it's a problem with crime.
They'll say it's a problem with schools.
They'll say it's a problem with parenting.
They'll come up with so many people, things, organizations, rules, laws, and policies to blame for what happened today at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.
Personally, I believe there is only one to blame for this: the empty human heart. The one to blame is a life lived without meaning, without purpose, without moral absolutes... without a Savior.
I don't mean to offend, but my heart is breaking. We live in a world where it is more socially acceptable to ignore God or deny His existence rather than acknowledge Him, and then we are surprised when we see evil committed. Yes, evil. That's what people will call it, and that's exactly what it is. I doubt many would argue against that.
But how can we define evil if not by comparison to it's opposite: justice, holiness, and love – three major attributes of God? We readily and quickly recognize evil for what it is, so why do we not recognize God for who He is just as easily? Why would we *choose* to live a life where evil is prevalent and effects us every day (as it seems to do)? Why would we choose that, yet turn away from the One who offers love and justice, and wants to *save* us from evil? That seems backwards, doesn't it? We choose darkness and mistakenly see it as freedom, when in reality, freedom only comes through perfect truth, which can only come by a perfect being.
John 3:19 = "And the judgment is based on this fact: God's light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil."
The actions today were most certainly, evil. But you can choose The Light.
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If I believed in god, I'd blame it
What a crock of farging horseshtein.
i wonder what the crusades would say about that
Or any other religiously inspired path of lunacy.
Seriously, John Lennon had it right. Religion sucks.
nic kristoff kills it....
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/opinion/sunday/kristof-do-we-have-the-courage-to-stop-this.html?_r=0
just saw the list of dead.....the date of birth column is so sad....
05/06
Quote from: Rome on December 15, 2012, 05:15:58 PM
Or any other religiously inspired path of lunacy.
Seriously, John Lennon had it right. Religion sucks.
no one knows but my money is on most families of the dead being religious....but going to church isnt enough to stop your child from being killed....you have to actually pray IN school or you lose
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holy farg is that for real?
lol that's farging hilarious. dude should go be with god too.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 15, 2012, 05:57:47 PM
holy farg is that for real?
Dunno...I saw it on another MB....I am trying to find out if its a hoax.
When I searched dudes name in facebook the first page that pops up is deleted
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 15, 2012, 05:36:51 PMno one knows but my money is on most families of the dead being religious...
not so likely in that area.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 15, 2012, 06:10:16 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 15, 2012, 05:36:51 PMno one knows but my money is on most families of the dead being religious...
not so likely in that area.
disagree...it not alabama but its also not the village....i guarantee the majority of the people in newtown are church goin folk
they back....
http://www.examiner.com/article/connecticut-school-shooting-westboro-baptist-church-planning-to-picket
I grew up in Connecticut. It is not a highly religious place.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 15, 2012, 09:31:56 PM
I grew up in Connecticut. It is not a highly religious place.
many more people believe in god there than dont....but we are getting into semantics and completely missing my original point
No, we are not getting into semantics. New England is the least religious place in the country.
Just swallow being disagreed with and move on dickface.
be more wrong.....its what you do
Take him under your wing and show him how to really do it right.
he has a good heart but the execution is way off....not sure if he worthy of help
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 15, 2012, 05:31:03 PM
just saw the list of dead.....the date of birth column is so sad....
05/06
Damn. Being a parent I turned the shtein off when they started listing names and birth dates. Made me sick.
Quote from: Don Ho on December 15, 2012, 11:05:14 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 15, 2012, 05:31:03 PM
just saw the list of dead.....the date of birth column is so sad....
05/06
Damn. Being a parent I turned the shtein off when they started listing names and birth dates. Made me sick.
Couldn't read them. Tried, just couldn't. So damn young.
yeah it was rough to read that and know that some of them were shot 11 times. Jesus
In all this madness it was a breath of fresh air late yesterday afternoon while we were at the Pipeline Masters surf championship. Place was rocking and full of electricity with 25K+ people on the beach, 8-10 foot surf at one of the best venues in the sport and a world title on the line heading into the semifinals. Whenever Kelly Slater is in a contest the place is nuts. Word quickly spread through out the event as the day went on of the tragic events in Connecticut.
At the awards ceremony the chairnan of Billabong, the sponsor of the event acknowledged the victims and asked for a moment of silence. He really hit us all in the gut when he said "This is only a surf competition, people died today, children were murdered". Took every ounce of my inner strength to keep from tearing up.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 15, 2012, 06:04:21 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 15, 2012, 05:57:47 PM
holy farg is that for real?
Dunno...I saw it on another MB....I am trying to find out if its a hoax.
When I searched dudes name in facebook the first page that pops up is deleted
Oh man that dude can't be for real. What a piece of shtein.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 15, 2012, 11:11:42 PM
yeah it was rough to read that and know that some of them were shot 11 times. Jesus
and his funhole of mother, who should be getting a ton of blame that shes not, was the one who had guns in the house with this....thing. cant even call him a person cause he aint human
but maybe if the 6 year old was packing this never would have happened
jansport already said they are coming out with a back pack that has a gun holster
Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2012, 11:30:31 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 15, 2012, 11:11:42 PM
yeah it was rough to read that and know that some of them were shot 11 times. Jesus
and his funhole of mother, who should be getting a ton of blame that shes not, was the one who had guns in the house with this....thing. cant even call him a person cause he aint human
but maybe if the 6 year old was packing this never would have happened
Yeah a reportedly mentally disturbed kid with extreme social issues and on medication for such things...and she's armed to the teeth? With a goddamn assault rifle?
The pic of the dude creeps me out. If I saw his pic without knowing he massacred children for no reason I would be creeped.
What an unfathomable thing to do. I mean...what the hell makes someone to decide to go kill kids in school? How can someone put a farging child in their sights and pull the trigger...not just once but hundreds of times?
Something has to be done. I am for gun ownership but the methodology in which they're acquired needs to be hammered.
I have always thought the assault weapons, body armor, armor piercing and extreme ammunition needed to be regulated since the days when those two fellas decided to arm up and rob that bank in LA and then walk down the street with their car taking shot after shot from LAPD without being affected....until the coppers went into the local gun stores for stronger weaponry and ammo.
why would anyone be for gun ownership....i am 1 million % for the abolition of all guns....i dont fight for much less even think about it cause its just something that will never happen but why should any guns be legal
because its in the constitution, dumbass
DONT TAKE AWAY MY RIGHTS
I am in no way a gun nut and if the government came out tomorrow and said it was illegal to own one I wouldn't lose sleep.
However I do believe in having a handgun or shotgun in the house for protection if needed.
Apparently the mother was stockpiling weapons in case the economy collapsed and it became a wild west free for all.
WTF
guns are like abortion.....theres just no changing minds....unlike a lot of right wing issues i actually respect their arguments on guns and abortion...i dont agree with them but they have an argument at least even if i think its ludicrous
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 16, 2012, 12:15:36 AM
Apparently the mother was stockpiling weapons in case the economy collapsed and it became a wild west free for all.
WTF
wow....for real?
no wonder her son was a nutjob
yeah I am trying to find the link from CBSNews
But check this
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/victims_found_horrific_connecticut_jNTUicqZejDtIdc6G24mUJ/1
QuoteMeanwhile, it emerged today Lanza's mother — who was also killed in the spree — was a gun nut who took her troubled son to shooting ranges.
"She'd take them to the range a lot. ... Nancy was an enthusiast -- so much so that she wanted to pass it on to her kids," said her former landscaper, and occasional drinking buddy, Dan Holmes.
"She took her two sons to the gun ranges quite a bit to practice their aim. She was a really great shot from what she told me. Whenever I finished work and went inside to chit chat, she spoke often about her fascination with firearms. Nancy had an extensive gun collection and she was really quite proud of it."
QuoteNancy collected rifles, he said -- and smiled when she looked at one antique gun.
"I remember one time she brought a nice case out and when she opened it up, she pulled out this beautiful old rifle," he said. "I don't know a lot about guns, but to me it looked really beautiful and old. She was really proud of that one. It was a beautiful old hand crafted rifle with a wooden handle. She would just smile when she looked at it."
Cops have recovered "very good evidence" at Adam Lanza's house and hoped it would provide motive in the shocking killings.
Lanza busted his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School and killed 26 people -- most of which were children -- after killing his mom in their house.
"She would often talk about her son having social issues. She told me he was a brilliant kid and very book smart but that he was very awkward around people and wanted to be by himself," he said. "He was a very fearful kid."
Nancy took her son Ryan to New Orleans last year around the holidays, but Adam stayed behind. "Apparently he didn't like to travel," he said.
The doting mom was flirty at her local bar, but was guarded didn't date much "probably because of her autistic son," he said.
still dont understand how you aim and fire at six year olds
Slightly lower than adults, I'm assuming.
Firearm Legislation: Why We Have So Much Trouble Talking About It (http://twofoldsilence.diogenes-lamp.info/2012/07/firearm-legislation-why-we-have-so-much.html)
Written back in July, but still probably the only decently written thing on this subject I'll read.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 15, 2012, 09:35:41 PM
No, we are not getting into semantics. New England is the least religious place in the country.
seems like it....
http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2012/12/14/newtown_school_shooting_the_heartbreaking_scene_on_the_night_of_the_shooting.html
wait there's a church in town?
now i've seen it all.
lines out the door of every church in town....but new england is non religious
They have a church and a liquor store? No, something doesn't add up here.
i dont know if anyone has been following this over the last year or so but eric cantor has been holding up a violence against women act in congress because it gives rights to native american women....cantor basically is worried about constitutional protections for non native americans accused of abusing native american women...this is as repulsive as it gets....but its even worse that hes holding up the entire bill for this outrageous reason....basically hes for allowing non native american men to be able to get away with abusing native american women
he is as repugnant as it gets
Are you kidding? For the Cantors, Scott Walkers & Rick Scotts of the world, this is SOP. That's why the GOP should be tossed into the ash heap permanently.
true but this seems over the top even for them....in fact it has a lot of republican support....it would pass if a vote was taken...but cantor wont let it get out of committee
just unreal
btw i have no idea why i put that in this thread
must read and watch....
http://www.eclectablog.com/2012/12/how-much-would-you-pay-someone-to-take-a-bullet-for-your-child.html
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/connecticut-shooting-teacher-kaitlin-roig-protected-students-17978970
QuoteIt was about 9:40 a.m. Friday. In just minutes, Lanza — a withdrawn, emotionally detached 20-year-old who lived with his mother and is said to have played graphically violent computer video games — would kill 26 people in the country's second-largest mass killing. Dead were 20 children, four teachers, the school principal and a school psychologist. Earlier in the morning, Lanza shot and killed his mother, Nancy, perhaps the only person with whom he was socially engaged.
Lanza shot himself as police arrived, sirens wailing.
Late Saturday, an army of police detectives continued to interview members of Lanza's family and others who knew him, searching for answers to innumerable questions — chief among them what could have driven anyone to such violence.
Several sources in law enforcement and elsewhere provided what they said was the most current information on how the events leading to the school shootings unfolded.
On Friday morning, as Lanza turned left, toward the first-grade classrooms, Hochsprung and school psychologist Mary Scherlach, shocked by the sounds of gunfire and shattering glass, bolted into a corridor from a conference room across the hall from the classrooms.
He shot them both with the rifle.
The first classroom that Lanza reached was that of teacher Kaitlin Roig. Alarmed by the gunfire, she had hidden her students in a bathroom and closed her classroom door. For reasons that could not be explained Saturday, Lanza passed by Roig's classroom.
The classroom he chose to enter was substitute teacher Lauren Rousseau's, where he proceeded to systematically shoot everyone inside — the 14 children who investigators believe were huddled and clutching one another in fear, Rousseau and a special education teacher who happened to be in the room. Rousseau was filling in for the regular teacher, who was out on maternity leave. Rousseau had been teaching at the school for six weeks.
"There were 14 coats hanging there and 14 bodies. He killed them all," said a law enforcement officer involved in the case.
Lanza next arrived at teacher Victoria Soto's classroom. Soto is believed to have hidden her 6- and 7-year old students in a classroom closet. When Lanza demanded to know where the children were, Soto tried to divert him to the other end of the school by saying that her students were in the auditorium.
But six of Soto's students tried to flee. Lanza shot them, Soto and another teacher who was in the room. Later, in their search for survivors, police found the remaining seven of Soto's students still hiding in the closet. They told the police what had happened.
The two teacher's aides who were killed were Mary Anne Murphy and Rachel Davino. It was unclear which aide was in which room when they were killed.
The first officer to arrive at the school found Lanza's body near the door of Soto's classroom.
The intense violence lasted about 10 minutes. Lanza fired at least three, 30-round magazines with deadly accuracy. Two of the people he shot survived. All of the victims were shot multiple times.
"I did seven (autopsies) myself with three to 11 wounds apiece," Chief State Medical Examiner Dr. H. Wayne Carver III said Saturday. "Only two were shot at close range. I believe everybody was hit (by bullets) more than once."
Investigators believe that the violence began even earlier that morning in the 4,000-square-foot home on Yogananda Street where Lanza is believed to have lived with his mother. He hasn't spoken since 2010 to his brother, Ryan, or his father, Peter, who has a home in Stamford and another in New Jersey, the sources said.
Two law enforcement sources said the hard drive had been removed from Lanza's computer and broken in pieces. They said that forensic electronics experts at the FBI will examine the drive in an effort to determine with whom Lanza corresponded electronically and how he otherwise used the device.
One of the sources said that Lanza used the computer to play a violent video game in which life-like characters engage in graphic battle scenes.
Police investigators were still stunned Saturday by the scene they encountered at the school a day earlier, in particular by the seven surviving — but shocked — children hiding silently in the closet in Soto's classroom.
Officers found the children during the initial, rushed search of the building for survivors.
"Finally, they opened that door and there were seven sets of eyes looking at them," a law enforcement officer familiar with the events said Saturday. "She tried to save her class" he said of Victoria Soto.
She was shot not far from her desk, from which she had hung drawings on which her students had written captions such as, "I love my teacher Miss Soto."
Police heard what sounded like a child's moans from where the bodies of the children in Rousseau's classroom had collapsed together. Police had to move several bodies to reach an injured boy, who died en route to Danbury Hospital.
Mary Ann Jacob, a library clerk, had 18 fourth-graders with her in a classroom when the shooting started. They heard it over the school's intercom system.
"The intercom had opened up so we could hear some confusion in the office," Jacob said. "So I called the office because I thought it was a mistake and that they didn't realize the intercom was on. The secretary answered and she said there's shooting. So we yelled 'lockdown' in our room and then ran across the hall and yelled 'lockdown' in the classroom across."
"You could hear the shots. They sounded like popping noises, so we tried to minimize it with the kids," she said. "I don't think until we opened the door and there were 15 state cops with these gigantic guns and federal agents escorting the kids out that they really realized what was going on."
Art teacher Leslie Gunn said she was beginning a class on sculpturing clay with 23 fourth-graders when the shooting began. Her first thought was that the sounds of what turned out to be gunshots were a work crew making repairs to the school roof.
"It got really loud," Gunn said. "It was too loud. Something was bad."
Shaking, she dialed 911 frantically but was unable to get through to the police. Eventually she reached her husband.
"I told him I don't know what is going to happen to us."
A couple of the fourth-grade boys started to cry.
"I told the kids something is wrong and we are just going to have to stay here," Gunn said. "I said I love you. And you are all so brave.''
They remained in the room for about 15 minutes. They heard someone banging on the door to the classroom. When she realized that it was the police, she let them in and spoke to her students
"I told the kids [to] hold each other's hands and not let go," Gunn said.
https://twitter.com/WestWingReport/status/280496153856995329/photo/1
btw his speech was so good tonight
and it took charles krauthhammer less than ten minutes rip obama for giving a highly politicized speech
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 16, 2012, 09:36:24 PM
and it took charles krauthhammer less than ten minutes rip obama for giving a highly politicized speech
And in the meantime saying nothing about Huckabee's droning on about lack of God in our schools leads to this and how government's too worried about funding abortion pills and blah blah blah. THAT's what politicizing this event is. But Krauthammer is a scumbag who agrees with him so he won't say shtein about it.
The advocacy group Gun Owners of America know exactly how the Newtown massacre might have been averted: Guns in schools.
And in the hours after the tragedy, Larry Pratt, the group's executive director is calling on state and federal lawmakers to overturn any bans on guns in schools. More hauntingly, he is suggesting gun control advocates "have the blood of little children on their hands."
Here is his statement:
"Gun control supporters have the blood of little children on their hands. Federal and state laws combined to insure that no teacher, no administrator, no adult had a gun at the Newtown school where the children were murdered. This tragedy underscores the urgency of getting rid of gun bans in school zones. The only thing accomplished by gun free zones is to insure that mass murderers can slay more before they are finally confronted by someone with a gun."
The Gun Owners of America claim a national membership of 300,000 people.
ensure
i think we need to start society over
Fine. I'll represent the mexicans.
but seriously we have these endless debates about bla bla bla gun this abortion that whine whine whine and it all goes nowhere
how about this
1. florida falls into the atlantic ocean
2. jesusland MA forms their own country
3. ban all guns
somehow this tragedy went from "that poor community, families, children..." to a self-serving opportunity for teachers to spout off about what they do for our children and whatever are they going to do and say on Monday.
farging jerkoffs.
its a tough question to answer if its brought up in class. im kind of glad i didnt take an elementary sub job today because if a little 5 or 6 year old asked me if they were safe or asked why it happeed or etc, id just feel upaet they even have that on their minds that young
its tough for anybody, it's a terrible situation.
National Rifle Association Hides Facebook Page To Avoid Hosting Flame Wars (http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/16/nra-facebook-page-down/)
farg it all to hell (http://www.theonion.com/articles/farg-everything-nation-reports,30743/?ref=auto)
http://store.theonion.com/p-5045-cheat-to-win-bracelet.aspx
I just noticed these from the onion store. I'll be buying one.
I just saw that it's a 5-pack for $10.00.
I'll get the 5-pack if anyone else wants one. The first 4 people to request one will get one from me free. Actually, it will cost me postage. But it's for a good cause.
Let me know.
Can anyone explain how a Mass Ban of guns would work? I don't see where the government has the funds available to fund a program.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on December 17, 2012, 04:09:09 PM
Can anyone explain how a Mass Ban of guns would work? I don't see where the government has the funds available to fund a program.
I don't think it would...there's too many of htem
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on December 17, 2012, 04:09:09 PM
Can anyone explain how a Mass Ban of guns would work? I don't see where the government has the funds available to fund a program.
Perhaps they front the cash for the buy-back program and then think they save that over years from not paying out medical bills and other associated expenses that are now incurred by the sheer amount of gun violence
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/16/article-2249185-168BE173000005DC-875_634x408.jpg)
PM me your address.
3 left, anyone else?
Gimme.
And only stupid idealist hippies are talking about a nationwide ban on guns. It could never happen and would never happen. An actual adult conversation about gun ownership and this country's obsession with all things auto- and semi-automatic would be a welcome place to start, though. Maybe concentrate on educating the population in all parts of the country so that guns aren't the focus of their sense of personhood and entitlement and freedom. And maybe some funding for education, diagnosis and treatment of mental health issues? And maybe some actual stringent enforcement of existing gun laws? And maybe, hey, stop doing things like spying on our own citizens and overtly courting 'oppressive government' paranoia?
I mean, I'm as pro-gun as a liberal can be, and my reasons for it are totally libertarian and arguably insane, but we have serious societal issues that make our gun obsession incredibly dangerous. I'm not talking about video games and hollywood. I'm talking about a lack of education. A lack of community. And a total disregard for people who have trouble functioning in normal society. Isolation can farg with your head, especially when you're already on the verge of crazy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2249185/Nancy-Lanza-Did-paranoid-gun-crazed-mother-trigger-Sandy-Hook-Connecticut-killing-spree.html
QuoteFriends and family portrayed Adam Lanza's mother Nancy as a paranoid 'survivalist' who believed the world was on the verge of violent, economic collapse.
She is reported to have been struggling to hold herself together and had been stockpiling food, water and guns in the large home she shared with her 20-year-old son in Connecticut.
Mrs Lanza, 52, was a 'prepper' – so called because they are preparing for a breakdown in civilised society – who apparently became obsessed with guns
Dude put four bullets in her head.
on a side note - the Daily Mail seems to always have pretty in-depth USA coverage despite being a British joint
Oh another thing - as an American I fully support our right to free speech. Regardless of how ignorant or stupid one may sound they have every right to say it.
With that being said freedom of speech does not shield one from showing how ignorant or obtuse a person may be. I am about tired of the "if teachers carried guns..." folks. These dopes are showing ignorance thinking that because a teacher or teachers are armed that no one would be harmed or killed.
If a teacher is walking around with a shoulder or belt holster with a Glock .40 cal what does that say about our country that even a goddamn school cannot be free of violence or the appearance of violence? All in the name of our right to bear arms? So these wacko's really want their sons and daughters in school with teachers carrying? They believe that said teacher, while standing up giving a lesson, sees a murderer enter the classroom and their reactionary thought processes immediately switch from the ABC's to how they have to draw down and eliminate a person?
Police and military personnel are trained for this and they are adequately conditioned and prepped to enter and engage in such situations. A teacher is not nor should they be.
It is sick and twisted to think teachers should be armed so these people can avoid gun rights being taken away.
I would love to hear these defenders of such ridiculousness explain how they think Ms. Teacher is going to cap the guy(s) in the minimum amount of shots necessary and accurately enough to avoid the offender getting any shots off. What about ricochet's? What about inaccurate shooting accidentally hitting a student?
Imagine the news if a teacher shot one or two kids while trying to defend the classroom? Imagine the news if a crazed older student overpowered a frail old teacher and used the weapon to kill the teacher and others?
Come on, America - smarten the farg up
Quote from: rjs246 on December 17, 2012, 07:03:11 PM
Gimme.
PM me your address again.
Ok, 2 bands left, anyone else?
I agree with what phreak said.
Teaching is one of the most stressful, poorly paid positions in all of the universe. I went out with a teacher. They take it from all ends, administration, co-workers, parents, and the shtein heads they have to put up with for 8 hours a day. A teacher is probably the last person I want with a gun. Their potential propencity to snap is out the roof, I think alcohol and sex with students is the only thing that keeps teachers grounded.
By the way, in a sad, news eats news type of way, pro-choice advocates just exhaled with the news of gun control taking center stage.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 17, 2012, 07:11:51 PM
on a side note - the Daily Mail seems to always have pretty in-depth USA coverage despite being a British joint
British media knows how to pick the bones of a carcass better than anyone.
Quote from: hbionic on December 17, 2012, 07:40:01 PM
I agree with what phreak said.
Teaching is one of the most stressful, poorly paid positions in all of the universe. I went out with a teacher. They take it from all ends, administration, co-workers, parents, and the shtein heads they have to put up with for 8 hours a day. A teacher is probably the last person I want with a gun. Their potential propencity to snap is out the roof, I think alcohol and sex with students is the only thing that keeps teachers grounded.
Personally, I'd probably be more likely to accidentally Plaxico myself in the leg.
Quote from: SunMo on December 17, 2012, 08:42:09 AM
somehow this tragedy went from "that poor community, families, children..." to a self-serving opportunity for teachers to spout off about what they do for our children and whatever are they going to do and say on Monday.
farging jerkoffs.
Here are my two cents about what happened today. I know you want to hear this... :D
Honestly, I decided that I would try to answer any questions the students brought to me, but not to start anything myself for a few different reasons. First, I have no real good answers to give for far too many of those questions. Secondly, I'd like to keep things as normal for the kids as possible. Lastly, midterm exams are this week, and the kids really need the time in class to review and prepare for those.
And to be frank, not a single student asked about the shootings in class. I found that interesting.
One thing did change today for my homeroom. Usually I show the CNN Student News as the students are coming in, Today, we were asked by administration to refrain from showing it, probably for much the same reasons that I chose to not focus on the tragedy. Interestingly, we did get an e-mail from our admin offering counseling if we needed it as staff. It was obviously also available to any kids that needed it. As much as it could be between the tragedy, the holiday season and the impending midterms, it was a fairly normal day.
According to my wife, her school did much the same thing. They had their normally-scheduled prayer service (it is a Christian school) and did offer prayers to the victims, but otherwise kept things pretty low-key.
As a parent, my wife and I did try to talk to our children about the tragedy over the weekend, trying to appropriately give the kids the information they needed. Like everything else, some kids will know nothing, and others know far too many details for comfort. We rather would have the kids hear it first from us rather than from a friend.
Thanks for sharing that perspective.
It's nice to get a view from the inside from an arena that I would assume would have reverberations about the shootings such as another school and students and staff who attend it.
Geo, what about you...I know that as a student, when I was the J.C., after the V-Tech shootings, it was in the back of my mind as I sat there and thought about what I would do if someone started shooting. I started sitting at the end of the row at the aisle just to have a quick exit and hopefully improve my survival rate. Do you personally have a plan for an incident such as this?
When you are spending time thinking about your best exit strategy from your classroom in the event of a classroom shooting you should probably think about dropping out of school and killing yourself. If Geo has some sort of ready answer to your question, as though he has also spent time thinking about this, I'll be shocked. Awful things happen in the world, it's worth talking about. But if your at school you're infintiely safer than you are just about anywhere else and you should probably focus on learning your dumb ass some edumacation. Just sayin.
I was getting an A in the class and I have a Pentium chip in my brain and I am able to process thoughts which take seconds and not hours at a time thus not creating a conflict in whatever I have embarked on. You should get the upgrade. It's worth it.
I would be surprised if Geo did not have a semblance of a plan. I'm curious now to know. Geo, to the stage! Geo!
Also, 1 band left. 3 have been spoken for already. If no one else, I'll use the extra one as a cock-ring. Obviously I'll have to tie it around a few times, but still.
If I'm in class, I have to worry about the students first. If I'm at home, I have to worry about my wife and kids first. They can't have me thinking about my safety first. Just part of the responsibilities I've accepted as part of my work and family.
The school has a "code red" drill that we have to practice several times per year. Code Red = shooter on campus. Personally, I think we make ourselves sitting ducks in that drill if there was a real shooter looking for a specific target, but there are not any better options that we have come up with. Basically, we take the kids into our central planning area (four classroom share one planning area), turn off all lights and hunker down.
Most of the elementary schools I've been in have bathrooms in their classrooms now, which is a good option for at least a bunch of students (they're usually decent sized)
We didn't have that shtein when I was in elementary school...sheeeit.
jesus christ i barely knew where the fire exits were in grade school. all i knew was follow the teacher and group when the annoying fire alarm went off on fire drills--which meant free time in the school yard
kids practicing lock downs, code reds, active shooter response tactics? shtein is bananas
At least they're not practicing for atomic bombs anymore.
Well, that's because everyone knows what to do when an atom bomb hits; Stop. Drop. And Roll.
No, no I think that's the procedure for doing a fat chick
Quote from: hbionic on December 18, 2012, 02:47:14 AM
Well, that's because everyone knows what to do when an atom bomb hits; Stop. Drop. And Roll.
:-D So that's how Chad Lewis survived Nagasaki.
Quote from: reese125 on December 18, 2012, 12:45:39 AM
jesus christ i barely knew where the fire exits were in grade school. all i knew was follow the teacher and group when the annoying fire alarm went off on fire drills--which meant free time in the school yard
kids practicing lock downs, code reds, active shooter response tactics? shtein is bananas
Been doing it since Columbine.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on December 17, 2012, 04:09:09 PMCan anyone explain how a Mass Ban of guns would work? I don't see where the government has the funds available to fund a program.
A total ban is ludicrous, and not being talked about seriously by anyone worth listening to. Here off the top of my head is what I'd like to see. Irrational politics of the pro-gun set aside, all of this could be accomplished. And yes, it would be expensive but freedom isn't free and I'd remind you that what we've got going now is pretty goddamn costly too.
All gun owners (I am one) submit to a background check and must pass licensing requirements to keep their guns. There will be a set period of time in which to accomplish this...say 18 months. Any illegal weapons in their possession (see below) are taken during this limited amnesty, and they can keep the rest assuming the background check and licensing goes well. People who ignore the requirement, keep possession of their guns and don't get licenses become criminals and should they be found they will be treated according to the law. Use anonymous crime tips hotlines for people to rat out gun criminals. It's harsh, but the only way to make sure the only people who have guns are legal, is to get all the others out of the system.
Licensing to include heavy duty background checks. Like you're applying to be a cop or something. With actual smart people doing the investigations and judges overseeing them. People who know the applicant will be asked questions. Mental health records will be checked. etc.
Licensing to include demonstration of practical competence and safety, and re-licensing will require re-testing for proficiency.
Mentally retarded people cannot get guns. Crazy people can't get guns. Children cannot get guns. Violent felons cannot get guns. (non-violent felons and other "criminals" can still own/apply.."
Ban on sale of assault weapons in all venues. Possession of one becomes a crime, turn them in or face the consequences if you get busted with one.
Ban on large clips.
Ban on bullet proof vests. Or maybe a license required in the case of your job is to sit in an armored car, etc, but they are gonna get a lot more scare and you're not going be able to buy one with your AR 15 from Walmart for your raid on the pre-school down the block.
Draconian prison terms for gun crimes, as I've described before.
Increased funding for mental health, whatever that means. I'm not sure, but clearly we need to be offering people more/better help. There are a lot of damaged people walking around out there and they are beginning to eat us alive for stranding them in our midst.
People who make guns and ammo will be taxed more (but not a crippling increase) to help pay for all this, and general goverment revenue will cover the rest. That means we all pay more, or someone, like the bloated military, gets less. Freedom isn't free. It would be a lot cheaper in the long run to just ban and confiscate all guns.
Finally, we can't do this by law, but we could apply enough moral pressure as a community to get the media to limit coverage of the monsters who do these crimes. Omit names and images of the shooter as much as possible. Deprive them of the infamy they seek, and thereby signal to the next guy that he's not going to become a household name on account of throwing grenades into school busses.
edit: I cannot figure out how to use bullet points. I guess I fail the licensing requirements for :CF Goddamnit.
and underplayed, yet despicable aspect of this thing is the media. farging blood suckers who were interviewing children hours after the shooting. dr. phil who is broadcasting live from newtown to "help the community heal". cnn, fox news, msnbc and all the other networks who keep showing this piece of shtein's picture on tv and saying his name and glorifying him and encouraging the next icehole to do it.
Quote from: SunMo on December 18, 2012, 08:25:09 AM
and underplayed, yet despicable aspect of this thing is the media. farging blood suckers who were interviewing children hours after the shooting. dr. phil who is broadcasting live from newtown to "help the community heal". cnn, fox news, msnbc and all the other networks who keep showing this piece of shtein's picture on tv and saying his name and glorifying him and encouraging the next icehole to do it.
Couldn't agree more. I'm curious about the killer but have no interest in researching him because farg that piece of shtein. If there's a hell I hope he's rotting in agonizing pain. The media needs to stop glorifying these mass shootings indirectly. "We're just reporting" is a crock of shtein, they're psychoanalazing him and his behavior...other nut balls see this and want to emulate this. This all starts with society not feeding into this...just like they don't show fans who run on the field during sporting events so they can discourage stupidity.
And what Dio said is spot on. Guns are free for all do what you want...well guess what...society can't handle it. Owning a gun should be like owning a car...you're required to take mandatory safety classes, you are subject to a strict background check, you're federally required to get a license...ALL guns are registered with a title. You want to sell you'd gun? You transfer ghd title same as you do a car. You break the law you get heavily fined and lose your right to bear arms. This isn't taking people's guns away which is an impossible and stupid premise...it's making gun owners take responsibility for owning a firearm.
definitely underplayed. other than the entire internet no one has been talking about that at all.
other than a few people on twitter i haven't seen anybody talking about it. sorry buddy.
David Brooks (Republican) was on NPR's All Things Considered last friday pointing out that the media plays a major role in creating the notoriety that mass killers crave, and talked about the idea of depriving them of it by getting the media to stop using their names, and doing the kind of coverage that we're talking about here.
p.s. interviewing 5 years old witnesses about mass killings ought be qualify you for Hell. farg people who think that's a good idea, and farg people who watch it.
the best is when the news channels or talk shows do stories on whether the media is taking their coverage to far or are out of bounds in their coverage of the tradgedy
media went thru the looking glass a long time ago
i wanna farg the intestines out of erin burnett
Quote from: hbionic on December 18, 2012, 02:47:14 AM
Well, that's because everyone knows what to do when an atom bomb hits; Stop. Drop. And Roll.
In my school, the procedure was to hide under a desk or table and cover your head.
QuoteThis is powerful .. . .
COLUMBINE STUDENT'S FATHER 13 YEARS LATER !!
Guess our national leaders didn't expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Columbine, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.
They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every Sociologist, every Psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness.. The following is a portion of the transcript:
"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good & evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.
"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.
"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent
I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.
Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!
"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.
"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone! My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!" - Darrell Scott
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yeah prayer will stop bullets
Quote from: Tomahawk on December 18, 2012, 11:09:11 AM
yeah prayer will stop bullets
and of all people shouldnt he know this best?
Quote from: Tomahawk on December 18, 2012, 11:09:11 AM
Quote from: hbionic on December 18, 2012, 02:47:14 AM
Well, that's because everyone knows what to do when an atom bomb hits; Stop. Drop. And Roll.
In my school, the procedure was to hide under a desk or table and cover your head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKqXu-5jw60
Oh god, I heard that song so many times while playing Fallout: New Vegas.
wait, you play video games? Call the FBI
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 18, 2012, 09:39:24 AM
i wanna farg the intestines out of erin burnett
Was told recently That she's gay. No idea if that's true but it broke my heart a little. Also gave me a Woodrow though so really it was a wash.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 18, 2012, 07:55:49 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 18, 2012, 09:39:24 AM
i wanna farg the intestines out of erin burnett
Was told recently That she's gay. No idea if that's true but it broke my heart a little. Also gave me a Woodrow though so really it was a wash.
did she break up with her fiance or something....doesnt mean shes not gay but shes been dating (and was still engaged to) the same guy for like 5 or 6 years
either way id still run up in her
Who cares if she's gay? It's not like women have any say so on who fargs them.
That's what makes cashing in rape dollars so special.
Utah 6th grader takes gun to school, says parents encouraged him (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/18/utah-6th-grader-takes-gun-to-school-says-parents-encouraged-him/)
Quote"At recess, he pointed a gun to my head and said he was going to kill me," fellow classmate Isabel Rios recalled.
Granite School District spokesperson Ben Horsley said that after the staff was informed, the boy was "apprehended in 30 to 45 seconds and immediately brought down to the office and the police were on site within five to 10 minutes."
Several parents told the Fox station that they were disappointed that the school had only notified them with a pre-recorded message at 5:30 p.m., after the the students were already home.
"There was no lockdown," parent John Klaus explained. "No one was called. Nothing was done. And then we had to hear it from our kids."
Poor John Klaus had to listen to his stupid kids.
lol at the NRA press conference...dickheads
http://gawker.com/5970386/police-raid-gun-store-where-nancy-lanza-purchased-rifle-after-owner-was-unaware-that-a-man-stole-an-ar+15-with-plan-for-a-massacre
While the NRA Was on TV Talking About the Need for More Guns Some Guy Was Walking Up and Down a Road in Pennsylvania Shooting People (http://gawker.com/5970497/while-the-nra-was-on-tv-talking-about-the-need-for-more-guns-some-guy-was-walking-up-and-down-a-road-in-pennsylvania-shooting-people?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_twitter&utm_source=gawker_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow)
Because we need more Gawker links, I guess.
...so...there's a high school nearby that's on lock down right now.
False alarm, they were responding to phone threats. Two other schools in the region locked down today as well.
Because of a gunman or because you're nearby?
Hey, the court order says 100 ft. I've marked the perimeter and I was right on the line.
There was an armed police officer at Columbine. He actually engaged one of the shooters but was unable to present much resistance because the shooter had much better firepower, and ducked back into the building.
Jim Brady and Ronald Reagan were shot surrounded by the best trained security service in the world, all of them armed.
Still, the NRA thinks it's a great idea to put armed cops in every school. At ~$80k per year per school, I wonder who will pay for that. Certainly not the anti-tax, "real American" gun nuts.
Ft. Hood had a base full of armed people and that stopped nothing.
The NRA is a despicable organization. Their stance here reminds me of the war profiteers who were giddy at the prospect of conflicts in Iraq & Afghanistan because their profits would soar.
Absolutely amoral & evil at the core.
Death throes indeed.
My school has had an assigned deputy since I started here nearly 20 years ago. Couldn't tell you for certain if he's paid for by the school district or the sheriff's office (I think it's the sheriff's office but wouldn't bet the house on it). In our district the high schools and middle schools are each assigned a deputy.
For the most part, the resource officer's (official title) role is to be a liason to the students. He's come into my classes twice already this year for a few things: internet safety, bullying, etc. He's also taken kids out of school if they're caught with drugs or weapons (we've never had students with guns, but a few have come with knives of some sort).
Adding a resource officer to the elementary schools would effectively double the cost, since there are approximately double the number of elementary schools then there are middle and high schools combined. My district (in Florida each county functions as a school district) has 50 elemtary schools. 50 schools X $50,000 (just a very rough estimation) is $2.5 million just in our school district.
As an aside, our district had a budget of over $1 billion last year. A farging school district in one county in Florida had a burget of over a billion dollars ($1.3 Billion in 2012-2013). A peacetime U.S. government (excluding the Civil War) didn't have a billion dollar budget until the 20th century (World War I in 1917, to be exact).
[NRA]We can rest peacefully once each child is assigned an escort from Seal Team Six[/NRA]
a 14 year old punk threatened a kid at Council Rock High School this week. the threat was reported to a teacher, the police were called. they went to his house with an arrest warrant and asked the parents if there were guns in the house. they said yes. however the farging guns were stored UNLOCKED IN THE 14 YEAR OLD'S BEDROOM. the parents were also arrested for allowing firearm access to a minor. oh yeah, there drugs in the house too.
sweet work everybody, real solid effort
to the nra guns = toys
they have successfully turned dangerous deadly weapons into household items everyone has and everyone can have lying around willy nilly. awesome.
this guns thing is working out great
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/24/us/new-york-firefighters-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
I suppose the NRA will suggest that we arm firefighters too. Or provide each company a SWAT team for protection...
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/24/us/houston-police-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
Further proof that all bystanders should be armed. If the guy in the pickup and the other guy in the parking lot had only been armed to the teeth...
Exactly!
Bellaire isn't exactly a bad side of town...awful news
I can visualize the scene easily..bad guy being chased, shooting. Cop giving chase, shooting. Guy in pick up shooting. Bystander in parking lot, shooting.
It would have worked out much better that way.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 24, 2012, 03:20:44 PM
I can visualize the scene easily..bad guy being chased, shooting. Cop giving chase, shooting. Guy in pick up shooting. Bystander in parking lot, shooting.
It would have worked out much better that way.
Its Texas so don't forget to add the middle school aged children in the background ready to draw down as well
I'm starting to think I support a total ban on guns and whatever it takes to confiscate them.
http://www.chron.com/news/local_news/article/S-A-folks-drawn-to-assault-weapons-at-gun-show-4141064.php
Maybe just a ban on any firearm with post 1791 technology.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20121224_Man_shot_in_front_of_five-year-old_son.html
South Philly in a busy parking lot.
Guy is shot in front of his 5yr old son. The video is sad as you see the kid running away at the end towards a lady
QuoteThe assailant followed the man into the lot, got out of his car, fired 17 shots and drove off. The child was not physically injured.
fixed
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/947822c41cdf88107b923ee65bc9c515/tumblr_mf52ps53Hw1r5o6vko1_500.jpg)
That is spectacular.
That's an all timer there
so david gregory is going to get arrested for doing the first good meet the press interview since tim russert died
Quote
Police Investigating 'Meet the Press'
Be careful where you bear your arms. Washington, D.C., police announced that they are investigating Meet the Press after David Gregory, the host, displayed what he said was a high-capacity ammunition magazine. The incident occurred during Gregory's interview with National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre on Sunday, while the two were discussing whether high-capacity ammunition should be banned. But Washington, D.C., law stipulates "No person in the District shall possess, sell, or transfer any large capacity ammunition feeding device" even if it is not attached to a firearm. A police spokeswoman confirmed, "We are investigating this matter."
good read....especially if you are an arm everyone nut job
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/armed-civilians-do-not-stop-mass-shootings
i was going to use my gun to stop a mass shooting but instead i decided to clean it and killed my wife
http://whnt.com/2012/06/12/update-victim-of-apparent-accidental-shooting-in-morgan-county-identified/
Gloucester Cty in Jerz...domestic violence suspect gets into confrontation at the PD and gets a gun. He shot three cops (all survived) and then he was shot dead.
I love a happy ending.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html
Just checking in to say that not one of you posted anything remotely surprising or life-changing. Really poor efforts across the board.
now you know how we feel every time you post
Quote from: SunMo on January 01, 2013, 09:16:26 AM
now you know how we feel every time you post
equally predictable
Congratulations on not being fat anymore, I guess, you salty prick. XOXOXOX
guns: protecting your family since 1776
http://www.weau.com/home/headlines/BREAKING-Man-arrested-after-police-say-he-shot-his-wife-185286572.html?mobile=yes
I fired shots into the moon last night in honor of america
Did anything die?
Quote from: hbionic on January 01, 2013, 07:36:36 PM
Did anything die?
If so I am rooting for either a welfare suckler or an unborn fetus.
That would be a hell of a shot. Personally I'd be rooting for a wall street banker.
nra: the best protection from a bad guy with a gun is a toddler with a gun
http://kfor.com/2012/12/17/candlelight-vigil-held-for-3-year-old-accidental-shooting-victim/
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 01, 2013, 10:10:46 PM
nra: the best protection from a bad guy with a gun is a toddler with a gun
http://kfor.com/2012/12/17/candlelight-vigil-held-for-3-year-old-accidental-shooting-victim/
QuoteTaylor Felgenhaur, the young victim's aunt, attended the vigil as well.
"It's just so like it wasn't expected or anything like that. It's not like, like he was only 3 years old," said Felgenhaur.
Um, what?
If only he was armed, that three year old could have defended himself.
http://globalgrind.com/news/sister-accidentally-shoots-kills-brother-trying-pose-gun-facebook-photos-video
what never happens - hero with gun stops madman
what happens all the time - gun owner kills relative
stricter facebook laws!
this has gone far enough....we need armed secruity guards to protect our armed security guards....more guns
http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2013/01/worcester_county_security_guar.html
About 7 miles from my estate, somebody did shoot at the moon, and they killed a baby
http://www.cecildaily.com/news/local_news/article_59b8b71a-55d3-11e2-b4e8-001a4bcf887a.html
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-cecil-county-shooting-20130103,0,2286850.story
If the girl had been wearing a battle helmet, she would have been fine. /NRA
new years celebrations need armed guards
you guys really going to post every "single" shooting in the u.s. from here on out until david keene joins CF?
yeah, basically...what we have here is one long drawn out mass shooting, nationwide, daily, one and twos and threes at a time.
isn't it great?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2013, 09:40:51 PM
http://globalgrind.com/news/sister-accidentally-shoots-kills-brother-trying-pose-gun-facebook-photos-video
The headline says "so sad"..why? I wish everyone who posts a pic of themselves holding a gun on Facebook a similar fate.
I'd shoot all over that reporter's face.
Quote from: DH on January 04, 2013, 10:51:42 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2013, 09:40:51 PM
http://globalgrind.com/news/sister-accidentally-shoots-kills-brother-trying-pose-gun-facebook-photos-video
The headline says "so sad"..why? I wish everyone who posts a pic of themselves holding a gun on Facebook a similar fate.
maybe they meant its sad that they both didnt die
Quote from: DH on January 04, 2013, 10:51:42 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2013, 09:40:51 PM
http://globalgrind.com/news/sister-accidentally-shoots-kills-brother-trying-pose-gun-facebook-photos-video
The headline says "so sad"..why? I wish everyone who posts a pic of themselves holding a gun on Facebook a similar fate.
Cute, but no. HOWEVER, I wish everyone who is stupid enough to pose for a photo with a LOADED GUN met a similar fate.
god i love the nra
http://www.npr.org/2013/01/09/168926749/nra-vows-to-stop-tuscon-from-destroying-guns?sc=tw&cc=share
Shooter in the CA school yesterday said he was targeted for bullying by the kid he shot (and the one he shot at but missed).
Kids best be careful who they push around these days. You shove a nerd on Monday, on Thursday he interrupts your class and blasts you with a farging shotgun.
yo ill trade you my girlfriends gun for a set of tires!!....OK....blaow!...oh sorry still wanna trade?
http://democratherald.com/news/local/lebanon-men-injured-in-accidental-shooting/article_fc160852-470d-11e2-9458-0019bb2963f4.html
responsible gun owner: i no longer have a penis but at least my firearm is clean
http://www.gadailynews.com/news/national/144541-florida-teen-michael-smeriglio-accidentally-shoots-off-his-penis-and-testicle-and-tried-to-blame-it-on-street-shooting.html
Hopefully it prevents him from reproducing.
the more i read about responsible gun owners the more ive come to the conclusion that the most dangerous thing you can do with a gun is clean it
While the gun is loaded, yes. Unloaded you're less likely to shoot yourself with that particular gun.
yeah so if you are a responsible gun owner you dont clean it loaded....see how this works?
Not until I look down the barrel to make sure.
everyone is a responsible gun owner just until right before a four year old gets got
http://fox4kc.com/2013/01/10/police-young-child-playing-with-gun-may-have-shot-girl-in-head/
can you be a responsible gun owner if you are dead?
http://articles.ky3.com/2013-01-08/oregon-county_36223075
has anyone ever gotten shot playing with a video game?
http://wearecentralpa.com/fulltext-news?nxd_id=424352
protecting your home....
http://www.tribtoday.com/page/content.detail/id/581056/Cops--Shooting-an-accident.html?nav=5021
http://www.shelbystar.com/news/local/1-year-old-boy-shot-at-home-1.71472
weird that the unthinkable happens everyday
http://www.northernnecknews.com/?p=7187
mr. murderer could you please wait a minute before you kill me so i can fumble thru my purse and kill myself
http://www.wyff4.com/news/columbia-statewide-news/SC-woman-shoots-self-while-fumbling-through-purse/-/9324106/18036188/-/1l3hu6z/-/index.html#ixzz2Ht3kwVB6
he sleeps with a gun underneath his pillow.....now he sleeps alone...mo guns mo death
http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2013/01/18/2843321/manslaughter-charge-filed-in-shooting.html
i dont think this happens at auto or flower shows
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/19/accidental-shooting-gun-show/1847879/
lmao, jesus christ
happy gun appreciation day
ATTENTION PLEASE: two more shootings at gun shows....if they were this common youd think youd hear about it more
http://www.newsandsentinel.com/page/content.detail/id/569437/Man-accidentally-shot-in-ankle-at-local-gun-show.html?nav=5061
daddy can you take me to the gun show PLEEEEEEEEEASE!!....ok honey just dont farg around and get shot
http://www.msnewsnow.com/story/19813925/4-year-old-injured-when-gun-discharges-at-tupelo-gun-show
Mississippi, Georgia & North Carolina
stars and bars, cheap beer and guns baby!
these are supposedly the people who know how to use guns, huh?
guns shows are where you go to avoid background checks and learn how to accidentily shoot people
Also to buy novelty paper targets.
I was in a gun shop when someone accidentally fired a gun once, less than ten feet from me.
The experience was pretty frightening, exhilarating, and infuriating all at once.
at least the nra is paying all the medical bills for these shootings....oh wait....no there not...stalincare is
according to the AP a total of eight people were shot at gun shows today.....gun appreciation day
night is still young tho and its only 430 in hawaii so stay low
to celebrate gun appreciation day a teen brother died
http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/20631293/accidental-shooting-between-2-brothers-kills-1
still looking for all the articles about brave gun owners protecting the family by shooting mean intruder or black helicopter....will report back never
little girl had such a precious face.....until she shot it off...gun appreciation day
http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/clevealnd-police-are-investigating-the-death-of-a-6-year-old-girl-after-she-was-shot-in-the-face
so nice of MA to make gun appreciation day on mlk's born day.....these are some special people
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2013/01/19/shooting-at-mlk-parade-in-miss.html
enjoy!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/17/gun-fails-second-amendment-rights-gone-wrong_n_2490579.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
Quote from: General_Failure on January 19, 2013, 08:58:16 PM
Also to buy novelty paper targets.
Zombies and dudes in mullets are two of my favorites.
This guy farging gets it.
THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR3t7j2tUec&feature=share)
He gets what, the NRA talking points?
There were armed police at Columbine. They actually engaged one of the shooters. Fat lot of good that did.
There were the best trained best armed security in the world surrounding Reagan and Brady. Fat lot of good that did them.
More guns=more shootings.
You are talking about the exceptions and not the rules. That said, are you in favor of removing armed guards from the President of the United States?
The exceptions are when an armed citizen actually stops a crime because of his weapon. Most of the time, he shoots himself or his wife or his kid finds the gun, etc. What is it, more than a thousand dead by gunfire since Newtown? You trying to tell me there were more than a thousand crimes prevented during that same period because some modern cowboy was in the right place at the right time? Makes no sense. More guns=more shooting. Fewer guns, fewer shooting.
Regarding the President, you and the NRA are embarrassing yourselves with that line. Unlike the rest of us, The President is under explicit threat on his life 24/7, so of course he's protected by armed security services. Don't be daft.
So why did you mention the inability of Reagan's security to protect him and Brady?
I guess I'll just try to pick and choose which parts of your arguments make sense. The simple point is that places law-abiding citizens are prohibited from carrying firearms are more attractive to those looking to commit mass acts of gun violence.
If you disagree with the comment in bold, there is absolutely no reason to debate the topic.
To support my point that even the best trained and armed security service couldn't stop a shooting, so the idea that rent-a-cops and art teachers with guns would prevent mass shootings is fantasy.
I do disagree. Fort Hood was armed to the teeth. So is the the Secret Service. Columbine had armed guards. None of which prevented attack.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 20, 2013, 07:58:34 AM
He gets what, the NRA talking points?
There were armed police at Columbine. They actually engaged one of the shooters. Fat lot of good that did.
There were the best trained best armed security in the world surrounding Reagan and Brady. Fat lot of good that did them.
More guns=more shootings.
1. While the kid @ Columbine was engaged in a firefight with the police at Columbine, was he shooting other kids at point blank range while they huddled under desks? No - not that for that period of time. So it likely reduced the total body count, so I'd call that a win.
2. RE: Reagan, I think it makes points for both sides, but this is why I consider shooters like Hinckley and Lanza to be roughly the equivalent of suicide bombers. They aren't necessarily deterred by countermeasures that would preclude a person who's instincts to preserve their own lives has been discarded due to ideology or mental illness. They are going to kill a lot of people, regardless of the mechanism.
3. More guns = more shootings. Correct - and I say that as a gun owner. Their are too many guns out there. We have differing opinions on how to fix it. I believe that putting all the resources into stopping the legal purchases is much less effective than getting rid of the guns on the black market, or those obtained second and third hand, while also making it a more time intensive and thorough process to purchase anything new. I'm always a little put off when I am in a gun store and I hear someone say "I need it right away."
Fair enough, Dio. I'll leave this thread to the hippos (not that you are necessarily one of them) after I leave my final thoughts.
I don't really care either way about the proposals Obama made except that they're wasteful. I personally don't need a bigger mag or an AR-15, but he's going after the wrong problem.
The real problem is that the access to guns is unfettered and untested, which leads to guns being in the hands of the wrong people... which leads to guns being disallowed and shunned from society. In North Carolina, no law-abiding non-law-enforcement officer may EVER carry a gun...
1. ...anywhere on any school grounds
2. ...into anywhere that charges admission
3. ...into a restaurant or bar that serves alcohol (even under the presumption that he or she doesn't drink any alcohol)
It is my strong opinion that if I am trained and able to wield a concealed handgun with expert skill, I should be able to have it basically anywhere I want to protect myself or my family/friends from an imminent threat to our lives. I take the responsibility very seriously and fully support stiff penalties for anyone who accidentally fires their gun or lets it get into the wrong hands.
Our governments (Federal and most all states) already make huge mistakes regarding "gun control" laws, and these proposals don't sniff at the true root causes. But because the proposals "sound" good to a lot of people, it only means even more delays at best for real reform. And the reason that reform is not being proposed is that our elected representatives on both sides of the proverbial aisle are not as interested in keeping us safe as they are in not making waves in the bulk of the arms industry and keeping their pockets lined with gun money. If they actually made it harder and more meaningful to be able to acquire a gun, a lot fewer would be sold. THAT is how "gun control" should work. Banning certain numbers of magazines and guns you've basically randomly decided to call "assault" weapons is a total red herring and yet another massive waste of money the government doesn't have.
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 20, 2013, 08:32:40 AM
So why did you mention the inability of Reagan's security to protect him and Brady?
I guess I'll just try to pick and choose which parts of your arguments make sense. The simple point is that places law-abiding citizens are prohibited from carrying firearms are more attractive to those looking to commit mass acts of gun violence.
If you disagree with the comment in bold, there is absolutely no reason to debate the topic.
The point is that even people that are as highly trained as Secret Service agents can't even get it right sometimes...so the idea of Joe Dumbass with his concealed handgun protecting my freedom or safety doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies
And, if a law isn't a deterrent from a crazy looking to commit mass acts of gun violence, neither is the idea that
someone might have a gun. They're not thinking like a sane person, remember?
[quote author=Munson link=topic=20029.msg917239#msg917239 date=1358701814
The point is that even people that are as highly trained as Secret Service agents can't even get it right sometimes...so the idea of Joe Dumbass with his concealed handgun protecting my freedom or safety doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies
And, if a law isn't a deterrent from a crazy looking to commit mass acts of gun violence, neither is the idea that someone might have a gun. They're not thinking like a sane person, remember?
[/quote]
Munson, this is a great example of why most people don't take your arguments seriously: You stereotype an entire group of people, from all backgrounds and walks of life as ignorant and oblivious imbeciles. You picture and portray gun owners as frothing-at-the-mouth right wingers, which many are not, and you set yourself using that imagine, so that any argument counter to your's can be discounted. It really shows your ignorance and serves only to discount any valid points you make.
You then go on to use a single example of a somewhat successful assassination attempt to make the case that guns are ineffective in such scenarios, while conveniently failing to acknowledge all of the ones that were thwarted or deterred through the use of force.
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on January 20, 2013, 12:50:04 PM
Quote from: Munson on January 20, 2013, 12:10:14 PM
The point is that even people that are as highly trained as Secret Service agents can't even get it right sometimes...so the idea of Joe Dumbass with his concealed handgun protecting my freedom or safety doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies
And, if a law isn't a deterrent from a crazy looking to commit mass acts of gun violence, neither is the idea that someone might have a gun. They're not thinking like a sane person, remember?
Munson, this is a great example of why most people don't take your arguments seriously: You stereotype an entire group of people, from all backgrounds and walks of life as ignorant and oblivious imbeciles. You picture and portray gun owners as frothing-at-the-mouth right wingers, which many are not, and you set yourself using that imagine, so that any argument counter to your's can be discounted. It really shows your ignorance and serves only to discount any valid points you make.
You then go on to use a single example of a somewhat successful assassination attempt to make the case that guns are ineffective in such scenarios, while conveniently failing to acknowledge all of the ones that were thwarted or deterred through the use of force.
Where did I say that all gun owners are Joe Dumbass? My viewpoint is most Americans are Joe Dumbass. That being said, the amount of "accidents" that gun owners seem to encounter on a yearly basis doesn't do well for your stereotype either.
I am not currently a gun owner but plan on being one someday when I can afford to do so. Most likely a hunting rifle with a scope. I'd also really like to take up the bow/crossbow too. The challenge of being accurate with a bow interests me.
And I was making the case that even highly trained professionals with weapons sometimes aren't enough, so this notion that random American citizen with a gun is some effective deterrent is nothing more than wishful thinking.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 20, 2013, 08:55:01 AM
To support my point that even the best trained and armed security service couldn't stop a shooting, so the idea that rent-a-cops and art teachers with guns would prevent mass shootings is fantasy.
I do disagree. Fort Hood was armed to the teeth. So is the the Secret Service. Columbine had armed guards. None of which prevented attack.
Never give the art teacher at my school a gun. We'd have 100 fewer students by 4th period.
Quote from: Munson on January 20, 2013, 01:11:02 PM
this notion that random American citizen with a gun is some effective deterrent is nothing more than wishful thinking.
lol
It is. There is no evidence that supports that having a gun owner in the area of a mass shooting has any better chance of stopping said shooter than it does of resulting in more injuries.
So now it's mass shootings only? I thought we were talking crime in general.
I thought we were talking gun crime, more specifically murder, considering it was coming off of the assassination attempt/Secret Service talk.
one of the nice perks of the presidency is having to worry about your family being killed 24/7...its one of the main reasons people run for the office
Okay, so now that we have a context, your argument is that persons carrying firearms, concealed or otherwise, do not serve as a deterrent or mitigation factor in crimes, correct?
Quote from: Diomedes on January 20, 2013, 08:55:01 AM
To support my point that even the best trained and armed security service couldn't stop a shooting, so the idea that rent-a-cops and art teachers with guns would prevent mass shootings is fantasy.
I do disagree. Fort Hood was armed to the teeth. So is the the Secret Service. Columbine had armed guards. None of which prevented attack.
cops were murdered in a police station in south jerz last month.....i think we need armed guards at police stations thruout the country
GUNS!!
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on January 20, 2013, 01:58:21 PM
Okay, so now that we have a context, your argument is that persons carrying firearms, concealed or otherwise, do not serve as a deterrent or mitigation factor in crimes, correct?
No, my argument was that it wouldn't be any more likely to stop a murder from happening as it would be in resulting in further injury or destruction. Especially in some of the panic-inducing scenarios that many pro-gun people have been bringing up (ie "If only that principal or a teacher was armed that day")
Crime in general, I do not know. Guns can certainly be a deterrent to robbery, but even that relies on the owner and the conditions of the scenario. Crime goes deeper than just whether people have a gun or not....it's a cultural thing. There are countries who have very strict gun laws and very low crime overall, and countries with very strict gun laws that have higher rates of other crime. There's also the issue of poverty and crime, and how our efforts to lower crime might be better focused if we stopped worrying about arming the populous and started worrying more about getting people out of poverty.
Another one...
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/20/justice/new-mexico-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
QuoteA teenage boy faces murder and other charges in the shooting deaths of a man, a woman and three children in a home on the outskirts of Albuquerque, New Mexico, authorities said Sunday.
Investigators were still combing over the home on the southwestern edge of the city where investigators found the victims Saturday night, said Deputy Aaron Williamson, a spokesman for the Bernalillo County Sheriff's Department. It was unclear whether the teenager now in custody is related to the victims, nor would Williamson disclose whether the victims -- who included two boys and a girl -- were related.
Williamson said each victim had been shot multiple times. Several guns were found inside the home, including a "military-style" rifle he said had been used in the crime.
The teen is being charged with two counts of murder and three counts of child abuse resulting in death, the sheriff's department said. He was arrested after being questioned at the sheriff's office and is likely to be arraigned on Tuesday, Williamson said.
Neither the victims' nor the suspect's identities had been released Sunday afternoon.
protecting your family
2 shot possibly 3 wounded at Lone Star Community college in Texas today
students and faculty on lockdown
Yep - not too far from my work. One of my coworkers daughter goes there.
News says that it appears it started as an argument...GUNS!!!!
i'm sure when they say argument it was an all american great dad protecting his family from a gang of thugs
http://www.khou.com/news/Reports-of-shooting-at-Lone-Star-College-in-North-Harris-County-187912461.html
QuoteThose two men both ended up with gunshot wounds, and one of them shot and wounded a maintenance man who was an innocent bystander, according to acting Harris County Sheriff Armando Tello.
QuoteA law enforcement source said the gunman shot the man he was arguing with, then accidentally shot himself in the buttocks.
Lone Star College student Brittany Mobley said she saw the whole thing happen.
"I saw two dudes basically get into an altercation and the dude that shot, he basically got angry and started shooting the other guy," said Mobley. "A lot of people heard a lot of shots."
Mobley said the suspect had the gun hidden in his clothes.
"Basically, I seen the dude that shot him and as soon as I heard the bullets flying and the gun being fired off, then everyone started running and it was a hint for me to start running as well," Mobley said.
1. the shooter shot himself in the ass
2. this girl needs remedial English classes pronto - and if you told he she could not say basically or dude anymore she'd be crushed
3. GUNS!
4. Lets see if that guns is legal
texas state legislature is currently deciding whether to make it legal to carry guns on school campuses....i think thats a wonderful idea
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 22, 2013, 07:16:35 PM
http://www.khou.com/news/Reports-of-shooting-at-Lone-Star-College-in-North-Harris-County-187912461.html
QuoteThose two men both ended up with gunshot wounds, and one of them shot and wounded a maintenance man who was an innocent bystander, according to acting Harris County Sheriff Armando Tello.
QuoteA law enforcement source said the gunman shot the man he was arguing with, then accidentally shot himself in the buttocks.
Lone Star College student Brittany Mobley said she saw the whole thing happen.
"I saw two dudes basically get into an altercation and the dude that shot, he basically got angry and started shooting the other guy," said Mobley. "A lot of people heard a lot of shots."
Mobley said the suspect had the gun hidden in his clothes.
"Basically, I seen the dude that shot him and as soon as I heard the bullets flying and the gun being fired off, then everyone started running and it was a hint for me to start running as well," Mobley said.
1. the shooter shot himself in the ass
2. this girl needs remedial English classes pronto - and if you told he she could not say basically or dude anymore she'd be crushed
3. GUNS!
The local news radio station was playing interviews from the school - hard to believe any of them were college students. Alot of "Cause we was just running" and "We are all, like, you know, running from the shots."
It's actually a school to teach the fine arts of being waitstaff and cooks at Lone Star restaurant
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on January 22, 2013, 07:38:05 PM
4. Lets see if that guns is legal
Legal or not it shouldn't be happening.
One of those perfectly legal guns was in the hands of a jerkoff power hungry fella a couple years ago when he went and smoked his neighbor for music being too loud. Guy walks over to the house where the BBQ is going in and makes a scene. He's on the phone with 911 and shoots the guy and tries to come off as he was standing his ground...his ground at his neighbors house where he went.
people with guns kill more people than people without guns....its science
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2013, 08:49:26 PM
people with guns kill more people than people without guns....its science
Yup. Just ask the Native Americans.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 23, 2013, 07:22:13 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2013, 08:49:26 PM
people with guns kill more people than people without guns....its science
Yup. Just ask the Native Americans.
Guns kill more than cars?
Heck Sarge keeps his Native American as a captive
fox and nra....effin psychos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIr1xn69sT0&feature=player_embedded#!
until proven otherwise i will go to my deathbed thinking brent bozzell is the worst human being ever
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on January 23, 2013, 07:51:52 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 23, 2013, 07:22:13 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2013, 08:49:26 PM
people with guns kill more people than people without guns....its science
Yup. Just ask the Native Americans.
Guns kill more than cars?
Heck Sarge keeps his Native American as a captive
I'm preventing an uprising. Even after serving, I'm still keeping 'Merica safe.
the great taibbi
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/conservatives-have-their-worst-week-ever-20130123
legtimate status update on facebook:
"Thoughts on gun control/confiscation: see the movie Zero Dark Thirty and tell me what you propose if we were ever attacked on the Homeland. Oh wait...."
assault rifles would have stopped 9/11...now I know
Paranoid idiots. If we're ever attacked on the homeland, the Marines would have something to say about that. As would the Navy, the Army, the Air Force, and the Coast Guard.
I'll take my chances with them defending us over some racist yokel with a few shotguns AR 15s and canned food.
I oppose the new laws because they don't address the roots of gun violence, are somewhat arbitrary and contrived, are designed to placate gun lobbies, don't make us any safer, and are a complete waste of already-strapped government funding.
The best arguments I've heard in favor of these proposals center around the "at least they're trying something" side. I disagree. Doing something wasteful and ineffective is actually worse than doing what needs to be done to truly make this country safer.
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 24, 2013, 09:18:25 AM
I oppose the new laws because they don't address the roots of gun violence
The roots of gun violence is pretty simple, imo. Human nature. There's been gun violence basically since the invention of the hand held gun. Plenty of people say that we've created a "gun culture" over the last 20 or 30 years with movies, video games and music that glorifies and encourages gun violence, but we all know that simply isn't the case. If it were, then we wouldn't have the stories of legendary gun slingers in the Old West, would we? Afterall, Billy the Kid wasn't inspired by Dirty Harry, Halo or NWA.
People are dicks and we're inherently violent towards one another and when we get mad enough we reach for the most convenient weapon we can get our hands on. I imagine that a few thousand years ago, rock violence was out of control. After that, spears didn't kill people....people with spears killed people. Then knives and the bow and arrow. And today it's guns. The tools have changed over the years to make our killing more efficient, but man's violent behavior hasn't....at least not much. We're really no less civil today than we were 200 or even 2000 years ago.
So unless science nerds can somehow discover a way to suppress the violence gene, it really doesn't matter what gun laws are put in place. You can't stop gun violence unless you can figure out a way to stop violence altogether.
I'm in favor of putting more rules and regs around gun ownership. I think we need to make sure that anyone buying a gun is properly trained, licensed and mentally stable enough to bear the responsibility of owning them and to also make owners criminally responsible if their gun results in an accidental death or is used in criminal activity. But I'm not under the delusion that any changes to the purchasing/registration system are going to significantly change the amount of deaths/injuries by gun in this country. That won't change until we do.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 24, 2013, 09:38:56 AMYou can't stop gun violence unless you can figure out a way to stop violence altogether.
False. You are assuming guns are naturally as abundant as rocks and knives. They happen to be as easy to get in America as knives and rocks, but they don't have to be.
No gun=no gun violence.
I read something interesting recently on the topic of suicide and guns. More people kill themselves with a gun each year than are killed by someone else with one, so suicide is being talked about a lot now too. It turns out that people who attempt suicide and survive, without regard to the method of the attempt, are a lot more unlkely to try again than you would think. In short, a great number of suicide attempts are done rashly, and if the person doesn't succeed, they usually don't try again. It is also true that guns are by far the most successful method, with mortality rates per suicide attempt far far higher than any other method.
So the argument goes that, if guns weren't so profligate in our society, we'd have far fewer suicides, even if all the people who would have attempted suicide with a gun still go through with the attempt by a different method.
No gun=no bullet to the brain.
machine guns are the perfect example that gun control laws work
ban semi automatic weapons and eventually they will not be used to mass murder
Why isn't the NRA lobbying to have machine guns de-criminalized?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2013, 10:14:45 AM
machine guns are the perfect example that gun control laws work
ban semi automatic weapons and eventually they will not be used to mass murder
Sorry, no. Not if a cop can carry them too. Not if you don't start (and fund) a massive program to have all the ones out there, like mine and Dio's, confiscated with adequate compensation. You're not thinking this through... Not that it's anything new for you, but being a stubborn know-it-all is no excuse for avoiding reasonable debate.
Confiscated? Pshaw.
Set up a buy back program, call it mandatory. People either bring their shtein in and get paid, or they don't, and after a defined date, they become de facto criminals subject to any and all laws should they be caught in possession of the gun. We don't have a registry, so it's not like the boogie man feds are going to come knocking on your door.
Want to keep your gun, take the risk that you'll get put in jail for it should someone rat you out, or should you end up using it/having someone else use it.
its pretty simple actually....but if we gave up semi autos we wouldnt be able to shoot down the black helicopters
Quote from: Diomedes on January 24, 2013, 09:56:13 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 24, 2013, 09:38:56 AMYou can't stop gun violence unless you can figure out a way to stop violence altogether.
False. You are assuming guns are naturally as abundant as rocks and knives. They happen to be as easy to get in America as knives and rocks, but they don't have to be.
No gun=no gun violence.
Are you suggesting that knives are naturally abundant?
Obviously rounding up every gun, melting them down and making them extinct puts an end to gun associated violence. But it doesn't end violence, it just changes the tool people use to be violent. The only real benefit is that it would make killing less efficient. Can't kill fifty people in the mall with a bow and arrow in 10 seconds. Maybe you look at that as a victory because only 2 people are dead instead of 50, but the families of those 2 people won't see it the same way.
QuoteI read something interesting recently on the topic of suicide and guns. More people kill themselves with a gun each year than are killed by someone else with one, so suicide is being talked about a lot now too. It turns out that people who attempt suicide and survive, without regard to the method of the attempt, are a lot more unlkely to try again than you would think. In short, a great number of suicide attempts are done rashly, and if the person doesn't succeed, they usually don't try again. It is also true that guns are by far the most successful method, with mortality rates per suicide attempt far far higher than any other method.
So the argument goes that, if guns weren't so profligate in our society, we'd have far fewer suicides, even if all the people who would have attempted suicide with a gun still go through with the attempt by a different method.
No gun=no bullet to the brain.
I'm curious about the number of failed suicide attempts with guns vs other methods. I suspect that the fail rate is much lower with guns than it is with attempted drug overdose, poisoning, wrist cutting, etc. Probably because the people who put a gun in their mouth seriously want to leave this world and the wrist cutter is crying out for help.
Taking away the gun only changes the means, not the result. If someone truly wants to kill himself, he'll jump off a bridge or do something else that leaves little/no room for survival. No one is forcing you to be in this world. You didn't come here voluntarily but if you choose to take yourself out, by all means feel free. Just try not to take anyone else with you or leave a huge mess to clean up.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2013, 10:14:45 AM
machine guns are the perfect example that gun control laws work
ban semi automatic weapons and eventually they will not be used to mass murder
This is the problem i have with the "ban semi automatics" argument. Semi-automatic just means that a gun that operates on a gas system or load another round rather than a manual action. I have a Browning A-5 12ga magnum,and a Remington 11-87 that I use for goose and duck hunting. Would that fit your list of Scary?
I happen to agree with Sarge with Humans are inherently violent. No matter what weapon you have around, some icehole is going to find a way to kill another.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on January 24, 2013, 10:31:36 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2013, 10:14:45 AM
machine guns are the perfect example that gun control laws work
ban semi automatic weapons and eventually they will not be used to mass murder
This is the problem i have with the "ban semi automatics" argument. Semi-automatic just means that a gun that operates on a gas system or load another round rather than a manual action. I have a Browning A-5 12ga magnum,and a Remington 11-87 that I use for goose and duck hunting. Would that fit your list of Scary?
I happen to agree with Sarge with Humans are inherently violent. No matter what weapon you have around, some icehole is going to find a way to kill another.
you are wasting your time giving me the differences in guns because id abolishment the 2nd amendment if i had my way
obviously thats not going to happen so ill start with any gun i can
i honestly cant think of a single legitimate reason for guns to be legal outside of ones home or business...and guns that are allowed in those two places should be limited to non automatic handguns
Quote from: Diomedes on January 24, 2013, 10:22:17 AM
Confiscated? Pshaw.
Set up a buy back program, call it mandatory. People either bring their shtein in and get paid, or they don't, and after a defined date, they become de facto criminals subject to any and all laws should they be caught in possession of the gun. We don't have a registry, so it's not like the boogie man feds are going to come knocking on your door.
Want to keep your gun, take the risk that you'll get put in jail for it should someone rat you out, or should you end up using it/having someone else use it.
"Mandatory buy back" = confiscated = totalitarian, controlling, fascist government
That's some preposterous stuff, guys.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 24, 2013, 10:30:12 AMThe only real benefit is that it would make killing less efficient. Can't kill fifty people in the mall with a bow and arrow in 10 seconds. Maybe you look at that as a victory because only 2 people are dead instead of 50, but the families of those 2 people won't see it the same way.
That's a hell of a real benefit, wouldn't you say?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 24, 2013, 10:30:12 AMI'm curious about the number of failed suicide attempts with guns vs other methods. I suspect that the fail rate is much lower with guns than it is with attempted drug overdose, poisoning, wrist cutting, etc. Probably because the people who put a gun in their mouth seriously want to leave this world and the wrist cutter is crying out for help.
This is just the point...all evidence from suicide survivors points to the act being, by and large, impulsive, not deliberative. Whether you use a gun or jump off a bridge is irrelevant, except the former is a hell of a lot more efficient.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 24, 2013, 10:30:12 AMTaking away the gun only changes the means, not the result. If someone truly wants to kill himself, he'll jump off a bridge or do something else that leaves little/no room for survival. No one is forcing you to be in this world. You didn't come here voluntarily but if you choose to take yourself out, by all means feel free. Just try not to take anyone else with you or leave a huge mess to clean up.
No, no, no. The lack of the gun would guarantee a higher survival rate. People jump off bridges and survive all the time. They take pills and wake up in hospital. They run the car in the garage and someone finds them.
It is true that people who are determined to kill themselves will do so gun or not, but it is not true that most of the people who attempt suicide are in fact determined to do it. Most are acting on impulse. With a gun, that impulse is far more likely to result in suicide than without a gun.
pullling numbers out of my ass here, but this is the gist of it
Gun + impulse=95% success rate.
No gun + impulse=80% success rate.
15% of 30k plus people per year is a lot of lives.
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 24, 2013, 10:38:59 AMThat's some preposterous stuff, guys.
What's preposterous is guns for anyone and everyone, which is what we've got now thanks to the gun industry, and paranoid ignorant people who think their gun is what makes them free.
It's one or the other...wicked strict system for controlling guns--fascist as you would call it--or dead kids on the regular. Seems to me that dead kids is a price that gun lovers are willing to pay so they can cling to the frontier fiction of their gun keeping the wolves at bay.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 24, 2013, 10:44:50 AM
Seems to me that dead kids is a price that gun lovers are willing to pay so they can cling to the frontier fiction of their gun keeping the wolves at bay.
yup, what's a few dead kids as long as we have our walmart assault rifles to shoot at unmanned drones in the event our government turns on us
Quote from: Diomedes on January 24, 2013, 10:44:50 AM
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 24, 2013, 10:38:59 AMThat's some preposterous stuff, guys.
What's preposterous is guns for anyone and everyone, which is what we've got now thanks to the gun industry, and paranoid ignorant people who think their gun is what makes them free.
It's one or the other...wicked strict system for controlling guns--fascist as you would call it--or dead kids on the regular. Seems to me that dead kids is a price that gun lovers are willing to pay so they can cling to the frontier fiction of their gun keeping the wolves at bay.
My point is that going after the guns is fruitless and wasteful. The government must go after the system of purchasing guns, acquiring licenses, etc... And make efforts to go through the backlog of crazies who already own or have access to guns. Also, the penalties should be absolutely prohibitive for any mishandling of a gun whatsoever. I don't care if it's an "accident"... If someone shoots YOUR GUN somewhere they shouldn't, YOU go to jail. Period.
Start with the penalties for gun crimes, and work backwards. Put more people in jail for misuse of guns and fewer people in jail for drugs and prostitution, etc. No fanfare or hero worship for surviving gun criminals... Make their asses anonymous.
Seriously, write this down.
Hey, sign me up for that..it would be a huge improvement.
But nothing would beat doing what Australia did, and I'd gladly turn in my gun if everyone else had to do it as well.
The real question is "when will Walmart start carrying stinger missiles?"
Btw, what is up with the repeated things I keep seeing that Lanza didn't take the ar15 into the school?
http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495
Was this info debunked?
Quote from: Diomedes on January 24, 2013, 10:53:02 AM
Hey, sign me up for that..it would be a huge improvement.
But nothing would beat doing what Australia did, and I'd gladly turn in my gun if everyone else had to do it as well.
Define the term in bold, and we might be getting somewhere.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on January 24, 2013, 10:56:13 AMThe real question is "when will Walmart start carrying stinger missiles?"
It's a good rhetorical question. I repeat from before: why doesn't the NRA try to get machine guns legalized?
The arguments they are using to defend all other weapons would work just as well for machine guns and rocket launchers.
So what is it about those weapons that they don't protect our rights to own them?
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 24, 2013, 11:00:18 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on January 24, 2013, 10:53:02 AM
Hey, sign me up for that..it would be a huge improvement.
But nothing would beat doing what Australia did, and I'd gladly turn in my gun if everyone else had to do it as well.
Define the term in bold, and we might be getting somewhere.
the same people who turned in all their machine guns
Quote from: Diomedes on January 24, 2013, 10:53:02 AM
Hey, sign me up for that..it would be a huge improvement.
But nothing would beat doing what Australia did, and I'd gladly turn in my gun if everyone else had to do it as well.
I would as well. Don't get me wrong.....the world would certainly be a safer place without a single gun in it. I won't argue that point with you at all. But that wouldn't necessarily make it better because the amount of violent acts wouldn't change, only the fallout. You'd still have crazies out there with knifes and crossbows running amuck. The death toll goes down but the number of incidents remains the same. It's not really solving the problem, it's just making it more palatable to deal with.
And since it's impossible to round up every gun in existence while simultaneously halting the production of guns around the world, we might as well focus more on the cause for violence rather than the tool used to carry it out.
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 24, 2013, 11:00:18 AMDefine the term in bold, and we might be getting somewhere.
In this scenario, everyone means everyone. Every single person residing in the country.
People authorized to carry weapons as part of their job--cops, FBI agents, etc--carry only while on the job. Anyone else caught with a gun goes to jail for long long time.
Twenty or fifty years of that and gun violence in America is a relic of the bad old days.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 24, 2013, 11:05:17 AM
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 24, 2013, 11:00:18 AMDefine the term in bold, and we might be getting somewhere.
In this scenario, everyone means everyone. Every single person residing in the country.
People authorized to carry weapons as part of their job--cops, FBI agents, etc--carry only while on the job. Anyone else caught with a gun goes to jail for long long time.
Twenty or fifty years of that and gun violence in America is a relic of the bad old days.
Nope, still not quite there. I'm busy for the rest of the day. Sarge has the con.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 24, 2013, 11:04:01 AM...because the amount of violent acts wouldn't change, only the fallout. You'd still have crazies out there with knifes and crossbows running amuck. The death toll goes down but the number of incidents remains the same...
Au contraire mon frere. Any coward can point a gun at someone....it takes actual balls to knife someone, or beat 'em with a bat. Violence as an idea is constant in humanity, sure, but incidence of violence is not constant. Elimination of guns would not result in an epidemic of stabbings and beatings. There would just be a lot less violence, because it would be much harder to accomplish.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 24, 2013, 11:04:01 AMAnd since it's impossible to round up every gun in existence while simultaneously halting the production of guns around the world, we might as well focus more on the cause for violence rather than the tool used to carry it out.
I reject the idea that it's impossible to purge guns from a society. It is, strictly speaking, perfectly possible, and it has been done. Sure, it won't happen, but that's a different subject.
I could give a shtein why people are violent, what I want is to make it far more difficult for violent people to kill. And no guns=no gun deaths. So there.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 24, 2013, 11:04:01 AM
And since it's impossible to round up every gun in existence while simultaneously halting the production of guns around the world, we might as well focus more on the cause for violence rather than the tool used to carry it out.
if you could show me some numbers...perhaps from other countries....that less guns doesnt mean less murder then i might agree with this...but a fight or argument without a gun will end better than one with a gun...same with a burglary...a car jacking....a home invasion...its to easy to kill people with a gun they are scarily efficient
Quote from: Diomedes on January 24, 2013, 11:12:30 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 24, 2013, 11:04:01 AM...because the amount of violent acts wouldn't change, only the fallout. You'd still have crazies out there with knifes and crossbows running amuck. The death toll goes down but the number of incidents remains the same...
Au contraire mon frere. Any coward can point a gun at someone....it takes actual balls to knife someone, or beat 'em with a bat. Violence as an idea is constant in humanity, sure, but incidence of violence is not constant. Elimination of guns would not result in an epidemic of stabbings and beatings. There would just be a lot less violence, because it would be much harder to accomplish.
I'll give you that. Whether or not the decrease in overall violence is tremendous or minimal, the guy shooting up a school or mall probably won't attempt it with a knife. So no guns would def = no mass killings. But I don't know if there would be a significant decline in "one-on-one crimes" that involve guns. Would there be a substantial drop in the number of home invasions, rapes, gang wars, crimes of passion, etc? Maybe. But won't say for certain one way or the other. But I do think that 2 drunks having an argument will still result in death or serious injury with or without a gun. I think a guy still kills his cheating wife and her lover with or without a gun. The numbers likely would decrease, but it still doesn't address the real problem, imo.
Also, this is Uhmer'ca. Speak English, commie.
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Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 24, 2013, 11:04:01 AMAnd since it's impossible to round up every gun in existence while simultaneously halting the production of guns around the world, we might as well focus more on the cause for violence rather than the tool used to carry it out.
I reject the idea that it's impossible to purge guns from a society. It is, strictly speaking, perfectly possible, and it has been done. Sure, it won't happen, but that's a different subject.
What society has successfully purged guns? Australia might have laws prohibiting them, but they haven't purged anything.
QuoteI could give a shtein why people are violent, what I want is to make it far more difficult for violent people to kill. And no guns=no gun deaths. So there.
lol. I won't argue the logic. I feel the same way. But I'd still rather address the roots of violence rather than focus solely on the means.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2013, 11:17:05 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 24, 2013, 11:04:01 AM
And since it's impossible to round up every gun in existence while simultaneously halting the production of guns around the world, we might as well focus more on the cause for violence rather than the tool used to carry it out.
if you could show me some numbers...perhaps from other countries....that less guns doesnt mean less murder then i might agree with this
Central and South America skew the numbers way away from that. The countries with the most guns are the US, Serbia, Yemen, France, and Germany. The countries with the highest murder rates are Honduras, El Salvador, Ivory Coast, Jamaica, Venezuela, and Belieze. All the countries with the guns are in the middle of the pack as far as murder rates go.
Some day
we'll all everyone but MDS will tell their grandchildren where they were the day IGY was right.
Can anyone give a convincing argument as to why weapons such as MAC-10's should be legal?
Because someone out there has MAC-7's and we all know that 7-8-9?
Has it been mentioned that the killer at Sandy Hook decided against using the AR-15?
Left it in his trunk.
So, again... Whether you are "pro-gun" or "anti-gun," these proposals are a waste of government funds and a red herring. We should demand better.
Don't know if that was mentioned here, but I know I saw that tidbit elsewhere. Should also be noted that he tried to purchase a rifle about a week before the shooting and was denied.
Not sure if this would be overreach or not, but it may not be a bad idea to have a red flag pop up somewhere when a person is denied a gun. Maybe it's just me but it seems like a good idea to look into why a person was denied the gun and why an unqualified person was trying to buy in the first place.
Snopes says that he used the AR. The false report was by NBC following the aftermath, when bad info was leaked. Press didnt understand the difference between the gun in the trunk, and the AR involved. http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Sandy-Hook-Gunman-Had-4-Guns-State-Police-188031071.html
Though this is the first time i've heard that he had a Saiga
So, he didn't even have one. Right.
Great work by our government reacting to this incident with laws that make no sense instead of laws that actually might work.
have fun at militia practice this weekend
It's called the militia prayer circle jerk. Get it right.
i would go to that...you know, for research
Be dismissive all you like. The laws I would propose would be much more restrictive and reduce the number of guns in circulation infinitely better than the ones proposed.
You guys aren't really nice people. Maybe work on that.
I like the laws that you've proposed and have said so repeatedly. That doesn't mean that the laws being proposed don't also have value.
Regardless, mocking is more or less all I do on the internets so, no, I won't be working on that. Praying to sweet baby jebus and gun-nuttery tend to go hand in hand and I think you'd have a hard time disagreeing with that.
They don't. In fact the gentleman who taught me my concealed carry class, one Russell Smith, is an athiest.
While this link is attempting to solely blame Obama for the following numbers, the numbers are still correct:
The trend of our government and some really scary numbers (http://waysandmeans.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=317292)
This is why legislation like this is more hurtful than helpful. Throwing away government funds on largely ineffective legislation instead of truly attacking the roots of the problem is exactly the standard cop-out that our elected officials regularly take. How much longer are we going to accept mediocrity?
Considering the definition of mediocrity, probably indefinitely.
High five!
I don't own gun(s) but could readily borrow or steal several from many friends. I'm not sure what's involved with the President's proposal/edict/whatever 'cause I really don't give a farg...mandate every citizen is given at least a handgun and a 6 pack when they turn 18 as far as I care. That being said, I don't understand how there can be any opposition to limiting clip sizes...seems like an easy way to reduce body counts when a person decides to shoot a shtein ton of people.
What's concerning is gun control (which is such a vague term, people can't be sure they're even talking about the same thing when arguing about it) does absolutely nothing to address the root cause: crazy motherfargers. Probably even before the icehole at Kent State, people have liked to prove their mental instability by shooting as many people they've never met as they can. I guaranmotherfargingtee there's an inverse relationship between state funded mental hospitals closing and increasing mass shooting occurrences.
This point was discussed immediately after Sandy Hook but seems to be largely ignored now.
Also, if you wanna get pissed off or worried about government tyranny, get pissed off about the Patriot Act. The revocation of due process is far more dangerous to the citizenry than an "infringement" of your antiquated second amendment rights.
Reducing clip sizes is not smart, as magazines are not complicated and can be relatively easily "home made." So, again it is an issue of telling would-be "good guys" returning fire to be under-manned while someone with bad intentions could easily arm up.
Also, like the other proposals, it's relatively arbitrary and just means school shooters will bring more loaded mags with them. It takes a skilled person about 1 second to drop out an empty and pop in a new one. But I'm sure the hero unarmed Principal would totally tackle the assailant in that time frame.
How many less rounds does that mean are fired if it takes a second or two to drop and pop a new clip? Add the seconds up and maybe two, three, or more people are able to either escape or manage not to get shot. Seems like these mass shooters are getting these guns and accessories through convenience, and not modifying the clips to hold 100 rounds instead of 30.
Does it seem that way?
The point can be further extended. If guns are too hard to use, they'll just put a bomb in the school or set it on fire.
People are the problem, and while guns by design are meant for harm, they are largely a red herring in how to keep America safer.
you can't control people...you can control the methods they use to hurt other people.
red herring, lol
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 25, 2013, 01:00:15 PM
Does it seem that way?
The point can be further extended. If guns are too hard to use, they'll just put a bomb in the school or set it on fire.
People are the problem, and while guns by design are meant for harm, they are largely a red herring in how to keep America safer.
Excellent point....make it so farging difficult to fire a gun, people have to take an extensive and expensive training class in order to shoot shtein. Also mandate all new guns manufactured must have fingerprint reading technology in order to fire.
Quote from: SunMo on January 25, 2013, 01:03:17 PM
you can't control people...you can control the methods they use to hurt other people.
red herring, lol
Look, you just chime in with a brief and semi-witty anti-gun talking point and clearly don't care to broaden yourself, so I'm not going to engage any further.
In the long term, you'll be more successful in life being less of a prick.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
you are talking to an avowed govt hater....black helicopters and shtein....there is no reasoning with people like that
Wrong. I am not an anarchist. I believe a strong and efficient Federal government is vital to a civilized America. But the government that employs you has become something else.
no you dont...thats your speak because its makes you seem reasonable and "centrist" so then when you drop your right wing idiocy you can point to that as a reason you arent a loon
smart but also transparant and a classic right wing technique
if it was up to you youd choke the life out of government especially most if not all taxes
You're absolutely wrong, as you often are.
not this time....ive had my eye on you (and many other zealots for a loooooong time)
you are par for the course...almost a protoype
We should really try to be nicer to each other.
lol it's raining gumdrops and lollipops
Quote from: Rome on January 25, 2013, 02:16:35 PM
We should really try to be nicer to each other.
mlk tried that and they killed him
with a gun? but ff's nra buddies told me mlk was pro-gun
We're really hippoing it up today, aren't we?
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 25, 2013, 11:07:48 AM
Be dismissive all you like. The laws I would propose would be much more restrictive and reduce the number of guns in circulation infinitely better than the ones proposed.
You guys aren't really nice people. Maybe work on that.
Yes, they would, but the NRA/right wing would flip a shtein at the types of ideas you and others have proposed here. They'd see it as an even bigger infringement on the 2nd amendment than what's being proposed. That's why it doesn't get done.
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 25, 2013, 12:47:45 PM
Reducing clip sizes is not smart, as magazines are not complicated and can be relatively easily "home made." So, again it is an issue of telling would-be "good guys" returning fire to be under-manned while someone with bad intentions could easily arm up.
Also, like the other proposals, it's relatively arbitrary and just means school shooters will bring more loaded mags with them. It takes a skilled person about 1 second to drop out an empty and pop in a new one. But I'm sure the hero unarmed Principal would totally tackle the assailant in that time frame.
Pretty sure the Virginia Tech shooter was taken down because he had to stop to reload.
How sure? And how many fewer people would have died if his mags had lower capacity?
One example answers. Winning arguments since never.
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 25, 2013, 04:48:01 PM
How sure? And how many fewer people would have died if his mags had lower capacity?
One example answers. Winning arguments since never.
I feel pretty confident in saying that other shooters have also been taken down whilst having to stop to reload.
Also, saying "a really skilled person can do it in less than a second!" isn't exactly a winning argument either.
Do you even listen to your own thoughts?
Make more sense.
I think those two posts are pretty clear and easy to read, Adam.
I'm sorry I can't do that, Dave.
(http://www.crankydriver.com/blog/images/Rants/hal-9000-eye.jpg)
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 25, 2013, 04:57:25 PM
Do you even listen to your own thoughts?
Make more sense.
as much as i hate your guts even me and you can agree on the fact that white trash munson is one of the dumber human beings on earth
And when you're in agreement with IGY, you are a winner
I wish CF was a physical place and the next mass shooting occurred there.
Quote from: Dillen on January 25, 2013, 11:15:53 PM
I wish CF was a physical place and the next mass shooting occurred there.
not me
Quote from: Dillen on January 25, 2013, 11:15:53 PM
I wish CF was a physical place and the next mass shooting occurred there.
Ha!
Does Fatal-Combat not count?
dook said the gun was unloaded when he checked it earlier in the week and he didnt know who would have loaded it....also this genius who shot himself with a gun that he didnt think was loaded had ANOTHER loaded gun for sale at the time
GUNS!!
MA!
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20130125/NEWS/130125040/Accidental-shooting-reported-at-Des-Moines-gun-show
south jerz represent
http://www.nj.com/salem/index.ssf/2013/01/man_shot_in_abdomen_in_carneys.html
gun fail i think
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/neighborhoods-east/two-would-be-robbers-wounded-in-penn-hills-home-invastion-672083/
it was either a bicycle or a skunk....i couldnt really tell
GUNS!!
http://newstrib.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=27&ArticleID=26068
get out of my house...or ill shoot at you and miss....and hit my own son instead!
http://newstrib.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=27&ArticleID=26068
i love reading about gun accidents....its always "the gun fired" or the "gun went off".....stupid guns
Hah...and the same people who's unloaded guns accidentally go off are the same ones saying guns don't kill people, people kill people
ROMEY!
DUCK
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/local/all-curbs-lifted-on-backyard-gun-shots-in-florida/nT7gK/
responsible gun owner murders microwave
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu4r456waYY&feature=youtu.be
Why shouldn't this person face a mandatory five years in prison?
i dont disagree but youd need your own seperate industrial prison complex just for these dopes
the US needs a madagascar where we can send them all
I thought that was Gitmo.
We have the largest prison capacity of any country in the world. Of most of them combined, actually. It's just a matter of who you want to put into them. Corner boys and potheads or dangerous gun criminals.
lol @ "the dangers of celebratory gunfire"
how about the dangers of guns?
GUNS!!!
http://www2.tbo.com/news/south-shore-news/2012/dec/27/4/mother-of-celebratory-gunfire-victim-spreads-aware-ar-592691/
residents had the gall to "complain" about bullets whizzing thru their yard
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/os-lk-stray-bullets-leslie-campione-20130124,0,3720604.story
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 27, 2013, 01:44:45 PM
i dont disagree but youd need your own seperate industrial prison complex just for these dopes
the US needs a madagascar where we can send them all
why not Austrailia, those Hoydas don't even have guns.
And here's an idea. Legalize weed, let anyone locked up for bullshtein possession and distribution charges out, Space found.
no one gets locked up for weed anymore...unless you are runnin around with a few pounds....that storyline is way over played these days
Yeah, I also think the sentences are fairly minimal as well. Granted, it still needs to stop but it's not like we have a problem with prisons being overpopulated with pot heads and corner boys. The biggest waste is time/money spent busting and prosecuting them.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 27, 2013, 03:48:19 PM
no one gets locked up for weed anymore...unless you are runnin around with a few pounds....that storyline is way over played these days
http://marijuana-arrests.com/nyc-pot-arrest-docs.html
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 27, 2013, 03:52:41 PM... it's not like we have a problem with prisons being overpopulated with pot heads and corner boys....
You are mistaken. These are exactly the people who are filling our prisons.
"Real Americans" whose kid accidentally shoots herself and white collar thieves walk, corner boys hustling for grandma's grocery money CUFF 'EM.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 27, 2013, 03:48:19 PM
no one gets locked up for weed anymore...unless you are runnin around with a few pounds....that storyline is way over played these days
Seabiscuit's link illustrated how marijuana laws are racially enforced in the form of arrests only. This link (http://drugsense.org/blog/drug-policy/marijuana-prisoners) shows 55% of federal inmates are in prison for violating a drug law.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 28, 2013, 07:45:36 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 27, 2013, 03:52:41 PM... it's not like we have a problem with prisons being overpopulated with pot heads and corner boys....
You are mistaken. These are exactly the people who are filling our prisons.
"Real Americans" whose kid accidentally shoots herself and white collar thieves walk, corner boys hustling for grandma's grocery money CUFF 'EM.
They may be filling out the prisons but they aren't the bulk of the population. Maybe your "hard drug" dealers or users like coke, heroin, etc, make up a significant portion of the prison pop, but Joe Pothead isn't taking up much space in C block.
Agree on the white collar criminals and such though.
55% of what, 2 million?
In other words, we don't have to argue this point any longer. Capacity is not the issue.
2 million is about right (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States), but that includes the county lockup too.
No potheads or cornerboys in there. [/Sassy]
Anyone who thinks that the prison population isn't wildly overrepresented by drug and non-violent offenders hasn't spent any time reading up on the topic.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 28, 2013, 08:50:40 AM
Anyone who thinks that the prison population isn't wildly overrepresented by drug and non-violent offenders hasn't spent any time reading up on the topic.
Why read? IGY knows.
does it EVER happen?....im sure
but by and large people arent going to prison for selling nickel bags of weed....much less it being some epidemic like a lot of people think
Get popped for selling dime bags three times and see if you don't do time. In some places, lots of time.
pretty awesome
http://blogs.tcpalm.com/off_the_beat_will_greenlee_blog/2011/05/st-lucie-county-woman-apparently-shoots-rifle-at-target-in-bedroom-closet-and-misses-nails-washing-m.html
shut up you sonless socialist scumbag!!
http://hypervocal.com/news/2013/newtown-victim-father-heckled/
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 29, 2013, 10:38:45 AM
shut up you sonless socialist scumbag!!
http://hypervocal.com/news/2013/newtown-victim-father-heckled/
That sickens me.
Each one of those people who heckled that guy deserve to have the shtein beaten out of them. Man or woman.
Wow. NRA creeping up on Westboro as most despicable organization.
hello 911?...this intruder took me by complete suprise....i gotta go now im gonna shoot him in a few minutes
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Police-Homeowner-shoots-kills-prowler-in-Vancouver-188841621.html?tab=video&c=y
I'm sure that without a gun, this guy would have found some other way to kill this poor cuban farg.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/29/georgia-man-guns-down-immigrant-after-gps-sends-him-to-wrong-driveway/
QuoteSchool bus driver shot, 6-year-old taken hostage ..
9:05 PM
A driver of a school bus in Dale County was shot several times, and a 6-year-old student passenger has been taken as a hostage by the suspected shooter near Midland City.
Police report that the incident happened at approximately 3:36 p.m. Tuesday when the suspect demanded the driver to let a student off the bus. When the driver refused, the suspect boarded the bus, shot the driver before taking the child and fleeing the scene.
Law enforcement officials are currently negotiating with the suspect who took the child to an area behind Destiny Church.
We'll continue to follow this story and provide updates as information is made available.
Update:
ABC 33/40 has learned that the bus driver has died from gunshot wounds sustained during the incident.
Girl who performed at Obama inaugural events slain on South Side (http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/544/article/p2p-74207742/)
Slain is so sensational.
http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2013/01/poll-67-percent-of-texas-republicans-want-to-impeach-obama/
http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/20130130phoenix-multiple-injuries-shooting-abrk.html?nclick_check=1
kid turned into the wrong driveway but dont worry responsible gun killed him
http://nbclatino.com/2013/01/29/georgia-man-shoots-and-kills-young-latino-who-accidentally-pulled-into-his-driveway-police-say/
^^^^ six posts before this says "hi"
So maybe this thread should be re-named to something a little more fitting. The 'Every Gun Incident in America' thread, perhaps?
Nah, I rather like the RSS feed it's become because it helps to illustrate that what's going on in America is one great big extended mass shooting.
The Mass of Shootings in the US Thread.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 30, 2013, 05:38:37 PM
Nah, I rather like the RSS feed it's become because it helps to illustrate that what's going on in America is one great big extended mass shooting.
especially now during the raging gun control debate and the intergalatic stupidity of the nra and their dickless leader
btwn lindsay graham lapierre and that stupid bitch the hearings yesterday were a god damn travesty
QuoteYour daily dose of law abiding gun violence.
http://accidentalgunshots.tumblr.com/
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iyuAXFakTmhjdL3m5W61VjTjqQaA?docId=CNG.b551284ac6589b5a9b0bc67733452b5e.141
http://americablog.com/2013/01/idaho-gun-nut-lawmakers-freak-out-over-gun-nut-in-the-state-capitol-even-though-guns-are-permitted.html
That's awesome. I'm pretty much at the point where I'm going to jump sides when it comes to carrying permits. I'm still in favor of people being able to own guns but I'm pretty much against anyone carrying them in public other than law enforcement type people.
I'm also in favor of holding 2nd Amendment supporters to the standard set in the Bill of Rights.
QuoteA well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
"well regulated" can basically be broken down into 3 things:
1. A National Registration database that encompasses all gun sales and registrations (to include background checks, mental health, competancy, etc, etc....bascially all the other shtein that has been said in the no hippo thread)
2. Required "license renewal." You own a gun, you need to renew your license every X amount of years just like a driver's license except that you need to continuously demonstrate that you meet the minimum standards for ownership. Fail any portion of that and your guns are taken until you can prove you are not a liability.
3. Higher standards of accountability when your gun is used in a crime or "accidental" injury/death of another person.
"militia, being necessary to the security of a free state"
Owning enough weapons to arm a small army does not constitute a militia. You want to own guns, then join an organized, well regulated militia.....aka....the National Guard, or any other state approved militia. Any militia can receive a state sanctioned "charter" upon application so long as they meet certain criteria. Personally owned weapons may be transported (safely and securely) to and from militia sanctioned events.
But yeah, there's absolutely no reason at all for everyday people to be walking around the streets with guns, especially when most have little to no training. There's a reason why cops and military spend hours and hours in classes that strictly revolve around Deadly Force and Escalation of Force. So unless the general public is going to be required to receive the same amount of training as cops and soldiers, then they really don't have any business walking around with shotguns and 6 shooters.
QuoteYou want to own guns, then join an organized, well regulated militia.....aka....the National Guard, or any other state approved militia. Any militia can receive a state sanctioned "charter" upon application so long as they meet certain criteria.
problem here is that when the 2nd amendment was written it was to protect ones state from a foreign govt....now its to protect ones self from their own government....
thus theres no way they are going to join a govt regulated militia because the govt is the reason they are stock piling military weapons in the first place
be proud gun nuts...
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/2013/01/22/mallick_why_newtown_victim_noah_pozner_had_an_open_coffin.html
Wait. Bullets tear flesh and bone apart? Now I'm anti guns
protecting the family:
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/10654311/
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20130211_Shots_fired_in_Wilmington_courthouse__injuries_reported.html
ho-hum...another public mass shooting.
i think we need armed guards in courthouses.....oh wait
Not even 10 minutes from where I live. And apparently I'm hearing someone else brought a gun into the middle school I attended (and now sometimes sub at) today. Haven't been able to find anything confirming that though.
You don't know what you're hearing?
You don't know what you're hearing!
oscar pistroius...the south afican one legged runner...shot his girlfriend dead because he mistook her for an intruder
GUNS!!
An intruder. I buy that. Sure. Will the police?
Quote from: MDS on February 14, 2013, 02:32:36 AM
oscar pistroius...the south afican one legged runner...shot his girlfriend dead because he mistook her for an intruder
GUNS!!
Charged with murder.
if anyone should have a gun to protect themselves it would be a legless person....im ok with this
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 14, 2013, 08:25:59 AM
if anyone should have a gun to protect themselves it would be a legless person....im ok with this
Really, how many years have people pointed out how unsuccessful one legged men are at ass kicking?
Wasn't in the US, though. So, that's refreshing.
Preposterous! Gun crime happens in the US only.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 14, 2013, 08:25:59 AM
if anyone should have a gun to protect themselves it would be a legless person....im ok with this
anyone living in south africa should have a gun
In fact, he should have a sawn off shotgun in his prosthetic leg.
there was a history of domestic abuse in that house
good thing he had a gun handy
(http://cbsseattle.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/oscar-pistorius.jpg)
Is that really from his website or is this just something the internet made up?
From his website. Which took it down.
two armed cats come to shoot a 3rd dood
dood takes off running
in the chase one bad guy accidentally shoots the other
all brought to you by GUNS
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/2-critically-injured-during-dispute/nWQ2Q/
great long read to go with your sunday morning joe mimosa screwdriver
or forty
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/police-families-cope-cop-killers-aftermath
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/487948_10200703907220522_1070360225_n.jpg)
you still use internet explorer? OF COURSE YOU DO
i think thats funny but i dont know why
If you used Firefox or Chrome you would.
i think those are internet avenues......of which i have no problem accessing
Looks like you got the Dell working...
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on February 17, 2013, 05:36:07 PM
Looks like you got the Dell working...
nope....i looked into getting the discs you talked about but you have to give way more information than i am willing to do to get them....i need a downlow fix
IE is a horrible browser...chrome is vastly superior
the only other person i know who uses IE is my ex boss--an obsese life long texan who worships jesus, nascar, soccer and fast food. so besides terrible eating habits, the only other parallel is that youre both very ignorant and stubborn. i think i found something here.
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on February 17, 2013, 05:36:07 PM
Looks like you got the Dell working...
Looks like an HP in the pic to me.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 17, 2013, 05:46:47 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on February 17, 2013, 05:36:07 PM
Looks like you got the Dell working...
Looks like an HP in the pic to me.
thats my working computer
the dell is the one im trying to get up and running
Quote from: MDS on February 17, 2013, 05:43:45 PM
IE is a horrible browser...chrome is vastly superior
the only other person i know who uses IE is my ex boss--an obsese life long texan who worships jesus, nascar, soccer and fast food. so besides terrible eating habits, the only other parallel is that youre both very ignorant and stubborn. i think i found something here.
I switched to Chrome a year or so ago and it's decent. Was using Mozilla but I kept getting these annoying add ons.
I've had Chrome for probably 3 or 4 years. It's awesome and my life is infinitely better because of it.
I use Firefox because Google is the Devil. I mean, I use Google every day of my life, but still... THE DEVIL.
I use IE - mostly because I just don't give a farg. Use it at school (no choice, can't download anything else), and haven't bothered to download Chrome or Firefox because, well, I just don't give a farg.
I use chrome but it sucks as much ass as the other ones. All of them freeze on me. They all suck. farg browsers.
If they're all freezing, the problem is you and I'm going to assume the 7,000 little programs launching on startup you've installed or let get installed by other things.
Download CCleaner to clear out all browser caches, locate and fix registry errors, and easily see/modify which programs are opening on startup.
This is my old apartment complex when I lived with baby's momma:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/50863986/ns/local_news-philadelphia_pa/t/gunman-apartment-fires-shots-police-cops/#.USQ3RqWfjop
We know it's not you because the shooter let the woman go unharmed.
What an idiot, you always keep a hostage for negotiating leverage
Not to mention raping.
wrong guy
An elderly person was killed during the crossfire. Pretty sure she was killed from a police bullet. Dude gave himself up. It started out as a domestic dispute.
trained cops arent very good with guns therefore i think we should make sure as many untrained people in the country have them (just stay out of the room when they are being cleaned)
http://www.salon.com/2013/02/16/lapds_indefensible_dorner_pursuit/
i didnt think it was loaded....bro
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/feb/22/man-charged-after-accidentally-shooting-brother-bu/
protecting the family
(knock knock)
whos there
aw nevermind BAM! BAM! BAM!
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20130223_Off-duty_Camden_officer_shoots_autistic_man__caretaker.html
You're doing it wrong.
Knock knock
Who's there?
Amy Fisher
Amy Fish...
BANG!!
taco 'responsible gun owner fail' bell
http://www.ktvb.com/news/regional/192029721.html
MIT Says There's a Shooter on the Loose and an Officer Down on Campus (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/theres-shooter-loose-and-officer-down-mit/64379/)
Apparently two middle eastern males have carjacked a Mercedes and are involved in a chase close by.
Now reports of explosions and grenades being set off
are these clowns connected to the marathon bombings?
theres another suspect at the hospital from before who is now dead
this shtein is cray
This almost feels like the Joker is behind all of this.
They said two suspect names on the BPD scanner, one of them was in fact the missing student from Brown University, which is the one they're currently still trying to find
For the bombing or the shooting?
Good, one useless excuse for life down, one to go.
Damn, that last picture released of the two ballsacks standing next to each other at the marathon was amazingly clear.
the other one is in a building or something...hopefully they get him alive
this shtein is crazy. apparenly this is white hat guy.
Is that an Eagles symbol on his hat?
looks like it. but i just saw a new picture of the guy though and looks nothing like this kid.
yeah nm thats not the kid...don't trust the internet. apparently it's two chechnyan brothers.
you gotta give this kid massive props for still being on the lam...absolutely amazing job
I'm actually far more impressed with law enforcement's ability to track these two down so quickly. I was assuming it would be weeks or months before they turned up if they were ever located.
the minute pictures went up they were done
i think its absoluetly incredible that this 19 year old kid has somehow not just survived multiple car chases and shootouts but still hasnt been caught by the god knows how many different law enforecement agencies and personnel that are after him
its like the action movie where you say "no way would he have gotten away there" except this is real life and he did
well they live in cambridge and their pictures were everywhere and they stuck around. and they decided to rob a 7/11 and kill a cop.
probably weren't too hard to find.
i can't stop watching and listening...been up since 4. should think about going to work soon.
http://tunein.com/radio/Boston-Police-Fire-and-EMS-Scanner-s146109/
http://www1.whdh.com/video/7newslive
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2013, 08:43:07 AM
the minute pictures went up they were done
i think its absoluetly incredible that this 19 year old kid has somehow not just survived multiple car chases and shootouts but still hasnt been caught by the god knows how many different law enforecement agencies and personnel that are after him
its like the action movie where you say "no way would he have gotten away there" except this is real life and he did
It's like the last episode I ever watched of the Following when their house is surrounded by cops/FBI/swat and they still somehow manage to get away.
a few minutes ago some cop on the scanner named kevin was like "hey guys i'm out for the weekend." other dudes were like "have a good weekend kevin."
so funny.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/04/boston-bombing-suspect-posted-video-al-qaeda-prophecy-youtube
Quote from: phattymatty on April 19, 2013, 08:44:11 AM
well they live in cambridge and their pictures were everywhere and they stuck around. and they decided to rob a 7/11 and kill a cop.
probably weren't too hard to find.
Yes. I wasn't really counting on historic levels of careless stupidity on their part.
Aren't angry religious teenagers just the best?
Sounds more like the older brother was a "Loser"(Uncles words), and that they think he brought his younger brother into the fold. The 19year old was a normal hs student according to classmates. Talk about a study of the impacts of a childhood with no morals about terrorism.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 19, 2013, 08:40:05 AM
I'm actually far more impressed with law enforcement's ability to track these two down so quickly. I was assuming it would be weeks or months before they turned up if they were ever located.
Felt the same way here. Thought we may never know and these guys would have got away scott free. Scary.
Quote from: hbionic on April 19, 2013, 11:18:39 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 19, 2013, 08:40:05 AM
I'm actually far more impressed with law enforcement's ability to track these two down so quickly. I was assuming it would be weeks or months before they turned up if they were ever located.
Felt the same way here. Thought we may never know and these guys would have got away scott free. Scary.
no chance we werent going to find out who they were and quickly
catching them was another story....but more than likely in this day and age you arent walking into the middle of a major us city dropping a couple bombs and not getting caught in a relatively short period of time
the fact that they were domestic increased the chances ten fold
bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, became an American Citizen on Sept. 11, 2012
this is all horrible obviously but this 19 year old escaping like 2000 cops and FBI agents is amazing shtein.
Sounds like they think he was shot or injured based on blood. Wonder if he's just laying somewhere under a porch.
this whole rooskie family needs a reality show
the aunt and the uncle holy hell. gold jerry gold
they really are awsome. Both uncles
I thought the uncle's comment about the kid having a bright future if he turned himself in was hilarious.
the father said something like "just turn yourself in and come back to russia"
What does Arkansas State Rep Nate Bell think about this?
(http://media.tumblr.com/ad9fd859883fbb5d7471a33971d952ca/tumblr_inline_mlinm6g3qW1qawfnh.png)
I laughed
Quote from: General_Failure on April 19, 2013, 03:25:26 PM
What does Arkansas State Rep Nate Bell think about this?
(http://media.tumblr.com/ad9fd859883fbb5d7471a33971d952ca/tumblr_inline_mlinm6g3qW1qawfnh.png)
redneck troglodyte already apologized...its makes me sad that any of these people get elected but they actually make up a majority in the house...i hate this country
How many points would this kid have on GTA right now?
He got to a 6 star wanted level pretty fast, without using a cheat code
If he's not dead in a hole somewhere, and causes further mayhem, he will become one of the most notorious sonsofbitches in generations. Chris Dorner who?
Haha...I was thinking the same thing earlier. This kid is making Dorner look like amateur hour.
ha wow these two just happened to be going to the 7-11 while someone else was robbing it last night.
what zesty luck.
It's amazing to think they had just bombed the marathon and they're going out and about showing their faces.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 19, 2013, 06:22:47 PM
It's amazing to think they had just bombed the marathon and they're going out and about showing their faces.
Maybe the mother was right
Shots fired, and now a source is telling a local Fox affiliate that a "suspect is down"
Apparently, FBI went to search a boat that had blood on it in somebody's back yard, and shots rang out
Stay in ban lifted.
Immediately after gunshot and year gas lobbed into a boat on a trailer.
Take him alive!!
yeah i want him alive so bad but im betting he shot himself
My guess will be that he's strapped with some kind of explosive and will try to take as many with him as he can.
I think the chances to get him alive are probably slim.
They're saying he's still alive right now....
holy shtein that cat is dead after that barrage
Keep him alive to zip the conspiracy theorists up. I'm sick of every event being turned into one.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 19, 2013, 07:58:31 PM
Keep him alive to zip the conspiracy theorists up. I'm sick of every event being turned into one.
Look at you, thinking conspiracy nuts will stop being nuts because of facts.
ha-just walked in and i come to a football website for the latest breaking news.
gotta love it. nice work
this kid isn't going to survive
Check out this crazy shtein. And donate.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/injured-man-who-helped-id-boston-suspects-is-uninsured-90358.html
Quote from: Diomedes on April 19, 2013, 08:22:16 PM
this kid isn't going to survive
im going the opposite from the reports. normal kid, popular, lots of friends, drug in by his brother--i say hes petrified to kill himself.
they want his ass alive in the worst way
theyve blasted like a hundred rounds into the boat and threw flash bombs that caused it to catch fire....dood is RIP
Quote from: reese125 on April 19, 2013, 08:16:49 PM
ha-just walked in and i come to a football website for the latest breaking news.
gotta love it. nice work
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I did the same thing...you get a better summary of events.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2013, 08:30:00 PM
theyve blasted like a hundred rounds into the boat and threw flash bombs that caused it to catch fire....dood is RIP
oh shtein--didnt know that
now they are saying the cops have asked him to come out with his hands up...so amazingly he seems to be alive.....maybe all those rounds werent fired directly into the boat or something
wow....they got em
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2013, 08:47:47 PM
wow....they got em
No way it's actually him. The real dude is already on a plane to Hawaai. Total cover up by Obama looking out for his Muslim brothers.
suspect #1
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/547115_10200984928215586_1551623960_n.jpg
pete williams just said one law enforcement agent told him thats its "absolutely unbelievable" that hes alive
i hope that doesnt mean hes not gonna make it
Quote from: SD on April 19, 2013, 08:50:40 PM
suspect #1
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/547115_10200984928215586_1551623960_n.jpg
Minor flesh wound. Total hoyda for dying.
i dont care if little dude was hiding in a row boat or not---these agents are farging ridiculously smart
my thought was he stole a car or something after his brother was shot and dipped out out in the middle of the night or he duck taped some poor elderly chick and was hiding out. the fact they knew he was in the perimeter the whole time regardless of time spent all day is unreal
Quote from: reese125 on April 19, 2013, 09:22:05 PMthe fact they knew he was in the perimeter the whole time regardless of time spent all day is unreal
only the best crooks are smarter than real cops
Longest Boston Marathon in history
Simply an amazing job by law enforcement.
Ok...someone bring me up to date...so they knew he was in the area all along?
arrest photo
http://i.imgur.com/hrrR7EU.jpg
http://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/super-page/lets-pray-this-motherfarger-lives/
spell out the f*cker in the link and its apparently a pic of old boy in the hosp
He's awake an communicating in writing right now, right?
Student wrongly tied to Boston bombings found dead (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/04/25/boston-bombing-social-media-student-brown-university-reddit/2112309/)
QuoteA body pulled from the water off Indian Point Park in Rhode Island has been identified as the Brown University student mistakenly linked by amateur sleuths on a social media site to the Boston bombings.
Health Department spokeswoman Dara Chadwick said Thursday that the body of Sunil Tripathi was identified through dental records.
It was not immediately clear when Tripathi, who was last seen March 15, died. The cause of death has also not been determined.
credit to usa today for noting that it was a few morons on the internet who said he was the bomber
i saw a couple articles on his death this morning and in either the headline or the byline it said "man wrongly identified as boston bomber...."....as if he was on the fbi 10 most wanted list much less ever officially identified as anything having to do with the boston attack....so annoying
No one officially admitted it, but I was listening to the police scanner during the initial outbreak of craziness last week and someone on there definitely said Sunil's name and said one of the suspects was him.
They say all kinds of crap on police channels...can't hold them to something like that.
Watch...they'll figure out that the kid was dead before the boston bombing occurred.
boston carjack victims story
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/25/carjack-victim-recounts-his-harrowing-night/FX6CAnypP1NbrMuPFb6zTM/story.html?s_campaign=sm_tw
http://www.khou.com/news/local/Shots-reportedly-fired-at-Bush-Intercontinental-Airport-205835961.html
i've thought about shooting myself at that airport many times. the worst and it's not even close.
I don't always bring a AK-47 to an airport, but when I do, I shoot it in the air, injure no one, then kill myself with a handgun.
Seriously people, don't you see the problem with the guns. The guns are making people do outrageous things. If you take away the guns. You are just going to force bombs to be the problem. Bombs are all innocent just minding their own business and you guys are like farg you bombs. Your going to do it. Bombs are like I don't wanna.
Seriously guys guns are the problem. This has nothing to do with humans. We are gods creation. We are perfect. Let's keep being perfect you guys. In the eyes of GOD. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :boom :boom :boom :boom
stalker? stillupfront? Is that you? How nice that you stayed away for so long. Please keep doing that.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 02, 2013, 04:11:13 PM
stalker? stillupfront? Is that you? How nice that you stayed away for so long. Please keep doing that.
You have no idea who I am. I shall come and go as I please. #instaban
I don't think Twitter hash tags work here, but that's okay because they don't really do much on Twitter either.
pro tip: I don't even have twitter.
That's not a pro tip, that's an uninteresting fact. You're not doing so well at this today.
Quote from: General_Failure on May 02, 2013, 05:44:59 PM
That's not a pro tip, that's an uninteresting fact. You're not doing so well at this today.
You got me there...., but you are not completely correct. It is actually an uninteresting fact in a pro-tip wrapper.
Quote from: Chameleon on May 02, 2013, 04:09:35 PM
I don't always bring a AK-47 to an airport, but when I do, I shoot it in the air, injure no one, then kill myself with a handgun.
Seriously people, don't you see the problem with the guns. The guns are making people do outrageous things. If you take away the guns. You are just going to force bombs to be the problem. Bombs are all innocent just minding their own business and you guys are like farg you bombs. Your going to do it. Bombs are like I don't wanna.
Seriously guys guns are the problem. This has nothing to do with humans. We are gods creation. We are perfect. Let's keep being perfect you guys. In the eyes of GOD. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :boom :boom :boom :boom
Let's get this thread back on line. Pro tip: make sure to look at the grain, adjust accordingly.
Just the tip?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/04/lapierre-how-many-bostonians-wish-they-had-a-gun-two-weeks-ago/
That corksucker LaPierre at it again
I too wonder how many of them wished they had guns while the police were in their neighborhoods in riot gear, nervous as hell, looking for a killer, and not very relaxed about seeing guns or hearing gunshots.
so everyone go out and buy a gun on the off chance you live in a neighborhood where a terrorist is going to be on the run from the fbi and police?
over 1000 people died from accidental gun deaths in the us last year....since 9/11 less than 30 americans have died from terrorism in the united states
i farging hate the nra with a passion
Don't bring a gun to a bomb fight.
Why doesn't the NRA advocate civilian possession of fully automatic machine guns and RPGs?
Because they are a bunch of second-amendment-hating Hoydas.
Quote from: Diomedes on May 04, 2013, 03:45:51 PM
Why doesn't the NRA advocate civilian possession of fully automatic machine guns and RPGs?
they should also be against background checks on terrorists
http://mobile.chron.com/chron/db_312284/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=gZ9NNtJX
Just another kid "accidentally" shooting another kid.
protecting the family
(http://mjcdn.motherjones.com/preset_51/child-gun-deaths-01_0.png)
At least a dozen people shot at at a Mother's Day parade in New Orleans.
https://vine.co/v/b0dVuFXIZaO
Brief video as the shooting started in NO.
Guns!!
Lets hear the NRA's response to this one....
"I bet those spectators wished they were armed with ar-15's so they could've returned fire!"
Chances those guns were bought on the legitimate market... Slim. Morons with guns.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/2-dead-5-injured-after-central-texas-shootings
I must have missed that story, too busy following all the mass stabbings going on. It's a crazy world.
Three shot, suspect detained at Santa Monica College (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-3-shot-suspect-detained-at-santa-monica-college-20130607,0,4254650.story)
And this is probably totally unrelated, but President Obama In Santa Monica For Luncheon Fundraiser (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/06/07/president-obama-to-make-brief-visit-to-santa-monica-for-luncheon-fundraiser/).
Probably not unrelated at all.
(http://i.imgur.com/mX6AH.gif)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sAGGoPidEY&feature=player_embedded
LOL
http://gawker.com/texas-man-arrested-for-making-gun-gestures-in-a-crowd-729949045?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_twitter&utm_source=gawker_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Good.
All of the people in the crowd had imaginary kevlar protecting them.
Imaginary kevlar isn't going to stop imaginary headshots, dummy.
Ho-hum...another mass shooting in a public place today.
Merica!
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/16/us/dc-navy-yard-gunshots/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Looks like some dude capped 4 sailors in DC and injured another 8 or so.
12 dead
so this is mass shooting no 4 in the past year alone? did i miss one?
Probably. Who has time to check up on all these shootings to make sure?
http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/conspiracy-theorists-already-suspect-navy-yard-shooting-is-a-false-flag-20130916?mrefid=mostViewed
it was a black guy, not a white guy who did it
therefore.....GO
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/20/justice/chicago-shooting/index.html
Chicago aka Beirut
more stillupfronts shot in the hood....WHO CARES
muslims be planning terror attacks. maybe. at some point. in some place. involving someone. RIP CIVIL LIBERTIES. HELLO 900 BILLION DOLLAR WARS.
america
all the concern now is with molly because its killing white chicks
If you bring your three year old to a basketball court in a gang contested park late at night and he gets shot...can't say I'm surprised, or that I much care for your sadness. Bad luck for the kid to be born to you, and to be in that park, for sure. Otherwise...yeah. No reason to have the kid there at all. Just terrible decision making.
could say the same thing about your parents decision to have you
blaming victims is such an american thing to do
Dio wasn't blaming the victims. He was blaming the scum doing the shooting and the dipshteins who brought their kid into a situation that was rife with peril. Settle down, girls.
dio is 10000 percent the guy who wouldnt testify if he saw a gang murder
not because he aint no snitch but because he be a bitch
Quote from: Rome on September 20, 2013, 06:48:07 PM
Dio wasn't blaming the victims. He was blaming the scum doing the shooting and the dipshteins who brought their kid into a situation that was rife with peril. Settle down, girls.
I thought this was pretty obvious. Though I don't think Dio was really blaming the shooter nearly as much as the idiot parent(s) who thought it was a good idea to bring a 3 yr old kid into a known gang zone after dark.
A three year old should be in bed at that hour.
The hippos would cheer a white kid getting beat down for being in the wrong place, so of course they'd disparage me for pointing out that bad parenting put the kid in harm's way as much as anything else. Bad luck for the kid...bad decisions for the mother/grandmother/aunt or whoever is "raising" the kid.
I can sympathize with bad luck. Bad decisions, not so much.
Quote from: MDS on September 20, 2013, 07:37:36 PMhe be a bitch
I'm sure you'll repeat that to me if we ever meet.
I've met MDS and I can say with 100% certainty that he would never say that shtein to anyone who would even momentarily consider punching him in the face. He was amicable enough, I guess, but at the end of the day in the real world this kind of statement will get you decked. Rightfully. In the face. Or maybe neck.
Also Dio is so obviously right about this that it's farging stupid to even discuss. It has nothing to do with blaming the victim. Poor decisions beget poor outcomes. Taking your three year old to an outdoor basketball game at that hour in a crime ridden area of a crime ridden city is, at best, poor decision making and at worst negligent. Obviously negligent. Why are we even talking about this? Why would any parent even want their kid to be awake that late? Put the little jackass to bed and have a beer, you retards.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 20, 2013, 10:18:16 PM
Quote from: MDS on September 20, 2013, 07:37:36 PMhe be a bitch
I'm sure you'll repeat that to me if we ever meet.
LOL at mds calling anyone a bitch. Farg you, you just made me piss my couch.
dio brings out the worst in me...hipsters are like persians to me. i cant deal with them
but yeah im a total Hoyda
Let's be honest, there's not much to you besides the worst.
maybe im different but when i hear news of a three year old being shot in the face my first thought isnt to disparage the mother and scream to the world about how much i dont feel sadness for her...but if thats your schtick then carry on
capitol on lockdown after shots let off
Merica!
apparently started with someone trying to break into the white house
GUNS!
a female suspect reportedly dead
[sd]good[/sd]
Quote from: MDS on October 03, 2013, 02:59:32 PM
GUNS!
too soon
lets get back to making sure a quarter of the country doesn't get health insurance
some woman tried to ram the white house gate with her car or something
this country is full of wonderful people
oh forgot to mention this. someone at my work (elder white gun lover) tried to tell me that gun control doesn't work after the navy yard shooting because the area where the shooting occurred was a gun free zone.
Quote from: SunMo on October 03, 2013, 03:07:15 PM
tried to tell me that gun control doesn't work after the navy yard shooting because the area where the shooting occurred was a gun free zone.
what gun control?
how did this women ram a white house security check point and still pull off a 12 block car chase.....youd think she would have been lit up right then and there
She had a kid with her. Shocker was that the kid was not lilly white. She tried to ram one of the 6 checkpoints before the whitehouse, that failed, then she rolled out to the capitol. Got out, apparently started firing. Weird.
Quote from: SunMo on October 03, 2013, 03:07:15 PM
oh forgot to mention this. someone at my work (elder white gun lover) tried to tell me that gun control doesn't work after the navy yard shooting because the area where the shooting occurred was a gun free zone.
Oh lol I forgot to mention this when that happened but I have a buddy who has turned into a real Tea Party nutzo. I mean like quoting the Constitution all the time and egging me on in political discussions via text. Why he's gone this route I don't know.
Anyways he said the same thing. And I started twisting him up about the NRA and LaPierre (whom he'd blow and swallow)and he really lost it.
So now all I need to do is mention Obamacare and guns and it's an hour or more of entertainment for me.
I torment the people I know who are tea party zealots. I've lost more than a few friends these last years because of how brutally awful they've become. Fundy fruitcakes. Wholly ignorant too. Real Fox News zombies. It's sad, really.
The guys I work with are almost all to a man rabid conservatives. Paranoid, Obama hating, under/un-educated.
Plumber told me on Wednesday, while talking about the staff he has at a restaurant he owns, that he's got some good folk, except for one waitress who is a "stillupfront lover." Pretty typical. They are loving the shut down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCu80iDid_Q
copper hits the barriers that come up to block the streets...NSFW language if you open this at work
WHAT DE farg OH ME GOOD
I bet either heart attack or texting while driving.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/21/justice/nevada-middle-school-shooting/index.html?sr=fb102113nevshooting1145p
So the nutjob who shot up LAX earlier had anti-government paraphernalia on him and sent suicide texts to his family. He is from Pennsville, NJ...
Guns
holy shtein my boy clint is from the ville....how old was dook?
Graduated from a private school here in Delaware in 2008. Most of my friends from that school graduated in 2008, haven't really talked to them about it yet though.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 01, 2013, 10:25:17 PM
holy shtein my boy clint is from the ville....how old was dook?
23
last name Ciancia
Well stop me if you've heard this before...
apparently there's a gunman inside a mall in up in Paramus Jersey
QuoteJim Gardner @Jim_Gardner 13s
Report: gunman in Paramus, New Jersey mall wearing full body armor and wielding AK47.
People will do just about anything to be 1st in line at Best Buy on Black Friday.
this country has a problem
no we don't! I can already hear the narratives coming from that dipshtein LaPierre and the teabaggers.
he really wanted the new COD
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 04, 2013, 10:39:55 PM
no we don't! I can already hear the narratives coming from that dipshtein LaPierre and the teabaggers.
the problem is that there is no jump off point with the right to even start a discussion on gun control....where do you begin when one side legitimately thinks the govt. is coming for everyones guns and that theres fema camps out there
basically we are farged
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 04, 2013, 10:22:32 PM
QuoteJim Gardner @Jim_Gardner 13s
Report: gunman in Paramus, New Jersey mall wearing full body armor and wielding AK47.
Literally two minutes from my house. Initially, they thought the guy escaped, so we were instructed to be on the lookout and lock the doors. Turns out he offed himself in the mall. No one was hurt, which had to be purposeful. Probably was looking for death by cop. He ended up doing it himself. 20 year old with a long drug history.
Still have helicopters over my house. As much as they claim to hate it, you know the news stations LOVE this shtein.
http://www.trueactivist.com/fema-camp-has-begun-homeless-first/
Dont fight it IGY, they're open for business LOL.
nothing is worse than the die by cops Hoydas. So what this comes down to is how did a mentally unstable 20 year old get ahold of an AK and body armor, espeically in NJ? You get multi year sentences for having hollowpoints.
It was a simple rifle made up to look like an AK47, and he stole it from his brother. And it was a motorcycle helmet and black clothes.
And that's another annoying thing. In the haste to get the scoop, news organizations are constantly putting out bad information, particularly at the beginning of these stories. There's no way that I can lend credence to anything anyone says as the shtein is happening. It's like a giant game of telephone.
Some dumbfarg starts a twitter hashtag for her 18th birthday party here in Houston. Complete with a DJ coming into town to play the party.
2 dead and 19 injured.
Someone let off "celebratory shots" while inside which was met with retaliatory gun fire and then two people unloading on just about everyone in their way.
Guns.
BTW a guns and ammo mag editor apparently was FIRED because he chose to run a column about the discussion of fun control and safety. Meat heads wrote into the mag and their decision was to fire the guy.
America.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115790/gun-control-moms-face-misogynistic-violent-online-harassment
New Mexico cop fired for shooting at minivan full of kids (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/07/new-mexico-cop-fired-for-shooting-at-minivan-full-of-kids/)
QuoteOn October 28, an officer stopped African-American driver Oriana Ferrell for speeding, saying that she was going 71 miles per hour in a 55 zone. During the traffic stop, Ferrell — who was taking the kids on a family vacation from Tennessee — panicked and drove away, fearing for the safety of her five children from the white officer.
The officer pulled Ferrell over again and attempted to physically wrest her from behind the wheel. The confrontation escalated when Ferrell's 14-year-old son got into a tussle with the arresting officer, who attempted to use a taser against the boy.
Texas campus cop empties gun on unarmed student: 'Oh, you're gonna shoot me?' (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/08/texas-campus-cop-empties-gun-on-unarmed-student-oh-youre-gonna-shoot-me/)
Quote"I didn't hear him say anything like, 'Get down on your hands and knees,' you know? I didn't hear him say anything. He just started shooting," the witness said. "He emptied the gun on him.... Boom, boom, boom. Six shots — five or six."
Young newlyweds celebrate at strip club after fulfilling dream of 'killing someone together' (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/08/young-newlyweds-celebrate-at-strip-club-after-fulfilling-dream-of-killing-someone-together/)
QuoteEventually, Elytte Barbour confessed that when Miranda picked LaFerrara up, he was hiding in the back seat of their SUV. On his wife's signal, he wrapped a cord around LaFerrara's neck and strangled him while Miranda stabbed him over 20 times. The couple then dumped the body, cleaned the car and then drove to the strip club.
I work in Sunbury, the town that the last killing happened in. Well, the killing happened in the next town over, but the body was dumped a few blocks from my office.
If you do a search for the victim and look at his picture...you can tell he wasn't a small dude. God takes people in mysterious ways.
kicked off the debate team.....shoot some motherfargers
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/magazine/inside-the-power-of-the-nra.html?pagewanted=5&_r=2&smid=tw-nytimes&pagewanted=all&
Inside the Power of the NRA
'We called for help, and they killed my son,' North Carolina man says (http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/justice/north-carolina-teen-killed/)
Quote"Everything was going good," Mark Wilsey said, according to WWAY. "Then this fat cop from Southport walks in the room, walks around the corner, says, 'We don't have time for this. Tase that kid now. Let's get him out of here.' "
The stepfather said Vidal tried to run but was struck with two Taser charges and fell backward. He said the first two officers to respond got on top of Vidal.
WECT attributed a slightly different accounting of events to Mark Wilsey. In that retelling, the stepfather said officers had pinned Vidal to the ground after he had been tased and one of the officers said, "We don't have time for this" and shot his stepson.
1 injured in South Carolina State University shooting (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/24/south-carolina-school-shooting/4831069/)
QuoteThe shooting is the second one this week on a college campus. On Tuesday, Andrew Boldt, 21, of West Bend, Wis., died after being stabbed and shot in a basement electrical engineering classroom at Purdue University in West Lafayette, Ind.
mall ten minutes from my house has been all shot up
Amazon.com: you won't get shot shopping with us!
Quote from: Diomedes on January 25, 2014, 12:56:29 PM
Amazon.com: you won't get shot shopping with us!
Unless they arm their delivery drones.
this mall employee on cnn just said "you know a lot of cops in maryland have itchy trigger fingers" lol
We have thieves who follow the mailman and delivery trucks, stealing packages off porches. A drone that sticks with the package, gunning down anyone who comes too close, would be great. Still better: A fleet of clean-up drones that sweep in to remove the bloody mess from my stoop would be appreciated too.
Ah, city living.
MOM is going to pounce on this.....i suggest if you are a gunowner and live in maryland that you immediately move
Breaking news. Guns kill people. People are completely innocent and have nothing to do with the problem. The problem lies with the guns. Let's make it so only the cops have guns. Then we can start blaming the problem on bombs.
Ban all shotguns!
And you're right IGY, MOM is gonna go hard on this. He already got the sb281 thru, I wouldn't be surprised if he tried an outright ban.
Wonder what the deal was, i know the columbia mall has been going downhill for years. Curious to see if its whitey gone crazy, or a planned altercation.
Yeah, we should legalize automatic machine guns, RPGs, landmines, etc. It's people who kill, not the weapons they use.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 25, 2014, 01:23:15 PM
Yeah, we should legalize automatic machine guns, RPGs, landmines, etc. It's people who kill, not the weapons they use.
In "government" we trust.
I trust the government way, way more than I do gun toting citizens, yes.
Yeah I don't know why I'm supposed to trust random Americans with guns....have you seen random Americans?
That said, I don't think an outright ban would work. And I think state laws are useless when you can just drive 15 minutes away over to the next state and get a gun
Quote from: Munson on January 25, 2014, 02:59:10 PM
And I think state laws are useless when you can just drive 15 minutes away over to the next state and get a gun
You obviously aren't teaching geography.
Who or what is MOM?
(Cue in T-Hawk and Sarge)
Fifteen minutes in the northeast, if you account for hyperbole, but still. People do it for fireworks and cheaper cigarettes, they'd do it for guns.
Mothers of 'Merica?
Quote from: hbionic on January 25, 2014, 03:11:18 PMWho or what is MOM?
Martin O'Malley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_O'Malley), Governor of Maryland.
aka Carcetti in The Wire
Ever notice during these shootings the shooter is never shot by a licensed gun owner?
Shotgun, sounds like a lovers quarrel. Female/Male/Male Shooter all dead. GUNS!
Quote from: SD on January 25, 2014, 04:47:15 PM
Ever notice during these shootings the shooter is never shot by a licensed gun owner?
thats cause licensed owners are too busy shooting themselves their family or a neighbor
Quote from: SD on January 25, 2014, 04:47:15 PM
Ever notice during these shootings the shooter is never shot by a licensed gun owner?
Except for that retired cop who shot a couple in a movie theater because they were texting....during the previews. (http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/13/justice/florida-movie-theater-shooting/)
There are millions of gun owners that never fire their weapons in anger much less injure or kill anyone.
Settle down, freaks.
Quote from: Rome on January 25, 2014, 06:03:09 PM
There are millions of gun owners that never fire their weapons in anger much less injure or kill anyone.
phew!
The fact that this is national news is funny, of course at first it seemed like it was a terrible situation. Whats come out of it was a lovers triangle, and the guy shot his ex and new boyfriend, albeit a mall. You're talking a regular shotgun, so not even the 30 round guns that Omally was so afraid of, yet theyre never was a case of them being used.
It's probably a 870 Remington or some standard mossberg.
if zumiez employees were armed this would have never happened
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 25, 2014, 08:44:40 PM
if zumiez employees were armed this would have never happened
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1225236!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/article-lapierre-1221.jpg)
http://www.khou.com/news/local/One-person-killed-when-shots-fired-at-Sugar-Land-business-251439821.html
This happened at one of my customer's shop....crazy
Another shooting at Ft Hood
One dead and several injuries...shooter still at large
Jeez
that's unfortunate. i was hoping to see eagles FO pop up. hopefully they get the guy.
Malls schools and military bases...great places to get shot.
...and if you can't get shot there...go to a movie theater.
The shooter was 34yrs old and had apparently been treated for PTSD and other issues. CNN just said he had a traumatic brain injury in Iraq...but they said self diagnosed?
.45 cal handgun that was not registered on base as it should be
Quote from: LBIggle on April 02, 2014, 08:32:44 PM
that's unfortunate. i was hoping to see eagles FO Pappelbon pop up. hopefully they get the guy.
Guy walks into two Jewish places in KC and kills a couple of people. As he's being arrested he gives the ol heil hitler
Guns
kansas
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 13, 2014, 05:31:36 PM
Guy walks into two Jewish places in KC and kills a couple of people. As he's being arrested he gives the ol heil hitler
Guns
It wasn't a hate crime. He was just upset/He had an un-diagnosed mental illness/He played the GTA video games/He was bullied by a rabbi?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 13, 2014, 05:31:36 PM
Guy walks into two Jewish places in KC and kills a couple of people. As he's being arrested he gives the ol heil hitler
Guns
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/04/13/frazier-glenn-miller-longtime-anti-semite-arrested-in-kansas-jewish-community-center-murders/
gunzzzzzzz
https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/294D10A5A51067682148183621632_2ab81ddf9be.0.1.11628941711312769136.mp4?versionId=pyd1UTw1kB0DSjbMBOQ4x8nbc7uRxrSp
Over under on that gun being legally purchased?
Also, what did i miss about this Nevada shtein. Seems to have gotten the "Patriots" riled up. From what i've gleaned thru, the dude was using govt land, and was told no longer. He riled up a mob of guys with guns who stood there sucking eachothers cocks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkJ_ZiX_Tek
it wasnt so much that he was told to stop using the land....but he is required to abide by the federal permit system and pay fees for using the land to graze cattle....something hes not done since 1993....in fact he doesnt recognize the federal govt as even existing and claims that the land is owned by his family
gun fail
http://news.hjnews.com/news/year-old-who-was-reportedly-shot-on-accident-dies-at/article_254c2648-c7cd-11e3-90bf-0019bb2963f4.html
this was at an art gallery in georgetown, tx. a little north of austin. suburb where im spending the weekend.
america.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlnLWhgCYAA6pPx.jpg)
I'm surprised it's old glory in there and not a confederate flag
theres a gun store across the street from the high school
not kidding, not hyperbolizing. theres a gun store across the street from the high school.
My grandfather had the same .45 and holster, it's a WWII thing MDS.
down there it might be a mexican american war thing
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 21, 2014, 10:05:25 AM
My grandfather had the same .45 and holster, it's a WWII thing MDS.
guns are awesome!
that gun liberated your people
Moses didn't have a .45, dummy.
(http://2012patriot.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mosesarms_dees1.jpg)
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 21, 2014, 07:18:34 PM
that gun liberated your people
Russia didn't use the .45 in WWII
my people were in the us by the time hitler had that little misunderstanding
Oh, sorry, I thought this was the 'Ass-Shootings in the US' (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/florida-man-shoots-buttocks) thread.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 21, 2014, 10:05:25 AM
My grandfather had the same .45 and holster, it's a WWII thing MDS.
Standard Calvery issue?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/1st_Cavalry_Division_-_Shoulder_Sleeve_Insignia.svg/240px-1st_Cavalry_Division_-_Shoulder_Sleeve_Insignia.svg.png)
Ho hum another day another workplace shooting.
19yr at FedEx in ATL blasts six people with a shotgun and offed himself
He was upset because the post office said he wasn't qualified to work for them. Ironically, now he is.
Long Beach Police Shooting of Unarmed Man Captured on Video (http://www.laweekly.com/informer/2014/04/29/long-beach-police-shooting-of-unarmed-man-captured-on-video)
QuoteThe shooting by police of an unarmed man in Long Beach over the weekend was captured in a shocking video (on the next page). The man is hit with gunfire multiple times as he descends stairs to a beach, as nearby restaurant patrons watch in horror. The cops' actions might have been a case of mistaking friendly fire for a shootout.
If trained cops are accidentally shooting at each other, why the hell would you arm teachers?
Quote from: Diomedes on May 01, 2014, 09:17:26 PM
If trained cops are accidentally shooting at each other, why the hell would you arm teachers?
I know a lot of teachers. Arming teachers is a bad, bad, bad idea.
Quote from: Diomedes on May 01, 2014, 09:17:26 PM
If trained cops are accidentally shooting at each other, why the hell would you arm teachers?
Great question. I'd love to hear the super gun nuts answer that one.
Obviously they'll say yes. These are people who don't think rationally.
Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to arm teachers doesn't know what it's like teaching. That's like playing with fire. Hell my wife's school is designed like a prison. Concrete walls, have to get buzzed in, and immediately see the office which is right at the entrance. Reminds me of OZ on hbo, and yet they still get people who make their way thru to the class occasionally, always parents who don't feel like following protocol. Guns aren't the answer in schools, protocols and competent employees should be a bigger focus.
So Adibisi teaches Algebra there?
African Studies
Wouldn't it just be easier to say he's the x-country coach?
Just as long as you keep him out of the cafeteria.
Glass Shards for everyone!
Seven dead in a mass drive by shooting at UCSB in California
And apparently this is the nice young fella responsible
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sbv5Vpa-B-0
Was just coming to post that, what a whiney little Hoyda. The user who upoloaded the video on Break goes by the name Avon_Barksdale.
Yeah really...awwww poor little baby is still a virgin. Well then don't go make an effort to get laid, no no, by all means just go shoot people because you're a complete failure and can't get your dick wet
he definitely has a gender disorder
he wants to be a women and is furious at the thought
Not saying this is fake, but that whole video seemed forced and not real. His stupid evil laugh makes me think he's watched Austin Powers to many times. Definite drama queen. Either way, good riddance. Too bad a bunch of hot college ass had to go with him. RIP, sluts.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 24, 2014, 11:20:33 AM
Yeah really...awwww poor little baby is still a virgin. Well then don't go make an effort to get laid, no no, by all means just go shoot people because you're a complete failure and can't get your dick wet
Exactly, Todd is in the same boat but you didn't see him shooting up girls at Temple
Haha I don't think they have temples in south Texas....or do they?!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 24, 2014, 12:00:58 PM
Haha I don't think they have temples in south Texas....or do they?!
They do, but they're called high school football stadiums.
Also, SD was talking about the college, not the Jewce Bar.
Besides, how could he not get laid at a Texan Synagoge? By not calling himself Dr Orodenker?
Hahaha that's funny
And lol at Jewce Bar
what
http://abc13.com/news/7-killed-in-planned-mass-murder-near-uc-santa-barbara/76199/
The little weirdo was the son of the hunger games assistant director
Apparently the parents are saying they called police on him a month ago and warned them
http://gawker.com/father-of-ucsb-shooting-victim-when-will-this-insanit-1581191996?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_twitter&utm_source=gawker_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Wayne LaPierre and all the dopes who think like him can suck it
QuoteWhy did Chris die? Chris died because of craven, irresponsible politicians and the NRA. They talk about gun rights. What about Chris's right to live?
the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun
Well the lunatics and nutjobs are out in full force on this. Facebook never fails to come through! Just scroll through and see the right wingers getting their shots in by saying "but but but he killed three people with a knife too! Where is the outrage there huh!?"
Hours after that guy shot women who wouldn't sleep with him, a totally different guy does the same farging thing. (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/26/police-search-for-california-man-who-shot-at-3-women-who-refused-to-have-sex-with-him/) Mostly the same thing, since he missed.
You know what? It may be time to take some guns away and give out some castrations.
The NRA disapproves of your suggestion, pal
Just tell them the Black Panthers are involved (http://www.theroot.com/articles/politics/2013/01/black_panthers_and_gun_control_the_nras_flip_flop.html).
Sorry to have to fight and ruin your black panther party
Yet another one. University in Seattle had some dude blasting people with a shotgun
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/08/justice/las-vegas-shooting/index.html
Two cops and one person in Walmart.
From a Vegas website...
QuoteI came here to post this. I am in Vegas right now and spoke to some people about it and am now listening to the news.
It was 2 shooters, a white male and female, they shot the police officers and screamed "the revolution has begun" or "this is the start of the revolution". They also took the officers guns and ammunition from them.
Then they ran into the Walmart with the guns and yelled at everyone to get out. One of the shoppers had a gun and he tried to shoot them but they shot him first and killed him. So they killed 3 people total. Then they went into the back and committed suicide together.
donate to the SPLC
so thats 3 good guys with guns who didnt stop bad guys with guns
well i guess thats it then. no other possible defense than that.
What I'm surprised hasn't happened yet is the "good guy(s)" stepping in and being horrible shots and offing innocent bystanders.
Or those stupid open carry fargs spraying a populated area with a clip in the name of their second amendment rights and stopping the bad guys
http://www.kgw.com/home/Breaking-Reports-of-gunfire-at-Reynolds-High-School-262541971.html
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/19/us/u-s-school-violence-fast-facts/
Looks like a high school shooting is going down up by Seattle
QuoteCBS News @CBSNews 3s4 seconds ago
JUST IN: Providence Regional Hospital ER nurse confirms three patients have arrived with gunshot wounds, 1 in the head; 4th patient expected
couple cases of ebola....lets stop flights and shut down entire countries
a thousand school shootings....lets do nothing about guns
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/seattle-washington-area-school-shooting-at-marysville-pilchuck-high-school/
Another army base shooting
Ft Bliss in El Paso
No word on how many shot yet
Man Charged in Deaths of 3 Muslim Students Near University of North Carolina (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/12/us/shooting-deaths-university-of-north-carolina-murder-charges.html?_r=1)
QuotePolice officials in Chapel Hill, N.C., said on Wednesday that a man had been arrested in the shooting deaths of three Muslim students at a condominium complex near the University of North Carolina campus.
The Chapel Hill police said that Craig Stephen Hicks, 46, had been charged with three counts of first-degree murder. He is being held at the Durham County Jail. "Our preliminary investigation indicates that the crime was motivated by an ongoing neighbor dispute over parking," the police said in a statement
Probably should be in the hate thread...damn mooslims impeding on a good white christian's parking spot!!
Protesters March In Madison After Unarmed Teen Shot By Officer (http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/19-year-old-man-shot-and-killed-by-police-in-wisconsin-spark#.vcWbnzaO8)
Yeah, it's buzzfeed, I know. I didn't want to look for a better link.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 11, 2015, 12:59:01 PM
Probably should be in the hate thread...damn mooslims impeding on a good white christian's parking spot!!
Parking spot? I thought they got around by magic carpets.
Seven people shot at a grocery store in Cali last night
Five people shot in Mesa Az this afternoon
Gunzzzzzz
https://twitter.com/pzfeed/status/578310313143103488
Not shocked he's the suspect
South Carolina police officer charged with murder after shooting man during traffic stop (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/04/07/south-carolina-police-officer-will-be-charged-with-murder-after-shooting/?tid=s)
QuoteThe decision to charge the officer, Michael Thomas Slager, came after graphic video footage emerged depicting Slager firing a volley of bullets into the back of Walter Scott, who was running away.
Officers rarely face criminal charges after shooting people, a fact that has played into nationwide protests over the past year over how the police use deadly force. Yet this case took a swift, unusual turn after a video shot by a bystander provided authorities with a decisive narrative that differed from Slager's account.
The video of that is unreal
Isn't that the second SC cop to be indicted? The other one was the dude who unloaded on the guy for reaching into his car for his wallet and the officer missed him with every single shot?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2015, 09:39:26 PM
The video of that is unreal
Holy shtein! I just watched it.
Thank god that was videoed otherwise dude gets away with it. I always cringe when I hear PIO's make the press statement that includes "in fear of his life" as if that makes it a-ok to unload almost a whole clip.
'In fear of your life' makes it okay to shoot anyone in Florida.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 08, 2015, 07:08:48 AM
'In fear of your life' makes it okay to shoot anyone in Florida.
Pretty much. Unless you're an African-American woman firing warning shots (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/). Then you get 20 years. (later thrown out and reduced to time served - 3 years - in a plea deal.)
Oh, I'm sorry, you're right. I thought it went without saying:
All laws in America, and especially in the old Slave states, apply differently (if at all) to black folk.
p.s. Tomorrow is a great day in history. 150 years since the Union defeated the slavers.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 07, 2015, 09:37:00 PM
South Carolina police officer charged with murder after shooting man during traffic stop (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/04/07/south-carolina-police-officer-will-be-charged-with-murder-after-shooting/?tid=s)
QuoteThe decision to charge the officer, Michael Thomas Slager, came after graphic video footage emerged depicting Slager firing a volley of bullets into the back of Walter Scott, who was running away.
Officers rarely face criminal charges after shooting people, a fact that has played into nationwide protests over the past year over how the police use deadly force. Yet this case took a swift, unusual turn after a video shot by a bystander provided authorities with a decisive narrative that differed from Slager's account.
All cops and their cars should be required to have cameras.
Standing ovation to GoFundMe for rejecting a fundraiser for people who tried to start a defense fund for that sick farg SoCar cop.
Quote from: phillycrew on April 08, 2015, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on April 07, 2015, 09:37:00 PM
South Carolina police officer charged with murder after shooting man during traffic stop (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/04/07/south-carolina-police-officer-will-be-charged-with-murder-after-shooting/?tid=s)
QuoteThe decision to charge the officer, Michael Thomas Slager, came after graphic video footage emerged depicting Slager firing a volley of bullets into the back of Walter Scott, who was running away.
Officers rarely face criminal charges after shooting people, a fact that has played into nationwide protests over the past year over how the police use deadly force. Yet this case took a swift, unusual turn after a video shot by a bystander provided authorities with a decisive narrative that differed from Slager's account.
All cops and their cars should be required to have cameras.
South Carolina Officer Is Charged With Murder of Walter Scott (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html)
QuoteThe debate over police use of force has been propelled in part by videos like the one in South Carolina. In January, prosecutors in Albuquerque charged two police officers with murder for shooting a homeless man in a confrontation that was captured by an officer's body camera.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 08, 2015, 12:35:48 PM
Standing ovation to GoFundMe for rejecting a fundraiser for people who tried to start a defense fund for that sick farg SoCar cop.
looks like IndieGoGo site has one up for him now for "protecting his community" lolololol get the farg outta here.
Wonder how much the racist bigot fargs will give this dude?
It's funny reading their comments on another board where initially all of the responses were WTF, shot him 8 times in the back, with the final shot being so deliberate it was like hunting. After a day of conservative news programs, a good portion of them want the officer to have a fair trial so that all of the facts are laid out, since the video doesnt show the initial confrontation. The power of media to these morons just boggles my mind. They're unable to see thru the bullshtein because they are trained to lap it up.
If the officer was in a conflict and in close proximity to the guy I'd have some sympathy. Citizens shouldn't be reaching for officers weapons. Once he turns and runs there's no need for deadly force.
I'm not for the death penalty in any case but I bet this will be a perfect example of one of the reasons it should be abolished....had the roles been reversed 100% death would be sought and sought hard....now it still might with the cop but I'd be surprised
Yeah once that dude ran (and running is a very subjective term here - he was mall walking) the 33yr old officer should have run him down. If he doesn't catch him then he can radio into his buddies and they'll cut him off.
But this dude lights him up.
And the dude who shot the video said that he started filming late after them grappling on the ground and after dude got tazed. But so what? You chase him...tackle him...handcuff him...and then book him. He did not deserve to lose his life.
Any of those racist fargs who try to say this was a legit shooting can go farg off and die. The cop knew he was wrong because he planted the tazer next to him. And then used the "he feared for his life" mumbo jumbo and set the hook for it to be written off as a good shooting.
His lawyer dropped his ass once he saw the video.
And the guy who filmed it even said that he waited to release it to see if the police would do/say the right thing.
I was reading last night that he's from Burl co....went to lenape
Video shows Tulsa man's last moments alive after accidental police shooting (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/video-shows-tulsa-man-shot-deputy-meant-stun-article-1.2181787)
Listen to Officer Tribal-Tats, you can totally hear how much of an accident it was.
"farg your breath"....as I kneel on your head with all my weight!
The old dude who "accidentally" shot him is the sheriff's sugar daddy. He donated a ton of cash to the department and also paid for fishing trips and cruises for the sheriff. In return? He gets to play cop.
And then the investigator said that he was the real victim!
MURICA
C-c-c-c-ombo breaker! Would-be school shooting in Washington foiled by 'heroic' teacher (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/27/teacher-tackles-school-shooter-north-thurston-high-lacey-washington)
QuoteA would-be school shooter was tackled by a teacher in Washington state on Monday morning, before anyone could be killed or injured.
The gunman, who was taken into police custody but not immediately identified, fired several shots at the commons of North Thurston high school in Lacey, Washington. Students say a teacher approached him from behind and tackled him to the ground, and was then aided by more teachers in holding the shooter down. The school district confirmed in a statement that staff had apprehended the gunman.
Video: Live-shooter event at recruiting station in Chattanooga, suspect killed (http://hotair.com/archives/2015/07/16/video-live-shooter-event-at-recruiting-station-in-chattanooga-suspect-killed/)
QuoteAt least two Marines and one police officer got shot today at two military offices, a naval reserve center and an armed forces recruiting center in Chattanooga, Tennessee. CBS News reports that the suspect has been shot and killed, but as of now there is less certainty over the number of victims and their status. The police officer is in surgery with non-life-threatening injuries.
4 marines are dead, so is the gunman
gotta arm everyone. marines never have guns.
wonder what South Carolina State Rep. William Chumley has to say about this shooting ?
Quote from: MDS on July 16, 2015, 03:01:16 PM
4 marines are dead, so is the gunman
gotta arm everyone. marines never have guns.
Isn't a big part of being a marine whining about being under-funded and under-equipped?
And, Jade Helm has started.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 16, 2015, 04:36:28 PM
And, Jade Helm has started.
how long before we start seeing on the news that shuttered Walmart stores are being used for "guerrilla-warfare staging areas and FEMA processing camps", ?
Well some of the loony fargs were saying that the reason Blue Bell Ice Cream was shut down was so they could use their refrigeration trucks and facilities to store bodies.
Is the crematory backed up, too?
now i know why blue bunny ice cream has an aftertaste.
Quote from: General_Failure on July 17, 2015, 10:04:13 AM
Is the crematory backed up, too?
Yes of course.
Burning bodies and gunzzzz that Obummer is taking
Dead bodies are preferable as a food source.
I don't think long pig is allowed under sharia law.
QuoteChattanooga police officers who chased a gunman between shooting sites Thursday saved lives, said police Chief Fred Fletcher. "They are my heroes."
Evidence shows police killed Mohammad Youssuf Abdulazeez, and he did not kill himself, FBI Special Agent Ed Reinhold said. He said Abdulazeez had two long guns and one handgun.
Lafayette.
Shooter dead suicide. We'll see how many others.
It's the guns, stupid.
Oh goooood another mass shooting.
Welcome to America!
3 dead. meh.
there was a massacre at a theater 3 years ago.....an entire 1st grade class was gunned down....9 black people were killed in a church by a racist....nothing's changed. 3 measly dead people in farging lafayette isnt surviving past the next donald trump soundbite news cycle.
Mother farg this world. Unreal. Just do us all a favor and kill yourself before you do your cowardly deed. Dickless Hoyda. Makes me sick.
wondering if this isnt just a random killing and if he knew the two people he killed.
They're reporting that he was a drifter with some drifter-ish criminal record. He wanted out and decided to make a scene, like an icehole.
Think it might be time to start taking the mental health of our citizens seriously? Maybe? Nah, let's just send everyone to prison.
helping people with mental illness takes work. this country is lazy.
It also takes a collective acknowledgement that sometimes people need help from the society that they live in. Americans don't like to think about people needing help. They like to talk about pulling up bootstraps and back to back world war championships. No money for the suffering. All the money for CEOs and war mongers.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 24, 2015, 09:09:32 AM
They're reporting that he was a drifter with some drifter-ish criminal record. He wanted out and decided to make a scene, like an icehole.
I imagine there was a collective angry yell this morning when the shooter was identified as a white guy and not some brownish person.
Aren't these types of things always white dudes? Seriously, other than drug/gang mass killings, isn't this random public killing spree thing a uniquely white male thing?
Quote from: rjs246 on July 24, 2015, 09:09:32 AM
They're reporting that he was a drifter with some drifter-ish criminal record. He wanted out and decided to make a scene, like an icehole.
I imagine there was a collective angry yell this morning when the shooter was identified as a white guy and not some brownish person.
Oh yeah?
Quote from: rjs246 on July 24, 2015, 09:17:03 AM
It also takes a collective acknowledgement that sometimes people need help from the society that they live in. Americans don't like to think about people needing help. They like to talk about pulling up bootstraps and back to back world war championships. No money for the suffering. All the money for CEOs and war mongers.
I spent 3 innings at a Phillies game arguing about Obamacare with my mouth-breathing, far-right republican friend. After going back and forth, he just finally just yelled "farg the poor. farg the poor. i farging hate the poor". I think that pretty much sums up that whole side of the party's attitude about the poor, minorities and those with mental health issues.
Quote from: Beermonkey on July 24, 2015, 10:18:42 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on July 24, 2015, 09:09:32 AM
They're reporting that he was a drifter with some drifter-ish criminal record. He wanted out and decided to make a scene, like an icehole.
I imagine there was a collective angry yell this morning when the shooter was identified as a white guy and not some brownish person.
i laughed last week when a certain large segment of the population wanted to hang the chattanooga shooter because it was clearly isis influenced domestic terrorism two weeks after the same people wanted let the charleston shooting marinate for a while and for like three days it was "toon soon" to label it a hate crime
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2015, 10:34:00 AM
Quote from: Beermonkey on July 24, 2015, 10:18:42 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on July 24, 2015, 09:09:32 AM
They're reporting that he was a drifter with some drifter-ish criminal record. He wanted out and decided to make a scene, like an icehole.
I imagine there was a collective angry yell this morning when the shooter was identified as a white guy and not some brownish person.
i laughed last week when a certain large segment of the population wanted to hang the chattanooga shooter because it was clearly isis influenced domestic terrorism two weeks after the same people wanted let the charleston shooting marinate for a while and for like three days it was "toon soon" to label it a hate crime
I bet there were thousand of angry blog posts started about the dangers of blacks/muslims with guns, only to be filed away for the future. Those same people are now furiously typing away opinion pieces on how taking guns from the mentally ill is a slippery slope to Obama's jack-booted thugs raiding our homes.
http://news.yahoo.com/theater-gunman-built-reputation-angry-provocateur-064509522.html#
typically diseased right-wing paranoid nut-bag. 320 million americans and there's probably a good 10% or more who are just like this worthless piece of shtein. too bad they can't just take themselves out and leave the rest of us in peace.
Quote
"As many times as I had him on it was obvious he had a screw loose," Floyd said.
that ahole should be in jail with him...i obviously get and understand the first ammendment but speech matters...people get their shtein from fox to rush on down to the lokel yokel on the radio or the internet....it all matters
so this farg face knew the guy was spewing hatred and lies and "had a screw loose" yet continued to put him on the air dozens of times
Hey, crazy is as crazy does. What are we supposed to do here? Ban gun sales to Muslims is fine but background checks for criminals or those with severe mental illness is crossing the line. All is fine here, move along.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/aurora-movie-theater-shooter-sentenced-life-prison-after-jury-cant-n406276 (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/aurora-movie-theater-shooter-sentenced-life-prison-after-jury-cant-n406276)
its thursday in america, that means
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/10/active_shooting_reported_at_um.html
Ho hum just another day in the good ol USA
The shooter apparently made victims stand up and state their religion before shooting
If it was a Muslim shooter wait for the assault on Obama...somehow this'll be his fault
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 01, 2015, 06:42:29 PM
Ho hum just another day in the good ol USA
The shooter apparently made victims stand up and state their religion before shooting
If it was a Muslim shooter wait for the assault on Obama...somehow this'll be his fault
of course it is, he didn't take der gunz
Barry went off in his PC and said we have made a political decision to allow this to happen
GOP and NRA response should be interesting
Glad I watched the video of his entire PC. His statement was very solid.
Not glad I read Twitter replies and article comments
"He chooses to politicize this"
"Bodies aren't even cold yet and this president is making it political"
We have a country full of dumb farging idiots
So this dude apparently hated organized religion and was a conservative republican?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 02, 2015, 12:07:17 AM
So this dude apparently hated organized religion and was a conservative republican?
he also was an IRA lover which was a catholic organization
he seemed like a pretty normal dude. glad he was able to get all those guns.
so the sheriff investigating the shooting in oregon is a sandy hook truther....he thinks the government was behind it so that they could take everyones guns away
sweet
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 02, 2015, 03:11:52 PM
so the sheriff investigating the shooting in oregon is a sandy hook truther....he thinks the government was behind it so that they could take everyones guns away
sweet
yeah because the neocons in the government would just let that happen.
a black man born in kenya won the presidency.....changing the constitution would be the easy part
Shooting in Oregon: So far in 2015, we've had 274 days and 294 mass shootings (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/01/2015-274-days-294-mass-shootings-hundreds-dead/)
(https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/10/mass_shootings.png&w=1484)
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 02, 2015, 03:51:37 PM
a black man born in kenya won the presidency.....changing the constitution would be the easy part
im talking about the neocons allowing that muslim spy to pull off a mass shooting like this to push his anit-gun agenda to disarm America for coming invasion.
shtein, Clinton couldn't get one intern to shut about a blowjob but im sure barry could pull this off.
In two days people will have moved on. Nothing bad will change because of this. In fact it will only get worse because Congress is bought and paid for by the gun lobby.
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jeb bush on people dying
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Quote from: MDS on October 02, 2015, 04:30:44 PM
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jeb bush on people dying
I'd be more than fine if he and his entire farging bloodline disappeared.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 02, 2015, 03:11:52 PM
so the sheriff investigating the shooting in oregon is a sandy hook truther....he thinks the government was behind it so that they could take everyones guns away
sweet
Oh that is delicious.
Like I said - a nation chock full of dipshteins...
And I liked when Obama said to pull the stats on the amount of deaths via terrorism compared to teh gunzzz....
http://www.forbes.com/sites/janetstemwedel/2015/10/01/congress-still-bans-cdc-scientists-from-studying-gun-violence/
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/exclusive-mom-ore-shooter-stockpiled-guns-article-1.2384460?cid=bitly&utm_content=bufferc18c4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw
Solid parenting from this woman
Obama was gonna take her gunzzzz so she stockpiled
Cuomo says dems should force govt shutdown to force repubs to give in to gun control
What say you?
Absolutely not. I don't like it when the GOP acts like a bunch of babies when they don't get their way, so I can't rightly support Dems for doing the same thing.
That's where I am on it too. Two wrongs doesn't make a right
However some posturing and threatening of doing it could open some eyes
Even just the threat of a shutdown will send the right into a downright frenzie. Nevermind the fact that the GOP has forced a shutdown of their own, we all know that they have very short memories when it comes to this shtein. Not to mention that as we approach an election year, the last thing Dems need or want is for the voting public to even think that they so much as considered a shutdown. Voters aren't very good at remembering specifics and the GOP platform during campaign season would basically be "Hey, remember when the Dems wanted to shutdown the Gov't last year?" And idiots out there would eat it up.
It would be detrimental to the democrats for sure
But what will it takes for something serious to be done?
Short of rounding up every gun on the planet and melting them down, what do people really expect reform to accomplish? Serious question. What's the actual end game?
I've said for years that I'm on board with some moderate reform to make it harder for the wrong people to legally purchase guns, but what's that really going to solve?
As much as we have a problem with gun violence in this country, there's really no legislation that can even slightly improve things, let alone make a significant change.
The change has to be in our culture more than anything else.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 04, 2015, 01:05:31 AM
Short of rounding up every gun on the planet and melting them down, what do people really expect reform to accomplish? Serious question. What's the actual end game?.
its not an end game its a nooks and cranny game
how about it not being as easy to purchase a gun as it is a slurpee
how about having to register a gun like you do a car
how about gun shows 'showing' guns instead of selling them under no regulation
how about banning fully automatic weapons...machine guns were everywhere until a law was passed
the answer to your question is that there are literally dozens of ways we could curb gun violence if America (both right and left) would gow a set and vote on real legislation instead of catering to the three thousand people in their district that will keep them in office
Agreed.
I am not for a total ban but the fact that they're so easy to obtain is what needs to be addressed. The fact is that the US has a massive problem that other countries do not have when it comes to shootings.
Why is that?
So the change that needs to happen is the tightening up on the availability and ease in which it is possible for just about anyone to buy a gun.
Because the way it has been done is not working. No one needs an AR-15 or any weapon similar to that. They are not hunting guns (well they are for human hunting). Extended mags aren't needed for handguns.
The "don't tread on me and take my guns" crowd thinks pro-gun reform people want them all wiped off the face of the earth. But its not even that. Limit what John Q Public is allowed to own/buy. Make them heavily regulated via registration.
And lets be real about owning a gun...most people are NOT equipped to handle themselves as they believe they are with a weapon. The ones who think they can shoot a human being, and be a good enough shot, to shoot the offender while the adrenaline is flowing are in for a rude awakening should they ever get in that situation.
The NRA folks want everyone armed. But if something pops off in a crowded place, like say a theater or school campus, are these people to be trusted to calmly draw their weapon and hit the intended target? I'd say no. I am willing to bet that they'd squeeze off a couple that miss and probably hit an innocent bystander. What happens then? I mean we already see cases of people (Zimmerman, etc) who abuse the law and shoot and then try to make a narrative fit as to why they killed someone. Remember the dude who killed the kid for his stereo being too loud?
I believe in owning a handgun. And I would be willing to have it registered and pay a yearly registration fee. I would also be wiling to submit myself to whatever lengthy background check and waiting period that goes along with it. I do not believe in owning arsenals nor do I believe in owning long guns outside of a shotgun and hunting rifle.
Sarge I am sure you saw people in your military career who weren't good shots or people who you did not exhibit the mental capacity to be trusted with weapons outside of the controlled military environment.
I remember when I had to qualify on the range for the prison...we had people out there who made me scared to stand next to. Swinging a loaded shotgun back towards the group because they jacked the round in wrong. Shooting only 5 of the 6 shots in the .357 and then turning towards the instructor with the other round still live...
First time I ever did a transport into a public place? I was nervous. Obviously we were armed when we did them. I had to escort a guy into a doctors appt in Austin. This was a free-world clinic so there were kids and regular people in the lobby.
All I could think about was if this guy tries to do something I am going to have to draw and shoot him...my adrenaline was flowing and I couldn't wait to get away from that clinic. I was only 20 years old.
People say "well how do you even begin to regulate and fix this"...there's only one way to eat an elephant and that is bit by bit. Gotta start somewhere....
don't get me wrong im for a total ban...but thats not even remotely realistic...but in lieu of that cant we meet in the middle and let less people die...every other industrialized country in the world has strict gun laws and minimal gun deaths....we know it works we just wont do it....cuz merica!!!
Another thing that annoys me is when the pro-gun folks look down their noses at the "gun free zones" as if they are advertisements for people to go commit mass killings there.
I heard this somewhere the other day....remember back in the day when it was commonplace to not wear a seat belt and to also grab a beer or two for the road? Then both of those stopped in the name of making the roads safer. Were people overly against those changes?
The other day here in the wild wild west aka Houston some dudes decided they wanted to go shoot up a house because of a beef with an older teenager in the family. They unloaded on the place and ended up killing a 6yr old who was asleep in his bed. Is that OK for the people who support guns? If that happened to an NRA/congressman family would they just shrug their shoulders and say shtein happens?
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 04, 2015, 01:18:24 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 04, 2015, 01:05:31 AM
Short of rounding up every gun on the planet and melting them down, what do people really expect reform to accomplish? Serious question. What's the actual end game?.
its not an end game its a nooks and cranny game
how about it not being as easy to purchase a gun as it is a slurpee
how about having to register a gun like you do a car
how about gun shows 'showing' guns instead of selling them under no regulation
how about banning fully automatic weapons...machine guns were everywhere until a law was passed
the answer to your question is that there are literally dozens of ways we could curb gun violence if America (both right and left) would gow a set and vote on real legislation instead of catering to the three thousand people in their district that will keep them in office
IGY you beautiful SOB. Well said my man, well said.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 04, 2015, 01:18:24 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 04, 2015, 01:05:31 AM
Short of rounding up every gun on the planet and melting them down, what do people really expect reform to accomplish? Serious question. What's the actual end game?.
its not an end game its a nooks and cranny game
how about it not being as easy to purchase a gun as it is a slurpee
how about having to register a gun like you do a car
how about gun shows 'showing' guns instead of selling them under no regulation
how about banning fully automatic weapons...machine guns were everywhere until a law was passed
the answer to your question is that there are literally dozens of ways we could curb gun violence if America (both right and left) would gow a set and vote on real legislation instead of catering to the three thousand people in their district that will keep them in office
I'm down with pretty much all of that, but in the end I really don't see any of these ideas being all that effective. It would mostly be a fluff law....something that will supposedly make a lot of people feel safer while actually doing very little to ensure actual safety.
So while I'm not going all "don't tread on me/2nd amendment nutso" who wants to arm school teachers and students, I just don't think that there's any legislation ideas out there that will make a tangible, noticeable difference.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 04, 2015, 01:45:54 AM
No one needs an AR-15 or any weapon similar to that. They are not hunting guns (well they are for human hunting). Extended mags aren't needed for handguns.
No one
needs a car that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds or tops out at 200mph. But they're cool as shtein and people want them. If you want to regulate one thing based on what people need vs what they don't need, then you need to regulate everything that people don't actually need. And who makes the determination as to what is necessary and what isn't?
QuoteThe "don't tread on me and take my guns" crowd thinks pro-gun reform people want them all wiped off the face of the earth. But its not even that. Limit what John Q Public is allowed to own/buy. Make them heavily regulated via registration.
Technically, this actually is in direct contrast to the 2nd amendment. Part of the purpose of the amendment is so that people can defend themselves and their property from the fed gov't should the feds ever decide to wage war against the people. So if we start putting limitations on what people can own, we do in a way, put more power in the feds' hands, and that's something I'm not really on board with. Understand that my argument here isn't specifically about being pro-gun as much as it's about preventing the fed gov't from gaining more power.
QuoteAnd lets be real about owning a gun...most people are NOT equipped to handle themselves as they believe they are with a weapon. The ones who think they can shoot a human being, and be a good enough shot, to shoot the offender while the adrenaline is flowing are in for a rude awakening should they ever get in that situation.
Agreed. Which is why I would fully support some sort of required weapons safety and training program for any gun owner.
QuoteThe NRA folks want everyone armed.
The NRA is to gun rights as Al Sharpton is to Civil Rights. Seriously....farg the NRA. Bunch of paranoid whack jobs who are more concerned with whether or not Obama is going to raid their armory than they are with schools and movie theaters getting shot up, or toddlers picking up daddy's pistol of the nightstand and blowing his head off. But just because the NRA is group of deranged lunatics, that doesn't necessarily mean that taking a completely opposite stance from them is the right thing to do.
QuoteI believe in owning a handgun. And I would be willing to have it registered and pay a yearly registration fee. I would also be wiling to submit myself to whatever lengthy background check and waiting period that goes along with it. I do not believe in owning arsenals nor do I believe in owning long guns outside of a shotgun and hunting rifle.
Luckily no one can or will force you to purchase a gun that you don't want. But just because it doesn't fit in your comfort zone doesn't necessarily mean that others should have to live according to your beliefs.....ie: Kim Davis.
QuoteSarge I am sure you saw people in your military career who weren't good shots or people who you did not exhibit the mental capacity to be trusted with weapons outside of the controlled military environment.
Oh yeah.....I saw plenty of people who were more likely to take out their own men rather than the enemy if they ever saw combat. I also see plenty of really bad drivers every day who have no business being behind the wheel of a car.....unless they are actually behind the car and are getting run over.
QuotePeople say "well how do you even begin to regulate and fix this"...there's only one way to eat an elephant and that is bit by bit. Gotta start somewhere....
It's the end point that I'm more concerned with.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 04, 2015, 03:40:14 AM
I'm down with pretty much all of that, but in the end I really don't see any of these ideas being all that effective.
why have any laws then
I'm all for background checks, registration, etc. The problem is criminals will always get their hands on guns especially with 300 million of them in circulation in this country. Sorry, but the cork is out of the bottle and the genie has escaped. There's no going back. There's no confiscating them either. I mean, theoretically it's possible and I'd be all in if we had a legitimate chance to create a gun-free liberal utopia, but that's not going to happen.
We're savages and we're going to keep slaughtering each other. It's in our DNA and there's no changing that now.
That's pretty much the deal.
We could improve things a bit by putting gun criminals in prison for draconian sentences.
Possess on illegally....20 years.
Point one at someone, 30 years.
Shoot at someone, 40 years.
Shoot someone, 50.
Kill someone, life.
No parole. Gun crimes are worth building prisons for, and it's worth keeping people who break gun laws out of the playground.
See if that doesn't change some behavior over the course of a few decades.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 04, 2015, 04:06:55 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 04, 2015, 01:45:54 AM
No one needs an AR-15 or any weapon similar to that. They are not hunting guns (well they are for human hunting). Extended mags aren't needed for handguns.
No one needs a car that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds or tops out at 200mph. But they're cool as shtein and people want them. If you want to regulate one thing based on what people need vs what they don't need, then you need to regulate everything that people don't actually need. And who makes the determination as to what is necessary and what isn't?
QuoteThe "don't tread on me and take my guns" crowd thinks pro-gun reform people want them all wiped off the face of the earth. But its not even that. Limit what John Q Public is allowed to own/buy. Make them heavily regulated via registration.
Technically, this actually is in direct contrast to the 2nd amendment. Part of the purpose of the amendment is so that people can defend themselves and their property from the fed gov't should the feds ever decide to wage war against the people. So if we start putting limitations on what people can own, we do in a way, put more power in the feds' hands, and that's something I'm not really on board with. Understand that my argument here isn't specifically about being pro-gun as much as it's about preventing the fed gov't from gaining more power.
QuoteAnd lets be real about owning a gun...most people are NOT equipped to handle themselves as they believe they are with a weapon. The ones who think they can shoot a human being, and be a good enough shot, to shoot the offender while the adrenaline is flowing are in for a rude awakening should they ever get in that situation.
Agreed. Which is why I would fully support some sort of required weapons safety and training program for any gun owner.
QuoteThe NRA folks want everyone armed.
The NRA is to gun rights as Al Sharpton is to Civil Rights. Seriously....farg the NRA. Bunch of paranoid whack jobs who are more concerned with whether or not Obama is going to raid their armory than they are with schools and movie theaters getting shot up, or toddlers picking up daddy's pistol of the nightstand and blowing his head off. But just because the NRA is group of deranged lunatics, that doesn't necessarily mean that taking a completely opposite stance from them is the right thing to do.
QuoteI believe in owning a handgun. And I would be willing to have it registered and pay a yearly registration fee. I would also be wiling to submit myself to whatever lengthy background check and waiting period that goes along with it. I do not believe in owning arsenals nor do I believe in owning long guns outside of a shotgun and hunting rifle.
Luckily no one can or will force you to purchase a gun that you don't want. But just because it doesn't fit in your comfort zone doesn't necessarily mean that others should have to live according to your beliefs.....ie: Kim Davis.
QuoteSarge I am sure you saw people in your military career who weren't good shots or people who you did not exhibit the mental capacity to be trusted with weapons outside of the controlled military environment.
Oh yeah.....I saw plenty of people who were more likely to take out their own men rather than the enemy if they ever saw combat. I also see plenty of really bad drivers every day who have no business being behind the wheel of a car.....unless they are actually behind the car and are getting run over.
QuotePeople say "well how do you even begin to regulate and fix this"...there's only one way to eat an elephant and that is bit by bit. Gotta start somewhere....
It's the end point that I'm more concerned with.
You keep bringing up the car example, but here's the thing....A car was built to do something other than kill people. And because they are so dangerous, we have reacted in kind with extreme measures of saftey. Mandatory training for people who want to use a car anywhere from a few months to a year+, if you count the time where new drivers have to be supervised while driving. To mention the whole needing to be registered, insured, etc.
If we handled new gun owners the same way we handled new car drivers, I'd be incredibly happy.
Dio is spot on with the prison sentences. Stop locking people up for years for small drug possessions and hammer the shtein out of gun crime offenders.
Also Munson is right with the rebuttal to the car example.
Cars need licensed drivers and insured drivers. You don't have to have either to own a gun.
Imagine if you were required to carry insurance to own a gun? Hell I like that idea a lot to be honest.
So when someone's kid is playing with that glock they carelessly left out and the kid accidentally shoots their little friend? Parents not only go to jail for poorly securing their weapon but their gun insurance policy pays out to the dead kids family.
You're kid kills himself with your gun...life sentence for you. His death ain't punishment enough.
Stop farging around.
Munson, which part of my saying that I'd fully support gun training classes for gun owners (which would be the same thing as requiring a DL for cars) didn't you understand?
And if you dig deep enough in this thread, I'm almost certain that I said like 2 or 3 years ago that I'd be down with gun owners having to carry some sort of insurance policy.
And I agree 100% with Dio on the extremely severe prison sentences.
I don't have a problem with tightening things up a little bit...or even a lot. That's never been the message. What I have been saying is that I don't see any of these ideas actually being effective at reducing the gun violence in this country.
bottom line is there are literally hundreds of things we could do....we instead do nothing
and in fact a large part of our country thinks the answer is to arm more people
we are a pathetic joke
Absolutely.
To say that mass shootings happen in the US and not in other nations is incorrect.
Politifact article on Obama's statements to that effect. (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/22/barack-obama/barack-obama-correct-mass-killings-dont-happen-oth/)
I'm not saying that I'm not in favor of some common-sense gun legislation - why should gun owners not be registered? - but the facts just do not support a blanket statement that mass shootings are solely a U.S. problem.
Now, the overall murder rate? That could be a more secure starting point for this conversation. Just not as sensationalist in its nature.
nm...already posted.
Bel Air's about to get real crowded.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
Huh...so about those stricter regulations...bought legally. Time to tighten up.
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/mom-oregon-shooter-bragged-weapons-online-report-article-1.2383689?cid=msn
Damn lady...
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 04, 2015, 01:05:31 AM
Short of rounding up every gun on the planet and melting them down, what do people really expect reform to accomplish? Serious question. What's the actual end game?
I've said for years that I'm on board with some moderate reform to make it harder for the wrong people to legally purchase guns, but what's that really going to solve?
As much as we have a problem with gun violence in this country, there's really no legislation that can even slightly improve things, let alone make a significant change.
The change has to be in our culture more than anything else.
I'll just say that Legislation to ban them will not fix the issue at hand. Even when the legislation is enacted, it opens up the door for so many workarounds that were not envisioned by those writing the laws that it makes them a moot point.
Look at Chicago's handgun ban, and how the murder rate by handgun has increased. Dio is on point about punishment for commission of felony's with a weapon laws. You're going to have a much broader impact if the sentence is so harsh that it has an impact on the mentality of those perpetrating the crime. If you want to crack down on straw purchases, this is where the punishment part should completely mimic the penalties of the person who commits the crime.
You're never going to round up all of the weapons in this country, and if you do you would need to enact mandatory registration of any and all firearms. Cuomo did that for any assault weapons aka black scary guns in NY(Safe Act), and its widely considered a failure since the list is mostly comprised of police officers and military registrants who had to register to maintain a clean record. At last count they estimated between a 5-10% compliance rate, not exactly what Cuomo envisioned.
We've covered it before, the laws all depend on the state that you reside. The Brady Bill basically sets the stage for all background checks thru state and federal db's for new gun purchases. Where it falls short is that it's only applies for sales from FFL's and relies on states to cover individual sales. The Federal NICS DB works in its current form, but it can't identify those who are having mental breakdowns that haven't been formally sent for evaluation.
In the end, I'd like to see Enhanced penalties for straw purchases and FFL requirements for any purchases or transfers of possession as a national statute. Required training and certification for any regulated weapon and Storage requirements. The mental health portion is the toughest to change because of HIPPA laws, but I do think there has to be a compromise there.
punishment does not deter crime...never has never will
availability is the answer
Punishment absolutely does deter crime. Why else do dealers have children carry their dope and guns? Because they don't want to do the time, and the kids won't get real time.
There are a lot of motherfargers carrying today who would leave it at home tomorrow if they knew they'd be down for 20 no parole if they got picked up.
crime is higher in places where there is the death penalty....mandatory minimum sentences dud nothing to stop drugs
someone is not going to use a gun because the will get 40 years instead of 15
I think Dio is right in the sense that someone who normally wouldn't carry a weapon would think twice about carrying if there was a no questions asked 20yr sentence attached to it.
outstadning piece on the shootout at the waco corral....seems as tho the police may have instigated it
http://www.gq.com/story/untold-story-texas-biker-gang-shoot-out
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 05, 2015, 05:22:38 PM
I think Dio is right..
The point I am trying to make regarding punishment for gun criminals is not that draconian sentencing will create a substantial deterence effect--though do I believe it might--but that it will take bad actors out of society. If some think twice about waving a gun around in a traffic dispute because they'd rather not do 20 years, all the better...but what I want is for the guy who does do that to actually be kicked out of the playground of society.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 07, 2015, 04:27:38 PM
outstadning piece on the shootout at the waco corral....seems as tho the police may have instigated it
http://www.gq.com/story/untold-story-texas-biker-gang-shoot-out
Started reading this last night...saw it on the long form website
And I'm with you Dio. Throw the book at them. Of course the book needs to have those hardcore laws in it first
Quote from: Diomedes on October 07, 2015, 06:15:07 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 05, 2015, 05:22:38 PM
I think Dio is right..
The point I am trying to make regarding punishment for gun criminals is not that draconian sentencing will create a substantial deterence effect--though do I believe it might--but that it will take bad actors out of society. If some think twice about waving a gun around in a traffic dispute because they'd rather not do 20 years, all the better...but what I want is for the guy who does do that to actually be kicked out of the playground of society.
that never works tho....sweeping incarcement gets far too many good or not so bad guys in its net....one thing that always works tho is less of a bad thing is a good thing....whether that means machine guns...cigarettes....cars without seatbelts....sugary soda...drugs etc...
when theres less of anything that causes harm the harm goes down
more guns but harsher punishment will do nothing
Did you ever study the history of prohibition?
I have. We're days away from winning the War on Drugs.
the war on drugs didn't work cause it never was about making drugs less prevalent just over criminalizing them
prohibition absolutely cut down on alcohol use and if you banned alcohol today alcohol related deaths would undoubtedly be slashed
these are obvious facts
One killed, 3 injured in shooting at Northern Arizona University (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/09/us/northern-arizona-university-shooting/index.html)
QuoteOne person died and three others were injured in an overnight shooting at Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, university officials said Friday.
The shooter was in custody, and the school was not on lockdown, university spokesman Cindy Brown told CNN.
The shooting happened in a parking lot next to the Mountain View residence hall around 1:20 a.m., she said.
Why not remove any restriction on lawsuits and actually enact legislation that would hold gun manufacturers and sellers liable for acts that are committed with a gun? It may have an adverse impact on lawful gun owners, but it could spur the dealers and manufacturers to require background checks and other controls. Could address the availability issue that IGY raises. Problem is there are so many guns that are already out there.
Society also needs to examine our acceptance of guns. In many ways, society has shamed the smoker/drunk driver/drug addict. The challenge is the marginalized in our society still embrace these vices and may continue to love their guns. Unfortunately, these shooters tend to come from these marginalized classes. Dio is right with the harsher penalties.
Hey, those gun companies paid big money to both sides of the Aisle to get the liability protection. Maybe the suits who signed off on it should pay back the money they received.
Obama's new Executive action order is fine with me. It's set for folks who sell more than 50 unregulated weapons to be required to file as an FFL. Makes total sense to me, but I'm curious how many people would actually fit that bill. If its sales of regulated weapons ie handgun/assault weapons, those all have to be done with a FFL or at the appropriate authority which is usually the state police.
The thing is, the executive action does nothing to address any of the weapons that were procured for anything from sandy hook to Umpqua. So a fluff common sense rule is either being presented to placate one side or incense another, or maybe just to see who stands up for what.
If you want to address our society's acceptance of guns, look no further than every network tv show.
Active shooters in San Bernardino; 'multiple victims' (http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/nation/2015/12/02/officials-shooting-reported-calif-golf-course/76675776/)
QuoteSAN BERNARDINO, Calif. — San Bernardino authorities reported Wednesday as many as 3 active shooters with rifles and "multiple victims" at a social services center. Witnesses report shooters wearing ski masks and vests.
There were reports of multiple victims, Lt. Rich Lawhead told the Associated Press. The San Bernardino Fire Department said on Twitter that there are reports of possibly 20 victims.
Here we go again.
minimum 12 dead
america didnt give a shtein about a classroom full of 1st graders was annihilated, like its going to care about a center for retards
farg this country
ghetto bird live shot of the police having the suspects cornered at an intersection...shot being ripped off...crazy
Wait - they shot up special needs people?!
one suspect in custody....two others shot....one dead
So I have been busy as farg today and just heard about all this
any news on what and why this happened?
I mean other than it just being another day in Wayne LaPierre's America
I heard that the auditorium in which the shooter(s) attacked people was rented out at the time.
Would love to know what group had that rental if the report is true.
if its a specific beef with this center or whatever group may have rented out that room then its really bizarre that there are three shooters...usually that one mans beef and you don't or cant get people to help you
three people to me sounds like domestic terrorism....I believe its a government facility...that might be the connection...but even in that case how many people would associate a place like that with the federal government
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 02, 2015, 06:38:59 PM
I believe its a government facility...that might be the connection...but even in that case how many people would associate a place like that with the federal government
Social Services Center? Is that where all the welfare queens line up so Obama can give them my money?
Quote from: Diomedes on December 02, 2015, 06:33:26 PM
Would love to know what group had that rental if the report is true.
The Department of Public Health. Hard to imagine any political motive specifically targeting them. Maybe Jim Carrey didn't like them setting people up with flu shots.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 02, 2015, 06:43:01 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 02, 2015, 06:38:59 PM
I believe its a government facility...that might be the connection...but even in that case how many people would associate a place like that with the federal government
Social Services Center? Is that where all the welfare queens line up so Obama can give them my money?
i mean thats not what it is at all....but i suppose some MA meathead could certainly think that....youd think one of the three people that would go plan something like this...dress like they did and use the weapons they did would have known exactly what they were attacking
now one of these guys is supposedly loose and barricaded in a church
Has he asked for sanctuary?
looks like the ghetto bird is over the church now
The War on Christmas is finally heating up.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVRCRkiXAAAdXfJ.jpg)
Seriously. It's way past time to do something.
Stop the farging madness.
I was out tonight having some drinks with vendors and customers at Top Golf. I couldn't play bc of my arm so I'm bullshteinting with everyone. Group next to us is talking about this bc it as shown on the TVs. I said welcome to the new USA where we are renowned for mass shooting and one dude says "it's the price we pay for freedoms. I bet those who are dead wish they had a gun to defense themself"
Wtffffff
Oh and the GOP can farg off. Hate mongering NRA tit sucking iceholes
And another thing - the GOP candidates can tweet their thoughts and prayers now but when planned parenthood was getting smoked those corksuckers were silent.
Mass Shootings Have Become More Common In The U.S. (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/mass-shootings-have-become-more-common-in-the-u-s/?ex_cid=story-twitter)
QuoteMother Jones magazine gathered data on mass shootings for a 2012 investigation and has continued to update its list, counting 72 incidents from 1982 through Tuesday. The magazine uses relatively strict criteria — the incidents must occur in public places and can't involve gangs or robbery. The primary motive must be mass murder. Also, Mother Jones excludes incidents in which the shooter killed three people or fewer — meaning that its count doesn't include the shooting at a Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood clinic last week that killed three people. Events that fit the criteria are rare — the high in a single year was seven, in 2012. That means single large events have a big impact on the data, making it noisy. But the long-term trend is clear: There have been more total mass shooting incidents and deaths in the 11 years starting with 2005 than there were in the previous 23 years combined.
Uh oh
Lead shooter had a Muslim name
Nevermind he was a US citizen. The righties are gonna be all over this
Third deadliest shooting in the last 20yrs in the USA
Gunzzzz
QuoteOne of the seriously injured in the Kalamazoo attack, a 14-year-old girl, was believed to have been dead for more than hour when she squeezed her mother's hand as doctors were preparing to harvest her organs, police officer Dale Hinz told Michigan Live.
Pretty chilling. A girl the Uber driver shot.
How in the actual farg could they mistake her for dead, and only realize the mistake like that? Jesus Christ.
no chance that story is true....its a great story but simply isn't real....good click bait tho
numerous outlets are reporting it including the wash post, nbc news and such. She had already been pronounced dead. Maybe they are all wrong though.
As far as your click bait theory, the bbc article I quoted was entitled Kalamazoo killings: US Uber driver charged over shooting spree
lol at thinking a neat story is true because a major news outlet runs it
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 22, 2016, 09:42:06 PM
numerous outlets are reporting it including the wash post, nbc news and such.
The problem is that one outlet publishes a story - correct or not - and then the rest of the copy-and-paste journalists jump on it. There is no accountability any more.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on February 23, 2016, 07:28:48 AM
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 22, 2016, 09:42:06 PM
numerous outlets are reporting it including the wash post, nbc news and such.
The problem is that one outlet publishes a story - correct or not - and then the rest of the copy-and-paste journalists jump on it. There is no accountability any more.
exactly
Yep. Another one. Kansas. (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/02/25/reports-2-dead-hesston-kansas-workplace-shooting/80954886/)
2 people shot at high school graduation ceremony in Kansas (http://townhall.com/news/us/2016/05/15/2-people-shot-at-high-school-graduation-ceremony-in-kansas-n2163523)
QuoteAugusta Police Chief Tyler Brewer said Sunday afternoon that the shooting was accidental and described it as a "knucklehead situation." The bullet went through the man's foot and traveled about another 50 feet before striking a woman in her calf. The woman has been released from a Wichita hospital, while the man has been admitted with an injury that's not life-threatening.
guarantee that douche was erect that morning as he went through all kinds of hero scenarios in his head.
Orlando now...just awful.
Hate crime too. Happened in a gay club and they were specifically being targeted. Of course the homophobes are out in full force celebrating right now, because, you know... God and shtein.
nm
Omar Mateen has been identified as the murderer. Evidently had been radicalized... shockeroony.
Shame, if he was just a few shades lighter he could have been a troubled young man instead.
Can you imagine the cognitive dissonance currently being experienced by millions of fundamental christian americans today?
Dead gays good / muslim terrorism bad
I'd wager it settles out for most of them as a net gain and they'll have applebees after church and feel better about the world.
The usual nonsense is being spewed. Ban Muslims, deport all non-Americans (even though this dipshtein WAS American)... blah, blah, blah.
Oh another mass shooting? This one is now the worst ever.
I woke up to people I know in Orlando being marked safe on FB. Weird. So I looked and saw the news. And that was a mistake because of the ignorance of many.
"Libtards r afraid of saying Islamic terrorist!" Is the main sentiment being thrown around now
People defending owning ar-15
Trump is gonna politicize this and his people will latch on. Buckle up
Wow, 50 dead. Worst mass shooting in U.S. history.
The Orlando gay community...my god they are going to need some love and help.
I'm disgusted to read what the gun nuts are saying
Not shocked anymore though. This is now commonplace in the US. Nothing will ever be done. It wasn't enough when a school was shot up and little kids died.
I read something in particular this morning that made me want to throw up. "What if one man was in there with a gun... would this have happened?"
Well, yes considering there was an off-duty Orlando cop in there doing security and he was one of the first to get shot.
Like Dio said, the right wing nuts out there are having a tough day because sinners got killed (yay!) and a suspected Muslim extremist killed them (boo!)...
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People are lining up to donate blood in Orlando.
Awesome.
Quote from: Rome on June 12, 2016, 12:17:08 PM
I read something in particular this morning that made me want to throw up. "What if one man was in there with a gun... would this have happened?"
Well, yes considering there was an off-duty Orlando cop in there doing security and he was one of the first to get shot.
Like Dio said, the right wing nuts out there are having a tough day because sinners got killed (yay!) and a suspected Muslim extremist killed them (boo!)...
The righties are all about the Muslim connection right now. And may God have mercy on your soul if you try to talk guns with them. It's not the guns fault! He was Isis and legally allowed to carry!
The Texas lt gov posted some bible verse this morning about reaping what you sow. It stayed up for five hours until finally deleted.
What can people to to help?
Pray.
That was Rick Scott's response
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2016/06/lt-gov-dan-patrick-condemned-for-scheduled-tweet-following-orlando-attack.html/
Quote@realDonaldTrump: Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism, I don't want congrats, I want toughness & vigilance. We must be smart!
I say prayers every day about Rick Scott. Considering he's still in office I'd say they're not being answered to my satisfaction.
#godsasleepattheswitch
Trump's buffoonery is embarrassing. This had nothing to do with that shteinhead's religion. It was a hate crime specifically targeting LGBT's and he was an American citizen. Not sure how being tough and vigilant would have stopped him from committing mass murder either. Disgusting vile piece of shtein.
News coming out now that dude called 911 prior to entering and claimed allegiance to the head of Isis
http://www.latimes.com/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html
Whoa...
Quote from: Rome on June 12, 2016, 01:00:47 PM
I say prayers every day about Rick Scott. Considering he's still in office I'd say they're not being answered to my satisfaction.
#godsasleepattheswitch
50 dead and its still about him...and his voters think he cares about them
Quote from: Diomedes on June 12, 2016, 10:18:48 AM
Can you imagine the cognitive dissonance currently being experienced by millions of fundamental christian americans today?
Dead gays good / muslim terrorism bad
I'd wager it settles out for most of them as a net gain and they'll have applebees after church and feel better about the world.
Sadly, that is true about a number of people I have known. Not the majority, but more than a few.
Quote from: Rome on June 12, 2016, 01:00:47 PM
I say prayers every day about Rick Scott. Considering he's still in office alive I'd say they're not being answered to my satisfaction.
#godsasleepattheswitch
"This is an act of terrorism and hate" - Obama
"But he didn't say Islamic terrorism! He's taking our guns! We want Trump!" - mouth breathing idiots
I'm angry as farg. I'm sick of this shtein happening. I'm tired of the ignorance and politics. Why can't there be any civil discourse about the guns AND terrorism?
rich white little kids got slaughtered and nothing happened...that was the time when any hope of real gun control vanished forever
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 12, 2016, 02:19:22 PM
"This is an act of terrorism and hate" - Obama
"But he didn't say Islamic terrorism! He's taking our guns! We want Trump!" - mouth breathing idiots
I'm angry as farg. I'm sick of this shtein happening. I'm tired of the ignorance and politics. Why can't there be any civil discourse about the guns AND terrorism?
Right now, this nation doesn't seem to be able to have much civil discourse about anything.
You're both right.
When people ignored Sandy Hook (and some sickos still deny this happened for chrissakes!) the hope for any gun control ended. Over.
And now the screechers are saying how it's Islam that's the problem not guns. Oh. Well was it an Islamic fellow who did the sandy hook, aurora and charleston killings?
dooks ex wife has said he wasn't even religious
Think that'll stop the narrative?
The pledging of allegiance to Isis is going to be front and center.
What should be front and farging center is the fact this dude was investigated by the FBI twice and get was still allowed to have a license to carry and purchase weapons.
And why was he allowed to buy weapons?
Because the GOP struck down the farging bill to close that option to buy weapons for people on government watch lists!
But yeah...not about guns.
http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/06/12/hypocrites-republicans-offering-prayers-accepting-money-nra/
http://gawker.com/fox-news-commentator-blames-orlando-shooting-on-obama-1781846874?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_twitter&utm_source=gawker_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
That didn't take long.
twitter is often a repugnant place but its especially vile and gross right now....ugly country full of ugly people that deserve trump
I don't believe the jerkoff who planned to get after the LA Pride Parade is Muslim. He had a farging arsenal.
Where's the "guns ain't a problem it's them damn mooslims" fargups at?
I just let the local hick reporter at Fox News Orlando have it with the "I can't understand what's happening in 'our' country bullshtein."
It's guns you farging dipshtein. Assault weapons are why these massacres keep happening. Gutless bought and paid for farging politicians who take blood money from the NRA to look the other way are why this keeps happening.
Oh, and cram your thoughts and prayers for the victims up your asses too. This isn't a tragedy. A tragedy is a train derailment or a plane crash. This was entirely preventable and it's on you motherfargers.
where was today's outrage from the right after the racist massacre in Charleston
Yep.
The thoughts and prayers from the GOPers ring hollow
Some dude on Twitter is RTing every politician who offered a prayers tweet with the amount of money they've taken from the NRA
The first victims names to be released are all hispanic sounding too. That'll be yet another interesting aspect to how this evolves. Wonder if the righteous anger from the right wing dies out faster when we find out all 50 of them were hispanic. 50 gay "illegals" dying at the hands of a gun, or islamic terrorism. Interesting dynamic.
Quote from: Munson on June 12, 2016, 06:56:51 PM
The first victims names to be released are all hispanic sounding too. That'll be yet another interesting aspect to how this evolves. Wonder if the righteous anger from the right wing dies out faster when we find out all 50 of them were hispanic. 50 gay "illegals" dying at the hands of a gun, or islamic terrorism. Interesting dynamic.
They were having a Latino Night.
lol Munson this many years later continues to be a cranial lump
I meant to post this the other day but how true is this only a couple days later
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/obama-to-gun-owners-im-not-looking-to-disarm-you/
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/06/12/3787581/obama-haunting-confrontation-pro-gun-activist-just-days-orlando-massacre/
Looks familiar
Quote from: General_Failure on June 12, 2016, 07:05:10 PM
Quote from: Munson on June 12, 2016, 06:56:51 PM
The first victims names to be released are all hispanic sounding too. That'll be yet another interesting aspect to how this evolves. Wonder if the righteous anger from the right wing dies out faster when we find out all 50 of them were hispanic. 50 gay "illegals" dying at the hands of a gun, or islamic terrorism. Interesting dynamic.
They were having a Latino Night.
lol....my point is, it'll be fun to watch the right wing anger over this 'terrorist attack' die out as it comes out that 'real americans' weren't the victims.
It'll be glossed over that they were Latino or gay, and that the shooter was born here. The narrative is that a Radical Muslim killed Americans.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 13, 2016, 01:51:39 AM
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/06/12/3787581/obama-haunting-confrontation-pro-gun-activist-just-days-orlando-massacre/
So what you're telling me is that as the Obama Regime is in its death throes he's announcing his Jihad and spitting in the face of good, honest, Christian Americans.
I said this this morning to my Neanderthal collegues:
"Remember the last time An American bigot slaughtered other Americans?
His name was Tim McVeigh."
*** silence ***
Quote from: Rome on June 13, 2016, 01:43:13 PM
I said this this morning to my Neanderthal collegues:
"Remember the last time An American bigot slaughtered other Americans?
His name was Tim McVeigh."
*** silence ***
it was actually Dylan roof rome
True but they actually know who McVeigh was. Gotta play to the level of the audience.
ugh
fair but depressing point
Trump is now accusing Obama of being a traitor.
LOL
let him keep doing that....he has zero chance to win
http://bigstory.ap.org/d9adf457747446498991b7549fd1f4fa
And he's yanked WaPo's press credentials from his campaign
What a funhole
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/government/state/tennessee-rep-holt-to-give-away-ar-15-at-fundraiser-352f00e2-f4cc-176a-e053-0100007fb102-382739961.html?d=mobile
aaaaaaaaaaaand he was gay
http://gawker.com/orlando-shooter-was-reportedly-a-regular-at-pulse-and-h-1781920316
this couldn't be less of a terror attack....but ISIS!
the media including the liberal media is a travesty right now
There's several liberal outlets that are worthy of praise here for keeping their eye on the ball, dude. I agree about the MSM, though. They're absolutely revolting.
Also - speaking of the media, I keep wondering where a man like this who says things like this is right now:
QuoteNo one familiar with the history of this country can deny that congressional committees are useful. It is necessary to investigate before legislating, but the line between investigating and persecuting is a very fine one and the junior Senator from Wisconsin has stepped over it repeatedly. His primary achievement has been in confusing the public mind, as between the internal and the external threats of Communism. We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men -- not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular.
This is no time for men who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods to keep silent, or for those who approve. We can deny our heritage and our history, but we cannot escape responsibility for the result. There is no way for a citizen of a republic to abdicate his responsibilities. As a nation we have come into our full inheritance at a tender age. We proclaim ourselves, as indeed we are, the defenders of freedom, wherever it continues to exist in the world, but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin have caused alarm and dismay amongst our allies abroad, and given considerable comfort to our enemies. And whose fault is that? Not really his. He didn't create this situation of fear; he merely exploited it -- and rather successfully. Cassius was right. "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves."
Good night, and good luck.
Because we could sure as farg use one with a rabid mongrel like Trump running loose.
So he used religion as a reason and it wasn't even it
Hook line and sinker for a lot of the idiots all in on radical Islam
Say radical! Oh! No? Coward!
Quote from: Rome on June 13, 2016, 07:43:20 PM
QuoteNo one familiar with the history of this country can deny that congressional committees are useful. It is necessary to investigate before legislating, but the line between investigating and persecuting is a very fine one and the junior Senator from Wisconsin has stepped over it repeatedly. His primary achievement has been in confusing the public mind, as between the internal and the external threats of Communism. We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men -- not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular.
This is no time for men who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods to keep silent, or for those who approve. We can deny our heritage and our history, but we cannot escape responsibility for the result. There is no way for a citizen of a republic to abdicate his responsibilities. As a nation we have come into our full inheritance at a tender age. We proclaim ourselves, as indeed we are, the defenders of freedom, wherever it continues to exist in the world, but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin have caused alarm and dismay amongst our allies abroad, and given considerable comfort to our enemies. And whose fault is that? Not really his. He didn't create this situation of fear; he merely exploited it -- and rather successfully. Cassius was right. "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves."
Good night, and good luck.
Because we could sure as farg use one with a rabid mongrel like Trump running loose.
amen
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/gun-stocks-shoot-upward-orlando-shooting-article-1.2671638?cid=bitly
Shoulda bought stock
If you're going to, just do it now. There's always going to be another shooting to get FOX News making people worry that them liberals are gonna take their guns.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pulse-orlando-nightclub-shooting/os-orlando-nightclub-omar-mateen-profile-20160613-story.html
You're right tho GF I should lol
And I want to hear the repubs who spent all day yesterday schreeching about radical Islam walk their shtein back
farg gays and guns its all about muslims
http://m.tmz.com/#article/2016/06/13/orlando-shooting-snapchat-inside-pulse/
This girl was eventually killed
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 13, 2016, 08:20:13 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pulse-orlando-nightclub-shooting/os-orlando-nightclub-omar-mateen-profile-20160613-story.html
You're right tho GF I should lol
And I want to hear the repubs who spent all day yesterday schreeching about radical Islam walk their shtein back
I'd especially like to hear from the Log Cabin Republicans who are strangely silent now after demanding President Obama cite radical Islam as the impetus here.
Quote from: Rome on June 13, 2016, 08:58:16 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 13, 2016, 08:20:13 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pulse-orlando-nightclub-shooting/os-orlando-nightclub-omar-mateen-profile-20160613-story.html
You're right tho GF I should lol
And I want to hear the repubs who spent all day yesterday schreeching about radical Islam walk their shtein back
I'd especially like to hear from the Log Cabin Republicans who are strangely silent now after demanding President Obama cite radical Islam as the impetus here.
I'm oddly amused by their insistence that they term is mentioned as if it's some cure all. Say the phrase and all the bad men go away?
You can't kill 50 people with a blunderbuss.
The 2nd amendment has been made irrelevant by technology.
The founders could not have imagined the killing power that would become available to every idiot who wants it, and would not have allowed it.
so trump has accused the president of the United States of somehow being behind the murders and has said the killer was "born in afghan"
if Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan don't come out today against a trump candidacy then they need to resign...this is a disgrace to our country
They haven't so far. Why would they now? McConnell has blood on his hands now and they're not altering the seven years old game plan.
forget the Obama accusation which is a disqualifyer right off the bat
he said the shooter was "born in afghan"...first of all what the farg is afghan and secondly he was born in the same god damn city you were...how are you a presidential candidate and have a prepared speech after the worst mass shooting in the country's history and have blatant wrong information in it
how farging pathetic do we look to the rest of the world...we are truly thru the looking glass now and it's really ugly
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 14, 2016, 07:10:15 AM
forget the Obama accusation which is a disqualifyer right off the bat
he said the shooter was "born in afghan"...first of all what the farg is afghan and secondly he was born in the same god damn city you were...how are you a presidential candidate and have a prepared speech after the worst mass shooting in the country's history and have blatant wrong information in it
how farging pathetic do we look to the rest of the world...we are truly thru the looking glass now and it's really ugly
Yep that's what I was saying last night - he's dangerous. He's knowingly lying to stoke the flames of his racist base and no one on his side is calling him on it. His aides are even saying Obama is involved
I don't even care if people say or think it...there were knuckleheads who thought bush and the cia was behind 9-11....but it was a handful of dopes on the internet...in a few months this farging guy is going to get ten of millions of votes for president of the united states
what is happening
The natural evolution of playing to your base.
I had a colleague accuse Obama of the same nonsense yesterday. They're just parroting what Trump is spewing. Yeah it's gross and really depressing but it's hardly news. The GOP has been stoking this fire for years now. What with the birther shtein, the thinly veiled racist rhetoric, the abject disrespect they show the President... it's all symptomatic of a greater ill that's been at the heart of their plan all along. They know the base eats it up and everyone else is either too shocked or apathetic to do a damn thing about it.
"born in afghan"
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ck6vr5_VEAAD6Jc.jpg:large)
I'm all for building a wall around New York...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckvDo2JHB7o
whoa
QuoteNBC NEWS EXCLUSIVE: Wife of Orlando shooter has told FBI that she tried to talk her husband out of the attack and is cooperating sources say
"Honey, I'm gonna go shoot up all them sexy queers that I'm totally not blowing on the weekends."
"No, don't do it. But if you do, I'm not calling the cops to maybe save some lives or anything."
Another incident in Amarillo WalMart??
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 14, 2016, 02:55:39 PM
Another incident in Amarillo WalMart??
Not possible. All the good guys in Texas carrying guns wouldn't let that happen.
They got rid of the holsters on their mobility scooters to put in another cup holder.
lol
True on both statements.
Depressing shtein.
And it seems it has been verified that the Orlando nut was indeed gay. But hey...MOOOOOOOSLIM EXTREMISM!
Dude, he totally wasn't gay. He just hung out in a gay bar for three years because he's so hetero. Just the thought of all them dudes rubbing their toned, oiled bodies together made him stiff. With rage, obviously. Hard, throbbing rage.
Paging Chuggie...
So Barry got pissed and had a nice little presser today eh?
I need to see this
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/politics/obama-pushes-back-against-criticism-over-terrorism-rhetoric/
It's not every day you're called a traitorous terrorist sympathizer. I'm surprised (and more than a little disappointed) Barry hasn't completely lost his shtein with that tangerine motherfarger. The gloves did come off, though.
sam bee doing work. watch. get angry. you should be angry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t88X1pYQu-I
Holy shtein at that Rubio quip about it could happen anywhere in the world and Orlando just happened to have its turn
Shooting at a gay club. Talk about a soft target.
Teen girl killed, 3 others injured in downtown Oakland shooting (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/06/15/6-shot-downtown-oakland-one-grave-condition/85908100/)
QuoteA teenage girl died and three others were injured Tuesday night in downtown Oakland, police said.
The 16-year-old, who was listed in critical condition, later died at the hospital. The other three victims in the shooting are in stable condition, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
The victims range in age from mid-teens to early 20s, the Associated Press reported. They were attending a vigil two blocks away for someone who drowned in Salinas, Calif. It's unclear if the shooting is connected to the memorial gathering.
http://6abc.com/news/man-claims-orlando-shooter-was-his-gay-lover/1396258/ (http://6abc.com/news/man-claims-orlando-shooter-was-his-gay-lover/1396258/)
County employee: At least 3 people dead in shooting at Berrien courthouse (http://www.wzzm13.com/news/crime/shots-fired-at-berrien-county-courthouse/269776304)
QuoteST. JOSEPH, MICH. - At least three people are dead at the Berrien County Courthouse following a shooting, an employee at the county prosecutor's office said.
Three people are dead and one person is injured, said the employee, who wished not to be named. Michigan State Police confirmed the shooting around 2:30 p.m. Monday, July 11.
Two of the people dead are court bailiffs. The other person dead is the shooter, the employee said.
State police have not confirmed those numbers nor the status of the shooter.
The employee at the prosecutor's office said the courthouse is under lockdown, and employees are being kept in their offices.
A Berrien County Commissioner told WZZM's ABC affiliate WBND reporter Vahid Sadrzadeh on scene that a man who was on his way to jail took a gun off a deputy and started opening fire.
Another day in the USA
Nothing to see here
Repeal the 2nd Amendment. Confiscate the guns. Imprison those who don't comply.
Baton Rouge cops ambushed. 3 dead, more injured.
Good luck finding anyone to be a cop anymore.
Time to find different work.
dont you have multiple guns
I had a Browning Hi-Power, but gave it to a friend rather than fight with my wife about it.
I was scared at last year's riots and talked a big game about buying a shotgun, but realized once the fear subsided that I don't actually want one. What the farg am I gonna do with a shotgun?
So no, I have no guns.
I have several but I would gladly give them up if everyone else did.
set an example and throw them in the trash romey
If he did that someone in a truck full of broken washing machines and two giant confederate flags behind the cab would just pick them up, and then they'd have even more guns.
I have a 12 gauge shotgun that has been in my family since my grandfather's day and I have a Glock .40. The shotgun is an heirloom and my pistol is for my family's protection. I have a concealed weapons permit from my days in private practice and the pistol is in a safe with a gun lock on it. If things get bad I at least have a decent chance at protecting my family. I'm not Rambo and I'm not some macho schmuck who gets off on killing shtein or shooting holes in target pictures of Muslims. I'm a responsible gun owner, but again, I would give them up if we had a nation-wide consensus on it. We don't so I'll keep them, thanks.
I wonder how long until all the thoughts and prayers solves this gun/shooting problem?
Maybe we need more buildings lit up to show support? Or collections of tweets?
I mean this is what the solutions are right? Not legislation or constructive meetings.
Fort Myers club shooting: 2 dead, 14 injured outside teen party (http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/us/fort-myers-nightclub-shooting/index.html)
QuoteA shooting outside a Florida nightclub's teen party left two people dead and more than a dozen wounded, officials said.
Fort Myers police have not released the names or ages of those killed. But Lee Memorial Hospital said it received 16 people, ages 12 to 27, with injuries ranging from minor to life-threatening.
The shooting took place around 12:30 a.m. Monday in the parking lot of Club Blu Bar and Grill, police said.
Saw that story this morning. This one sure hits close to home - the victims may include students from my school.
Terrorism has been ruled out.
Local coverage. (http://www.winknews.com/2016/07/25/developing-gunshots-heard-large-deputy-presence-at-fort-myers-nightclub/)
Quotefrom cnn - Two children and a teacher shot at elementary school in Townville, SC, county official says. Teenage suspect in custody.
If only the children had guns to protect themselves.
been a while ... but - OSU.
Harbaugh?
that was inappropriate romey.
:-D
Seems like the suspect didn't have a gun. (http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/28/us/ohio-state-university-active-shooter/index.html)
Somali refugee and mulism...reportedly.
Oh great.
See, it's not just guns. You can kill a lot of people with kni.....
Oh, what. None dead?
Focus on the Muslim part. And if that doesn't float, trot out a doctor to say he's crazy.
Don't worry, the Muslim part will stick.
Donald will save us, guys. Relax.
9 injured in a shooting at the Fort Lauderdale airport.
Gunz
Quote from: SD on January 06, 2017, 01:28:49 PM
9 injured in a shooting at the Fort Lauderdale airport.
Gunz
I announced it to the office with a "USA" chant and a Trumper's response was "well if they stopped letting all THOSE people in this wouldn't happen"
Oh.
You mean humans? I gotta agree there. They're the worstest.
the dude @igorvolsky on twitter, anytime these shootings happen, finds the GOPers who have taken NRA money and retweets their #thoughtsandprayers pointless tweets
Romeys homie Rick Scott called the Fuhrer and pence and not Obama
Asked why
"Today's not the day to be political"
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2017/01/ft_lauderdale_airport_shooting_suspect_he_went_to.html
zzzzzzzzzzzz
20 children were massacred in their classroom and nothing happened. nothing will ever happen.
Pence literally scares the living shtein out of me. I'm not kidding either. I hear him speak and I get the creeping terrors.
When you hear Pence speak, you shtein yourself? Is that what you're saying?
Quote from: MDS on January 06, 2017, 07:19:45 PM
zzzzzzzzzzzz
20 children were massacred in their classroom and nothing happened. nothing will ever happen.
And some people deny it happened!
But yeah if that day/incident didn't change anything then we never will see it change
"The citizens of Florida will not tolerate senseless acts of evil," Scott said. "I just can't imagine how this ever happened in a state like ours"
Oh really? I mean just several months ago we had a mass shooting in your state, pal. Rather than offering up hollow thoughts and prayers how about fixing the farging problems?
The shooter checked his gun in his luggage - which consisted of just a gun - and decided to hop a flight. Curious as to how he ended up picking Florida as his final destination.
But the dude walked into the FBI offices some months ago and told them he was being forced to join ISIS amongst other wacked out things. And yet he was still allowed to possess a firearm. He served in Iraq and had issues after returning.
Mental health services in this country suck. More important to protect the gunzzzz!
the prototype stand your ground state cant imagine terrible things happening there.....nice
Stand your ground isn't a bad theory, IGY. For instance, if someone breaks into your house and your family is at risk, SYG allows you to kill the farg out of them without worrying about being thrown in jail for protecting your family. It's actually a common sense measure to combat out of control violence in this society being perpetrated against innocent people.
Where it goes wrong is with the gun bullshtein. SYG, like all other legal principles, has been manipulated and corrupted and turned into the heaping pile of shtein that it is now. That's why you have lawyers getting scum like George Zimmerman off by using the statute as a defensive lynch pin.
We had a break-in several years ago. icehole walked right into my garage and started rifling through shtein. The only reason he's alive today is because I confronted him and informed him that I was armed and ready to farg up his life forever. If he had taken a step towards me, he was dead as farg. Thankfully for both of us he took off. The cops arrested him a block from my house and when they searched his backpack, they found he was in possession of a Bowie knife. It wasn't in plain sight and although he busted into my house and I felt he was a threat to my family, if I had shot his ass, a case could have been made against me for killing him if not for stand your ground.
Stand your ground more often than not protects innocent victims, plain and simple. Of course you'll disagree and that's fine. I'm fine with that and I'm also fine knowing that the state prosecutor isn't coming after me for defending myself and my family.
As for Scott, he's a titanic piece of shtein. I have nothing but contempt for him and his ilk.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 06, 2017, 10:36:07 PM
When you hear Pence speak, you shtein yourself? Is that what you're saying?
Well, I usually make it to the commode. Usually.
Quote from: Rome on January 07, 2017, 07:11:44 AM
Stand your ground isn't a bad theory, IGY. For instance, if someone breaks into your house and your family is at risk, SYG allows you to kill the farg out of them without worrying about being thrown in jail for protecting your family. It's actually a common sense measure to combat out of control violence in this society being perpetrated against innocent people.
in every state if someone breaks into your house you can shoot someone to protect your family or yourself...stand your ground doesnt do shtein except let people get away with murder
That's just factually inaccurate. Whatever though.
I think Havas is confusing SYG and Castle Doctrine, which I beleive every state does have in some form. Also, about 1/3 of US States have Duty to Retreat laws, which require people to avoid defending themselves and to flee whenever possible. 23 states currently have a SYG law.
SYG laws aren't so much there to protect a person during a home invasion....that's Castle Doctrine.... but while out and about in the general community. Where those laws are really clouded, as in the Trayvon Martin case, is that an unarmed individual was killed during an altercation and Zimmerman was armed. This contradicts Escalation of Force protocols, which call for a response of force equal to or slightly stronger than your attacker. Basically, it means that you don't respond to a fist with a gun.
Being afraid to defend yourself in your own home is disgusting. farg that. If someone enters my home with an intent to hurt me or my family or take my shtein, they're going out feet first. I'm not saying that to be a macho icehole either. I would never want that to happen, but if it does, I'm glad that I live in a place where a prosecutor isn't going to come after me for defending myself.
There's a lot of things wrong with this farged up state but SYG isn't one of them. At least the principle isn't. It could definitely use some tweaking, though.
Stand your ground is terrible policy. The idea that, on top of allowing just about anyone who isn't a felon to carry guns, we would permit their use if the shooter contends he was afraid of the scary person he shot in the parking lot, is madness. The result of the policy is more shooting, more killing, more division, more resentment, more fear, and more hatred. Without stand your ground, Zimmerman is in prison where he belongs. We don't need laws that co-sign macho-fearful bullshtein like Zimmerman, or the disaster fantasy circlejerk of what you'd do to someone who threatened you. With a policy like that, you've given people encouragement to engage in confrontations because they have a good chance of getting to off someone legally. It's deplorable.
^^^^
per usual on such matters dio is on point...and per usual he says it better than i ever could
Been awhile...can't wait to hear what president fargo has to say about this one
school shooting in San Bernardino
Being reported as two dead and four injured and an apparent murder-suicide.
At an elementary school.
Da fuq
My client's daughter would have gone there if she hadn't sold this past year.
farging people man.
You saved her life, herobionic!
This was barely even a blip in the news yesterday.
Ho-hum.
The American way!
Apparently another "multiple fatalities" shooting in Orlando. (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40162989?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook)
This week is the first anniversary of the shooting in the Pulse nightclub. Don't know that they're related, but can't help but think they might be.
Update: Being called a workplace shooting with no link to terrorism. Five dead, according to CNN. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/05/us/orlando-fatalities/index.html)
Not even a blip on the radar.
Maybe we can have that gun debate that The Fuhrer wants now?
You know...how another shooting happened in the USA? What if this shooter had a knife like in London? I guess companies should be handing out pistols with their new hire employee handbooks?
Maybe we need a "mass killing with cars and knives" thread.
Shooter identified by law enforcement officials as James T. Hodgkinson
The shooter at the GOP congressional baseball practice this morning is James T. Hodgkinson of Belleville, Ill., according to law enforcement officials. Hodgkinson, 66, owns a home inspection business. His home inspection license expired in November 2016 and was not renewed, state records show.
Hodgkinson was charged in April 2006 with battery and aiding damage to a motor vehicle, according to online records in St. Clair County, Illinois. The charges were dismissed, records show.
now at least 5 shot and 2 dead in san fran
(http://pocho.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/cucaisisthreats.jpg)
Ho hum
Just another day in the USA
Mass shooting at a Bronx hospital
17 people shot at a nightclub in Little Rock Arkansas
I know I've been out and about all day but first I heard of it
Ho hum another day in the good ol USA
How do you shoot 25 people and they all survive? This guy ought to be ashamed of himself.
Vegas.
Now thinking about it...is it normal for the bomb squad to be walking through the stadium hallways during a football game?
This Vegas shooting is the biggest in our history
50 dead and 200 injured.
64yr old dude sat in a room at Mandalay Bay and picked people off down below
Thoughts and prayers brigade will be out in force today. But no pols will address gun control
https://mobile.twitter.com/MikeLoftus_/status/914745121865793537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23914745121865793537
Oh my god
Total farging insanity.
Guns.
thoughts and prayers to everyone in las vegas
Don't forget some Facebook profile picture thing. Gotta remember the victims! For at least the next five minutes...
If only Nevada was an open carry state.
Oh wait...
I thought all the fans at country concerts were packing ?
Insightful article on gun violence in the US (http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-prevent-says-only-nation-where-regularly-ha-57086)
Quote from: Geowhizzer on October 02, 2017, 09:56:00 AM
Don't forget some Facebook profile picture thing. Gotta remember the victims! For at least the next five minutes...
And hash tags
Quote from: Rome on October 02, 2017, 10:12:37 AM
If only Nevada was an open carry state.
Oh wait...
Trips me out hearing the gun nuts talking about this. Oh ok they want the famous "good guy with a gun" firing blindly towards whoever they think shots are coming from
Hey guys everything will be ok. Thoughts and prayers are pouring in from GOP whores to the NRA and Trump/Pence had a moment of silence.
john thune's answer to gun control is basically do a better job of hiding from the bullets
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLOoktyXkAEYTSc.jpg)
Quote from: MDS on October 02, 2017, 09:14:25 AM
thoughts and prayers to everyone in las vegas
What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas
i had a nice twitter chat with a gun not republican last night. he was trolling someone about hillary i think but i engaged him civily and he responded civilly. basically his view about guns boiled down to this:
rights >>> lives
what the farg is the point of anything when that's going to be it
See? Now you're getting it.
Health care is a privilege but gunzzzzzzzz are a right dammit!
This Vegas story is farging heart breaking. And the people who dig their heels in on the guns sicken me. farg them.
damn
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/two-strangers-bond-over-country-music-and-beer-then-the-shots-started/2017/10/03/d5d4541a-a846-11e7-b3aa-c0e2e1d41e38_story.html?utm_term=.72e233fc7f2a
that will make you well up.
was just gonna post that
the kicker is...damn
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 03, 2017, 03:57:27 PM
damn
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/two-strangers-bond-over-country-music-and-beer-then-the-shots-started/2017/10/03/d5d4541a-a846-11e7-b3aa-c0e2e1d41e38_story.html?utm_term=.72e233fc7f2a
Jesus...that one hurt to read
Re-post it so I don't have to pay to read it. WaPo says democracy dies in darkness; I say it dies when you have to pay to see the light
Lol
That's a gem.
At his local Starbucks, Las Vegas shooter remembered for berating his girlfriend (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las-vegas-shooting-live-updates-at-his-local-starbucks-vegas-shooter-1507060195-htmlstory.html)
QuoteThe workers behind the counter at the Starbucks inside the Virgin River Casino in Mesquite, Nev., winced whenever Stephen Paddock and his girlfriend, Marilou Danley, lined up for their usual beverages.
That's because Paddock had a nasty habit of berating Danley in public. "It happened a lot," Esperanza Mendoza, supervisor of the Starbucks, said Tuesday.
QuoteThe abuse would come when she asked to use his casino card to make the purchase, Mendoza said. The card enables gamblers to use credits earned on electronic gambling machines to pay for souvenirs or food in the casino.
"He would glare down at her and say — with a mean attitude — 'You don't need my casino card for this. I'm paying for your drink, just like I'm paying for you.' Then she would softly say, 'OK' and step back behind him. He was so rude to her in front of us."
Quote from: Tomahawk on October 03, 2017, 08:16:12 PM
Re-post it so I don't have to pay to read it. WaPo says democracy dies in darkness; I say it dies when you have to pay to see the light
exactly
journalists should work for free to provide you with news but you should get paid to do whatever the farg it is you do
Quote from: MDS on October 04, 2017, 09:25:17 AM
Quote from: Tomahawk on October 03, 2017, 08:16:12 PM
Re-post it so I don't have to pay to read it. WaPo says democracy dies in darkness; I say it dies when you have to pay to see the light
journalists should work for free to provide you with news but you should get paid to do whatever the farg it is you do
That is quote worthy. Easily my most favorite MDS line ever.
It's not a good look to get so defensive for a profession you couldn't make it in.
http://www.altpress.com/contributors/entry/phil_labonte_of_all_that_remains_on_the_second_amendment_and_our_right_to_b
A dude with whom I used to work liked this on fb so I read it.
How can these people miss the point they're making about the 2nd Amendment?
QuoteThe framers of our Constitution did not believe in standing armies. They believed that a free people had the right and responsibility to secure their own safety, property and liberty
We now have a standing army, but I'm all for dismantling our military to the point where you owning am assault rifle is justified.
http://content.jwplatform.com/previews/DCADb31h-FAOf4K8g
I'm all for the 2nd amendment, having a fire arm to protect your household, and open carry as long as you have the appropriate license. There's no need to bare arms beyond that point. We're not getting invaded and the military isn't going to suddenly take over the country. Citizens don't need to be armed with assault rifles and now there's a push by the NRA to make silencers legal. Because that's what the founding fathers had in mind when they were loading their muskets. The whole thing is a farging joke. I'm sure you've all seen the Kimmel monologue about this not being about the 2nd amendment but about common sense.
The scarey part is the pro gun nuts realistically think the Government/Obama/Hilary were going to take their guns away. It would be impossible to confiscate every firearm in the country, there's more guns owned by citizens in this country than there are people. Unfortunately we have a weasel in the WH who will never support legislation.
These dimwits keep saying the same thing, Chicago has strict gun laws and look at their murder rate. Totally missing the point.
I still catch the DS every now and again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV5fXPVeZoQ
truth be told the nra doesn't even care about 2A...they are a money making organization not a defend the constitution one...their job is to scare as many people as possible into believing that something black is coming for them....either a helicopter or a young male
also the vast majority of gun owners want much tougher gun control laws but the cowards in congress are beholden to the nra's money
The gun nuts are out in force right now. I swear the gun lobby brainwashed iceholes like the guy in Vegas just to get them to do a massacre to increase business.
We are so farged right now.
something like 78% of the country doesnt even own a gun....3% of the country controls most of the guns. so this whole thing is about placating to a minuscule group of people who would rather hoard assault rifles than see people live.
farg this country.
Quote from: Rome on October 05, 2017, 09:19:10 AM
The gun nuts are out in force right now. I swear the gun lobby brainwashed iceholes like the guy in Vegas just to get them to do a massacre to increase business.
We are so farged right now.
Some of my favorites:
Knives kill more people per year than guns, why aren't we banning knives
If someone wants to kill someone they can do it by other means like a bomb, just look at Timothy McVeigh!
Guns don't kill other people, humans do
The areas with the strictest gun control laws also have the highest crime rates
We banned drugs but they're still on the street. Look how that idea turned out.
The dumbfarg author of the stupid article I posted a link to pointed out the tragedies in Norway (all those kids) and a couple other EU countries, saying how they have strict gun control laws. He fails to mention the occurences are much more frequent in the US.
Acquiescing to his point, yes, it is going to happen no matter what. That doesn't mean we should make it easy to get the guns. Or sell them to mentally ill people
i mean if to become a law the law has to 100% stop wrong doing then just dont have laws
theres a law against rape but last night there were plenty of rapes
whats the point it doesnt work
rape legal
More Americans have died in gun-related incidents since 1968 than all the people who died in wars since 1776.
I read that yesterday and couldn't believe it, but it's true.
We. Are. farged.
Some dipshtein on Facebook just tried the drugs false equivalency on me. It didn't end well for him.
did you verbally annihilate him ?
I pointed out his argument was filled with blanks then I shot it full of holes.
hopefully you weren't trigger happy.
Quote from: SD on October 05, 2017, 09:28:02 AM
Quote from: Rome on October 05, 2017, 09:19:10 AM
The gun nuts are out in force right now. I swear the gun lobby brainwashed iceholes like the guy in Vegas just to get them to do a massacre to increase business.
We are so farged right now.
Some of my favorites:
Knives kill more people per year than guns, why aren't we banning knives
If someone wants to kill someone they can do it by other means like a bomb, just look at Timothy McVeigh!
Guns don't kill other people, humans do
The areas with the strictest gun control laws also have the highest crime rates
We banned drugs but they're still on the street. Look how that idea turned out.
The knives one is always maddening
As is the "ban cars!" shtein. When I hear that one I would like to kick their ass
Bonus is the "look at Chicago" or "what about in Europe with acid and trucks? Criminals will find a way!"
bad people will find a way....this is true.....in the meantime lets make it as easy as possible for them
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/05/politics/kellyanne-conway-white-house-las-vegas/index.html
Dumb bitch
obama was supposed to be coming after everyones guns and he didnt even get their bump stocks
I'd love to see a full repeal of the second amendment just to watch the histrionics from the righties
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 05, 2017, 10:10:31 PM
I'd love to see a full repeal of the second amendment just to watch a second civil war
Hey at least they'd have use for their confederate flags
Can I stay in your basement after I have to leave here?
if the lines are drawn the same you might wanna go a little further north
True
We will all be in Philly
We can stay with lil guy
One of the things that drives me nuts about gun lovers is that they actually agree with gun control people, they just don't know it. They talk like any limit on the right to bear arms would bode the onset of tyranny, but the fact is that we all think access to weapons should be controlled, we just have vastly different opinions on where the control should begin.
Gun freaks and I are in perfect agreement, for example, that shoulder fired rocket launchers should not be available to the public. I've never heard of a 2A activiist aguing that we should be able to buy grenades at Wal Mart. Never even heard of them arguing for fulll auto weapons to be made legal.
So what we've got here is a bunch of people who support gun control, we just have to get them to move the line to include all of these insanely deadly modern weapons. The Framers would never have supported the idea that anyone can carry in his pocket a pistol that fires 13 rounds as quickly as you can pull the trigger. The mayhem that would ensue if human beings had easy access to that would have been obvious to them. They confiscated weapons in cowboy towns afterall, because it just doesn't work when everyone can easily kill on an impulse.
The NRA allowing bump stock ban to be put forward is a massive defeat for them, insofar as they are forced to reveal that they too support gun control, but by ceding it, they fend off a more meaningful advance in gun control laws. We should push for more than just bump stocks.
the fact that a huge win is banning a piece of metal that modifies a gun that itself shouldnt be legal is so ridiculous to me
wayne lapierre also said he is not for banning bump stocks...hes for "regulating" them...how the farg do you regulate an accessory to a gun...you either ban them or you dont
this whole thing is a friggin joke
Quote from: Diomedes on October 06, 2017, 06:08:22 AM
One of the things that drives me nuts about gun lovers is that they actually agree with gun control people, they just don't know it. They talk like any limit on the right to bear arms would bode the onset of tyranny, but the fact is that we all think access to weapons should be controlled, we just have vastly different opinions on where the control should begin.
Gun freaks and I are in perfect agreement, for example, that shoulder fired rocket launchers should not be available to the public. I've never heard of a 2A activiist aguing that we should be able to buy grenades at Wal Mart. Never even heard of them arguing for fulll auto weapons to be made legal.
So what we've got here is a bunch of people who support gun control, we just have to get them to move the line to include all of these insanely deadly modern weapons. The Framers would never have supported the idea that anyone can carry in his pocket a pistol that fires 13 rounds as quickly as you can pull the trigger. The mayhem that would ensue if human beings had easy access to that would have been obvious to them. They confiscated weapons in cowboy towns afterall, because it just doesn't work when everyone can easily kill on an impulse.
The NRA allowing bump stock ban to be put forward is a massive defeat for them, insofar as they are forced to reveal that they too support gun control, but by ceding it, they fend off a more meaningful advance in gun control laws. We should push for more than just bump stocks.
Even though the left hated him, that was pretty much Scalia's argument with 2A as well. He interpreted it to include weapons that were "in common use at the time".
https://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/11/justice-scalias-gun-control-argument/
Scalise just got shot to pieces yet he's one of the most strident gun nuts in Washington.
You just can't reason with motherfargers like that. So... you don't. You get out the vote and send them slithering back to the holes from whence they came.
Lololololol @ voting for change. Even politicians new to Washington are quickly beholden to the money and lobbies, case in point: Obama
oh, that will go over well here. :paranoid :-D
People here are objective and intelligent enough to understand even though Obama was the best President in recent history, certainly since I became eligible to vote in 1992, he still succumbed to the machine
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html
This new timeline changes things
The guard was shot before he started firing on the crowd. Previously they said he stopped the crowd shots to turn on the guard.
All eyes on the Mandalay security Noe as to why it was not reported the guard was shot earlier.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/us/adam-lanza-sandy-hook.html
Moving this over here
27 dead and 24 injured based on early reports
The thoughts and prayers bridgade is out in full force.
Guys listen...now isn't the time to talk about gun control.
Bout about those terrorists and trucks and kneeling players...
Devin Kelly 26 is the shooter
Apparently a white dude and there are reports that his social media accounts are being taken down bc he was on there showing off guns
https://heavy.com/news/2017/11/devin-kelley-p-sutherland-springs-church-shooter-patrick-kelly/
Radical Islamic Terrorist
Motherucking thoughts and prayers, though. all that counts!
i was legit screaming at my pops walking up 10th st about this...he was all about not taking away rights.
farg america
We need more stringent and strict vetting is what we need right?!
Thoughts and prayers.
guess what? he was a domestic abuser
shocker
http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-pol-essential-washington-updates-alleged-texas-shooter-was-court-1509937194-htmlstory.html
Perfectly ok with him being armed
Governor Hot Wheels Greg Abbott is at a vigil right now so it'll be just fine
he wasnt legally allowed to possess the weapons because of his discharge, so the narrative is already out there that you cant stop these people bla bla bla who cares
we have 2 options
1. stop making these weapons. stop manufacturing them.
2. monthly mass shootings
Let's not forget about the WalMart shooting in Colorado this week too
Something ain't quite right with that article.
QuoteThe man authorities have identified as the shooter in the massacre at a Texas church was give a bad conduct discharge from the Air Force three years ago after being court-martialed for assault, a military spokesperson confirmed Sunday.
Federal law prohibits a person who has been dishonorably discharged from buying a firearm. Whether Kelley's discharge would trigger the law was not immediately clear.
There are several characters of discharge:
Honorable
General
General Other Than Honorable
Bad Conduct
Dishonorable
To my knowledge, only a Dishonorable Discharge comes with a loss of gun rights. In most states it is considered equal to a felony conviction.
A BCD, as best I know, isn't on par with that and there's no loss of gun rights associated with that character of discharge. That said, his court martial conviction for assault very well could be considered equal to a felony conviction which would have put him on the ban list.
People who don't know much about the military think any discharge that isn't honorable is identified as a 'dishonorable discharge'. Been at the VA for going on 7 years, I've maybe seen 5 DD. Usually it's for stuff like child molestation, murder, ripping off the Gov't for a lot of money. Bad conduct discharges are usually for service members who have a pattern of misconduct. It's actually better to mess up once and get the boot then it is to have a pattern.
There was a guy who was convicted of selling heroin on his ship in the 70's who received an under honorable conditions which is essentially the same as honorable. Nowadays that would get brig time and probably a DD. Seen bad cases of domestic violence, assault to other service members, ripping the Gov't off, AWOL, drug abuse etc., all were given other than honorable. That's not even an automatic bar to benefits, they can request a trial (I've done about a dozen) and plea their case. Most Vets that come in with a hard luck story we write them in for benefits. Whatever, Vet messed up once but served honorably for 4 years he shouldn't lose out.
Anyway. Yeah they need gun control. Bad. I only own a gun for home defense. I have an open carry license but unless I'm going to the range it doesn't leave my house.
I'd expect an individual, like lil guy for example, to not know the difference between a BCD and DD. I do think that a paper as big as the LA Times should be able to make the distinction though.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/us/devin-patrick-kelley-texas.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&referer=http://www.sportsjournalists.com/forum/threads/shooting-at-texas-church.127544/page-17
So the Air Force failed to enter him in a database that would've prevented him from buying guns
That is not a good look for the AF. Heads are gonna roll for that one.
I can't believe Obummer destroyed morale so bad that they couldn't do paperwork properly.
Once again proving he was one big ass mistake, America
If his last name was Mohammed I guarantee you he's in the database
Well, yeah. But to be fair, everyone named Mohammed is probably already in that database.
Hilary's fault.
She greased up the internet with butter emails.
another one. you know the drill.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-norcal-elementary-school-shooting-20171114-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-norcal-elementary-school-shooting-20171114-story.html)
T&P!
Thoughts and prayers for sure.
Time to give the kids guns.
this shtein is not even registering
Nope.
Coworker streams CNN and for a couple hours I didn't hear one mention of it
white privilege
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/calif-shooter-previously-wanted-assaulting-neighbors-article-1.3633412
black privilege
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/11/07/colorado-springs-woman-jailed-pretrial-fee/
No one cares at this point. Dead people are just the cost of doing business.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 15, 2017, 06:50:35 AM
black privilege
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/11/07/colorado-springs-woman-jailed-pretrial-fee/
27 days of lodging, meals, medical care, clothing, & utilities for $55? I never knew they had it so good. White people can't catch a break.
16 year old Long Branch, New Jersey kid rings in the new year by shooting parents, sister, and family friend. (http://abcnews.go.com/US/16-year-allegedly-killed-parents-sister-family-friend/story?id=52081845)
I follow the news pretty close - granted this past week I'm Eagles 24/7 - but it's sad this is the first I heard about this shooting. I just saw on the local news there was a school shooting today. Went on google and this story popped up from a week ago.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/23/us/kentucky-high-school-shooting/index.html
Reporter covering shooting finds out the shooter is her son
https://nypost.com/2018/01/27/reporter-covering-school-shooting-learns-suspect-is-her-son/
Sad farging world we live in when this shtein is barely a blip on the radar.
School shooting today was at Lincoln high in Mayfair. Early word is it was two parents arguing outside the school which lead to the shooting.
Active shooter reported at YouTube's headquarters in California (https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/qvx3wp/active-shooter-reported-at-youtubes-headquarters-in-california?utm_source=vicenewstwitter)
QuoteA spokesperson for Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital told NBC that the hospital has received patients from the incident. According to the San Bruno police department's scanner, 37 people need "triaging."
Ugh.
Here's a twist, the shooter was a woman. And also shot herself, but that's not a twist.
Women don't typically use guns for suicide.
Then again, women don't typically shoot the place up, either.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 03, 2018, 07:23:03 PM
Women don't typically use guns for suicide.
Then again, women don't typically shoot the place up, either.
Didn't "going postal" become a phrase because of womyn shooters?
Not from what I recall, no. It was white dudes.
Men account for 78% of all suicides. Majority are white men. Half of those suicides are by firearm. Women are more likely (2 to 1) to attempt suicide but only account for 22% of actual suicides. If anyone cares.
in other words women need to work on their technique.
More likely they're drama queens looking for attention...cry for help...daddy issues. Chose one.
whats mens excuses for od'ing on opiods on the regular....farging little bitches life is too tough...screaming daddy didnt buy me a pony
Possibly...or maybe they just like to get high and don't know their limits. Maybe they got a bad batch (currently happening all over the place with fentanyl).
maybe they are weaker than seven days
https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/988032934337744896
That dude grew up around Peoria, ILL. Sometimes I wish we had a Waffle House; not so much for the opportunity to get shot at, but more for the zesty food.
http://www.pjstar.com/news/20180423/tazewell-county-sheriffs-office-says-it-never-had-custody-of-travis-reinkings-weapons
Another school shooting in Texas, multiple fatalities. Bring on the gun nuts.
must have been ms-13 or something
O/U on thoughts & prayers posts per hour on FB ?
If only everyone was armed. Never would have happened.
Quote from: Rome on May 18, 2018, 12:16:30 PM
If only everyone was armed. Never would have happened.
It's Texas, everyone is armed.
yawn
less than a month ago
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdffYUIUQAAS1BT.jpg:large)
they need prayer now. im a second amendment guy.
Kid used his father's guns.
Put Dad in prison, please.
hmmmmm
QuoteDimitrios Pagourtzis, the suspected gunman who opened fire at a Texas high school on Friday morning, apparently posted photos of neo-Nazi iconography online, according to social media accounts flagged by classmates and reviewed by The Daily Beast.
Pagourtzis posted multiple pictures of a duster jacket emblazoned with a variety of symbols including the Iron Cross, a German military award last given by the Nazis, and a hammer and sickle. He said he equated the Iron Cross with "bravery," and the hammer and sickle with "rebellion."
(https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/d_placeholder_euli9k/dpr_2.0/c_limit,w_585/fl_lossy,q_auto/180518-weill-shooter-embed2_apof3w)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdhLR_DU0AAtO_i.jpg)
When was the last time one of these guys was a liberal fanatic?
Honest question. It happens.
the guy who shot up the republican softball game was a liberal
think he was more of a bernie bro which is its own subset but yea sure he was that side
that's right...more recent than I thought
in no way am i defending what he did....shooting people is bad....even donald trump
but there is a huge difference btwn progressive hate and right wing hate...progressives hate other peoples hate...on the right almost everything they do from the extreme of a white supremacist who drives his car into a bunch of liberals cause he hates jews and blacks to the passing of laws that purposely hurt women minorities and the disenfranchised...
the foundation of everything on the right these days is solely based in hatred and fear
also lets be real a liberal mass shooter is the rare exception
More kids have died from school shootings this year than people in the military. That number doesn't even include teachers etc. who were killed and the military deaths are overall not just from combat.
Well, I for one would cheer. But the problem is, we shouldn't kill anyone. It hurts us for longer than it hurts them.
heres a new one...grocery store porn causes school shootings
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/diane-black-porn-school-gun-violence_us_5b0d6634e4b0568a880ede65?19
Everyone knows it's gluten that causes mass shooting. That and measles vaccinations.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-news-trenton-art-shooting-061718-story.html
what the farg is a 13 year old doing at a music festival at 2:45 a.m.
Slinging dope?
My second hometown, Annapolis makes this thread for the first time. Poor bastiches.
too early to see any motives mentioned, but what if this is it ? (GF's post from the politics thread)
https://twitter.com/NoahCRothman/status/1011686656439738370
the guy might not even know who milo is...but theres this other more well known guy who has been relentlessly attacking the press as the enemy of the people for a few years now
From what I understand the guy filed a defamation suit against the paper which was dismissed...then dismissed again after he appealed
In Bucks County, 30 year old charged with possessing a weapon of mass destruction. There've been a string of huge explosions in the middle of the night for the last few months. This guy owned a chemical factory. They also found meth.
https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/06/28/sources-authorities-investigating-multiple-locations-in-bucks-county-in-connection-to-mysterious-explosions/
Check out some of his artwork. I'm sure there's a MAGA hat laying somewhere around his house
http://6abc.com/suspect-arrested-in-bucks-co-explosions-investigation-identified/3668551/
Meth America Great Again?
Mandalay Bay owners sue victims of Las Vegas mass shooting (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/17/mandalay-bay-owners-sue-victims-las-vegas-mass-shooting.html)
I pray you're OK, Rome and GF:
Jacksonville Landing - during a video game tournament. (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/26/us/jacksonville-madden-shooting/index.html)
Any shooting at a video game event is a mass shooting, amirite?
https://twitter.com/Anakron199X/status/1033777890318594048
My daughter goes to UNF in Jacksonville. We had a few minutes there where she wasn't answering her phone. She was safe on campus thankfully.
7 dead, active shooter, synagogue...Thoughts and prayers
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2018/10/27/heavy-police-presence-near-synagogue-in-squirrel-hill/
How dare you use this event to disparage those who want to send out thoughts and prayers to the victims!
I can't believe anyone would use this tragedy to further their political agenda. Now is not the time to discuss domestic terrorism.
so this guy was a big gab user. everyone know what gab is? no? ok.
https://twitter.com/MichaelEHayden/status/1056218257290604550
https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/1058843234892312576
No SD joke? You guys are slippin
https://6abc.com/authorities-12-killed-in-calif-bar-shooting-suspect-dead/4644740/
Gunman opened fire at a bar in So Cal. 12 dead including s Sherrif's deputy
https://twitter.com/CBSThisMorning/status/1060531158465892352
How did he end up at both scenes? Crisis actor!
One of the shot and killed apparently was at the Vegas shooting too
The killer was a vet with mental health issues
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1088193285624082434
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1096523549177720839
Industrial workers should be carrying sidearms, obviously. This would have been over right quick.
Also, everyone. Guns for everyone.
https://twitter.com/LanayaLewis/status/1096960955035066369
Not in the US, but a nazi in New Zealand with the 14 words on his gun posted a manifesto on 8chan (apparently) and then live streamed himself on facebook or some other place shooting up a Mosque. Apparently shots were fired at another Mosque in the same town about 20-30 minutes later.
I farging accidentally auto-played some of the footage on twitter while looking for news...stay the farg away from it. It's horrifying. and I only saw about 2-4 seconds of it.
JFC that's awful
Wonder if Cheeto Dick condemns white supremacy this time?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 14, 2019, 11:25:04 PM
JFC that's awful
Wonder if Cheeto Dick condemns white supremacy this time?
Nope...in the middle of the news breaking, he tweeted out a link to breitbart.com's homepage.
https://twitter.com/cd_hooks/status/1106450885666844672
Yyyyep. The Nazis need a fist to the face, not polite dialogue.
https://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1106415640527679488
Keep this in mind as the manifesto spreads. A lot of it screams as 4chan "4 the lulz" stuff
Hey - can't wait until someone farging smokes a couple hundred of those Nazi shteinbags. They've declared war. Time for people of good character to respond in kind.
Weren't they all just in your neck of the woods for Bike Week?
They're still here. They mingle with the Bikers For Christ crown. Nuke em all, I say.
they are covering all the places of worship lately...
dylan roof got the black church in charleston
bowers rolled tree of life
now this dood merked two mosques
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1122231915753496576
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1123361806536171520
a teenager died today in denver...many others shot
anyone notice? anyone care?
Quote from: MDS on May 07, 2019, 10:11:54 PM
a teenager died today in denver...many others shot
anyone notice? anyone care?
Thoughts and prayers were sent. Sad emojis clicked. What else needs to be done?
https://twitter.com/indystar/status/1129796632764137472
Ho hum another one
Virginia Beach. 11 people dead plus the shooter.
Thoughts and prayers
dont care
yeah yawn
at this point I just try not to be in one and I'm good
you'd think by this point someone would have blown up the NRA headquarters, or at least shot a bunch of NRA lobbyists in their cars
how many bereaved family you gotta have before one of them decides to take it to the source?
T&P
(https://i.imgur.com/gRssjsv.jpg)
Quote from: Diomedes on June 01, 2019, 11:33:25 AM
you'd think by this point someone would have blown up the NRA headquarters, or at least shot a bunch of NRA lobbyists in their cars
how many bereaved family you gotta have before one of them decides to take it to the source?
we snowflakes don't do this but maybe we should
4 Dead, Including Suspect, 12 Hurt in Gilroy Garlic Festival Shooting (https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Police-Respond-to-Reports-of-Shooting-at-Gilroy-Garlic-Festival-513320251.html)
Wonder if the GOP "thoughts and prayers" brigade can even muster them up since it happened to libtards in Commiefornia!
Maybe if they spent more time praying and less time using garlic like anal beads God wouldn't have let this happen.
https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1157732159794405380?
Can't wait for the thoughts and prayers brigade. Jfc.
But Texas as such lax gun laws how could that be?
Too bad there wasn't a good guy with a gun to stop it. Stupid libruls!
Yeah I've been told for a few years now "why don't you ever see a mass shooting in Texas?!"....welp..
"Too bad!"
Quote from: Munson on August 03, 2019, 03:36:53 PM
Yeah I've been told for a few years now "why don't you ever see a mass shooting in Texas?!"....welp..
1966 - University of Texas (aka "Tower Shooting") - 18 killed by a sniper.
1991 - Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen - 23 killed
1999 - Wedgwood Baptist Church in Fort Worth - 8 killed
2009 - Fort Hood - 14 killed
2017 - Sutherland Springs church shooting - 26 killed
2018 - Santa Fe High School (Texas, not New Mexico) - 10 Killed
It's not exactly rare. This was just a quick search.
He posted a manifesto. He's an anti-immigration Trump lover
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 03, 2019, 05:25:33 PM
Quote from: Munson on August 03, 2019, 03:36:53 PM
Yeah I've been told for a few years now "why don't you ever see a mass shooting in Texas?!"....welp..
1966 - University of Texas (aka "Tower Shooting") - 18 killed by a sniper.
1991 - Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen - 23 killed
1999 - Wedgwood Baptist Church in Fort Worth - 8 killed
2009 - Fort Hood - 14 killed
2017 - Sutherland Springs church shooting - 26 killed
2018 - Santa Fe High School (Texas, not New Mexico) - 10 Killed
It's not exactly rare. This was just a quick search.
There's probably one other big shooting if you go back. And to the left.
Well, there's always David Koresh.
Another one. Dayton OH. Double digits injured, no official word on deaths yet.
(https://i.giphy.com/media/2g9XfJzqTQpZ6/source.gif)
This has to stop. Now.
No more. Full goddamn stop.
Lol the President is literally telling people to do it. So good luck with that.
I'm sure the thoughts and prayers corksuckers will be out in full force today.
Two in one day? Targeting brown people in El Paso because Cheeto dick encourages it. Wonder what the shteinbag in Ohio reason was.
Sickening.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 04, 2019, 11:53:19 AM
Lol the President is literally telling people to do it. So good luck with that.
Yup
QuoteTrump asks Florida rally crowd: "How do you stop these people" from crossing the border?
"Shoot them!" a rally attendee shouts out.
Trump laughs
Crowd laughs
Trump: "That's only in the panhandle you can get away with that stuff. Only in the panhandle."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/05/09/shoot-them-trump-laughs-off-supporters-demand-violence-against-migrants/
Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick speaks on "Fair and Balanced" Fox about prayers for El Paso and the dangers of... video games?
https://twitter.com/aidnmclaughlin/status/1158021912532017152
pretty sure a video game or mental illness didn't cause this dood to drive 600 miles to a pre determined target on the border with brown people and write a hate filled 3000 word white supremacy manifesto
Of course it didn't
But this is the repub talking point on these shootings. Dan Patrick is a loathsome piece of shtein. He had some awful comments after the Pulse shootings too.
His boss, Greg Abbott, said it was video games and the lack of prayer were the reasons.
Video games and prayer. That's what's being peddled as the cause and of course the GOP and their voters are gobbling it up. farg them.
On a side note the little cowardly shtein from Ohio shot and killed his sister in his rampage.
The most popular video game in the world right now has you dress up like a banana and dab. I can see why people would be upset.
Alejandro Bedoya of the Union grabbed an on-field mike and demanded Congress do something about this insanity.
Holy shtein. ✊🏻
Good guys with guns aren't getting it done.
Clearly the good guys need more guns. And more Scheming Jew or Monkey Michelle Obama targets to practice with.
https://twitter.com/donmoyn/status/1157861679813877766?
Outside the headline, I have no idea what tucker said, but if an immigrant chooses to become a naturalized citizen, then he is yet another American, without replacing a person with that preexisting condition
https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/1158460281888169985 20
They're all vile and disgusting pigs on that network. Every last one of them.
Chris Hayes is going full on right now. Wow.
https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/crime_police/article_cae700c4-b86c-11e9-9f27-dff771536d92.html
Two shteinheads get into an argument and draw their guns
Bystander is shot
But please tell me moaaaar about how "good guys with guns" should be shooting in public
https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1158453079035002881
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 06, 2019, 04:12:24 PM
https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/crime_police/article_cae700c4-b86c-11e9-9f27-dff771536d92.html
Two shteinheads get into an argument and draw their guns
Bystander is shot
But please tell me moaaaar about how "good guys with guns" should be shooting in public
when the pistol blows a shot thats when a murdered be the tough luck...families farged up...could have got your man but didnt look when you bucked up
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/06/us/feral-pigs-twitter-trnd/index.html
I neither hunt nor know much about animal behavior, but I bet if you shoot into a pack of 30-50 feral hogs, you might kill one but the sound of the gunshot will scare the other 29-49 away. I guess that means we need silencers for assault weapons
If you shoot into a pack of feral hogs, you're more likely to just make them all angry and not kill one.
Feral pigs are a holocaust to a farmer. Kill 'em all. Humans made the problem, it's our job to control it. Silencers probably make sense for culling them. If you have proper license, background check, store weapons safely, don't use them to shoot brown people....I'm good with it.
Bacon.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 08, 2019, 09:45:54 AM
If you have proper license, background check, store weapons safely, don't use them to shoot brown people
I can't help but think there's a fatal flaw in this idea.
Yeah, the number of people who manage to do all four of those is vanishingly small.
Down in south Texas they hunt them from helicopters.
Reminiscing like it's Viet farging Nam
They're an invasive species with no predators, hunt them with ACME anvils for all I care.
http://montgomerycountypolicereporter.com/active-shooter-reported-2-dead-after-gunman-opens-fire-on-i-10-at-federal/
Nbd just another one
This is on the east side of the city.
Former firefighter stops man armed with 100 rounds of ammunition at south Springfield Walmart (https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Heavy-police-presence-at-Walmart-Neighborhood-Market-in-south-Springfield-528602951.html)
QuoteThe Springfield Police Department arrived on scene within three minutes of the call. Police stated that a young white male, appearing to be in his twenties, pulled up to the Walmart, where he donned body armor and military fatigues. Police say the man had tactical weapons.
Police then say the man walked into the Walmart: Neighborhood Market where he grabbed a cart and began pushing it around the store. Police say the man was recording himself walking through the store via a cell phone.
The store manager at the Neighborhood Market pulled a fire alarm, urging people to escape the store.
Police say the man then made his way out an emergency exit where a former firefighter held the man at gunpoint. At that moment Springfield Police arrived on scene and detained the man.
The fabled Good Guy with a Gun. Checkmate, liberals.
Store manager deserves a bonus for his decision making.
He'll probably get fired for loss of sales.
At the very least dook was going to need a bunch of more bullets.
great news, guys. walmart has sent out a memo instructing their stores to take down displays & images of violent video games. sure, they're still going to sell guns. but those video games... :poison
Imagine buying physical copies of video games from a brick and mortar store in the year 2019.
Quote from: hunt on August 09, 2019, 11:01:36 AM
great news, guys. walmart has sent out a memo instructing their stores to take down displays & images of violent video games. sure, they're still going to sell guns. but those video games... :poison
I feel safer.
My son's grades and social life may be safer...
i miss any more mass shootings or just the 2
It's been ? days since the last national tragedy.
North Philly getting in on the action today I see
dude has been in a shoot out with cops for several hours and apparently was or maybe still is live streaming much of it.
looks like 100 cops or so there, crazy shtein.
I've been looking for the stream but couldn't find it
Amazing no one has been killed
whole country seeing what north philly do
black twitter named him jawn wick
philly > everywhere else
Saw a vid clip of residents pelting the cops with stuff...bad look on that one
farg the police > everything else
Did we cover this one yet? I've lost track. https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1161785833806057473
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 14, 2019, 09:18:38 PM
Saw a vid clip of residents pelting the cops with stuff...bad look on that one
Yes, optics are the problem, not systemic police corruption and abuse of those they've sworn to protect and serve.
Quote from: Rome on August 15, 2019, 07:28:26 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 14, 2019, 09:18:38 PM
Saw a vid clip of residents pelting the cops with stuff...bad look on that one
Yes, optics are the problem, not systemic police corruption and abuse of those they've sworn to protect and serve.
Well that's a concern too of course.
I just didn't think throwing garbage or food or whatever at cops while they're in a gunfight with some dude was the best idea
It's not. But murdering unarmed and innocent civilians isn't either.
Until they reign themselves in expect to see more of this, which, of course, will cause them to be even more trigger-happy.
But more guns, though...
more community policing....less guns and military style occupation
i was following along on some live Reddit thread yesterday and someone asked who the shooter was and the next guy said not ben simmons.
Holy shtein that's funny. Wrong. But funny.
Been awhile, America!
TEXAS MASS SHOOTINGS:
- Various locations across Midland and Odessa
- ONE suspect, NOT two
- Suspect killed by police
- Up to 30 people shot
- At least 2 dead
- Multiple police officers shot
- Motive unknown
https://twitter.com/pzf/status/1195012683986325504
Ho bum nbd Merica
Shooting at a NJ HS football game in Pleasantville
Nothing more American than shooting people under the Friday night lights
Gotta show them kids that this is what happens when the NFL welcomes back that traitor Kaepernick with open arms.
Sandy Hook was seven years ago today.
https://twitter.com/WillieGeist/status/1205870180456443904
It's been a quiet year with all the quarantine stuff, but America's back, baby! https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1279173743777058821
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021/1/10/22223590/videos-shooting-spree-gunman-jason-nightengale-chicago-evanston
Killed 3...put a bunch of others in critical condition. Died in a shootout with police
"had some problems"
https://twitter.com/NYTNational/status/1363417939983159297
A lot of people shot in that story, not clear who shot whom. Gonna be a mess to tease that one apart.
Time to dust off the thoughts and prayers from GOPers who voted against the expanded background checks.
https://twitter.com/jennifer__brett/status/1372012991546294272 21
dudes looks 100% like I would have guessed.
he bought his guns hours before targeting asians and murdering them
america !!
I think we have an incel here, not a racist. He killed two white people also. Probably named Chrystal and Brandi.
Witnesses said he said he was going to kill every Asian in there. I mean, he could be both, but he definitely did a racism.
Oh?
I haven't read that.
I'll pipe down until I know more. I thought he e was probably a woman hater who decided to kill (what he thinks are) sex workers at massage parlors, most of whom happen to be Asian.
also the cop who was giving the presser who said that it wasnt a hate crime and is leading the investigation previously posted some racist china flu shtein on social media
I saw that. So inside the cruiser, he turns his camera off and says to the guy
Good work, son. Send the vermin back to hell.
Thanks brah.
Look, the politically correct are gonna scream hate crime. Tell 'em you're a sex addict.
Yeah, that's smart.
and the cop also said the killer "had a bad day"
Just like when the SC cops took Dylan Roof to get fast food...the soft handling of the killers is sickening.
Another shooter in Colorado.
https://twitter.com/TakLandrock/status/1374110376195813376
Thoughts and prayers.
- GOP
Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa
21yrs old
That's the shooter. FOX who did not cover the story much yesterday is now suddenly interested. I wonder why?
BTW - I watched the video and that dude looks like hes 51 not 21.
Had one today at one of my customers.
Kent Moore Cabinets in Bryan/College Station.
Apparently eight people shot including a state trooper. Our contact there (purchasing agent) said someone at their assembly plant finished his shift and walked to his backpack and got his gun out and started mowing people down.
fargin crazy.
https://twitter.com/abc/status/1382961444019314689 21
And not one GOP politician, "muh gunz" or "good guy with a gun" person will give a shtein.
This is a huge problem.
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1383619491788066820 21
https://twitter.com/Fox35Amy/status/1398982107502948362
The Cheeto Dick loving MAGAt scumbag parents of the most recent school shooter in Michigan have been charged and failed to turn themselves in.
https://twitter.com/usmarshalshq/status/1466895351139479564 21
https://twitter.com/cosantifascists/status/1475992196847390725 21
Not shocking.
The nyc subway shooter rented the uhaul in Philly and has an address in Philly too
One of those whack jobs who posts demented shtein online
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/04/12/nyregion/brooklyn-subway-shooting
is this is the first nutjob mass shooter that wasnt white
No but there ain't many poc mass shooters who ain't gunning down they own people over a street beef
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSvxhUOXoAIc0Vd?format=jpg&name=large)
This is the guy who slaughtered 10 black people and live streamed it on Twitch.
Note how the skinhead pig is gently loading him into the cruiser.
Obviously Antifa Soros paid
Wait
When did this happen
A few hours ago
the fact that the media went out of their way all week to cover peaceful protests in front of scotus judges houses like it was World War III and this is what closes the week is sickening beyond belief
turn women into baby factories so men can be free to go on murder sprees
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FS0Cmt7WQAEMBqc?format=jpg&name=large)
Two more today;
One at a church in Orange County CA
One at a flea market here in Houston
damn so apparently one of the cashiers in buffalo called 911 and the operator got an attitude and said why are you whispering and then hung up on her. just a matter of time before the recording is released. seems like this shtein is happening a lot - gotta either pay these MFers more money or get better people in these call centers.
Oh shtein really?
That's disgusting.
Are millennials ruining the emergency operator business?
another one at an elementary school...could be as bad as sandy hook
who cares tho
Jesus farging Christ this country...
https://twitter.com/ap/status/1529207588948172803 21&t=--aHIzIG1o9taFKgbjh0nw
This countries a farging disgrace.
Thoughts and prayers forthcoming.
What a farging horribly depressing country to live in
Scumbag
https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1529190433091461123 21&t=--aHIzIG1o9taFKgbjh0nw
ted cruz would trade his daughters lives if it meant he could get re elected
these politicians are soulless ghouls devoid of empathy and the people in this country are beyond ignorant and stupid. why the farg are people mad or shocked. this is america....its like being apoplectic about the phillies blowing a 2 run lead in the 9th. oh no the thing that always happened happened again.
There are two ways this insanity stops:
1. We elect Democrats to enact common sense Gun legislation.
2. Wait until shtein gets real and people start killing politicians and their families.
I hope it doesn't come to #2, but I was trying to imagine what my reaction would be if someone killed my baby girl in the schools she's preparing to teach at. I really can't imagine it, actually. It's beyond comprehension. That's what those poor parents are going through right now.
Imagine the rage. The hopelessness. The life draining from you as you contemplate trying to go on somehow.
Maybe the GOP monsters who continue on with business as usual need to experience that grief firsthand? Although honestly, I doubt they'd change one damn bit.
most politicians wouldnt care if their families were killed
joe manchin cares more about the fillibuster than your life
hope. less.
Steve Kerr is always vocal. Love this
https://twitter.com/mikecwright/status/1529244446730113024 21&t=--aHIzIG1o9taFKgbjh0nw
We are up to 18 dead kids and 3 dead adults with 3 more people in critical condition
The Tees & Pees brigade is in full effect. Especially the scumbag gun farger politicians here
its a shame the people who want to commit mass violence do it at a supermarket or school and not a cruz family bbq
I can't believe antifa did a false flag massacre and planted years of false data about this fake shooter, including mental illness and online tirades.
Those things haven't actually come out yet, but they will.
Why do we need body armor available to the public?
https://twitter.com/natashabertrand/status/1529255082914725888 21&t=CD9kO40V0fOAgraGT34MHA
So the cops "engaged" him yet he still managed to get into the school and slaughter 20 people?
Ummm... wtf?
Uvalde isn't a very big city so I'm guessing they don't have a lot of training like the bigger cities do.
I'm just assuming the officer was out of breath from getting out of the car and fumbling with his holster.
There's a self fulfilling cycle for people who want to destroy because we're already fighting natural entropy, so if you just want to get yours and farg everyone else, the odds are in your favor.
Vile disgusting pigs
https://twitter.com/jonathanweisman/status/1529262453137227779 21&t=MjXx2pzMBS4KVpL7Fgibqg
https://twitter.com/nikigriswold/status/1529291389711818753 21&t=AkfpCATbnEJ-a2ULBe68Lg
https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1529257356135215105
All in the name of these cosplay MAGA motherfargers who want an armory of killing machines. And the blood continues to be on the hands of the gutless politicians who refuse to enact ANY sort of reform.
This weekend there's an NRA circle jerk here. Cheeto Dick, Cancun Ted and others are scheduled to speak. I hope people protest the shtein out of it. Speaking of which - those lowlife snowflakes got offended at people protesting in front of judges homes and enacted laws against it. But little kids get their faces blown off and not a one of those spineless losers will enact any firearm reform.
https://twitter.com/maggienyt/status/1529290325923188737 21&t=MjXx2pzMBS4KVpL7Fgibqg
Imagine that! You're a nine year old and you watch another kids face get shot off because why?!
Peruse the right wing nutjobs and you'll see the "derrrr define assault rifle lib" or whatever other things they like to say.
They'll never ban them completely.
So...
One month waiting period
No private gun show sales
Force owners to have insurance policies like with cars
If someone steals your gun because it's left in your car? Jail.
Mental health evaluation completed in the one month waiting period
None of that is "taking our gunzzzz" shtein. And no one should be against this. NO ONE.
And by the way - any of those shteinbirds who like to think they're living in 1779 and have firearms to protect them against governmental tyranny...newsflash iceholes...if the cops, feds or military decided to start rounding civilians up they're going to get you. You're not Rambo.
Half of those living in that fantasy land of fighting these people coming to get them (btw they shout back the blue...but they'd shoot the blue coming for them?!) would run out of breath running to their closet to get their gun.
farg.
Quote from: General_Failure on May 24, 2022, 11:54:52 PM
https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1529257356135215105
Is anyone shocked?
Why would the MAGAts miss an opportunity to shtein on the non-whites? Oh your kid is in the morgue and it's the worst day of your life? Sorry. Here's ICE to make it worse.
The minority in this country needs to stop winning because of the antiquated electoral college. But then again those clutching the pearls of the EC are also the ones grasping to the second amendment.
Anyone who has ever fantasized about shooting someone who broke into their home is not fit to live among other human beings. Yet that's all they can think of when they say they want to protect their family. Didn't protect them from school shooters. Didn't protect them from covid. Didn't protect them from Reverend Jellyfinger. It's only ever the fantasy of shooting someone breaking into their house.
Breaking into their house
Or
Catching someone breaking into their car
Or
Being the good guy with a gun in a public setting
Or
Confronting someone who cut them off
Any of the above applies to the gun nut. It's sick
These deplorables are hyper focused on imaginary issues like don't say gay and crt...they can't pass legislation fast enough. This? Nothing.
americans can't be trusted with guns. take them all away. all of them.
Quote from: TAFKASD on May 25, 2022, 04:20:20 AM
These deplorables are hyper focused on imaginary issues like don't say gay and crt...they can't pass legislation fast enough. This? Nothing.
They won't say it out loud but MAGA is quietly happy with this shooting cause it took place in a Hispanic community
https://twitter.com/jarjarfan69/status/1529338584200798210 21&t=U38yXpfiHWaiGx_BLoy8Aw
Already seeing some ghouls celebrating that "good guy with a gun shot him"...you know, after he killed 19 kids. But it looks like cops were there, they shot at him, and that still didn't do shtein. Don't let anyone push that bullshtein narrative today.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 25, 2022, 08:51:37 AM
Quote from: TAFKASD on May 25, 2022, 04:20:20 AM
These deplorables are hyper focused on imaginary issues like don't say gay and crt...they can't pass legislation fast enough. This? Nothing.
They won't say it out loud but MAGA is quietly happy with this shooting cause it took place in a Hispanic community
Oh its already being said on some circles of that cult - and one of them mainstream idiots will say it eventually
Quote from: Munson on May 25, 2022, 09:07:56 AM
https://twitter.com/jarjarfan69/status/1529338584200798210 21&t=U38yXpfiHWaiGx_BLoy8Aw
Already seeing some ghouls celebrating that "good guy with a gun shot him"...you know, after he killed 19 kids. But it looks like cops were there, they shot at him, and that still didn't do shtein. Don't let anyone push that bullshtein narrative today.
BACK THE BLUE!
its not theyre happy its that they dont care. they didnt care when pure white babies died in sandy hook either.
at the herschel walker watch party (a thing that exists) they groaned and booed at the very topic...the base is beyond over it and doesnt give a shtein about mass gun violence. they view at just part of freedom.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 25, 2022, 08:51:37 AM
Quote from: TAFKASD on May 25, 2022, 04:20:20 AM
These deplorables are hyper focused on imaginary issues like don't say gay and crt...they can't pass legislation fast enough. This? Nothing.
They won't say it out loud but MAGA is quietly happy with this shooting cause it took place in a Hispanic community
You're giving them way too much credit.
Holy shtein Beto O'rourke
https://twitter.com/momof351929068/status/1529520937774764034 21&t=6jjoQvmRdfedFPuFixiqnw
I guess Beto's not entitled to free speech
Love Beto.
farg Dan Patrick, Greg Abbott, Ken Paxton and the rest of them.
I really want Beto to win. But he's fighting a massive uphill battle.
so there were 3 cops at the school and the kid was not actually wearing armor?
what is the point of police then? if we need police at all maybe we should incentivize them so we don't get the dumbest and least athletic people possible.
Getting the dumbest is a design feature, not a bug.
The fat fouled mouthed lard ass screaming at Beto needed to get got right then and there.
I would have loved to see them all draw down too. Blast away, all of ya.
https://twitter.com/bradmossesq/status/1529234505734623232 21&t=t7QCNx8svOh8ECDW3l8A4A
farging Hoydas. Absolute horseshtein.
Maybe that scumbag redneck mayor, rather than yelling at Beto, can dress down his police chief and officers for their abject failure in protecting kids.
And the GOP fargs who love to tweet about the hero first responders can eat a fleshpop too.
FORTY MINUTES
https://twitter.com/brianbeutler/status/1529653482994933761 21&t=medNOdDKga5SKBvLPP0fNg
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/teacher-uvalde-texas-describes-longest-35-minutes-life-rcna30571
"They've been practicing for this day for years,"
How farged is this?
American, baby!
Where the gun nuts will not welcome ANY reform at all but little kids have to practice active shooter drills.
This is sickening.
video of cops keeping parents from approaching school as the shooting is unfolding--and they refuse to enter themselves--is harrowing...wonder how the cops would be doing if some of those parents were armed and trying to get past them
I'll wait for facts to be established but this doesn't look like an example of bravery and service to the community at all
i saw a story on the mayor of uvaldi which is 80% hispanic and this guy is a anti immigrant white supremacist....80% of the cops probably are as well
Quote from: Diomedes on May 26, 2022, 07:08:12 AM
video of cops keeping parents from approaching school as the shooting is unfolding--and they refuse to enter themselves--is harrowing...wonder how the cops would be doing if some of those parents were armed and trying to get past them
I'll wait for facts to be established but this doesn't look like an example of bravery and service to the community at all
He barricaded himself in the classroom for over an hour, those cowardice cops waited for tactical units to arrive before he was engaged. Wacko had an AR and body armor the cops only had their handguns. They're farging cowards.
https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1529813261427802115 21&t=GaH1zKTb5weVM0lt1IkX-A
https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1529815742320979968 21&t=GaH1zKTb5weVM0lt1IkX-A
I think this is a good point for the "it goes beyond guns, something is wrong with society" talking point. Maybe a society whose leaders are constantly throwing up their arms and saying "welp nothing we can do" about gun violence or health care or covid-19 or etc etc etc...leads to more people thinking nothing is important and nothing matters
Most of the cops pictures and names that are coming out today appear to be Hispanic, so my first reaction is that they're just utterly incompetent and too talentless to get another job rather than being racists.
Quote from: Munson on May 26, 2022, 10:32:50 AM
I think this is a good point for the "it goes beyond guns, something is wrong with society" talking point. Maybe a society whose leaders are constantly throwing up their arms and saying "welp nothing we can do" about gun violence or health care or covid-19 or etc etc etc...leads to more people thinking nothing is important and nothing matters
people dont get cues from leaders...leaders take cues from people. republicans dont run fox news, the audience does. everything is programed to the base and everything R's do falls in line with what their base tells them even if its getting people killed.
if you expect ted cruz or louie gohmert to go against what their core and noncore voters say, you dont quite understand the ignorance of the american people
this is really good stuff and gets to the heart of the issue...cruz knows precisely why violent mass murder happens in america and america only. it is politically inconvenient for him to admit it and he has no answer for it so he attacks and bails. this is what we are dealing with...abject cowardice from leaders and abject cowardice from voters who continue to make these people leaders. two halves of a whole.
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1529851537790476288
He's so god damn punchable.
Judging by the sheriffs actions yesterday, I'm 100% sure he ordered his deputies to stand down.
He wanted those kids dead.
They're monsters and I hope he and his cowardly farging force burn for this.
Everyone remember this classic
https://youtu.be/6imFvSua3Kg
I mean, I'll say it...I do indeed want to take away all the guns.
Or, at a minimum, I want to pack the court and have them interpret the 2nd amendment way differently than it currently is, and overturn Heller.
Husband of one of the victims dead from heart attack.
Some of those cops who stood around are going to die sooner than they otherwise would as well, either by outright suicide (which would honorable) or by shaving years off their lives with drink food and pills. The rest of them will sleep like babies and live long happy lives.
Quote from: Diomedes on May 27, 2022, 07:29:34 AM
Husband of one of the victims dead from heart attack.
Some of those cops who stood around are going to die sooner than they otherwise would as well, either by outright suicide (which would honorable) or by shaving years off their lives with drink food and pills. The rest of them will sleep like babies and live long happy lives.
The cover up and disinformation of the actual events is pathetic. Restraining parents who just wanted to save their childs life is despicable. I wish no harm on anyone and I don't pretend to know what it's like to walk in someone else's shoes but if I was on scene and just stood by I'd put a bullet in my head eventually. I couldn't live with that guilt.
Also, I may have said it when it was first posted, but man, do I wish Obama had responded to the bullshtein line about Chicago having strictest gun laws by pointing out that it's an island surrounded by places where anyone can get a gun any time etc., so there's only so much the City can do about the proliferation of guns.
Also..that old angry white dude is probably dead by now, right? COVID got him, if not obesity and old age? Buh-bye dude. You've been replaced.
Quote from: TAFKASD on May 27, 2022, 07:45:24 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on May 27, 2022, 07:29:34 AM
Husband of one of the victims dead from heart attack.
Some of those cops who stood around are going to die sooner than they otherwise would as well, either by outright suicide (which would honorable) or by shaving years off their lives with drink food and pills. The rest of them will sleep like babies and live long happy lives.
The cover up and disinformation of the actual events is pathetic. Restraining parents who just wanted to save their childs life is despicable. I wish no harm on anyone and I don't pretend to know what it's like to walk in someone else's shoes but if I was on scene and just stood by I'd put a bullet in my head eventually. I couldn't live with that guilt.
you are making a huge assumption that they care even a little bit about brown children....its probably why they didn't go in in the first place
From the limited videos I saw it looked like some of the officers on scene were "brown people". Also there were officers and first responders who had kids in that school.
I was disconnected yesterday from news (got shteinfaced with some friends) but I just read that the DPS (state troopers) said in their PC this morning that they assumed that it was a barricaded suspect and not an active shooter by the time they arrived.
Jesus Christ.
Also reading about how kids played dead by smearing blood on themselves.
What a farged up country we are.
Good time to remember with all the arguments about what's "constitutional" that all laws are made up as are how the scotus interpretes the amendments. Listening to right wing "strict constitutionalists" yammer on about how you'd need a brand new amendment to do ____ is annoying AF.
This literal shtein for brains was actually President
https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1530311024103985152 21&t=PKKG46dGpoDBccZB8mwnDQ
https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1530307705923162119 21&t=joLKyR_1_3Hue_QN7c5B8g
That's farging despicable
Ironic it's an nra convention but they're not allowed to bring their guns in the arena.
I hope they all die slow farging deaths
So it turns out the cowards went in to pull their own kids out and left the others to die in terror.
But Back The Blue, though.
Also - 40% of the town's budget goes to the PD. So 4 out of every 10 bucks the parents paid in taxes went to guys who stood by while their babies were slaughtered.
Yeah, what is is Ice Cube said? Something like farg THE POLICE?
Quote from: Rome on May 28, 2022, 06:38:40 AM
So it turns out the cowards went in to pull their own kids out and left the others to die in terror.
But Back The Blue, though.
Also - 40% of the town's budget goes to the PD. So 4 out of every 10 bucks the parents paid in taxes went to guys who stood by while their babies were slaughtered.
Yeah, what is is Ice Cube said? Something like farg THE POLICE?
Kids who were still alive 30-40 minutes in at the time called whispering please send police officers while those farging cowards stood outside for an hour. There were 3 police on scene within 2 minutes. Every one of them, the gop and the nra can rot in farging hell.
This story is super emotional and hard to think about....one pretty emotional thing I keep returning to is: what would I do if this were my kids? If I'm suddenly not a Dad anymore? And the guy who did it is dead. There will be no justice. And clearly, my government won't do anything about it. I've no longer got anything to live for....why don't I spend a few years figuring out a way to make someone pay, someone like the NRA, or the death cult gun nut GOP? I'm a smart enough guy, capable enough, with time and a burning coal of hatred, I could leave a whole bunch of dead Republicans if I wanted to. But hundreds of parents have been in that position...and none of them, not one, has blown up the NRA headquarters. Why not? Why do people keep taking this and doing nothing about it? How long can it continue before some grieved parent, or surviving sibling, decides farg it...if you can't beat them, join them, and strike back?
(I'm talking from emotion here, Mr. FBI, so if you gotta call me when you read this, fine, it's your job....but you didn't call this punk when he was posting actual threats, so if you call, I'm gonna heap a ration of shtein on you for utterly failing us.)
I'm pretty sure those parents immediately go on a watch list just to prevent that exact thing.
The budget for that effort must be huge and growing, and begs the question: They've got the will and capacity to turn the surviving victims of violence into subjects for surveillance and monitoring, but not the perpetrators, who are busily announcing their plans to the public?
Hmmm....maybe the all cops are bastiches crowd has the right of it?
They called in outside popo for protection already.
I saw a tweet where someone was blubbering go over the possibility that the cowards might start killing themselves and OMG how sad that would be.
If they had an ounce of integrity they would have already eaten their guns. But nope. Poor misunderstood cops. Boo hoo.
They called in outside popo for protection already.
I saw a tweet where someone was blubbering over the possibility that the cowards might start killing themselves and OMG how sad that would be.
If they had an ounce of integrity they would have already eaten their guns. But nope. Poor misunderstood cops. Boo hoo.
Quote from: Diomedes on May 28, 2022, 11:28:18 AM
This story is super emotional and hard to think about....one pretty emotional thing I keep returning to is: what would I do if this were my kids? If I'm suddenly not a Dad anymore? And the guy who did it is dead. There will be no justice. And clearly, my government won't do anything about it. I've no longer got anything to live for....why don't I spend a few years figuring out a way to make someone pay, someone like the NRA, or the death cult gun nut GOP? I'm a smart enough guy, capable enough, with time and a burning coal of hatred, I could leave a whole bunch of dead Republicans if I wanted to. But hundreds of parents have been in that position...and none of them, not one, has blown up the NRA headquarters. Why not? Why do people keep taking this and doing nothing about it? How long can it continue before some grieved parent, or surviving sibling, decides farg it...if you can't beat them, join them, and strike back?
(I'm talking from emotion here, Mr. FBI, so if you gotta call me when you read this, fine, it's your job....but you didn't call this punk when he was posting actual threats, so if you call, I'm gonna heap a ration of shtein on you for utterly failing us.)
Yep. I've wondered that myself - why we haven't seen any rogue or even organized actions against those who empower the gun nuts. The grief one has to feel from losing a child in this manner is unconscionable. And when it happens those parents and family members have to endure people like Cruz, Patrick, Abbott and their ilk simply giving lip service, thoughts and prayers and things that will not help.
I've been reading a lot about this and each day it gets worse for the Uvalde police. And each day that passes a GOP pol steps deeper into shtein with some ridiculous comparisons. That dumbass Boebert said "after 9/11 we didn't ban planes".
Every talking point from previous shootings has been (even though we knew it before) has been proven wrong or shown to simply be lip service
Good guy with a gun - wrong
How many good guys with guns were there?
Back the blue - wrong
How farged was the Uvalde PD's response? I mean they farging restrained parents while a lunatic was murdering children nearby. We can throw the DPS into the mix here too and the Texas Rangers. At some point someone from a state agency has to usurp the locals. One of the agencies even had the balls to say something along the lines of "well we didn't want any officers to get shot"
Police forces need military equipment - wrong
All those weapons and vehicles and whatnot and they didn't have the courage to confront the shooter.
Defunding law enforcement - wrong
40% of the city's budget goes to the PD
Mental health problem - true but...
Abbott slashed the states budget on that by $211m. And if you guys didn't hear Beto say it the Harris County Jail here is the states biggest mental health facility. That's farged.
Everything about this is sickening. I can't stop thinking about the timelines being released; the children repeatedly calling 911 and asking for help and the cops were right outside. The little girl who had to play dead by smearing her friends blood on herself? JFC.
And you know what? Not a farging thing is going to change. Not one.
why not just assassinate republican senators...like if youre gonna go out take ted cruz with you
Elevates him too much. He doesn't deserve assassination.
I mean Christ, they've turned that ranting idiot nobody who got herself killed on Jan 6 into Mother Theresa. You'd hate to see what they'd do with a murdered Cruz or Tucker...as nice as it would be to be rid of them...
worth reading:
https://www.thetrace.org/2022/05/nra-convention-houston-2022-schools/
Cops got caught lying again, this time about the teacher leaving the door open. Now they're not cooperating with the investigation by the state anymore. Lol
Quote from: Munson on May 31, 2022, 07:37:11 PM
Cops got caught lying again, this time about the teacher leaving the door open. Now they're not cooperating with the investigation by the state anymore. Lol
They should all be charged but it's Texas so Abbott will probably give them medals then talk about voter fraud, abortion and border control
my brain has already moved on from thiis thing to the point that I see this thread with a new post and I think....oh, another one?
won't be long
As Sen Chris Murphy pointed out there has been ten mass shootings in the week since Uvalde we just don't hear about them as much or if at all...because they're normal now.
I'm still hung up on Uvalde because of how farged the police response was and as more cokes out I keep rooting for more people to be exposed.
Now the teacher whom the cops said propped the door open? Turns out she didn't.
And the Uvalde ISD chief was sworn in as a city council member today. While his dept and the city cops are now refusing to cooperate with the state investigators.
And another...
https://twitter.com/poojaontv/status/1532139794611970048 21&t=0Ch13auZVmnGEW3ohT55pA
Ol Pete continues to look worse. You'd think criminally negligent.
Nah. USA!
https://twitter.com/jdavidgoodman/status/1532784506465398787 21&t=ceZRG6wL6JSHPNwhrYHkog
It's long overdue but now
Philly is slammin'
Boyz II Men, ABC, BBD
The East Coast family
Never skipped a beat (nah)
While cooling on South street
https://www.inquirer.com/news/south-street-shootings-philadelphia-police-three-dead-20220605.html?outputType=amp
https://abcnews.go.com/US/13-injured-dead-philadelphia-shooting-police/story?id=85190991
Mcconaughey's white house presser was on point today
i biked past the shooting site today
there were flowers, well one bouquet on the corner of 3rd and south. some glass next to the ritas that had been shattered was boarded up. otherwise youd have no idea it happened. everything else was normal.
we have beyond normalized gun violence in this country. nobody and i mean nobody gives a shtein.
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1534999270004248578 21&t=Fq-S_P2ye88YjTyEvNzVBA
3 dead at factory in bumblefarg Maryland.
It's basically impossible to kill three people with the weaponry that was in production at the time the Constitution was written.
This farging guy
https://twitter.com/mike_hixenbaugh/status/1535080435797327873 21&t=2IEYf76FeTc0ZwjCY_N52g
In addition to the city and the PD hiring a private law firm o suppress the release of information we have this disgusting news
https://twitter.com/joshuafechter/status/1538281517079834624 21&t=PaW0EebTlyWBDUbJH69pQg
Pigs
"No guns were killed in the latest incident of mental health breakdown."
- NRA
What the hell. So they stood out there forever while he picked kids off
https://twitter.com/statesman/status/1539009067418537984 21&t=9gNxUZrRQqKDRM0G_GazqA
police are not there to protect you or your kids...they protect the inherited power structure
We are living in one farged up society.
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1542489585665511424 21&t=U1P-fb0ntNkpZDBj6qPrnA
Shooting in America on its birthday?
USA!
https://twitter.com/lynnsweet/status/1543992717105135617 21&t=HcPrrqHpX52EBMC83n_QBw
Five dead and 16 injured
https://twitter.com/lynnsweet/status/1543993857980891139 21&t=HcPrrqHpX52EBMC83n_QBw
america, where 10 year olds raped by their uncle cant get abortion (and nobody rats out the uncle), where you are apt to die at a suburban july 4th parade and where the police harass you for having the chutzpah to care about your 6 year old dying in a school shooting
what a great place
Where do you even find a bulletproof school bag for a 10 year old, anyway?
Quote from: General_Failure on July 04, 2022, 08:39:26 PM
Where do you even find a bulletproof school bag for a 10 year old, anyway?
I'm surprised the king of all grifters isn't selling them on his website.
Anyways the little shteinbird who did this is a Trumper
And now reports of a shooting on the parkway in phila during the fireworks - reportedly two cops shot
i almost got dragged there tonight...its a suck fest even without the bullets so thankfully for a variety of reasons i didnt go
Radical domestic terrorism
This video was obtained by a TV station and the Austin newspaper. They showed the families first and received permission to release it.
Jesus farging Christ what a cowardly bunch of cops.
And Uvalde had a press conference tonight and of course they're blaming the media.
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1546955421243478016 21&t=jlOv5o0SrDVgaJc9JWxjWw
Nothing surprising there, really. Police departments actively filter out anyone who isn't exactly like this.
https://www.fox3now.com/active-shooter-reported-at-greenwood-park-mall-in-indianapolis/
Killed by a "Good Samaritan". See the system works only 4 people died. farging despicable the right celebrates this.
Good lord
https://twitter.com/tplohetski/status/1568018420200837120 46&t=pKwA49zHHevdqH1zgv6bnA
Don't bother calling 911 cops ain't gonna do shtein
They're looking for the keys to open up the park as we speak.
This country is farged.
abbott blamed it on "gang violence" aka negroes/spics
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1594290743321018368
this country is so farged
The right wingers not jerking off all over tv and Twitter about the fact that a combat veteran stopped a mass shooter with his bare hands tells you all you need to know about who they think "deserves it"/has it coming to them?
farg them.
Who stopped this one?
https://twitter.com/ap/status/1595463940225499136 46&t=BZJNDw4huSN4-d48d9kodw
unarmed patron at a gay bar did more than scores of armed cops could manage at Uvalde
Founders would never have allowed common people to carry semi automatic pistols (which were not invented at the time) nevermind semi auto rifles, etc.
Gonna need to repeal 2A
10 dead in Monterey CA
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-01-22/la-me-monterey-park-mass-shooting
no one cares and our country died a long time ago
I dint understand why this story gets front page treatment but no one seems to care about all the fatal mass stabbings
Have they identified a shooter?
it was an asian dude (rare) but he did it because he was angry at some woman and wanted inflict damage (common) but was ultimately a deranged person with easy access to a weapon of war (every day in the great old usa)
Quote from: Diomedes on January 22, 2023, 02:12:56 PM
I dint understand why this story gets front page treatment but no one seems to care about all the fatal mass stabbings
Knives don't have the lobbying power that guns do. Also, mall ninjas aren't a big enough demographic in the US for voting or campaign contributions.
72 year old mass shooter
that is a new one
I feel like we've had that before at abortion clinics?
ho hum
Another one today.
https://twitter.com/GiffordsCourage/status/1617700285018951681
T&P
who gives a shtein
A way of life.
The populace getting dumber by the day with "the jab" shtein. Mass shootings as common as they ever have been. Politicians getting away with whatever they want to. Books being yanked off shelves. States re-writing and whitewashing history.
USA!
USA!
USA!
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/03/20/uvalde-shooting-police-ar-15/
As if we needed more proof that civilians shouldn't have access to the AR's.
we got one a loony jesus school in tenny...cant wait to see what the freedom loving parents now with dead and or traumatized children think about assault weapons
We had the old Asian guy a few months ago and now we have a teen girl
https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/1640405849758744596 46&t=Uib2YOn6CJgx-z2RaE9o7Q
I think the most important thing to remember is at least there wasn't a drag show or a class explaining LGBTQ rights going on prior to the shooting.
The victims' parents and family members will always have that to hold onto.
clearly someone showed the shooter a photo of Leonardo's David and it caused her to lose her mind
it being a jesus freak school in a church she was probably abused and/or raped by someone in that place, it was covered up and this was the end result
go christianity go
or maybe she was an atheist who hates believers? was she all dressed in black, listening to the Smiths?
Jon Stewart annihilates shall not be infringed rep
https://youtu.be/tCuIxIJBfCY
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1640387323173957636 46&t=SMD_81TvVT-H5sNwmpVLIQ
Quote from: Diomedes on March 27, 2023, 03:47:22 PM
or maybe she was an atheist who hates believers? was she all dressed in black, listening to the Smiths?
Stop me if you think that you've heard this one before?
Girlfriend in a coma?
So many choices...
JFC this article...what a great, yet terrifying and hauntingly sad, piece of journalism. Especially when you get to the end and how it illustrates time.
https://twitter.com/fenitn/status/1640440106979827717 46&t=Uib2YOn6CJgx-z2RaE9o7Q
Yeah that thing is rough. The Sandy hook kid they used for it has similar complexion to my kid and similar hair color, though a little darker. fargin hell.
Another one - this time in Louisville.
146 mass shootings in 100 days in 2023
15 mass shootings so far this month
And ain't a damn thing gonna change.
U-S-A!
Permitless carry is going to be fun here in fargtopia.
Also - I won't be a hypocrite and suggest I don't support responsible gun ownership. I do. But there is no reason anyone needs weapons of war. Then again, the way things are going, we just might.
I wonder how different things would be if the children of politicians were taken out and killed in cold blood whenever one of these mass killings occur? Five people slaughtered? Boom. Senator NRA loses a five year old. We could televise them even. Sell tickets and shtein.
We have the permitless carry here. Its about as you'd expect - everyone has a gun. We have almost daily road rage shootings too.
Quote from: Rome on April 10, 2023, 01:35:41 PM
I wonder how different things would be if the children of politicians were taken out and killed in cold blood whenever one of these mass killings occur?
theyre all sociopaths who care more about power than life, let alone their childrens lives. each one of them would gladly sacrifice their kids for their job.
and there is no such thing as responsible gun ownership. a few common sense things would eliminate *some* of the school shootings but the only way to eliminate mass gun violence is a full on ban or extreme restrictions on ownership which has zero political capital even among democrats. just hope the bullet dont find you
If the Louisville bank only had armed security guards....
I grew up hunting and fishing. Was taught how to assemble, disassemble, clean and safely store shotguns, rifles and pistols from an early age. The thing is the wackos are never giving their guns up. I don't care how many laws are passed. I don't care if Ronnie Reagan himself came down from the clouds and touched each of them on the dick. They would all rather die than surrender their substitutes for penises and their Daddy's love.
And that's the crux of it everywhere. Liberals would gladly give them up if it meant everyone did, but right now there ain't no way on Earth they're getting mine, because the mirrored sunglasses wearing Jeep riding gun nuts out there would gladly kill all of us before they ever give them up.
Two stellar posts on a row, easy does it now!
Jays neck of the woods. 5 dead including an 8 year old.
https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2023/04/29/5-people-dead-after-shooting-in-san-jacinto-county/
If only Texas had looser gun laws there might have been a good guy with a gun.
A disgustingly sad story to wake up to this morning.
Cleveland is hickville.
Neighbors tell the dude to stop popping his AR off in the front yard so he executes them.
Reportedly a Mexican National and everyone killed were Hondurans.
So you're saying in Texas it was reported as a feel good story.
All shootings are celebrated in Texas.
Pretty much in the sense of
1. Well if the (insert victim of ANY crime) were armed and practicing their second ammendment rights maybe they wouldn't have been subjected to said crime or been able to neutralize the threat
2. Reading NextDoor app with all the nutjobs and when some screeching Karen posts about how someone rang her doorbell it's met with "arm yourself" replies
And the greaseball Governor here responds by offering $50k for the capture of the person responsible for killing "five illegal immigrants"
Total farging shteinbag
we got a live one in allen, texas
richie rich suburb of dallas. this one took place at some swanky mall. ted cruz doesnt care.
USA USA USA!
thoughts and prayers and all that
I regret scrolling Twitter reading details. Came across a video of the bodies to include a child with their brains no longer intact.
farg this world
Just absolutely sickening.
https://twitter.com/bfriedmandc/status/1655068065954971650 46&t=Uib2YOn6CJgx-z2RaE9o7Q
On the new software do we need to do something different to post tweets?
I just have to fix the filter for it again. Or you can strip off everything at the end starting with the question mark
I suppose those kids should have been strapped up?
If either of my kids gets shot up the FBI will need to watch me for the rest of my life; I'll find a way to make the gun lovers pay.
Thanks GF.
And Dio I'm surprised people haven't done that yet. Whether at court hearings for the suspect (when they live) or just going after the most ardent "gunzzzz" people.
shooter was a neo nazi. cannot believe this.
Wayyyymint
He was a Mexican neo Nazi?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 06, 2023, 08:17:46 PMI regret scrolling Twitter reading details. Came across a video of the bodies to include a child with their brains no longer intact.
farg this world
Saw that video as well. farging awful.
anti black racism among hispanics and asians hasnt been much of a secret, but i guess the public at large is having difficulty grasping it. good thing the allen shooter posted a meme about it
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvoMKaxWYAU8wUF?format=jpg&name=small)
They also aren't realizing they're running right into the "race is a social construct" thing because, hey, Hispanic people have been considered "white" on and off throughout our history and many of them identify as white
Quislings aren't a new thing, especially for white supremacists.
https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1655672553774657537 46&t=SMD_81TvVT-H5sNwmpVLIQ
Yeah he was a no doubter incel nazi loving motherfarger operating straight out of the Mass Shooting 101 manual.
He even staked out the mall weeks prior to make sure he went at the peak busy time on a Saturday.
And yet, despite having Elon's $44bn website broadcast them, the videos and photos of those poor kids and families laying there won't move the god damn gun control needle one inch.
Until the next one...sadly.
Any MAGAt who champions more cops in schools to stop school shooters can eat shtein. That dude who failed to confront the Stoneman shooter in Florida was found not guilty today.
So do nothing and people dgaf
The courts decided a while ago that cops are not obligated to put themselves in danger.
Count me OUT of the people hating on that dude. Pretty complicated story.
This time in Philly
https://twitter.com/ap/status/1676073249074040832 46&t=Uib2YOn6CJgx-z2RaE9o7Q
nobody cares about dead negroes in the hood...nobody cares about dead white kids in a classroom either but this wont make a dent
A racially motivated one in Jacksonville where black folks were targeted.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/26/us/jacksonville-florida-shooting-multiple-fatalities/index.html
Is someone keeping score of all these? I know there's a loco liberal once in a while, but my lord the conservatives love to kill people, don't they?
Yep.
Reading my NextDoor app and in between the HOA Karen's and the warning about every person who drives down a street or knocks on a door there's a wave of comments about how people should be armed or "if they knock on my door they'll see Mr Smith and Mr Wesson"
Oh and go read what Tennessee is doing tk juke the stats on mass shootings in their state. They're changing definitions of them to include any private school or house or worship to not be counted
The news showed the Jacksonville shooter and it was a fat young white kid who hated blacks. He unloaded 52 shots into a Kia parked at the front of the store and then went inside.
And now there's reportedly another active shooter on the UNC campus
Got one in Lewiston, Maine. At least 16 dead, suspect at large.
I don't think it was a stabbing.
Sheesh.
50-60 wounded.
Thoughts and prayers!
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/25/us/lewiston-maine-shooting/index.html
White dood
AR15
who cares
They catch the guy yet?
What another horrific ordeal that absolutely not a god damn thing will be done about it.
Nope. He's still not been found. Likely dead in the woods somewhere, like the dude here in MD that offed the judge who granted his wife custody of his children. They found him dead by suicide.
just another day in america
We need to get serious about taking guns away from people.
That or the victims need to fight back and start shooting NRA members and lawmakers.
I've wondered about that - lets say one of the "thoughts and prayers - guns aren't the problem" people has to deal with losing someone like so many people do now. How quickly would they flip their view? Or are they so morally and ethically bankrupt and blinded by the cult that they would still toe the line?
Apparently the entire area around this shooting is still on "shelter in place" orders.
That's insane.
Can the authorities actually enforce that? What if I'm out of food? What if I want to go for a ride?
farg that shtein. The dude is dead in the woods. Or he's not. But you're gonna shut down the entire towns of Lewiston (40k) and Portland (more)?
Crazy.
Guns don't kill people. Democrats are at fault.
- GOP
No shock - scumbag was found dead of a self inflicted gunshot.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2023, 08:23:50 AMI've wondered about that - lets say one of the "thoughts and prayers - guns aren't the problem" people has to deal with losing someone like so many people do now. How quickly would they flip their view? Or are they so morally and ethically bankrupt and blinded by the cult that they would still toe the line?
If someone shot up my kids, what would I have to live for any longer? Why wouldn't I just reset, retreat into a private campaign of retribution against the gun lobby? I could take a couple years to plan, and let the gun lovers have a taste of the horror they are inflicting on America, just like this guy did, but instead of targeting random people, bring the fight home.
I'm genuinely puzzled why we haven't seen someone take that kind of reaction. Surely, with outrageous numbers of people who survived one of these atrocities, or lost someone, there are desperate wounded people with nothing better to do than strike back.
Why haven't they? Does the FBI put every victim on a watch list, track their movements, etc? Is the security for these gun pushers really so good that people are trying to get at them, and failing? I find that hard to believe.
Why would the FBI need to watch anyone when real patriot American citizens are more than willing to go harass them themselves for being a crisis actor?
Yeah those people don't believe shtein. Something can happen right in front of them and they deny it in some form or fashion.
But I agree with Dio too. I'm shocked that we haven't seen it happen either.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2023, 08:23:50 AMI've wondered about that - lets say one of the "thoughts and prayers - guns aren't the problem" people has to deal with losing someone like so many people do now. How quickly would they flip their view? Or are they so morally and ethically bankrupt and blinded by the cult that they would still toe the line?
I wonder if there has been a shift from the good old fashioned lie through their teeth corporate dirtbag types to a new wave of people who actually convince themselves of whatever stories suit their interests. I have no idea if this is true but I get the impression that a lot of these people believe themselves. Maybe a fake news kind of effect?
Definitely. Not only that but an overall lack of compassion. And a lot of that is tied to the political landscape over the last seven years. A certain orange crusted cretin made it seemingly ok in people's eyes to be unrepentant iceholes.
The problem with pandering to the lowest common denominator is there's always someone willing to go so much lower than you. This is just the natural progression of what's been going on since LBJ.
I forgot this one even happened.
Actually, no I didn't. You have to know something to forget it. This one didn't register any attention at all when it happened.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/11/21/louisville-shooter-connor-sturgeon-report/
Dude left a note explaining why he did it: to prove how easy it is for someone to get a weapon and slaughter people. Railed against the NRA, etc. If only he had directed his rampage as well as his tirade against the gun lovers who insist on making mass killing weapons available so easily, rather than random people...
We got one here in HTown at Joel Osteen's Lakewood Church (one of those super churches - where the Rockets used to play)
Early reports are male and female shooters and the female is dead but male it at large
Osteen assured everyone afterwards that "God is in control."
Thanks, Joel.
"Police in Bucks County, Pa., told people to shelter in place Saturday morning after what a congressman called an "active shooter alert.""
guns for everyone working out great, unless you want to go get a bagel of a Saturday morning.....outside world currently Closed for gunfights
My ring was non stop alerts this morning. Shooting was like 10 minutes from my house. Last update I heard guy carjacked someone and fled to Trenton
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/breaking-suspect-sought-multiple-killed-levittown-shooting/3805011/?amp=1
homeless 26 year old killed his baby mama, stepmother, and minor sister, bludgeoned mother of his baby mama, carjacked a dude, was finally taken into custody after a standoff at home of other family members
AR something something don't call it an assault weapon muh rights to have personal nukes
Three separate shootings last night where my daughter lives in Jacksonville.
Quite the delightful shteinhole of a country we have here.
Mass shooting outside Indianapolis mall leaves 7 injured, all children and teens, police say (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-shooting-indianapolis-mall-children-teens-injured/)
Children need concealed carry rights, so they can defend themselves.
Theres still malls?
in Indiana, yes.
they're a few decades behind and tryin to stay there
School's back in session. https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/apalachee-high-school-barrow-county-hard-lockdown
QuoteBARROW COUNTY, Ga. - Apalachee High School in Winder in Barrow County was put on a hard lockdown earlier because of a major incident.
According to school officials, the school was put on hard lockdown after reports were received about gunfire.
FOX 5 Atlanta received multiple phone calls and messages about a possible shooting and has a crew on the way to the scene.
SkyFOX 5 is flying over the scene and emergency responders can be seen treating people at the school. At least two people were observed being put into helicopters to be flown to hospitals for treatment.
There are dozens of law enforcement officers at the school.
Shortly before 11:30 a.m., the school told FOX News that the school has been cleared and students are being released to their families. Students may be picked up from the school. Buses will also run for students needing transportation to their homes. The school says it will share more information as soon as it can.
The Barrow County Sheriff's Office says that it will post updates on their Facebook page.
Gov. Brian Kemp has issued a statement on X:
According to U.S. News & World Report, there are approximately 1,900 students enrolled at the school. It is one of two high schools in the Barrow County Public Schools district.
The school is located about 40 miles northeast of Atlanta.
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the dj khaled gif "and another" is apropos
USA! USA!
the shooter was 14...he was interviewed by the fbi at 13 because people thought he was gonna do it...pops said yea i get guns but he cant get them. off he went to school and wallah he got guns.
we are a deeply, deeply unserious country. put his parents in prison.
They charged the dad today.
Good.