2016 Head Coach Search

[ice grillin you]

i dont feel too strongly about it either way but i would not give up a pick for him...you can make a solid argument for and against...i think hes a very good offensive coach but i dont know that hes a great player evaluator...also is he truly a game changer that you are going to trade for or is he just easily the best coach in a very underwhelming pool of candidates

on the other hand i do love the idea of him working with bradford

[Rome]

Payton hired Ryan to run his defense.  That sort of misjudgment is really a black mark against him.  And he hasn't done much since the SB season even with a HOF QB.

Pass. 

I'd take a run at Chucky if you're looking to hit a home run. 

[ice grillin you]

i dont quite understand how gruden could be a home run and payton could not...they are almost the exact same candidate

same age...both offensive minds...one sb each with a historical bad franchise...both coached with the eagles...each coached about ten seasons (payton has a much better record)

two significant differences...each a potential mark against....gruden hasnt coached for almost a decade and payton had drew brees

to me the upside is about the same with each....but gruden comes with more risk

[Rome]

Because I farging said so, that's why. 

[Sgt PSN]

How involved was Gruene with picking players in Oak?  Did he have a bunch of influence or was he just there to coach the players he was given?

[ice grillin you]

im pretty sure gruden didnt get that power until tampa

[Sgt PSN]

That's what I was thinking, but I can barely remember the Eagles FO setup from 14 years ago, much less the Raiders.

Reason I asked was because Gruden gets no credit for the Bucs roster that he won the SB with, but the team he beat was basically the same roster he had been coaching the previous few years. Just curious if he actually had a hand in building that roster or not.  Doesn't seem like he did. So the only thing you can really go by for his FO ability is after the SB, and I beleive they started a steady decline after that.

[Rome]

I said get. 

That should be good enough for you iceholes.

[ice grillin you]

Article says NO wouldn't outright part ways with Payton but that NO might be open to trading him for a 2nd rounder. Do you make that trade? I know they don't have a second this season so it would have to be a future pick.

fwiw lacanfora just said he thinks its going to be just a mid round pick....probably a 4th

[Eagles_Legendz]

I want Payton. He brings an air of legitimacy to the team that it's missing while not seeming like the retread a Billick or someone would be.  He was good as a coordinator before New Orleans too.

[SunMo]

I think I want Peyton too but I don't think he'll want to come here.  In fact, I think while they continue to have this FO structure in place it will be hard to get any established coach.  They are gonna have to go with coordinators and hope they pick the right one.

[Rome]

A top candidate is gonna want what Kelly had.  And why wouldn't he?  It's all about ego for these guys especially the guys in their early 50's who've had success elsewhere. 

Sunny is right.  It's gonna be an up and coming coordinator.   Too bad Lurie can't ditch his mongrel adoptive offspring and hire a legit football guy. 

[ice grillin you]

I think I want Peyton too but I don't think he'll want to come here.  In fact, I think while they continue to have this FO structure in place it will be hard to get any established coach.  They are gonna have to go with coordinators and hope they pick the right one.

i disagree with that if you are looking at someone like payton and he wants player control...because the eagles gave themselves an out by lurie saying its a collaborative system...meaning no real head of power

if they had say hired a gm who was going to have full control/final say and who was going to hire his own coach then payton (or anyone who wanted PP control) would be a non starter...but all they did was sorta kinda say that howie is the gm now but will work in collab with donahoe and whatever young scouting head they hire blah blah blah...it was the furthest thing from a regime switch and sounded much more like a stop gap situation...or like they put together a comittee that was going to work together to hire a new coach but havent decided yet on who or how the football operations front will be run

so i think the real question here is how do people feel about the eagles hiring another coach who has PP control...because i dont think its off the table that they would do that

do you want a situation where you have a team of say: howie, a maryowitz/heckert type, gase making the PP decisions or do you want a single guy at the top of the pyramid making decisions and have payton at the top and an assistant like you had with andy/heckert/howie or  chip/maryowitz

[ice grillin you]

just saw ben mcadoo's name dropped

J is ALL THE farg IN....dook is from homer city, pa

[PhillyPhreak54]

BigEd beat you on McAdoo, homie...I already said NO