Sam Bradford, Philadelphia Eagle

[PhillyPhreak54]

phreak has reached that internet argument point where he's so locked into a position that he's going to die with it.  no other explanation for his irrational bradford bashing.

Nope.

Unlike some others around here...I don't argue just for the sake of it.

I mean...I wasn't a fan of the trade in the first place. He gets pumped up as this overly accurate dude and yeah sure he's not getting much help from his WRs but he's not even throwing down the field to them. He's looking to dump it or go short right away.

[SunMo]

and Mark Sanchez is Dan Fouts all of the sudden?

[PhillyPhreak54]

No...where did I say he was some HOFer?

I just think he'd run the offense better than Bradford.

[smeags]

Jay, the guy hasn't played in two years basically and the first two games here he the oline plays like shtein, the wideouts aren't getting seperation, they drop the ball when it does get to them, but you expect 300yrds passing still ?

[Eagles_Legendz]

My biggest issue is he doesn't even look downfield.   And I don't mean 40 yards when I say downfield - more like 20.  3rd and 9 and you have a better than even chance he's throwing it five yards.   That's fine if you have a great OLine and its 3rd and 2 a lot, but with the way this offense is currently constructed it isn't suited to his strengths.

[smeags]

he's shell-shocked. you just hope with better line play that he gets passed that.

[hunt]

No...where did I say he was some HOFer?

I just think he'd run the offense better than Bradford.

to what end?  what does starting sanchez this season accomplish?  8-8?  9-7 at very best.  then what?

[Zanshin]

It's not like Sanchez comes with a new o-line, or he magically makes the receivers learn how to catch.

[smeags]

j, what from last season, when sanchez had the luxury of having a good oline and wr's that actually got open and caught the ball, makes you think he'd do better this season ?

mind you, sanchez didn't impress anyone last year.

[General_Failure]

My biggest issue is he doesn't even look downfield.   And I don't mean 40 yards when I say downfield - more like 20.  3rd and 9 and you have a better than even chance he's throwing it five yards.   That's fine if you have a great OLine and its 3rd and 2 a lot, but with the way this offense is currently constructed it isn't suited to his strengths.

The offense is suited to the skills of Donnie Jones and no one else.

[SunMo]

My biggest issue is he doesn't even look downfield.   And I don't mean 40 yards when I say downfield - more like 20.  3rd and 9 and you have a better than even chance he's throwing it five yards.   That's fine if you have a great OLine and its 3rd and 2 a lot, but with the way this offense is currently constructed it isn't suited to his strengths.

i agree with this.  they used to be a team that loved the 4 verticals and hitting the seam routes.  now that's against zone and i think because the receivers are so bad that teams are manning up and focusing on the run so those routes aren't available but against man you should be able to run 15 yard crossing routes

[PhillyPhreak54]

My biggest issue is he doesn't even look downfield.   And I don't mean 40 yards when I say downfield - more like 20.  3rd and 9 and you have a better than even chance he's throwing it five yards.   That's fine if you have a great OLine and its 3rd and 2 a lot, but with the way this offense is currently constructed it isn't suited to his strengths.

i agree with this.  they used to be a team that loved the 4 verticals and hitting the seam routes.  now that's against zone and i think because the receivers are so bad that teams are manning up and focusing on the run so those routes aren't available but against man you should be able to run 15 yard crossing routes

Yes that is one of my biggest beefs as well. He's not going through his "deep to short" progressions. And in "man" he should be taking shots down the field but he's immediately looking for some shorter routes.

And I believe Sanchez' ability to run the read option and the fact he's a bit more mobile helps them.

Is Bradford going to magically turn into a legit QB? I just don't see it. Yeah they (stupidly) gave up a 2 for him but he's not signed beyond this year and they have no future obligations to him. If he's not going to push the ball down the field AND be accurate with his short routes then what exactly is the point of him playing? Anyone?

[ice grillin you]

i see throws like that wheel route throw that fell into Sproles' hands like a pillow and he drops it and that makes me think he can be the guy.  foles can't make that throw, neither can sanchez.

i just think he's not getting any help from the wideouts.  has every throw been great?  of course not but holy shtein their wr can't catch the ball.

the problem so far has been that in between his nice throws is 15 balls behind the wr or in the turf....bradford deserves his fair share of blame hes been terrible...but at least you can still excuse it as rust and learning the system...sanchez sucks balls with no chance of ever getting better

phreak has reached that internet argument point where he's so locked into a position that he's going to die with it.  no other explanation for his irrational bradford bashing.

He's looking to dump it or go short right away.

no one on the team can get down field....there is zero speed at the position...i said it last week leading up to the jets game their entire big play offense right now is predicated on exploiting linebackers on backs...and that was pretty much it yesterday....mathews catch and the sproles wheel route that should have been a td but was horribly thrown were the big plays...no one pass catcher on this team can come even close to consistently beating his defender down the field...occasionally youll see guys who were schemed to get open via play design but its almost always an intermediate  crossing route of some type....the one thing that bradford is doing right now to kill the team is not making passes that allow for YAC...thats where they can get some bigger plays....but as far as throwing the ball deep...there just isnt going to be much of that with the skill players chip has put together...that said he needs to run a go route or two just to keep people honest...they dont even pretend that they have a chance to go deep

also you are confusing people saying that hes awesome or something...no one is doing that...all anyone is saying that its absolutely ludicrous to talk of benching him for mark sanchez after 12 quarters...the reason the eagles overpaid for a back up qb is because of bradfords knees not to give up foles and picks to bench him for sanchez 180 minutes into the season...i cant believe you actually think that is something that should happen

[smeags]

jay, you're way off on this one bro.

[ice grillin you]

My biggest issue is he doesn't even look downfield.   And I don't mean 40 yards when I say downfield - more like 20.  3rd and 9 and you have a better than even chance he's throwing it five yards.   That's fine if you have a great OLine and its 3rd and 2 a lot, but with the way this offense is currently constructed it isn't suited to his strengths.

i agree with this.  they used to be a team that loved the 4 verticals and hitting the seam routes.  now that's against zone and i think because the receivers are so bad that teams are manning up and focusing on the run so those routes aren't available but against man you should be able to run 15 yard crossing routes

Yes that is one of my biggest beefs as well. He's not going through his "deep to short" progressions. And in "man" he should be taking shots down the field but he's immediately looking for some shorter routes.

there are no shots down the field....i havent watched the coaches film for the jets yet but i did the first two weeks and rarely do they even have guy running deep routes downfield....its like huff on a comeback.....kkk on a dig and matthews on a cross every play...kkk has run a few ups but hes always blanketed...again bradford need to be more accurate thats on him....but not going deep is chip the gm and coach