Marcus Mariota Watch

[SD]

can't be giving up all the star players from that awesome defense...just to get a qb.


wait.... 

The front 7 was pretty good, they played the run well and got to the passer, the defensive backfield was a mess. It's not just giving up those players, you'd have to find a replacement for Cox. Kendricks replacement is already here and Curry really isn't a fit. Taking that into consideration you also sacrifice draft picks to fill holes at positions like Safety, CB, OL, WR.

yeah, they'd have to replace cox.  kendricks & curry...you mentioned as not really fitting or already being replaced...so what are you really give up there?
address s, cb, ol, wr in the remainder of the draft.  it's not like they'd be trading EVERY pick to move up. doubt any of this happens...but losing a few def guys isn't the end of the world.  other than cox, they're as good as gone already.

Assuming they're not giving up their second you're talking about 4 positions of need with picks in round 2-7...not exactly ammo to improve all of those positions. The trade happens and they're most likely out next years first too meaning you don't have a 1st or 2nd next season to fill those needs either.

[General_Failure]

Here's the thing that's splitting people: Do you think Mariota is a can't-miss franchise QB?

The quarterbacks Chip Kelly has wanted so far have been Mark Sanchez, Sam Bradford, and Tim Tebow. If Mariota is the guy Chip wants, then I'm just going to assume he'll be the second biggest bust ever.

[ice grillin you]

can't be giving up all the star players from that awesome defense...just to get a qb.


wait.... 

The front 7 was pretty good, they played the run well and got to the passer, the defensive backfield was a mess. It's not just giving up those players, you'd have to find a replacement for Cox. Kendricks replacement is already here and Curry really isn't a fit. Taking that into consideration you also sacrifice draft picks to fill holes at positions like Safety, CB, OL, WR.

yeah, they'd have to replace cox.  kendricks & curry...you mentioned as not really fitting or already being replaced...so what are you really give up there?
address s, cb, ol, wr in the remainder of the draft.  it's not like they'd be trading EVERY pick to move up. doubt any of this happens...but losing a few def guys isn't the end of the world.  other than cox, they're as good as gone already.

Assuming they're not giving up their second you're talking about 4 positions of need with picks in round 2-7...not exactly ammo to improve all of those positions. The trade happens and they're most likely out next years first too meaning you don't have a 1st or 2nd next season to fill those needs either.

and thats 4 positions of need in the starting lineup....you need the draft picks for depth too...with kendricks gone you are counting on a guy in his 30's with an achillies tear to take over...and holy farg look at the LB depth on this team (not to mention OL and S)...its frightening.....when you short yourself on draft picks you are shorting your whole roster not just needs in the top 22...this is what chip is talking about when he says they wont mortgage their future

[hunt]

can't be giving up all the star players from that awesome defense...just to get a qb.


wait.... 

The front 7 was pretty good, they played the run well and got to the passer, the defensive backfield was a mess. It's not just giving up those players, you'd have to find a replacement for Cox. Kendricks replacement is already here and Curry really isn't a fit. Taking that into consideration you also sacrifice draft picks to fill holes at positions like Safety, CB, OL, WR.

yeah, they'd have to replace cox.  kendricks & curry...you mentioned as not really fitting or already being replaced...so what are you really give up there?
address s, cb, ol, wr in the remainder of the draft.  it's not like they'd be trading EVERY pick to move up. doubt any of this happens...but losing a few def guys isn't the end of the world.  other than cox, they're as good as gone already.

Assuming they're not giving up their second you're talking about 4 positions of need with picks in round 2-7...not exactly ammo to improve all of those positions. The trade happens and they're most likely out next years first too meaning you don't have a 1st or 2nd next season to fill those needs either.

agreed that it's a huge gamble.  need a plan to address those other needs if you go all in on mariota.  i'm sure chip knows that.

[PhillyPhreak54]

can't be giving up all the star players from that awesome defense...just to get a qb.


wait.... 

The front 7 was pretty good, they played the run well and got to the passer, the defensive backfield was a mess. It's not just giving up those players, you'd have to find a replacement for Cox. Kendricks replacement is already here and Curry really isn't a fit. Taking that into consideration you also sacrifice draft picks to fill holes at positions like Safety, CB, OL, WR.

yeah, they'd have to replace cox.  kendricks & curry...you mentioned as not really fitting or already being replaced...so what are you really give up there?
address s, cb, ol, wr in the remainder of the draft.  it's not like they'd be trading EVERY pick to move up. doubt any of this happens...but losing a few def guys isn't the end of the world.  other than cox, they're as good as gone already.

Assuming they're not giving up their second you're talking about 4 positions of need with picks in round 2-7...not exactly ammo to improve all of those positions. The trade happens and they're most likely out next years first too meaning you don't have a 1st or 2nd next season to fill those needs either.

and thats 4 positions of need in the starting lineup....you need the draft picks for depth too...with kendricks gone you are counting on a guy in his 30's with an achillies tear to take over...and holy farg look at the LB depth on this team (not to mention OL and S)...its frightening.....when you short yourself on draft picks you are shorting your whole roster not just needs in the top 22...this is what chip is talking about when he says they wont mortgage their future

Yep.

I sure as hell hope he wasn't posturing with the not mortgaging the future shtein. Because if they did this deal then he's blown it up not mortgaged it

[SunMo]

i hope he gets him just to see all you dopes cry about it

[hunt]

i hope he gets him just to see all you dopes cry about it

i'm not worried about trading away all those draft picks that turn into marcus smith & josh huff types.

[SD]

Trying to get into their thinking: this year is Mariota's first year so they know they aren't winning shtein with a rookie qb. You shed Bradford/Cox/Kendrick (what it would take to re-sign all 3...lets just say $30 million)...you shed other contracts like Celek/Ryan's/Mathis and suddenly have enough cap space to fill holes. That's playing with fire but I can't see how else they're filling the other holes. Safety is my biggest concern...right now it's Jenkins and Wolff who can't stay healthy. They have nothing beyond that except a 4th round hybrid who hasn't shown much

[ice grillin you]

can't be giving up all the star players from that awesome defense...just to get a qb.


wait.... 

The front 7 was pretty good, they played the run well and got to the passer, the defensive backfield was a mess. It's not just giving up those players, you'd have to find a replacement for Cox. Kendricks replacement is already here and Curry really isn't a fit. Taking that into consideration you also sacrifice draft picks to fill holes at positions like Safety, CB, OL, WR.

yeah, they'd have to replace cox.  kendricks & curry...you mentioned as not really fitting or already being replaced...so what are you really give up there?
address s, cb, ol, wr in the remainder of the draft.  it's not like they'd be trading EVERY pick to move up. doubt any of this happens...but losing a few def guys isn't the end of the world.  other than cox, they're as good as gone already.

Assuming they're not giving up their second you're talking about 4 positions of need with picks in round 2-7...not exactly ammo to improve all of those positions. The trade happens and they're most likely out next years first too meaning you don't have a 1st or 2nd next season to fill those needs either.

and thats 4 positions of need in the starting lineup....you need the draft picks for depth too...with kendricks gone you are counting on a guy in his 30's with an achillies tear to take over...and holy farg look at the LB depth on this team (not to mention OL and S)...its frightening.....when you short yourself on draft picks you are shorting your whole roster not just needs in the top 22...this is what chip is talking about when he says they wont mortgage their future

Yep.

I sure as hell hope he wasn't posturing with the not mortgaging the future shtein. Because if they did this deal then he's blown it up not mortgaged it

he wasnt posturing....he has to actually call other teams and tell them what hes willing to give up to get a player so they already know if hes willing to mortgage the future or not...him saying he wont mortgage the future at a presser doesnt mean shtein to other teams...i honestly believe hes maybe more tired than i am at the idiotic mm bullshtein

he cant get from 20 to 2...its impossible....and no team is dropping from 2 to 20 when a qb is there...so you dont need to worry about it

i suppose there is a 3% chance he traded twice to move up

[PhillyPhreak54]

What is funnier?

People freaking out because the team gets worse or the team getting worse?

[SunMo]

definitely people freaking out because they think the team got worse

[PhillyPhreak54]

So you're saying that IF (gotta clarify that IF part) they did this deal(s) and Cox/Kendricks/Boykin/two #1's are sent away then the Eagles haven't gotten worse?

[ice grillin you]

Trying to get into their thinking: this year is Mariota's first year so they know they aren't winning shtein with a rookie qb. You shed Bradford/Cox/Kendrick (what it would take to re-sign all 3...lets just say $30 million)...you shed other contracts like Celek/Ryan's/Mathis and suddenly have enough cap space to fill holes. That's playing with fire but I can't see how else they're filling the other holes. Safety is my biggest concern...right now it's Jenkins and Wolff who can't stay healthy. They have nothing beyond that except a 4th round hybrid who hasn't shown much

shtein even jenkins is a hybrid....hes not a very good safety especially over the top....hes more a safety that is a good dime cb

they need a centerfielder so bad that can cover

[SunMo]

in the short term?  of course.

i'll take a little pain short term to get a franchise qb

[hunt]

in the short term?  of course.

i'll take a little pain short term to get a franchise qb

beat me to it.
going with a rookie qb means you're looking 2-3 years ahead anyway.  use that time to fill other holes.
it's not like they're sb contenders this year or next w/o doing the trade.