Marcus Mariota Watch

[SunMo]

man, where would they ever find another D-lineman if they traded their best one for a franchise quarterback? 

[Zanshin]

I'll stick with what I've said all along. If he miraculously falls, I get taking him.

But to give up anywhere close what it would take to get to #2 just isn't smart. No matter how you cut it, he's a gamble-- QBs are almost always a gamble in the first. Factor in the compensation to get him and not only is he a gamble, but the pressure to be awesome would be off the charts. Even if he was pretty good, he'd be a major disappointment in that scenario. And he'd have to prove how awesome he is without the benefit of a defense or major draft picks in the coming years.

That's a zesty proposition.

[hunt]

can't be giving up all the star players from that awesome defense...just to get a qb.


wait.... 

[ice grillin you]

taking made up trades that arent going to happen in the first place then changing them to be exactly how you want them to be so that they become better for your favorite team is awesome

[Zanshin]

Here's the thing that's splitting people: Do you think Mariota is a can't-miss franchise QB?

To me the answer is maybe, at best. Now, if you own the #2 spot and want to take a chance to find out, it makes sense. But giving up the farm to find out is just farging stupid.

I can easily see Mariota as a decent, but not great, QB. That's what it's about. To go get the guy, you have to 100% believe he will be a super bowl winning hall of famer. I don't think that's a slam dunk at all.

[SD]

can't be giving up all the star players from that awesome defense...just to get a qb.


wait.... 

The front 7 was pretty good, they played the run well and got to the passer, the defensive backfield was a mess. It's not just giving up those players, you'd have to find a replacement for Cox. Kendricks replacement is already here and Curry really isn't a fit. Taking that into consideration you also sacrifice draft picks to fill holes at positions like Safety, CB, OL, WR.

[smeags]

Here's the thing that's splitting people: Do you think Mariota is a can't-miss franchise QB?

To me the answer is maybe, at best. Now, if you own the #2 spot and want to take a chance to find out, it makes sense. But giving up the farm to find out is just farging stupid.

I can easily see Mariota as a decent, but not great, QB. That's what it's about. To go get the guy, you have to 100% believe he will be a super bowl winning hall of famer. I don't think that's a slam dunk at all.

chip does though and he is going to try and get him. i dont see it happening but theres no doubt he is pushing hard to get "his guy"

i wouldnt do it for the obvious reasons, way too many holes on this roster as it is.

[ice grillin you]

The front 7 was pretty good, they played the run well and got to the passer, the defensive backfield was a mess. Taking that into consideration you also sacrifice draft picks to fill holes at positions like Safety, CB, OL, WR.

exactly....if they were able to shore up their secondary the defense has sick potential...also chip has already come out and said that hes not mortgaging the future with picks....which is one of the many reasons a trade to 2 was never going to happen

i hope when this is all over he comes out and tells people what idiots they were....i also hope that hes having meetings right now with all the players invloved in trade rumors and telling them its bullshtein....its one thing to have the theory that no one is untouchable...but in practice you cant run a farging franchise by having every player on the active trading block at every second...it farging will kill the locker room...some players are already salty with all the talent they have gotten rid of...now three of their top four defensive players are supposedly on the block?

Here's the thing that's splitting people: Do you think Mariota is a can't-miss franchise QB?

To me the answer is maybe, at best. Now, if you own the #2 spot and want to take a chance to find out, it makes sense. But giving up the farm to find out is just farging stupid.

I can easily see Mariota as a decent, but not great, QB. That's what it's about. To go get the guy, you have to 100% believe he will be a super bowl winning hall of famer. I don't think that's a slam dunk at all.

if you had to go all or nothing in his grade....he has much more flop potential than franchise potential...and its not that close

[Zanshin]

I actually agree completely. But the bottom line no one can look at him objectively and think "oh, yeah...can't possibly miss."

[hunt]

chip can

[hunt]

can't be giving up all the star players from that awesome defense...just to get a qb.


wait.... 

The front 7 was pretty good, they played the run well and got to the passer, the defensive backfield was a mess. It's not just giving up those players, you'd have to find a replacement for Cox. Kendricks replacement is already here and Curry really isn't a fit. Taking that into consideration you also sacrifice draft picks to fill holes at positions like Safety, CB, OL, WR.

yeah, they'd have to replace cox.  kendricks & curry...you mentioned as not really fitting or already being replaced...so what are you really give up there?
address s, cb, ol, wr in the remainder of the draft.  it's not like they'd be trading EVERY pick to move up.

doubt any of this happens...but losing a few def guys isn't the end of the world.  other than cox, they're as good as gone already.   

[Zanshin]

I said "objectively." He's not objective, obviously.

[smeags]

thats be proven beyond a doubt in his first two years.

[hunt]

I said "objectively." He's not objective, obviously.

i get that.  but he's also the only person whose opinion matters.   

[Zanshin]

Well, in terms of moving heaven and earth going to get him, sure. In terms of how people react to that kind of stupidity, not so much. That said, I'll believe it when I see it. I'm still hoping it's all bullshtein. Let Cleveland mortgage the future. Then we can pick Mariota up in a couple of years for a bag of peanuts after he flails around there.