Marcus Mariota Watch

[Zanshin]

It doesn't take one guy to win Super Bowls, though. It takes a team of talented dudes. If you trade multiple talented dudes and replace them with scrubs in order to get a possibly talented dude, that's not a net win at all.

the point is you can easily replace the other dudes.  teams spend years, decades even trying to find a quarterback.  if you truly think that Mariota is the one guy for you and the guy that will take you there, then you do the deal.  fletcher cox is a great player, but he's not someone you can't replace.

Two things there, though. One, I don't think those guys are that easily replaced, or we'd have more of those kinds of guys. Two, Mariota isn't a slam dunk. That's the problem for me. I get it if people see him as a can't-miss franchise QB. I'm just not sold on that being the case. Not saying he won't be good. I'm just saying I could just as easily see him being an average NFL starter.

[Zanshin]

Also, with the current anemic receiver situation, the defense better be good. Getting rid of your arguably two best players wouldn't help.

[ice grillin you]

Different strokes for different coach. Mariota is more valuable to the Eagles because of the offense they run.

im not even talking about the eagles....theres no chance they trade to two for him and there never was

as ive said for a while now....and what romey just said.....mariota just aint that good...in a good qb draft the eagles might have a shot at him even at 20.....i could see an arron rodgers type drop for him....but its a hideous qb draft so his value is artifically inflated

[smeags]

i'm not a fan of trading up for this kid. it will cost too much. i know he fit in chip's system perfectly in college but will he fit in the nfl ?

[Rome]

If Mariota fell all the way to 20, I'd probably still have to pause on him.  He's not terribly accurate, he's never played in a legit pro system and there's something about the way he carries himself in interviews that causes me concern.  Again, obviously a smart kid with potential but not nearly enough for me as a GM to risk multiple picks and proven veterans on. 

[ice grillin you]

i'm not a fan of trading up for this kid. it will cost too much. i know he fit in chip's system perfectly in college but will he fit in the nfl ?

where he fits in chips offense is that he can run...so he would bring the read option into play...and dont get me wrong thats farging huge...but other than that aspect of it you still need to be able to read defenses which is something mariota has never had to do and you need to make nfl throws...mm certainly has the ability to do that but has never been asked  to do it so theres questions of if he will be able to at an elite level

[SD]

Different strokes for different coach. Mariota is more valuable to the Eagles because of the offense they run.

im not even talking about the eagles....theres no chance they trade to two for him and there never was

as ive said for a while now....and what romey just said.....mariota just aint that good...in a good qb draft the eagles might have a shot at him even at 20.....i could see an arron rodgers type drop for him....but its a hideous qb draft so his value is artifically inflated

It's a hideous QB draft yet this?

fwiw in the last six drafts mchsay gives winston his second highest grade of any qb...behind only luck of course who got the highest grade you can get...mariota didnt make his top 5...of course this is on the field only...it doesnt take into account winston's knucklehead factor

A lot of draft folks don't understand how Winston is rated ahead of Mariota. There are a few other QBs who could go in the first two rounds. Wouldn't exactly call it a hideous QB draft. It's not 2012 but it's definitely above average.

[ice grillin you]

im not saying they arent out there but i have yet to see one draft head rate mm higher....i have seen a couple of people say they wouldnt take winston because of his off the field stuff...but the vast consesnsus is that winston is clearly a better qb prospect

and one highly rated qb does not make a good qb draft...trust me its a really really bad class

[smeags]

i agree i'm not sold on whether MM will learn to read nfl defenses, i also wonder how well he will stand up to the hitting at this level if he does end up here.

[PhillyPhreak54]

I agree on it taking a long time to find a QB...Buffalo and Miami have been searching for years to replace their all pro guys.

and yet mariota from the start has been the block being auctioned to the highest bidder by a team whose qb is zach mettenberger.....

think about it

That could mean something but more than likely it is the fact that he's pigeonholed as a spread/shot gun guy and not a fit in Tenny's offense. Plus the Titans know the value in auctioning off the #2 pick and they could get a haul in return which is more valuable than drafting a QB in their mind.

[Don Ho]

Don reminding everyone he lives in paradise.

Std replies as always, gents...

I did say it was cloudy and raining.

[Don Ho]

im not even talking about the eagles....theres no chance they trade to two for him and there never was

as ive said for a while now....and what romey just said.....mariota just aint that good...in a good qb draft the eagles might have a shot at him even at 20.....i could see an arron rodgers type drop for him....but its a hideous qb draft so his value is artifically inflated

Yep, I could see this happen as well.  I don't think Titans are as high on MM as is being reported.  Only team I see in the top 10 who has a real interest is the Rams, maybe Bears.  Titans would be idiots if they don't take the USC DT Williams.  shtein, Williams should be #1 overall.  Fowler is another can't miss player.  He is going to dominate at the next level.

[smeags]

Don reminding everyone he lives in paradise.

Std replies as always, gents...

I did say it was cloudy and raining.

A raining day there is still better then most sunny days here.

So .... You know. herpes

[Eagaholic]

Just saw MM at the beach down the street body surfing.  He was with his family.  Cloudy, rainy afternoon so the spot was empty.  He didn't look that big and actually looked out of shape.  Than again he was with a bunch of huge Polynesians so that may have skewed things.  shtein, I say Birds draft his father.  Dude looks like he could kick some serious ass.

I'd like to see what he and Chip could do at the NFL level. I hope you punched him then filed a police report it was because he tried to rape you.

[PhillyPhreak54]

lol