Marcus Mariota Watch

[SD]

The more I watch film and hear experts on Winston the more I'm out on him. I'd be 100% out on Mariota too but I'd like to see where the story goes with the Chip factor involved.

[Zanshin]

The problem is, you can't take what they'd give up out of the equation. If he magically dropped to them and they took him, I'd completely get it and wouldn't balk at the decision. Giving up anything seriously of significance is a totally different story to me.

[PhillyPhreak54]

I'd take Mariota if the compensation wasn't an issue.

But it is.

The reported deal of Bradford to CLE for 19 and then 19 + 20 + Kendricks + Cox would infuriate me

[SunMo]

the question about compensation doesn't really have to do with the players you're giving up but the reason you are giving them up.  if you believe in Chip and you believe that if he gets his guy that the super bowls will follow, there is no cost too high.  if you don't think that then you don't do it

[SD]

I'd take Mariota if the compensation wasn't an issue.

But it is.

The reported deal of Bradford to CLE for 19 and then 19 + 20 + Kendricks + Cox would infuriate me

What if they took Cox out of the equation, added Curry and maybe a 3rd round pick...would that be tolerable. Cox is the only untouchable to me

[Zanshin]

It doesn't take one guy to win Super Bowls, though. It takes a team of talented dudes. If you trade multiple talented dudes and replace them with scrubs in order to get a possibly talented dude, that's not a net win at all.

[PhillyPhreak54]

I'd take Mariota if the compensation wasn't an issue.

But it is.

The reported deal of Bradford to CLE for 19 and then 19 + 20 + Kendricks + Cox would infuriate me

What if they took Cox out of the equation, added Curry and maybe a 3rd round pick...would that be tolerable. Cox is the only untouchable to me

No - I would prefer to not take anyone away from the front seven.

[Rome]

Chip released Jaccpot and traded Shady.  There are no untouchables on that team.

And I'd be fine with 19, 20 Cox & Kendricks for say Andrew Luck but neither Famous nor Mariota is in that class.   Not many guys are, obviously, but that sort of deal for either of them isn't the move I'd make.   They need Safety, WR, CB and OL in varying degrees of urgency.   What they have to do is trust the personnel guys they've put in place to start to acquire those guys now.

[SD]

Curry doesn't fit a 3/4. It's actually a waste to have him on this defense because he could be a double digit sack guy in a 4/3.

[ice grillin you]

The more I see and hear Mariota, I'm out.  He seems like a flake to me.  A smart guy, no doubt, and probably a damn good player, but there's something not right about him.   Same goes for Winston, btw.  Love him to death for what he did for the Noles but I'm not sure I'd want to hitch my wagon to either one of the them.

fwiw in the last six drafts mchsay gives winston his second highest grade of any qb...behind only luck of course who got the highest grade you can get...mariota didnt make his top 5...of course this is on the field only...it doesnt take into account winston's knucklehead factor

[SunMo]

It doesn't take one guy to win Super Bowls, though. It takes a team of talented dudes. If you trade multiple talented dudes and replace them with scrubs in order to get a possibly talented dude, that's not a net win at all.

the point is you can easily replace the other dudes.  teams spend years, decades even trying to find a quarterback.  if you truly think that Mariota is the one guy for you and the guy that will take you there, then you do the deal.  fletcher cox is a great player, but he's not someone you can't replace.

[ice grillin you]

Chip released Jaccpot and traded Shady.  There are no untouchables on that team.

And I'd be fine with 19, 20 Cox & Kendricks for say Andrew Luck but neither Famous nor Mariota is in that class.

pretty much this times a billion

[PhillyPhreak54]

I agree on it taking a long time to find a QB...Buffalo and Miami have been searching for years to replace their all pro guys.

Curry is playing fine in a 3-4...is he untouchable? No. Hell no one is really untouchable but in order to move Cox and Kendricks plus draft picks I am going to need a whole lot more.

[ice grillin you]

I agree on it taking a long time to find a QB...Buffalo and Miami have been searching for years to replace their all pro guys.

and yet mariota from the start has been the block being auctioned to the highest bidder by a team whose qb is zach mettenberger.....

think about it

[SD]

It doesn't take one guy to win Super Bowls, though. It takes a team of talented dudes. If you trade multiple talented dudes and replace them with scrubs in order to get a possibly talented dude, that's not a net win at all.

the point is you can easily replace the other dudes.  teams spend years, decades even trying to find a quarterback.  if you truly think that Mariota is the one guy for you and the guy that will take you there, then you do the deal.  fletcher cox is a great player, but he's not someone you can't replace.

This is my line of thinking as well, but I also agree you have to draw the compensation line somewhere.

I agree on it taking a long time to find a QB...Buffalo and Miami have been searching for years to replace their all pro guys.

and yet mariota from the start has been the block being auctioned to the highest bidder by a team whose qb is zach mettenberger.....

think about it

Different strokes for different coach. Mariota is more valuable to the Eagles because of the offense they run. I actually think Bradford would fit well with what Tennessee does, plus Whisenhunt was a fan at one point

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/31/whisenhunt-no-one-stands-out-like-sam-bradford/