Eagles 2014 Draft

[Diomedes]

I can see you just want to hate on Kelly, and that you're talking about completely unknowable things with ludicrous certainty

[ice grillin you]

3-4 OLB were at a premium in this draft - FACT
eagles biggest need was a 3-4 OLB - FACT (well maybe wr)
eagles took a 3-4 OLB way too early - FACT

just because you dont know things doesnt mean they arent facts

i think the funniest thing about the whole smith pick is all the homers and media justifying it by saying that washington was going to take him at 34....this is the same laughing stock washington football franchise that everyone makes fun of yet now the the eagles made a smart pick because they outwitted dan snyder

[PhillyPhreak54]

Not just Washington but ATL loved him at 37 too.

Anyways...Domo with the recap with scouts takes

http://mobile.philly.com/sports/eagles/?wss=/philly/sports/eagles/nfl_draft/&id=259138461

[ice grillin you]

anyone can say other teams loved him...its how you justify taking someone to early...again when you are praising washington for the first time ever....could it be that its because you wanna to defend the eagles?

and honestly i care what some evaluators think but philly.com is not one of them

plus why do you listen to jimmy kempski....watch smith yourself and make your own decision...i can understand if you didnt see him play live in college theres a ton of games out there but i dont get having to use dan snyder or a philly writer who thinks chip is a god to justify a pick when there is shtein tons of film on the guy


and if you trust the scout domo talked to does this sound like a first rounder (or even second) to you?

"I watched him and couldn't fall in love with him, especially not in the first round. He's out of the Trent Cole, Jason Babin mold, which isn't a bad thing. But he's a wide rusher. You don't want him lining up over the tackle and have to have him hold the point [of attack]. You don't want him doing that.

"The best way to use him is to keep him on the move. Put him over a tight end or move him in a gap. Move him upfield. That's his game. His game is movement. It's not power. The Eagles obviously see him as a better fit for their scheme than we did for ours. We just couldn't figure out a position for him.

"He's got a good motor. He's a little stiff in the hips, but can bend the edge. He was overmatched in one-on-ones at the Senior Bowl. He has a huge upside as a rusher, though. He's an above-average athlete. He gives you speed off the corner and is explosive at the point of attack when he's moving."

[SD]

They need a 3/4 edge rusher (my biggest want for the team this offseason ) and they got one. That scouting report is encouraging. They need a young player who can get pressure. Again, yes they took him too high...but it's clear teams had him rated higher than the draftniks did. Also... Washington is laughed at because they give absurd contracts out and make stupid trades like the RG3 trade, I rarely if ever see fans pointing and laughing at their draft selections.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Sounds like a fringe first rounder/second rounder to me

Enough noted potential and on the field production to have him grade out there

[PhillyPhreak54]

And like I said the day of the draft I heard on Sirius NFL radio that day that Smith was seen as a high second round guy. The guy they had on said smith was ATL pick if he was on the board

[Eagaholic]

that Scout writing the piece lost me at "out of the Trent Cole, Jason Babin mold," as if they were the same.

[Eagaholic]

here is some more insight on why Smith is a good pick

Why Marcus Smith is Super


Bob Vetrone Jr.   Daily News Staff WriterMay 11, 2014 3:01 AM

I THOUGHT the staff here at BoopStats would be happy when I woke them yesterday morning and told them the Eagles, late in the first round, had drafted a guy who had thrown for 1,800 yards and 14 touchdowns and ran for another four scores . . . but I guess they just weren't as impressed with Marcus Smith's high school stats as I was.


They also weren't impressed that he went up from 211 pounds in 2010 to 255 pounds for the 2011 fall semester at Louisville after being asked to bulk up for defense. But I can understand not being excited about that . . . I've done that myself three times already this year.

But there were two things that did get our staff excited about the pick.

The selection of Smith (a 6-3 linebacker, defensive end, pass-rushing specialist, former quarterback) doubles the number of Smiths on the Eagles' roster, joining Brad, a veteran wide receiver. And that becomes important when we tell you that each of the Eagles' Super Bowl teams had a Smith on it (Charles in 1981; LJ in 2004)

[smeags]

meh, obviously just another philly beat writter that is too jizzy over kelly to give an honest assessment.

[ice grillin you]

They need a 3/4 edge rusher (my biggest want for the team this offseason ) and they got one.

that would be great except hes not a very good edge rusher....i hope you dont think this is hugh douglas or something...smith was ok in college (had one good year) against that competition but nothing i see in him says to me hes going to be able to beat nfl tackles off the edge on a consistent basis...he just doesnt have good enough athleticism...most of his sacks last year were scheme type sacks...where they overloaded one side and he was free to come off the edge and not have to deal with a tackle....or he was moved around to the free spot or stunted...so to me thats what hes gonna be if he pans out...a semi athletic versatile guy who you can move around in different spots and scheme to get loose...but imo hes not a pure edge rusher in any sense of the description

his absolute best case scenario imo would be to turn into a 3-4 version of carlo emmons...he masters dropping and turning and becomes an all around linebacker that can get to the qb a handful of times a year and also be able to cover people

if you wanted the edge rusher then you wanted them to take dee ford there....but hes not mutli dimensional like smith...he more a demarcus ware straight up get to the qb guy

meh, obviously just another philly beat writter that is too jizzy over kelly to give an honest assessment.

its a humor column....boop isnt a football guy much less a football writer...hes a comedic stats geek

[SD]

Emmons couldn't rush the passer for shtein but he was stout against the run and could shut down TEs...two area Smith needs work on. He's more of a versatile guy who they can utilize to get to the QB. Emmons was a prototypical SAM. They could line Smith up on either side. Davis's defenses don't have defined roles.

[Chameleon]

Iggy,

This board would be boring without your constant assertion that you are right about everything. For that, I thank-you. I love the post draft grading proccess. Lets all give grades, then grade each other's grades. Then grade each others grades of each others grades. Oh man, you gave them a B+? I think it is more of a B-. Wait you say it's a D? Wow harsh analysis, solid insight.

We don't f0cking know who had a good draft and who had a bad one. Iggy, you were just as adament about your opinions of last year's draft. Cool story, wish you were just trolling. Then you could be cool, but you're not so you aren't. Roar.

[ice grillin you]

Wow harsh analysis, solid insight.

We don't f0cking know who had a good draft and who had a bad one.

nice

Emmons couldn't rush the passer for shtein but he was stout against the run and could shut down TEs...two area Smith needs work on. He's more of a versatile guy who they can utilize to get to the QB. Emmons was a prototypical SAM. They could line Smith up on either side. Davis's defenses don't have defined roles.

a 3-4 carlos emmons....dont get me wrong emmons would never have been a great edge rusher just like i dont believe smith ever will be...but in pittsburgh emmons was moved around used to get to the qb AND played in space....once he got to the eagles they took away all his pass rushing responsibilitiess and locked him in at a traditional at the time SAM...emmons in a 3-4 would have been a 6-8 a year sack guy and who also was able to drop and cover....this is what i hope smith becomes

[Sgt PSN]

If Smith can develop into something similar to Carlos Emmons, that'd be fine with me.  The fact that we're talking about Carlos Emmons (7th round) being the ceiling for the 26th pick in the draft still infuriates me though.