2013-14 Phillies Offseason Thread

[PhillyPhreak54]

Sometimes the bunt is the right call. Its all about the feel of the game

[MDS]

no it is not

sometimes hitting on 17 works, but its never the right call*

*unless you are counting, then by all means

[PhillyPhreak54]

I can argue this all night.

[MDS]

your probability of scoring a run decreases by bunting. that is a fact.

for the life of me i dont know why there is a debate

[Rome]

The age-old adage of bunting guys over really is stupid.  You're sacrificing one of 27 outs for nothing more than moving someone up a base when a hit, a walk, or even a HBP does precisely the same thing only without sacrificing an out for a base.   Get motherfargers who can hit and bunting becomes irrelevant.

[MDS]

its not about guys who can hit...its about exchanging an out for 90 feet doesnt increase your odds of scoring. even moving someone to 3rd with less than 2 outs isnt worth it.

just dont bunt. dont do it. its stupid.

[ice grillin you]

the no bunt rule gets blown out of the water every night in baseball...the last timr being the red sox last night...bunting is warranted at times and other times can be dumb...just gotta see the situation and the players involved...but to do that you have to actually know and watch the game....

nerds who have never really watched a game but who just say across the board to never bunt are just laughable...but in the internet age this is what its come to

[Rome]

You should never bunt in the AL.  There's literally no need because you have professional hitters 1-9.  Or at least you should have them.

In the NL I can see it with pitchers, but I've seen guys come in to pinch hit and do nothing but move someone up a base in exchange for an out.  That is galactically stupid.    You get 27 outs.  Don't give them away.

[SunMo]

Bowa is officially back as bench coach
Pete Mackanin is back as 3rd base coach
Steve Henderson is back as hitting coach
Wally Joyner will not be back as assistant hitting coach

[Sgt PSN]

You should never bunt in the AL.  There's literally no need because you have professional hitters 1-9.  Or at least you should have them.

In the NL I can see it with pitchers, but I've seen guys come in to pinch hit and do nothing but move someone up a base in exchange for an out.  That is galactically stupid.    You get 27 outs.  Don't give them away.

This.  The only other time it's kind of ok is if you've got some speedster who can catch the infield off guard and leg one out.  But even then, it's probably something I'd only try late in games on a pitcher who has been dealing. 

[ice grillin you]

again depending on the scenario and who batting...

or when a man is on second with no outs late in a close game

or when you are facing a dominant pitcher and one run is really worth like two

trust me there are or's

to make a blanket statement about bunting is silly....but that's what sabremetrics is....silly

[Sgt PSN]

Agree that there are situations where it makes sense, but it's also horribly misused a lot around the league.  Bunting to move a guy from 1st to 2nd with anyone besides the pitcher is universally stupid, imo.  If you don't trust a position player to either get a hit or draw a walk and move the runner without sacrificing an out, then you probably shouldn't even have him (the batter) in the game to begin with. 

Moving a guy from 2nd to 3rd late in a close game makes total sense since a fly ball still gets the run home. 

[MDS]

perhaps with a pitcher, perhaps if you can guarantee 2 very good players (pedroia, ortiz) will get a crack at swinging the bat with the tying or winning run at 3rd....i can see it.

but again, its not saber nerd stuff. its math. its odds. its probability. and that tells you that bunting is stupid.

you are basically being a science denier here with this. global warming is fake, jesus wouldnt let this happen to us = nerds and their numbers watch the game sports fan macho bla bla bla

[ice grillin you]

i love seamhead analogies

[smeags]

please.

make.

it.

stop.