2012 Eagles Draft Thread - Defense Please

[ice grillin you]

jpp was an athletic freak who wasnt expected to produce for a couple years was a project who seemed disinterested on tape

pop po is an athletic freak who isnt expected to produce for a couple years is a project who doesnt flash on tape

point is talent should trump all...and i wouldnt cross someone off my board who is that talented...which is what it sounded like j was saying

now if you wanna put him third out of cox and brockers i have no problem with that....i like brockers the best actually....but they all are right there

[PhillyPhanInDC]

point is talent should trump all...and i wouldnt cross someone off my board who is that talented...which is what it sounded like j was saying

Agree. Poe's combine results will get him drafted. He did nothing at memphis that should give anyone a glimpse of what could be. JPP's physical ability got him draft where he went. He did plenty in college to give people a glimpse of what he could be though.

[Feva]

now if you wanna put him third out of cox and brockers i have no problem with that....i like brockers the best actually....but they all are right there

Agreed. If I were to rank them in terms of my preference, it would be:

1. Brockers
2. Cox
2a. Poe

Although, I'd be pretty damn happy with any of them to tell you the truth. I like the production that Brockers/Cox bring from the SEC, but I love Poe's potential due to sheer athleticism.

Brockers is already a monster against the run, and if Washburn can get him to develop a pass rush, he'd be the shtein.

[Drunkmasterflex]

I remember the same things were said about Daryl Gardner when he was at Baylor and he ended up having a good pro career.

I agree with Igy in that it is better to take a guy that has crazy potential. I wouldn't do it all the time like he would but I think where the Eagles are right now it makes a ton of sense.

[SD]

The more I read about Cox the more open I am to him being the pick. Poe would still be my #1 choice but if Cox is their guy I could live with that. The only drawback - and this is more in my eyes than it would be the front offices - is he fits their system of quick DTs who can shoot gaps. I'd rather have a beast who collapses the pocket...and more than anything to get rid of the quick/small philosophy on D. Cox is climbing up the draft charts I've seen so I don't even know if he'd drop to the Eagles. Unfortunately it looks like Barron's stock is on the rise as well, I originally had him pegged in the 25-30 range but now it's looking like he might go in the 20-25 range. I doubt they'd trade up for him as it is considering they've taken a safety in the second the last two years but you never know.

[Drunkmasterflex]

My gut feeling on this draft is that it is going to be like the last two, in that the first round will be nothing like we anticipate it to be.

Like last years draft I think the talent has a serious drop after the first 3 rounds hell maybe even two.

[Feva]

Unfortunately it looks like Barron's stock is on the rise as well, I originally had him pegged in the 25-30 range but now it's looking like he might go in the 20-25 range. I doubt they'd trade up for him as it is considering they've taken a safety in the second the last two years but you never know.

I'd be fine with Barron at 15. I don't get into that whole "you could have got him later" stuff. The way I see it, the purpose of the draft is to get players to help the team, not work the draft board as much as you can. Say the Eagles want Barron. They have 15 and 46. If they don't think he'll be there at 46, then take him at 15 instead of trying to get cute and come up with some plan to trade up or down to still get him. I understand the value of accumulating extra picks and all that, but if there's a guy on the board you really want... take him. Don't overcomplicate things.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Yep, I want Barron.

I am not writing Poe off I am just wary of the workout warriors. Mr Mamula is to thank for that.

[SD]

Would you rather have a good DT like Poe/Cox at 15 then trade a 3rd and a 2nd and maybe a later pick to move up and select Barron or would you rather just reach for Barron then have 2 2nd rounders to get lesser talent? I like option A better. And I shouldn't have to remind anyone how awful this team is taking players in the 3rd, I have no problem with them shipping one off to move up.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Problem is Barron will probably be gone before they can get back up.

He may go to Dallas at 14

[Feva]

Why would Barron be a reach? If he's considered a 1st round talent, and the Eagles were to use their 1st round pick on him? He would be whatever player he is for them whether he was drafted 3rd, 15th or 28th overall.

I've got no problem with jumping back in the first to get him, or any other top prospect if the opportunity presented itself. My point is that I think people get too caught up in which part of a round a player goes in...using Barron as an example.

[SD]

Most draft boards I've seen have him going anywhere from pick 20 to falling to the 2nd round. If this draft were rich in safeties he'd be a second round pick. This draft is thin on safeties so he'll probably go higher than expected. Maybe he goes top 15. Dallas needs a safety maybe they take him at 14, he fits their mold of a physical Safety who can play the run but has faults in pass protection. The Jets are a possibility at 16 too I guess. Unless the Eagles have him rated as BPA when their selection comes around I just can't see them selecting a safety with their first round pick, especially since they love taking lineman in the first round. I wouldn't hate him as the pick at 15 but I'd consider it a reach and would rather they target a DT instead.

[ice grillin you]

the following are barrons overall rankings for this draft

scouts inc - 11
nfl post - 15
kiper - 7
mcshay - 14
draftcountdown - 13

somewhere he may be lower but the general consesnus is hes a top 15 overall prospect...things happen due to teams need where players drop and certainly this could happen to barron...but it wouldnt even be close to a reach to take him at 15...he a LEGIT top 15 prospect this year

im not saying it isnt true but could you link the mock drafts that have him going in the second...im legitimately curious to see who they are and if they are well known places...because if theres even a chance of that happening id be all for trading up to get him and still getting the tackle at 15....that would be a dream draft..especially since barron is my number one want at 15...it would be like when they got pimp at 50

[Zanshin]

Not sure if this was posted....

Aaron Wilson of Profootball.scout.com reports Iowa safety and return specialist Jordan Bernstine has conducted private workouts for the Philadelphia Eagles, San Francisco 49ers and the New England Patriots, according to a league source.

He's also scheduled to visit the Oakland Raiders.

Bernstine ran the 40-yard dash in 4.34 and 4.38 seconds at his campus Pro Day workout.
With 29 NFL teams watching, Bernstine also registered a 41-inch vertical leap, a 10-7 broad jump, a 6.75 in the L-drill, an 11-3 in the long shuttle and bench pressed 225 pounds 18 times.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Anyone but Dion Lewis