2012 Eagles Draft Thread - Defense Please

[Don Ho]

I can't even get excited for this top ten pick.  Howie is despicable as a gm.   What was a worse move... Putting an oline coach at dc or putting a contract lawyer as gm...

Yes sir.  As long as ding and dong are around expect the expected.  Another weak & unproductive slew of picks.

[Eagaholic]

i dont think you need to necessarily trade vick....you have to keep him in 2012 because his dead money hit is astronomical if you let him go now...but its much more manageable in 2013

Actually, if the Eagles drafted a qb in the 1st round, say in pick 5-10 and traded Vick, it wouldn't create that much dead money and they would save several million a year overall which = banner boner.

[ice grillin you]

if they trade vick of course there is zero dead money....i was talking about a scenario where they cant trade vick and if thats the case you have to hold on to him until feb/mar 2013

[Eagaholic]

There would still be a few million dead money from his signing bonus, but his contract actually becomes less tradeable after 2012.

[BigEd76]

sitting at #6 right now

NO + JAX wins = #5 pick
DET + JAX wins = coin flip w/ JAX for #5

[ice grillin you]

There would still be a few million dead money from his signing bonus, but his contract actually becomes less tradeable after 2012.

18 mil dead money if cut now

7 mil in 2013

2 mil in 2014

[Eagaholic]

There would still be a few million dead money from his signing bonus, but his contract actually becomes less tradeable after 2012.

18 mil dead money if cut now

7 mil in 2013

2 mil in 2014

The $18 million is if he were cut now, but we were talking if he was traded. Usually guaranteed money is accelerated into to the current year and picked up by a team trading the player, but in this case Vick's base salary is guaranteed in 2012. Since it's base salary, it would travel with the player to the new team. The signing bonus however ($1.4 million per year over 4 remaining years = 5.6 million = "a few million") would accelerate into the Eagle's current year cap though.

I said his contract becomes less tradeable after that because his base salaries then go up to $17 million to $20 million a year after that.

[ice grillin you]

i know what you are saying but base salaries are pretty meaningless in football...in the sense that if you want him for your team whether because you think hes good or because you think he will sell tickets and merch it doesnt matter what his base is...you are gonna take him....

base salary is almost irrelevant in the nfl because how valuable you think the player is to your team trumps whatever his base salary is since you can cut anyone at anytime

let be honest nfl contracts in general are bogus but the only thing that means anything is dead money

[Munson]

So say they do let DeSean walk, and end up picking in the 8-12 range...do they go WR?

[BigEd76]

Unlikely.  Blackmon and Jeffery will likely go top 5, then the next one (Michael Floyd) may not go until the 15-20 range

[Munson]

Well then, hopefully they get pick #5 ED

[BigEd76]

get on the RG3 bandwagon

[Drunkmasterflex]

get on the RG3 bandwagon

Already on it!

[Munson]

I'm not anti-Vick yet. I think he's proven he's somewhere between awful Atlanta-Vick and Super Human Vick that we saw the first few games last year. He's a guy that can tear up a defense when he gets time to throw (Dallas game this year). Worth 100 mil? prob not, but there are a ton of guys like that in the league who are considered good starters. And those guys don't have the threat with their legs that Vick has.


That being said, if they drafted RG3 I certainly won't be upset about it.

[Diomedes]

Well they gotta have someone with a future behind Vick sooner than later.  It ain't Young and it ain't motherfarging Kafka.