Phillies Offseason Thread

[Rome]

Larussa is a farging nimrod. 

[ice grillin you]

I agree with the new manager. They wouldn't fire manual though, not this offseason.

yeah hes definitely finishing out his deal...but they are so complacent and comfortable right now....charlie was ok for this team when they still were self motivated and hungry.....but now they need someone who is their manager not their friend

[MDS]

im not sure what a new manager does, that shtein is really overrated.

what they need are better, younger players. and thats not really possible.

[ice grillin you]

a new manager maybe gets the most out of these guys for one more year and they make a run....shtein larussa somehow does it every year with far less talent...im sure the phillies can find someone to do it for one year...maybe it helps maybe it doesnt but its better than another year with charlie where you know what you are gonna get.....again not gonna happen i only point it out because its the one area of the team they could greatly improve over the winter

[Rome]

Joe Torre was a mediocre manager with mediocre players and a great manager with great players.

[ice grillin you]

pretty sure joe torre is a great manager period

[Rome]

Exactly 1 first-place finish in 14 seasons before he got to the Yankees.

[PhillyPhreak54]

igy's view on managers is interesting to say the least.

Getting rid of Charlie would be dumb and unnecessary.

[MDS]

i wouldnt call that mediocre or great....whats in between. good? alright? solid?

that.

[Sgt PSN]

Since there were only 2 divisions during most of that 14 year period, 1st place finishes were harder to come by, so it's harder to compare division finishes then to now.  However, only 5x did he finish with a record above .500, which in the pre-wild card era was kind of a consolation prize to not winning the division.  It's kind of like judging CBB coaches on tourney appearances.  So 5 seasons above .500 in 14 years is not very good.  He also had 2 seasons where his teams finished below .400 (the 1981 season was still around .390 when you combine both halves).  That's 100 loss territory and good managers don't explore that territory no matter how bad the players are.  Great managers only recognize .300 as a potential batting avg, not winning percentage.   

That's mediocre at best.  I think he's a better manager than that now, but still not great. 

[SD]

My offseason prediction: The Phillies trade Dom Brown + to the Dodgers for Matt Kemp. They sign Kemp to an extension, let Jimmy walk, and sign a veteran replacement. Possibly a guy like Edgar Renteria.

Anyone saying "they can't afford Kemp, if you take into consideration Jimmy will probably get $13 million per season then subtracting him and adding Kemp would only be a difference of $5-7 million per year. The Phillies can afford that.

[Munson]

Depends on how much they give Pence and Hamels. After Pence, Hamels, and Madson....you could be looking at roughly 10-13 mil before they're at their "cap"

[SD]

The Phillies supposed 'cap' is imaginary. Every year it's gone up since 2008. They're not bringing the same team back from last season because that team couldn't get it done to begin with. They'll bring a fresh face in here just like other big budget teams (Yanks/Red Sox) do. They have the fan support which means they have the cash to spend.

[Munson]

I just don't know if Monty and the gang are going to be willing to go over the luxury tax line

[Sgt PSN]

I just don't know if Monty and the gang are going to be willing to go over the luxury tax line

i think they will if they think they can recoup the luxury tax money through profits.