Phillies Offseason Thread

[Sgt PSN]

Realistically I think he probably goes too.  But I'm not gonna believe it until I see it and until then, I'm just going to keep hoping that he and Rube are able to hash it out and come to an agreement that's mutually beneficial. 

Then they can go the opposite route of what you suggested and sign a stop gap LF and either wait for HOF to finally be ready or make a move for a full time player.   

What's the word on Galvis in the minors?  I'm pretty sure I've seen his name pop up here a few times, but I'm also pretty sure I've seen it accompanied by a bunch of lols. 

[SD]

Galvis isn't ready. I think they're going to do something to shake up the lineup. It's beyond stale at this point and aging fast. I think they make a play for Kemp and let Rollins walk. They can't let Rollins walk, replace him with a stop gap SS, then do nothing else. That's not how they operate.

[Sgt PSN]

If the OF that they acquire is Kemp, then watching Jimmy leave would be bitter sweet.  Just about any other scenario where he leaves would simply be bitter. 

I know Galvis isn't ready, otherwise you wouldn't have suggested that they sign a stop gap for 2012.  And Mikey Miss mentioned in the article that 2013 is the target to bring him up.  I know nothing about the dude though other than the fact that he's basically the Phils' top SS prospect and heir apparent to Jimmy's throne.  But like I said, I've seen his name on the board a few times but from the comments others have made about him, it didn't seem like there was a lot of hope in him being a legit ML player.

So what's the scouting report on him?  Does he look legit?   

[PhillyPhreak54]

I'm gonna catch flak for posting this but Mike Miss hits the nail on the head with this Rollins article. I'm as big of a Rollins fan as there is but he's dead on accurate when he talks about his attitude. And I know there are a ton of Phillies fans who are douchebags but I never understood his resentment towards them. Is he too sensitive? I think that's part of the problem. He's definitely not underappreciated and the fans worship him.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20111016_Phillies__Rollins_deluded_on_five-year_contract.html?cmpid=131298144

I still say he's a goner, they trade for an outfielder, then sign a stop gap guy at SS.

All due respect, but I disagree.

Mike seems to front the article on him being vehement on demanding 5yrs or 4yrs and his option. As someone who has to negotiate his radio deals I am sure he knows you never give leverage away. Never. If Jimmy goes out and says publicly that he will accept a hometown discount or says 3yrs is all he wants then he has backed himself into a corner.

If he says "yeah I will take a hometown discount" and then doesn't re-sign and goes somewhere else for 3yrs $36M he becomes a target for anger from people who think he pulled the wool over. But what if the Phils only offered 2yrs $24>  or something like that? The Phils would never let out they lowballed. Jimmy becomes looked at as greedy.

Secondly I don't see the fan resentment angle. Because he said he wouldn't change his game?? I wouldn't either. And its not up to US to decide if he should change. Its the coaches and organization. So when a reporter says why don't you change because we all think you should - whats he supposed to say?

What other issues has he had with the fans? That he said it was too quiet in the stadium? It was.

A few years ago that the fans were front-runners? A generalized statement but lets be honest - alot of front runners have popped up.

And it should be give and take. The fans go on MBs, talk radio and in the stadium and boo the guy when he does his pop ups or hack jobs. They ripped him pre-2007 relentlessly for not being a true leadoff guy.

So if people can dish (fans) then they should be able to take. I like that he jabs back.

[ice grillin you]

his front runner comment was incredibly ahead of its time

and lol at a hometown discount...maybe you do that if the franchise you play for is strapped for cash...but he sees the third largest payroll in the majors and players around him getting huge deals for not having accomplished near what he has in a phils uniform....i wouldnt take a discount either

[PhillyPhreak54]

I didn't say he said that, that he should say that or anything like that.

What I meant was what else is he supposed to say other than he wants maximum years and dollars? He shouldn't say anything else publicly. IF he said something about a hometown discount and then ended up leaving then it would be bad.

[MDS]

jimmy can say and do what he feel

people seem to forget who he be

[Rome]

Where oh where can they find a mid-30's shortstop with diminishing skills and a history of nagging injuries?  Yeah, everywhere.

[Sgt PSN]

Apparently Jayson Werth is trying to recruit Madson for DC. 

[MDS]

drew storen sign and trade plz tx

[PhillyPhreak54]

Or sign Heath Bell.

Better.

[MDS]

and pujols

and trade for ryan braun

and matt kemp

and sign cliff lee

[ice grillin you]

choke and utely have years left on untradable contracts and are essentially done as players

everyone else is old

the system is hurting

no one cares anymore they got their series

they went for it all this year...which was the correct and commendable thign to do..but it didnt work out....and now the downward spiral begins

gonna be pretty ugly watching the braves and nats take over this division for the next half dozen years

farg life

[SD]

choke and utely have years left on untradable contracts and are essentially done as players

everyone else is old

the system is hurting

no one cares anymore they got their series

they went for it all this year...which was the correct and commendable thign to do..but it didnt work out....and now the downward spiral begins

gonna be pretty ugly watching the braves and nats take over this division for the next half dozen years

farg life

You've been singing this same song and dance since 2009. They'll make the playoffs next season (I got a $50 spot on it if you're in) then after that who knows what happens. Nobody thought the Giants would win it last season and nobody saw the Cards winning it this season. Truth is they have just as good of a shot to win it all next season as they did this season.

[ice grillin you]

they could make the playoffs next year but no chance they are better than this year....everyone gets a year older...doesnt mean the whole team will at once but its pretty damn close to it...GRIT is basically done with his knee as is choke...not because of injury but just because hes getting older and his numbers go down with each and every year....the injury only makes this happen at a much faster and steeper pace...their offense was a joke this year....next year its going to be a trainwreck

lets say lee is still good next year but halladay takes a big step backwards as hes bound to do...or vice versa maybe phifer starts to fall off...chooch is completely done he will get exponentially worse next year...polanco done...brandead just doesnt care anymore and hes not that good to begin with....jimmy probably gone but even if not age is fading him...the bullpen will be filled with kids

you also have a manager who is getting tuned out....yeah hes still liked but no one cares about winning for him and certainly dont listen to him anymore...and really thats all he had to begin with as he is not good strategically

but i guess HOF could become josh hamilton and everyone else will miraculously get younger and healthier...but i dont see that happening...all you need to know about this team is that resinging raoul ibanez is an actual consideration right now

will they be third behind the nats and braves NEXT year....probably not...they will still beat up on weak teams in the regular season and get their wins probably....but theres easily as much chance of them coming in third in the division as there is them winning a playoff series

2011 was THE year...that was the peak...except a blizzard came and wiped out half the climbers and the rest had to turn around before reaching the top.....the descent down the mountain now begins...the only question is how quickly does it happen