2011 College Football Thread

MDS · May 31, 2011, 04:57:35 PM

Quote from: SunMo on May 31, 2011, 04:05:40 PM
i know it's hip to be on the "pay the atheletes" bandwagon. while it's fine to want to pay football and basketball players because their sports bring in millions, where are you getting the money to pay the farging girl's softball team?

dont

title ix is outdated and its served its purpose.

the conferences banding together to remove themselves from the ncaas shackles and getting their on tv deals turned cfb and cbb into big money operations. its disgusting how much cash is changing hands among various middle aged white dudes while kids (mostly poor and mostly black) put their bodies on their line. then, at the end of the day, they dont see a dime.

the ncaa was all well in good in 1960 when there wasnt any mass recruiting. everyone stuck to their areas. little to no tv exposure. college was a community and state thing. now its too big and winning is too important.

game needs to change NOW. revolution time.

rjs246 · May 31, 2011, 05:05:11 PM

Free education IS paying the athletes. I agree that pay to play shtein is overblown and that some of the pretense should be stripped if we're really going to talk about what's fair, but to act like scholarship athletes aren't getting something of serious monetary value out of the deal is farging stupid. Stop being stupid, stupid.

MDS · May 31, 2011, 05:15:10 PM

a lot of the guys coming in, and were talking football and basketball here, dont have the ability to handle a college eduction and college curriculum. they either were never educated enough in their local schools or are simply too immature and too stupid to process everything.

a lot of the times its on the system, sometimes its of their own doing. but when its on the system, where they are told by every single solitary human being they know that they are destined for the nfl or nba and big money, then when they get to lsu or unc or whatever they quickly find out there are a lot of people better than them. then what? can they just shrug that off, get their degree and go into another line of work?

no. they cant. they dont have the ability because they were never taught how. so they either transfer somewhere else where they can play or stay and never play or just quit. either way they finish playing and are cast off back to their hometowns with their dick in their hands and no useful or tangible talents to contribute to society.

but guess what. you watched them on tv. you paid to go to their games. their bosses got money. school got money. coach got paid. president and ceo of the bowl games got his cut. and what did you get? a bunch of classes that meant nothing to you that you knew didnt matter? sounds like a fair deal.

meanwhile, even if you think the college education alone is a fair deal, a lot of these kids are farging poor as hell. how they hell are they supposed to get walk around money? not even buy a handle and some pot walk around money, but let me take this girl out or let me go buy some snacks or a microwave kind of money. on scholarship they get 3 meals a day from the school. man people get hungrier than that sometimes. sometimes they dont want to eat at the school. maybe they want to go to macdonalds or a nice joint in the city. but they dont have time for a job because they need to learn their playbook and get in the gym so the team can go 12-0 and everyone else can get paid but them.

rjs246 · May 31, 2011, 05:29:24 PM

I'm not arguing that these kids are well prepared to utilize what they are given, but they aren't prepared to utilize money either. If you're argument is that the system failed them and their education is useless, I tend to agree. But you also have to concede that money is useless to a person who is utterly uneducated on how to properly live on it. The players are getting something of real value something that others would give a lot to have, period. In that manner they are paid. Just like they are paid in actual currency in the NBA (or wherever). The tragedy isn't that they don't get paid in college. The tragedy is that they ARE paid and aren't given the tools to take advantage because the system doesn't care about making them successful human beings.

Rome · May 31, 2011, 05:33:20 PM

i wish someone would have given me a 100,000 dollar education for putting a ball through a hoop.

farging clowns.

MDS · May 31, 2011, 05:33:28 PM

obviously that is true, too

but we cant really sit there and say "well, if we pay them, theyll just go out and waste it on crap so we might as well not pay them anyway."

in many cases, yes. if you pay some idiot athlete even something like $200 a week on top of his scholarship first thing hes gonna do is go buy a car and a house for ma dooks. shtein he cant really afford but hell figure its just the start before the real cash comes in 2-3 years.

they are a part of a giant money making operation. they should get a fair cut. what they do with it we really have no control over. hopefully they are properly educated in how to spend it but they were never properly educated in the first place so what the farg difference would it make.

MDS · May 31, 2011, 05:36:10 PM

Quote from: Rome on May 31, 2011, 05:33:20 PM
i wish someone would have given me a 100,000 dollar education for putting a ball through a hoop.

farging clowns.

this is essence of ignorance and why the ncaa cant be beaten

you and your kids would know what to do with that kind of education. idiot poor people do not. they cant just be taught on the drop of a hat. they cant process the information because they are stupid, poor, uncultured and uneducated. the system that allows them to be like this obviously goes beyond sports but this is how our society operates.

it cant change overnight but we can at least make some strides inbetween.

rjs246 · May 31, 2011, 05:51:55 PM

Todd, they are already being paid. They're being paid in a currency that has long term value rather than immediate value but they are being paid. You're so close to being right for once but you're refusing to acknowledge a very salient point which is not surprising but horribly irritating.

MDS · May 31, 2011, 05:55:58 PM

but they what are being "paid" with is canadian money or wooden nickles.

its worthless to most of them.

rjs246 · May 31, 2011, 05:57:17 PM

As is money, ultimately. The point you're trying make applies to all forms of compensation and speaks to a deeper problem.

MDS · May 31, 2011, 06:02:29 PM

of course it does

but its not a problem the ncaa should be solving. its not their issue or their concern. give their employees a fair cut. what they do with it is what they do with it.

rjs246 · May 31, 2011, 06:07:58 PM

Treating the symptom instead of the cause is pointless and self indulgent. Paying players in cash in addition to their free education makes us feel better about the hypocrisy without fixing anything. It's is lazy an stupid approach to the problem.

MDS · May 31, 2011, 06:20:08 PM

maybe it is. but it at least gives them something. it gives them a cut of the pie that they are blocked from having now. the money is out there. either everyone gets some of it or it just goes to the rich white dudes. hmmmm. which way is fair.

here's the crux of the matter...from whitlocks column

QuoteWhy does the story keep getting framed around the people? Why do we keep demonizing the people rather than rules that NCAA architect Walter Byers chastised in his 1995 book, "Unsportsmanlike Conduct: Exploiting the Student-Athlete?"

"Today the NCAA Presidents Commission," Byers wrote, "is preoccupied with tightening a few loose bolts in a worn machine, firmly committed to the neo-plantation belief that enormous proceeds from college games belong to the overseers (administrators) and supervisors (coaches). The plantation workers performing in the arena may only receive those benefits authorized by the overseers."

the game is rigged. too much money is exchanging hands and the compensation of a degree has proven to be valueless. so what do we do? we cant go back in time and fix the socioeconomical problems, can we?

Dillen · May 31, 2011, 06:26:41 PM

It is absolutely impossible to have any fairness across the board in college sports. Some kids get to go to school for free because they can put a ball through a hoop. People see that as stupid. A lot of other kids don't get full scholarships. A lot of athletes don't get scholarships at all. UC Berkeley hands out baseball scholarships that random lower level D1 schools can't afford to. The better schools get more revenue, probably have more travel money for the players, and any and all other benefits in between. Other schools don't have that. How do you determine who would get paid, and how much? What about the other sports programs? Then you'd have to go into which program is more important or valuable, and you can't do that. It'd bring up a whole other bag of issues.

Rome · May 31, 2011, 07:08:27 PM

Jason Whitlock is a tub thumping racist fat piece of shtein. Every farging article he spews out his ass has some retarded racial angle, and although racism is incredibly prevalent, racism does not play a part in how student athletes are compensated. Whites are treated the same as Asians who are treated the same as African-Americans who are treated the same as Latinos and blahdy-blahdy-blah.

It's about economics. Whining about athletes who aren't prepared emotionally or scholastically to survive in a college or university environment is a colossal waste of time. In short, there are bigger issues facing this country than whether some farging jock gets fair compensation for his services as an athlete.

Hell, what salad dressing I'm gonna use on my dinner salad is a more pressing issue than this nonsense.

If they don't want the farging scholarship then don't accept it. Get a farging job as a car wash attendant or sling burgers at McDonald's for a while. Trust me, do that for a year or so and then come complain about how you're mistreated as a "student-athlete".