Brandon Graham, Philadelphia Eagle

[ice grillin you]

stop with the covering wr's crap...thats such a red herring...he was not required a single time all year to cover a wr...yes a handul of times he dropped into short zone coverage...to insinuate that having to do that a few times somehow delayed his ascension into being jevon kearse is ridiculous...i watched him on almost every snap this year and he was completely underwhelming

[Rome]

if you actually sat there and waited for brandon graham to play and then focused in solely on him, then i'm the king of siam.

and where did i insinuate anything of the kind kearse-wise?  you're the hyperbole master around here, not me.  all i said was when he wasn't doing stupid shtein thought up by the retard running the defense, he played well.  empirically that is true, despite what you say.

[SD]

Graham's problem is he relied on the speed rush and using his leverage in college, but just that doesn't work in the pro's. He used to start games by trying the speed rush, once that failed he tried overpowering the OT which he failed at miserably. He really needs to add some strength. People say 'size' but anyone can gain 20 lbs. Hopefully Washburn can teach him some new techniques.

[Rome]

Graham's problem is he should be playing OLB in a 3-4 alignment. 

[Seabiscuit36]

must get 3-4 alignment

[Diomedes]

someone said total washout ?

I heard it too.

[ice grillin you]

if you actually sat there and waited for brandon graham to play and then focused in solely on him, then i'm the king of siam.

and where did i insinuate anything of the kind kearse-wise?  you're the hyperbole master around here, not me.  all i said was when he wasn't doing stupid shtein thought up by the retard running the defense, he played well.  empirically that is true, despite what you say.

waited for him to play?

when the defense comes out hes on the field...hes an end which is easy to watch and not miss the rest of the play....plus i watch most eagle games twice on dvr and concentrate on different players....graham is one i watched extensively just because he was their first rounder

well if you think he played well and you insinuated that he was held back by covering wr's then without that he elevates to very well or great...i just think thats a crock

id buy saying that his sack totals would have been higher if he didnt play as much dt early in the year because they did have him there...but the coverage shtein is dumb

[ice grillin you]

someone said total washout ?

I heard it too.

you didnt hear the because of injury part tho

when you blow out your knee theres always the chance that a player never becomes anything...add in the fact that graham didnt show much before getting hurt and theres your washout scenario

[Drunkmasterflex]

I think for a rookie DE he had a decent showing, there are very few rookies DEs that come in and dominate.  What would help the Eagles and the DEs more than anything would be getting a DT that could rush the passer.  For the last 3-4 years they are always putting ends inside to help rush the passer in nickel and dime situations. 

[rjs246]

He was a fine player who was contributing but not lighting the world on fire as a rookie.

Now he's a massive question mark because his knee is shredded. No one knows what he will be so it doens't make a lick of difference what he was.

[QB Eagles]

He was a fine player who was contributing but not lighting the world on fire as a rookie.

Now he's a massive question mark because his knee is shredded. No one knows what he will be so it doens't make a lick of difference what he was.

I agree. Next season he will either show improvement or start down the path of McDougledom. Until we see him back in action, we have no idea what he's going to bring to the table.

[ice grillin you]

next year he will either not blow out his knee again play cautious and not show much or blow out his knee again and be done

i think we need to wait until 2012 to see any sort of real improvement from him

shtein ill be happy if he makes it thru the preseason without getting hurt again

[Diomedes]

chances that he'll ever be anything in the NFL are slim to none. 

slim last seen packing his bags

[Drunkmasterflex]

He was a fine player who was contributing but not lighting the world on fire as a rookie.

Now he's a massive question mark because his knee is shredded. No one knows what he will be so it doens't make a lick of difference what he was.

Very fair assessment, I personally don't see him being a big contributor next season. 

[Rome]

Obviously you don't plan for him to be there.

If he makes it back then great.   They still need a prime starter at DE regardless if he's there or not.