The 'Mass-Shooting In The US' thread

[Diomedes]

Hey, sign me up for that..it would be a huge improvement.

But nothing would beat doing what Australia did, and I'd gladly turn in my gun if everyone else had to do it as well.

[Seabiscuit36]

The real question is "when will Walmart start carrying stinger missiles?" 

Btw, what is up with the repeated things I keep seeing that Lanza didn't take the ar15 into the school? 
http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495 

Was this info debunked? 

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Hey, sign me up for that..it would be a huge improvement.

But nothing would beat doing what Australia did, and I'd gladly turn in my gun if everyone else had to do it as well.

Define the term in bold, and we might be getting somewhere.

[Diomedes]

The real question is "when will Walmart start carrying stinger missiles?"

It's a good rhetorical question.  I repeat from before:  why doesn't the NRA try to get machine guns legalized? 

The arguments they are using to defend all other weapons would work just as well for machine guns and rocket launchers.

So what is it about those weapons that they don't protect our rights to own them? 

[ice grillin you]

Hey, sign me up for that..it would be a huge improvement.

But nothing would beat doing what Australia did, and I'd gladly turn in my gun if everyone else had to do it as well.

Define the term in bold, and we might be getting somewhere.

the same people who turned in all their machine guns

[Sgt PSN]

Hey, sign me up for that..it would be a huge improvement.

But nothing would beat doing what Australia did, and I'd gladly turn in my gun if everyone else had to do it as well.

I would as well.  Don't get me wrong.....the world would certainly be a safer place without a single gun in it.  I won't argue that point with you at all.  But that wouldn't necessarily make it better because the amount of violent acts wouldn't change, only the fallout.  You'd still have crazies out there with knifes and crossbows running amuck.  The death toll goes down but the number of incidents remains the same.  It's not really solving the problem, it's just making it more palatable to deal with.

And since it's impossible to round up every gun in existence while simultaneously halting the production of guns around the world, we might as well focus more on the cause for violence rather than the tool used to carry it out. 

[Diomedes]

Define the term in bold, and we might be getting somewhere.

In this scenario, everyone means everyone.  Every single person residing in the country.

People authorized to carry weapons as part of their job--cops, FBI agents, etc--carry only while on the job.  Anyone else caught with a gun goes to jail for long long time.

Twenty or fifty years of that and gun violence in America is a relic of the bad old days.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Define the term in bold, and we might be getting somewhere.

In this scenario, everyone means everyone.  Every single person residing in the country.

People authorized to carry weapons as part of their job--cops, FBI agents, etc--carry only while on the job.  Anyone else caught with a gun goes to jail for long long time.

Twenty or fifty years of that and gun violence in America is a relic of the bad old days.

Nope, still not quite there. I'm busy for the rest of the day. Sarge has the con.

[Diomedes]

...because the amount of violent acts wouldn't change, only the fallout.  You'd still have crazies out there with knifes and crossbows running amuck.  The death toll goes down but the number of incidents remains the same...

Au contraire mon frere.  Any coward can point a gun at someone....it takes actual balls to knife someone, or beat 'em with a bat.   Violence as an idea is constant in humanity, sure, but incidence of violence is not constant.  Elimination of guns would not result in an epidemic of stabbings and beatings.  There would just be a lot less violence, because it would be much harder to accomplish.

And since it's impossible to round up every gun in existence while simultaneously halting the production of guns around the world, we might as well focus more on the cause for violence rather than the tool used to carry it out.

I reject the idea that it's impossible to purge guns from a society.  It is, strictly speaking, perfectly possible, and it has been done.  Sure, it won't happen, but that's a different subject. 

I could give a shtein why people are violent, what I want is to make it far more difficult for violent people to kill.  And no guns=no gun deaths.  So there.

[ice grillin you]

And since it's impossible to round up every gun in existence while simultaneously halting the production of guns around the world, we might as well focus more on the cause for violence rather than the tool used to carry it out. 

if you could show me some numbers...perhaps from other countries....that less guns doesnt mean less murder then i might agree with this...but a fight or argument without a gun will end better than one with a gun...same with a burglary...a car jacking....a home invasion...its to easy to kill people with a gun they are scarily efficient

[Sgt PSN]

...because the amount of violent acts wouldn't change, only the fallout.  You'd still have crazies out there with knifes and crossbows running amuck.  The death toll goes down but the number of incidents remains the same...

Au contraire mon frere.  Any coward can point a gun at someone....it takes actual balls to knife someone, or beat 'em with a bat.   Violence as an idea is constant in humanity, sure, but incidence of violence is not constant.  Elimination of guns would not result in an epidemic of stabbings and beatings.  There would just be a lot less violence, because it would be much harder to accomplish.

I'll give you that.  Whether or not the decrease in overall violence is tremendous or minimal, the guy shooting up a school or mall probably won't attempt it with a knife.  So no guns would def = no mass killings.  But I don't know if there would be a significant decline in "one-on-one crimes" that involve guns.  Would there be a substantial drop in the number of home invasions, rapes, gang wars, crimes of passion, etc?  Maybe.  But won't say for certain one way or the other.  But I do think that 2 drunks having an argument will still result in death or serious injury with or without a gun.  I think a guy still kills his cheating wife and her lover with or without a gun.  The numbers likely would decrease, but it still doesn't address the real problem, imo.

Also, this is Uhmer'ca.  Speak English, commie.   

And since it's impossible to round up every gun in existence while simultaneously halting the production of guns around the world, we might as well focus more on the cause for violence rather than the tool used to carry it out.

I reject the idea that it's impossible to purge guns from a society.  It is, strictly speaking, perfectly possible, and it has been done.  Sure, it won't happen, but that's a different subject. 

What society has successfully purged guns?  Australia might have laws prohibiting them, but they haven't purged anything. 

I could give a shtein why people are violent, what I want is to make it far more difficult for violent people to kill.  And no guns=no gun deaths.  So there.

lol.  I won't argue the logic.  I feel the same way.  But I'd still rather address the roots of violence rather than focus solely on the means. 

[General_Failure]

And since it's impossible to round up every gun in existence while simultaneously halting the production of guns around the world, we might as well focus more on the cause for violence rather than the tool used to carry it out. 

if you could show me some numbers...perhaps from other countries....that less guns doesnt mean less murder then i might agree with this

Central and South America skew the numbers way away from that. The countries with the most guns are the US, Serbia, Yemen, France, and Germany. The countries with the highest murder rates are Honduras, El Salvador, Ivory Coast, Jamaica, Venezuela, and Belieze. All the countries with the guns are in the middle of the pack as far as murder rates go.

Some day we'll all everyone but MDS will tell their grandchildren where they were the day IGY was right.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Can anyone give a convincing argument as to why weapons such as MAC-10's should be legal?

[hbionic]

Because someone out there has MAC-7's and we all know that 7-8-9?

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Has it been mentioned that the killer at Sandy Hook decided against using the AR-15?

Left it in his trunk.


So, again... Whether you are "pro-gun" or "anti-gun," these proposals are a waste of government funds and a red herring. We should demand better.