The 'Mass-Shooting In The US' thread

[PhillyPhreak54]

I think Dio is right in the sense that someone who normally wouldn't carry a weapon would think twice about carrying if there was a no questions asked 20yr sentence attached to it.

[ice grillin you]

outstadning piece on the shootout at the waco corral....seems as tho the police may have instigated it

http://www.gq.com/story/untold-story-texas-biker-gang-shoot-out

[Diomedes]

I think Dio is right..

The point I am trying to make regarding punishment for gun criminals is not that draconian sentencing will create a substantial deterence effect--though do I believe it might--but that it will take bad actors out of society.  If some think twice about waving a gun around in a traffic dispute because they'd rather not do 20 years, all the better...but what I want is for the guy who does do that to actually be kicked out of the playground of society.

[PhillyPhreak54]

outstadning piece on the shootout at the waco corral....seems as tho the police may have instigated it

http://www.gq.com/story/untold-story-texas-biker-gang-shoot-out

Started reading this last night...saw it on the long form website

And I'm with you Dio. Throw the book at them. Of course the book needs to have those hardcore laws in it first

[ice grillin you]

I think Dio is right..

The point I am trying to make regarding punishment for gun criminals is not that draconian sentencing will create a substantial deterence effect--though do I believe it might--but that it will take bad actors out of society.  If some think twice about waving a gun around in a traffic dispute because they'd rather not do 20 years, all the better...but what I want is for the guy who does do that to actually be kicked out of the playground of society.

that never works tho....sweeping incarcement gets far too many good or not so bad guys in its net....one thing that always works tho is less of a bad thing is a good thing....whether that means machine guns...cigarettes....cars without seatbelts....sugary soda...drugs etc...

when theres less of anything that causes harm the harm goes down

more guns but harsher punishment will do nothing

[Geowhizzer]

Did you ever study the history of prohibition?

[General_Failure]

I have. We're days away from winning the War on Drugs.

[ice grillin you]

the war on drugs didn't work cause it never was  about making drugs less prevalent just over criminalizing them

prohibition absolutely cut down on alcohol use and if you banned alcohol today alcohol related deaths would undoubtedly be slashed

these are obvious facts

[General_Failure]

One killed, 3 injured in shooting at Northern Arizona University

One person died and three others were injured in an overnight shooting at Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, university officials said Friday.

The shooter was in custody, and the school was not on lockdown, university spokesman Cindy Brown told CNN.

The shooting happened in a parking lot next to the Mountain View residence hall around 1:20 a.m., she said.

[phillycrew]

Why not remove any restriction on lawsuits and actually enact legislation that would hold gun manufacturers and sellers liable for acts that are committed with a gun?  It may have an adverse impact on lawful gun owners, but it could spur the dealers and manufacturers to require background checks and other controls.  Could address the availability issue that IGY raises.  Problem is there are so many guns that are already out there.

Society also needs to examine our acceptance of guns.  In many ways, society has shamed the smoker/drunk driver/drug addict.  The challenge is the marginalized in our society still embrace these vices and may continue to love their guns.  Unfortunately, these shooters tend to come from these marginalized classes.  Dio is right with the harsher penalties.

[Seabiscuit36]

Hey, those gun companies paid big money to both sides of the Aisle to get the liability protection.  Maybe the suits who signed off on it should pay back the money they received. 

Obama's new Executive action order is fine with me.  It's set for folks who sell more than 50 unregulated weapons to be required to file as an FFL.  Makes total sense to me, but I'm curious how many people would actually fit that bill.  If its sales of regulated weapons ie handgun/assault weapons, those all have to be done with a FFL or at the appropriate authority which is usually the state police. 

The thing is, the executive action does nothing to address any of the weapons that were procured for anything from sandy hook to Umpqua.  So a fluff common sense rule is either being presented to placate one side or incense another, or maybe just to see who stands up for what. 

If you want to address our society's acceptance of guns, look no further than every network tv show.

[General_Failure]

Active shooters in San Bernardino; 'multiple victims'

SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. — San Bernardino authorities reported Wednesday as many as 3 active shooters with rifles and "multiple victims" at a social services center. Witnesses report shooters wearing ski masks and vests.

There were reports of multiple victims, Lt. Rich Lawhead told the Associated Press. The San Bernardino Fire Department said on Twitter that there are reports of possibly 20 victims.

[smeags]

Here we go again.

[ice grillin you]

minimum 12 dead

[MDS]

america didnt give a shtein about a classroom full of 1st graders was annihilated, like its going to care about a center for retards

farg this country