Who needs to go? - Offense / ST's

ice grillin you · November 28, 2006, 12:00:29 PM

McNabb = franchise QB.

Who do you see as franchise QBs in the NFL, IGY?

right this second...

brady
palmer
manning
brees

PoopyfaceMcGee · November 28, 2006, 12:05:47 PM

Brady, Palmer, and Peyton Manning are all definite franchise QB's.

Borderline guys right now are Brees, Bulger, Hasselbeck, Favre, Delhomme, and McNabb

Baffling guys are Vick and Eli.

Possibly will be franchise QB's in the next few years are Leinart, Young, Cutler, Romo, Alex Smith, Grossman, and Rivers.

Sgt PSN · November 28, 2006, 12:17:59 PM

My definition of a Franchise Quarterback:

A quarterback you can build a team around to be competitive in the present, near future and/or long term future.

Pretty simple. McNabb is that type of player. If you surround him with talent he will put up amazing numbers. Hell, he's put up very good numbers over the years with average to below average talent around him. He is a franchise quarterback and there are probably only 3 teams out there who would pass on him without a second thought if he were available today.

Indy
NE
Cincy

Every other team in the league would at least strongly consider McNabb over their current QB and I'd say about 12-15 would take him in a heartbeat......for now and the future.

Feva · November 28, 2006, 12:58:15 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2006, 12:00:29 PM
McNabb = franchise QB.

Who do you see as franchise QBs in the NFL, IGY?

right this second...

brady
palmer
manning
brees

... and McNabb belongs right on that list. Before Brees or Palmer too.

It's also funny how you can consider Brees a "franchise QB" over McNabb when he's been with his current team for like 6 months and his former team obviously didn't view him that way.

Quasimoto · November 28, 2006, 12:58:20 PM

McNabb deserves a shot to come back. Especially with a new coaching staff. If he had a running game and at least one reliable receiver he'd be golden. I gurantee it.

Oh and a defense might help a little.

Cerevant · November 28, 2006, 01:15:29 PM

Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 28, 2006, 12:17:59 PM
My definition of a Franchise Quarterback:

Whoa whoa whoa...don't be defining things around here...how can we get into baseless "I'm right, and you are wrong" pissing matches if you go and define what you are talking about?

T_Section224 · November 28, 2006, 01:33:00 PM

that should be like a man law or something.

rjs246 · November 28, 2006, 01:35:45 PM

First, kudos to everyone for ignoring Munson's mini-novel of a response.
Second, to reiterate, I don't think McNabb should be gotten rid of. I certainly don't think he will be gotten rid of. I'm just saying that this team is on the verge of needing a total overhaul and if they were to go that route, getting rid of McNabb would not, and should not, be out of the question.

Drunkmasterflex · November 28, 2006, 01:48:45 PM

Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2006, 01:35:45 PM
First, kudos to everyone for ignoring Munson's mini-novel of a response.
Second, to reiterate, I don't think McNabb should be gotten rid of. I certainly don't think he will be gotten rid of. I'm just saying that this team is on the verge of needing a total overhaul and if they were to go that route, getting rid of McNabb would not, and should not, be out of the question.

I think you could have a complete overhaul of this team and still keep McNabb. He is only 30 years old, which by QB standards is fairly young. The only issue I have with McNabb is that he hasn't shown the ability to stay healthy over the last 4-5 seasons. That is a big issue for a guy who is a Franchise QB.

The only reason I would want to see Donovan leave is because Reid stays. That of course will never happen. I think Reid while responsible for a lot of McNabb's success, is the main reason we will never see what McNabb should or could become. I just wish that we had a coach who believed in a thing called balance, and wasn't so arrogant that he thinks he can have minimal talent in his offense and still be great.

Tomahawk · November 28, 2006, 02:08:52 PM

I don't see the need for a total overhaul of the players. The o-line's good enough, McNabb is one of the best QBs in the NFL, Westbrook's pretty good. A blocking TE and a bigger back are the only necessary additions. I don't normally display tendencies to over-react so I'm not sold on the "fire everybody" philosophy, but something does need to happen on the defensive side of the ball. The defense has undoubtedly cost the Eagles more games this season than the offense.

ice grillin you · November 28, 2006, 02:18:15 PM

i hope the defensive liabilities dont over shadow the fact that andys offensive philosophy is horrid and that above all he needs to go way before mcnabb or any other player

Tomahawk · November 28, 2006, 02:29:07 PM

I haven't ever agreed with his philosophy, but it's hard to argue with the points it normally puts on the board.

rjs246 · November 28, 2006, 02:31:24 PM

All or nothing offenses that don't eat clock will never win a championship. Even 'The Greatest Show on Turf' in St. Louis had Faulk running the ball 20+ times a game. Andy Reid needs to be shown the door. Immediately.

Rome · November 28, 2006, 02:37:51 PM

Merely committing to running the ball more won't work. They actually have to have a running back who is able to run it 25-30 times a game.

We all know that won't happen with Reid as the head coach so all this hubbub is really pointless, fellas.

Don Ho · November 28, 2006, 02:42:13 PM

The only thing that has even remotely cheered me up about this franchise in over a year and a half was watching NFL Films this morning at the gym. Segment on Gizmo Williams. Brought back some great memories. Guy was a stud in the CFL. Also played for the Memphis Showboats with Reggie White. Great story.