Who do you think is going in the First to the Birds?

[The BIGSTUD]

Considine is one player in a secondary. You can cover up for a weakness at safety with a pass rush. If we get a stud DT in this draft, I'd expect we'd have a very good pass rush again. So we'd be able to cover up that weakness. You can't really cover up a weakness at DT. Unless you have a super dominant DE.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Now that your lack of sanity is proved, I really see no need to continue this argument or present more logic.

If it makes you feel better, you can declare yourself the winner.

[PhillyPhanInDC]

As his sponsor, since it is still the coolest thing to do, I can assure you, Sean Considine is a beast.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Sean Considine is a beast.

Let's line him up at DT, then.

[NGM]

Sean Considine is a beast.

Let's line him up at DT, then.

Well he is a high-motor type of guy. 

[SidFarkus]

If Dawk isn't here in 2007, then we can draft a safety then or have Considine fill in for a year or so until we do get one. That wouldn't be disastrous. Having Walker and Rayburn next year would be disastrous.

So, the prospect of Considine starting is less scary to you than the prospect of Darwin Walker and Sam Rayburn being vital parts of a DT rotation?  I see you're not even in the same solar system as planet reality.

First off, we don't really know anything about Considine. I think it's too early to write him off. Now, if you asked me now I would certainly not tell you that I'd be comfortable seeing him start in 07... but he deserves some time.

I think the DT situation is dire. We got killed last year there. Not only did they get run up the gut, but the lack of push made is easy for QBs to just step up to easily avoid the edge rush by Kearse. I can't count the amount of times he came from the outside to have the QB step up and buy another few seconds. Our secondary, LBs, the whole defense was left out to dry at that point. Those guys in the interior need to at least hold their ground and eat up some blocks for the scheme to work, they didn't do that and the entire defense collapsed around them.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

You proved my point.

We know nothing about Considine, whereas we know that both Walker and Rayburn can be decent rotational players when healthy.  We also know that last year, they were certainly not healthy at all.  Neither of them.

Hey, I'd love to see DT get upgraded, but to say that you're fine with Sean farging Considine getting significant playing time, but you're scared to death of Walker and Rayburn is an absolutely ridiculous point of view.

[The BIGSTUD]

A free safety is ONE player in a defensive backfield that has 4 players.

2 DTs play on a defensive line. It's less of an issue to have one question mark in the secondary than one at DT.

You can get by with questions in the secondary if you have a pass rush. Without a pass rush even Dawkins and Lewis look like shtein. Look at last year. Pass rush is the #1 priority. Then you work at the secondary.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Should I point out the obvious that there are only 2 safeties in a defensive backfield of 4 overall players and 2 DT's in a defensive line of 4 overall players?  Your logic is completely laughable.  Stop trying.

[The BIGSTUD]

What good are your safeties going to do if you can't get a pass rush? Just look at last season. Dawk and Lewis looked bad. That was because we had no pass rush. So I don't care who you have playing in the secondary. Huff is going to look like trash too if we don't get a pass rush. Getting Bunkley or Ngata is getting on the right track.

With all the secondary issues the Patriots had 2 years ago, they disguised them because they could get to the QB. They had second stringers and a WR(Troy Brown) playing DB.

So I don't really care who we have at safety or corner. Defensive line is the most important part of a defense, and we have a huge hole at DT, and it must be addressed in the first round.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

If it's all about the pass rush, then the only conceivable first round DT target is Bunkley.

Your re-attempt at logic just eliminated Ngata from contention also.  He's not a pass rusher.

[The BIGSTUD]

I think Ngata is the type of guy who will take a double team to free up the edges. Sorta like Simon was supposed to do here.

But yes, I would probably prefer Bunkley here over Ngata because Bunkley IMO has less of a bust risk.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Ha!  Simon was supposed to be a pass-rushing specialist.  Then, he got lazy and fat.

[sallad selgae]

I think the DT situation is dire. We got killed last year there. Not only did they get run up the gut, but the lack of push made is easy for QBs to just step up to easily avoid the edge rush by Kearse. I can't count the amount of times he came from the outside to have the QB step up and buy another few seconds. Our secondary, LBs, the whole defense was left out to dry at that point. Those guys in the interior need to at least hold their ground and eat up some blocks for the scheme to work, they didn't do that and the entire defense collapsed around them.

It wouldn't hurt for Kearse to use an inside move from time to time.  The reason the QB's were comfortable stepping up was that they knew he wasn't going to be there.  I do agree, the interior needs to be more of a force this year as well.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Reading all of this shtein about Randle El and PhillyForever's posts makes my head want to explode. I just had to talk my brain out of it.