I hate my job!

[hbionic]

Big Brother, can we add 'CEO Bitch' to PG's avatar?

GOOD LUCK PG...farg that, you don't need it....you already smart enough to break away. I'm proud of you and wish you nothing but prosperity and success.

Three cheers for CEO Bitch! 

[PhillyPhanInDC]

The important thing to remember with resumes is that you want the most pertinent shtein up front. Forget about how long it is. If I see what I need in the first page, I might look at the rest. If it's in the back somewhere, it's getting tossed. I'd also suggest having different resumes writing for different positions. Sounds like a lot, but it can really make a difference.

Here's another question for fed employees.....

I'm looking at multiple job postings on USA Jobs, but the one I'm most interested in has this under qualifications:

Applicants must possess at least one year of specialized experience equivalent to the GS-11 grade level that equipped the applicant with the particular knowledge, skills, and abilities to perform successfully the duties of a ......

The job I currently hold is probably on par with a GS-9.  However, when looking at the duties and responsibilities of the job, I've not only done what they require but I've actually done more.  Is this something I should worry about or should I just submit an application anyway? 

I can tell you from experience, when you say on par with a GS-9, you are undervaluing you experience. You're a SNCO in the Marine Corps, which easily puts you into 12-13 territory in a similar field. If you feel qualified for the position, apply for it. Let them sort it out. A lot of employers will put things in like "10 years experience, college degree, specialized certification, etc., required" when really they may only need one or two of those things.

[ice grillin you]

Ok, so I've taken a couple of resume writing classes in the past and I've updated my resume over the years as I've aquired new skills, responsibilities, etc so I think it's a pretty solid resume.  Then last week I took a class on gaining federal employment (specifically applying on USA Jobs) and the instructor said that we should get rid of all the bullet points on our resume and write paragraphs about our experience and expertise.  Said that a quality resume for federal employment should be at least 5 pages long.  I know a few of you have fed jobs....any truth to this?   

Yes...this is correct. Ditch the bullet points and write paragraphs. My federal resume is 6-8 pages long. Remember to tell your story, don't just write mundane details about what you did. I spent 10 hours writing my federal resume and got call backs from all 8 jobs I applied for.

that must be a DOD thing...because KSA's are essentially gone everywhere else...what they have now are "occupational assesment" questions

and i just talked to my boss and he said he damn sure doesnt wanna see 6-8 pages of paragraphs about someone...he would prefer bullets...

on usajobs sarge there should be a resume builder type thing where you input the info and it builds the resume for you...then you save it and fire it off whenever you see a position you wanna try for

from what sd is describing it sounds like you may need to do two resumes...one for when applying for DOD positions and one for all others

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Wow. That's the complete opposite of the private sector. I had a hard time getting mine down to 2 pages, but anything more than that is frowned upon in general for most jobs.

THIS xINFINITY

[Sgt PSN]

The important thing to remember with resumes is that you want the most pertinent shtein up front. Forget about how long it is. If I see what I need in the first page, I might look at the rest. If it's in the back somewhere, it's getting tossed. I'd also suggest having different resumes writing for different positions. Sounds like a lot, but it can really make a difference.

Here's another question for fed employees.....

I'm looking at multiple job postings on USA Jobs, but the one I'm most interested in has this under qualifications:

Applicants must possess at least one year of specialized experience equivalent to the GS-11 grade level that equipped the applicant with the particular knowledge, skills, and abilities to perform successfully the duties of a ......

The job I currently hold is probably on par with a GS-9.  However, when looking at the duties and responsibilities of the job, I've not only done what they require but I've actually done more.  Is this something I should worry about or should I just submit an application anyway? 

I can tell you from experience, when you say on par with a GS-9, you are undervaluing you experience. You're a SNCO in the Marine Corps, which easily puts you into 12-13 territory in a similar field. If you feel qualified for the position, apply for it. Let them sort it out. A lot of employers will put things in like "10 years experience, college degree, specialized certification, etc., required" when really they may only need one or two of those things.

Wow, I'm kind of surprised by this.  Guess I was getting caught up in the payscale comparisons and figured that a GS worker making roughly the same amount of money as me would have roughly the same work load and level of responsibility.  Now that I think about it though, I see some serious fault in making that comparison.  Seems like civilians get paid more and do less work in the process. 

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Seems like civilians get paid more and do less work in the process.

Um... DUH.

[ice grillin you]

The important thing to remember with resumes is that you want the most pertinent shtein up front. Forget about how long it is. If I see what I need in the first page, I might look at the rest. If it's in the back somewhere, it's getting tossed. I'd also suggest having different resumes writing for different positions. Sounds like a lot, but it can really make a difference.

Here's another question for fed employees.....

I'm looking at multiple job postings on USA Jobs, but the one I'm most interested in has this under qualifications:

Applicants must possess at least one year of specialized experience equivalent to the GS-11 grade level that equipped the applicant with the particular knowledge, skills, and abilities to perform successfully the duties of a ......

The job I currently hold is probably on par with a GS-9.  However, when looking at the duties and responsibilities of the job, I've not only done what they require but I've actually done more.  Is this something I should worry about or should I just submit an application anyway? 

I can tell you from experience, when you say on par with a GS-9, you are undervaluing you experience. You're a SNCO in the Marine Corps, which easily puts you into 12-13 territory in a similar field. If you feel qualified for the position, apply for it. Let them sort it out. A lot of employers will put things in like "10 years experience, college degree, specialized certification, etc., required" when really they may only need one or two of those things.

Wow, I'm kind of surprised by this.  Guess I was getting caught up in the payscale comparisons and figured that a GS worker making roughly the same amount of money as me would have roughly the same work load and level of responsibility.  Now that I think about it though, I see some serious fault in making that comparison.  Seems like civilians get paid more and do less work in the process.

think of a private sector worker trying to get in the government...obviously they have no experience at any gs level so they have to be graded on their prior experience in the field they are applying for as opposed to time spent at a particular gs level

[SD]

The important thing to remember with resumes is that you want the most pertinent shtein up front. Forget about how long it is. If I see what I need in the first page, I might look at the rest. If it's in the back somewhere, it's getting tossed. I'd also suggest having different resumes writing for different positions. Sounds like a lot, but it can really make a difference.

Here's another question for fed employees.....

I'm looking at multiple job postings on USA Jobs, but the one I'm most interested in has this under qualifications:

Applicants must possess at least one year of specialized experience equivalent to the GS-11 grade level that equipped the applicant with the particular knowledge, skills, and abilities to perform successfully the duties of a ......

The job I currently hold is probably on par with a GS-9.  However, when looking at the duties and responsibilities of the job, I've not only done what they require but I've actually done more.  Is this something I should worry about or should I just submit an application anyway? 

I can tell you from experience, when you say on par with a GS-9, you are undervaluing you experience. You're a SNCO in the Marine Corps, which easily puts you into 12-13 territory in a similar field. If you feel qualified for the position, apply for it. Let them sort it out. A lot of employers will put things in like "10 years experience, college degree, specialized certification, etc., required" when really they may only need one or two of those things.

He's the same rank as I was when I got out and I have a Bachelor's degree...I was only eligible to start out at a 7 but will make 9 in March once my one year probation period is up. You can't even apply for a 12-13 without 1 year as an 11.

[SD]

Ok, so I've taken a couple of resume writing classes in the past and I've updated my resume over the years as I've aquired new skills, responsibilities, etc so I think it's a pretty solid resume.  Then last week I took a class on gaining federal employment (specifically applying on USA Jobs) and the instructor said that we should get rid of all the bullet points on our resume and write paragraphs about our experience and expertise.  Said that a quality resume for federal employment should be at least 5 pages long.  I know a few of you have fed jobs....any truth to this?   

Yes...this is correct. Ditch the bullet points and write paragraphs. My federal resume is 6-8 pages long. Remember to tell your story, don't just write mundane details about what you did. I spent 10 hours writing my federal resume and got call backs from all 8 jobs I applied for.

that must be a DOD thing...because KSA's are essentially gone everywhere else...what they have now are "occupational assesment" questions

and i just talked to my boss and he said he damn sure doesnt wanna see 6-8 pages of paragraphs about someone...he would prefer bullets...

on usajobs sarge there should be a resume builder type thing where you input the info and it builds the resume for you...then you save it and fire it off whenever you see a position you wanna try for

from what sd is describing it sounds like you may need to do two resumes...one for when applying for DOD positions and one for all others

I don't work for the DOD, I work for the VA. They're completely different. I applied for 8 jobs (4 with the VA, 2 with the DOD, and 2 with GSA) and they all required the standard long ass resume and KSA's.

[ice grillin you]

You can't even apply for a 12-13 without 1 year as an 11.

this isnt true for most government jobs now

nor is this...

they all required the standard long ass resume and KSA's.

heres an example of what has replaced the old ksa's from a GSA job posting...its basically a bunch of multiple choice questions

https://jobs.mgsapps.monster.com/gsa/vacancy/previewVacancyQuestions.hms?orgId=1&jnum=71030

[PhillyGirl]

Big Brother, can we add 'CEO Bitch' to PG's avatar?

GOOD LUCK PG...farg that, you don't need it....you already smart enough to break away. I'm proud of you and wish you nothing but prosperity and success.

Three cheers for CEO Bitch! 

Thanks bionic. I'm super excited. And many thanks to the really (yes, really) talented Mussa. He made a KICKASS company logo for us.

[SD]

You can't even apply for a 12-13 without 1 year as an 11.

this isnt true for most government jobs now

nor is this...

they all required the standard long ass resume and KSA's.

heres an example of what has replaced the old ksa's from a GSA job posting...its basically a bunch of multiple choice questions

https://jobs.mgsapps.monster.com/gsa/vacancy/previewVacancyQuestions.hms?orgId=1&jnum=71030

I applied for two 11 jobs and both turned me down because I didn't have time as a 9 or 10 in the field I was applying for. I did have similar skills from my time in the Navy and it still wasn't enough. I work with retired military officers who are pay grades below me. Don't overestimate military experience, it's good for gov't jobs and whatnot but they're not just going to hand someone an 11/12/13 because they were in the military. I supervised 23 people while I was in the Navy and had leadership school to boot but unless you have expertise in the field you're applying for it means shtein.

I just went through this process 1 year ago. And yes, they do ask the 100 questions and take the top scores to see who they want to interview...they also use KSA's for some positions as well. My girl just applied for a 10 position and she had to submit KSA's.

[Diomedes]

Your girl?

Haven't you been down this road before?

[SD]

A million times. Been with this one since October. She hasn't showed any psycho tendencies...yet. Her kid is only a year younger than mine, she doesn't get mad when I don't feel like seeing her, and she's not overly sensitive about bullshtein. I can only take so much.

[Tomahawk]

Get your sister something nice as well as something you'd like so she can re-gift it to you for your wedding present