U.S. Iraq war casualties reach new milestone

Started by Diomedes, February 08, 2006, 09:00:29 AM

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ice grillin you

i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Geowhizzer


MadMarchHare

I appreciate the corrections, Geo.  While my dates are wrong, and there are clearly differences between the Germans and our current situation, the fear is still there.  Bush likes power, he expects to be abided no matter what.  He doesn't give a shtein what anyone (the populace, Dems or Repubs) think.  It's hard for me to believe he'll just walk away.  And the set up in the last week with all the NIE Al Qaeda reports is sobering to say the least.
Anyone but Reid.

ice grillin you

Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 14, 2007, 10:41:42 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 14, 2007, 10:25:42 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on July 14, 2007, 01:03:34 PM
Typical Bush apologist...again.


Who is that comment directed towards?


anyone that would have the nerve to call out someone for their blind hatred of bush...the guy is the devil personified...there is no such thing as blind hate for the man...he provides more than enough real life hatred for the next 150 presidents combined
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Geowhizzer

I don't see anyone defending Bush.

I'm sure that most Americans will breathe a sigh of relief on Jan. 20, 2009.

Unless MMH is right...

Hail Augustus Bush?

PoopyfaceMcGee

Besides Iraq, he's sucked fairly equally to many past Presidents.  And while Iraq is an abomination, it's not even close to the level of Vietnam yet... so LBJ by default has to get a share of that "worst President" title if you want to hand some to Bush.

Then again, I'm sure some of you superlibs are major fans of Lyndon B, since his "Great Society" was some of the most overstepping Socialist shtein any President has ever tried to push on this country, with the exception of FDR.


The Bush administration sucks, but I'll say it again... any White House that "gets a lot done" ends up farging America.  Get the farging government out of my life as much as possible.

Cerevant

Of course Bush won't have a coup d'etat - there will just be a 9/11 scale attack weeks before the inauguration, and the question of continuity will come up.  They'll find a way to blow flowers up the public ass...they can make this all look absolutely necessary, and the public has been conditioned to accept it in the name of security.

But I don't think this is necessarily how it will play out.  If Rudy gets elected, you can expect more of the same.  While Bush might be cranky that he'll have to give up the wheel, the real powers behind the war mongering / fear mongering / power grabbing will still be in control.  If you don't think that will be the case, why is Rudy being called "Mr. 9/11"?

If significant change isn't made at the federal level, the economy will continue to tank.  US cars are losing market share, and the US dollar is continuing to tank.  The US people and US government continue to fall to debt.  The government tries to justify this by saying that the growth of the economy is keeping pace with the debt, so our "relative" debt stays the same.  BS in any case, but the economy isn't keeping pace - we continue to export manufacturing to China, skilled work is going to immigrants with H1-B visas, about the only stable industry in the US is the service industry: low wage and dependent upon travel and tourism.

What I fear is the collapse of the US economy, resulting in the dollar tanking / extreme inflation.  My guess is that if a Bush-like leader is in power when this happens, it is quite possible that the US could invade Canada to "secure our borders against terrorism" - oh, and the US might be able to make use of all that oil in Alberta. (Canada's immigration is open to skilled workers, resulting in a large number of Asian and Middle Eastern immigrants.)

The US needs to fix the US and stop trying to fix countries where has no political or moral authority.  Invest in alternative energy and fuels to reduce dependence upon foreign oil.  Invest in our technical infrastructure to return the US to leadership in innovation.  Reform trade unions so that US can compete with Canada and Mexico for manufacturing jobs.

Who am I kidding?  Never going to happen.
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

Diomedes

Right after 9/11, Guliani and the so-called patriots who supported him floated the idea that he stay past the end of his term "temporarily, of course," to deal with the crisis.  The world wouldn't have collapsed if that did happen, but smart folk were rightly scared by how little resistance the idea got from the masses, and Bushfolk were emboldened by the same.
There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." - Yosemite Park Ranger

ice grillin you

Besides Iraq, he's sucked fairly equally to many past Presidents

lololol..."besides iraq"....i seriously wanna punch you in the face for saying this...im not even joking

iraq = disaster of epic porportions
katrina
he has actually ok'ed arsenic in drinking water
reneging on promises to cap CO2 emissions
promoting torture and abusing the constitution
huge tax breaks to people who dont need them
eliminated americas standing amongst the rest of the world...farg...england doesnt even like us
eliminated clean up requirements for polluting mining and chemical companies
destroyed the countrys financial standing
incompetance regins at every psoition in the govt due to this clowns appointments
i could go on forever

criticisms can be drawn for every single politician who ever had a secret handshake and a midnight meeting in an obscure diner with a mexican guy with a large duffel bag...but bush fargs up the country on BIG ticket items.

sure clinton was slimy too....they all are...but clinton was sex and real estate....they arent so bad

certainly not as bad as raping and pillaging the earth

bush is like a man on fire to see how much damage he can do in the fastest amount of time possible

the country is a car and bush right before he was "elected" snorted a fargin bridge cable line of coke off the dashboard threw the vehicle in reverse and slammed the pedal without adjusting the mirrors

is he as bad as reagan...not sure...but dont EVER lump him in with a clinton or even his own father...theres no comparison in evil btwn bush and other former presidents
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Diomedes

Quote from: ice grillin you on July 15, 2007, 09:22:53 AM
Besides Iraq, he's sucked fairly equally to many past Presidents

lololol..."besides iraq"....i seriously wanna punch you in the face for saying this...im not even joking

iraq = disaster of epic porportions
katrina
he has actually ok'ed arsenic in drinking water
reneging on promises to cap CO2 emissions
promoting torture and abusing the constitution
huge tax breaks to people who dont need them
eliminated americas standing amongst the rest of the world...farg...england doesnt even like us
eliminated clean up requirements for polluting mining and chemical companies
destroyed the countrys financial standing
incompetance regins at every psoition in the govt due to this clowns appointments
i could go on forever

criticisms can be drawn for every single politician who ever had a secret handshake and a midnight meeting in an obscure diner with a mexican guy with a large duffel bag...but bush fargs up the country on BIG ticket items.

sure clinton was slimy too....they all are...but clinton was sex and real estate....they arent so bad

certainly not as bad as raping and pillaging the earth

bush is like a man on fire to see how much damage he can do in the fastest amount of time possible

the country is a car and bush right before he was "elected" snorted a fargin bridge cable line of coke off the dashboard threw the vehicle in reverse and slammed the pedal without adjusting the mirrors

is he as bad as reagan...not sure...but dont EVER lump him in with a clinton or even his own father...theres no comparison in evil btwn bush and other former presidents
There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." - Yosemite Park Ranger

Cerevant

I know - off topic, but this is what scares the hell out of my about Rudy Giuliani:

QuoteWe look upon authority too often and focus over and over again, for 30 or 40 or 50 years, as if there is something wrong with authority. We see only the oppressive side of authority. Maybe it comes out of our history and our background. What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

Rome

#581
LOL - why would that surprise you?

Giuliani was honing his Nazi routine 10 years ago in New York.


BTW: This little piece of Newspeak would be comical if it weren't so disturbing: 
QuoteFreedom is about authority.

:-D

ice grillin you

i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Rome

Hookers, porn & drug dealers >>>>> ESPN Zone.

Butchers Bill

#584
Quote from: Diomedes on July 14, 2007, 01:03:34 PM
Typical Bush apologist...again.


Seriously...is that all you have left?  Whenever someone points out that all the evil in the world did not start with the Bush administration you have to call them an apologist?  Thats just pathetic.  You are a shell of your former self Dio.

The blind hatred of Bush reminds me of another time...the 1990's.  Except that people blindly hated Clinton then.  There are plenty of reasons to hate Bush and his administration, but when someone posts a link about a policy that was started PRIOR to the Bush admin but insinuates that Bush personally started it is blind hatred.  It was stupid then and its stupid now.



I believe I've passed the age of consciousness and righteous rage
I found that just surviving was a noble fight.
I once believed in causes too,
I had my pointless point of view,
And life went on no matter who was wrong or right.