U.S. Iraq war casualties reach new milestone

[PhillyPhanInDC]

I never said I was down for the withdrawl of all forces. I never said I thought it was a good idea to walk away from the mess we've made. What I was trying to imply is that if you are behind staying and finishing the job, but consider the cost useless information, you are a jackass.

[Butchers Bill]

the only way to truly support the troops is to end the invasion and bring the survivors home.

I know from personal experience that 95% of the troops disagree with you.

[Diomedes]

Sure you do.

[rjs246]

Three words.

Tactical Nuclear Strike.

Pull the troops out. Flatten the entire region. Drink a cocktail.

[Butchers Bill]

Sure you do.

Well you see, unlike you I do not hate the the troops, and I have had the great honor to serve in our armed forces...an organization you loathe.  I have also been around military folks my entire life (lived on bases, near bases and served), something you would never dare "lower" yourself to.

So yes, I do.

[rjs246]

You're both wrong. There.

[JTrotter Fan]

I never said I was down for the withdrawl of all forces. I never said I thought it was a good idea to walk away from the mess we've made. What I was trying to imply is that if you are behind staying and finishing the job, but consider the cost useless information, you are a jackass.

Actually, i don't like the fact that our troops are being killed.  My post was merely intended to piss off idiots like you.  I love controversy!!

[Phanatic]

The problem I see there is that it isn't just Al Qaeda your fighting there. Your fighting 1000 year old tribal grudges and religious differences. They are killing each other in the name of Shia, Sunni or by who sold bad cheese on top of the Al Qaeda thing. If you pull out they'll just escalate the killing of each other and probably have themselves a nice all out civil war.

If you really care for the Iraqi civilians then pulling out guarantees that more of them die. Staying there guarantees more troops die.

Of course I'm trying to figure out what is wrong with letting them just have at each other aside from trashing our bull shtein do good image.

Making this issue black or white is the real problem when everything is just shades of grey.

[PhillyPhanInDC]

Actually, i don't like the fact that our troops are being killed.  My post was merely intended to piss off idiots like you.  I love controversy!!

But you obviously take issue with someone pointing out they are in fact people, kids mostly, that are dying. Makes sense.

[mussa]

I never said I was down for the withdrawl of all forces. I never said I thought it was a good idea to walk away from the mess we've made. What I was trying to imply is that if you are behind staying and finishing the job, but consider the cost useless information, you are a jackass.

the cost! the cost! what we should be saving our pennies. prez. bush should of thought about alot of things including the cost when that jackass went in there. he didn't. at this point were screwed, we're already in debt, its not going to get better only worse. thank the administration for this. no matter what the cost we have to stay. if we pull out, then we wasted everything. does that make any sense? it does to me. i'd rather see us pay more and try to get things remotely right over there than to just pull out and to have done it all for nothing. 

[PhillyPhanInDC]

the cost! the cost! what we should be saving our pennies. prez. bush should of thought about alot of things including the cost when that jackass went in there. he didn't. at this point were screwed, we're already in debt, its not going to get better only worse. thank the administration for this. no matter what the cost we have to stay. if we pull out, then we wasted everything. does that make any sense? it does to me. i'd rather see us pay more and try to get things remotely right over there than to just pull out and to have done it all for nothing.

By cost I was refering to was human life. Not pennies. But you must have known that.

I can't begin to explain how much it angers me when I hear people spouting off about how the we have to stay no matter the "cost" (people's lives, time, money, etc.). Have it impact your life. A brother's, sister's, parent's, or friend's life ending or being destroyed by it. Waking up with nightmares, having panic attacks when walking into dark rooms, etc., then say it is worth the cost.

[mussa]

nobody forces you to join the military these days you know. its a shame they have to go through this, im not argueing that. ive read books about NAM, Desert Storm and the current, its horrible what the troops and civilians alike have to go through. but one thing wil never change in human nature and thats greed, money and power.  there will always be conflict for power and religion will almost always be behind it also. 

[Butchers Bill]

Eventually the Iraqis have to stand up and fight for themselves, and we should (privately) tell them on "x" date we are leaving and you are on your own.  Continue to provide air support, but no more ground troops after the "x" date.

[mussa]

ya know thats sounds like a good idea, but honestly i don't think it is ever going to work over there. history proves it. if that area wasn't rich in religion and oil. we wouldn't be there, nor would anyone else. it would be like africa. no resources and a whole lot of death, disease and genocide.

[Phanatic]

Eventually the Iraqis have to stand up and fight for themselves, and we should (privately) tell them on "x" date we are leaving and you are on your own.  Continue to provide air support, but no more ground troops after the "x" date.

They'll stand up and fight for themselves. Unfortunatly it will be against each other.