U.S. Iraq war casualties reach new milestone

[phillymic2000]

to be honest i do care more about american lives then Iraqi lives, just like they care more about their own lives then ours. I just find it strange that you throw out that number only when the US is involved with Iraq, where were you when Saddam was doing his own killing? Where is the civilian body count before the US was involved in the country, when Saddam and his thugs murdered their own? thats why I get frustrated with your one sided rants against the US and it's people, we are not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but then again everyone is trying to get into the US instead of out of it, so there may just be some good things we have to offer here in the land of the big bad satan..

[Diomedes]

to be honest i do care more about american lives then Iraqi lives, just like they care more about their own lives then ours.

It's a round world.  Wake up.

I just find it strange that you throw out that number only when the US is involved with Iraq, where were you when Saddam was doing his own killing? Where is the civilian body count before the US was involved in the country, when Saddam and his thugs murdered their own?

The blood then was on Saddam's hands, not ours.  (Well, except we funded and armed him, but that's another story.)  These civilian deaths are squarely on our hands.  If they're gonna be killed anyway--and they were NOT dying at this rate--then why does it have to be us doing it?

thats why I get frustrated with your one sided rants against the US and it's people, we are not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but then again everyone is trying to get into the US instead of out of it, so there may just be some good things we have to offer here in the land of the big bad satan..

My "rants" seem one sided only because you and most Americans have never bothered to look at any other side than U.S.A!!  U.S.A!!

Chickens come home to roost.  Wake up.

[Diomedes]

And one last thing:  most days, you have no idea what's going over there.  You couldn't tell someone how many U.S. soldiers have died, much less any other important fact.  Farging wake up and pay attention, even if you can only muster the attention for "your own people."

[ice grillin you]

I just find it strange that you throw out that number only when the US is involved with Iraq, where were you when Saddam was doing his own killing? Where is the civilian body count before the US was involved in the country, when Saddam and his thugs murdered their own?

by that premise we should bring back the draft and have all the draftees as well as every single member of current military in sudan RIGHT NOW...but that would be helping africans....instead we war...

cause without war we wouldnt be on these precious computers right now...take a peek around...war built this...it elminates our poor people and makes lots of money for the already wealthy...oh saadam sprayed chemicals on his own people...whats the difference btwn that and handing an indian a blanket with small pox...bottom line get rid of the 'undesireables' and stack chedder...mo money mo money mo money

now on the count of three everyone go grab a gun and kill some brown people

[Rome]

Dio... I agree with your sentiments concerning the horrible waste of human life that has occured in Iraq due in no small part to the Bush Administration's idiotic post-war strategies for reconstruction.

However, I seriously doubt that American military personnel are responsible for those 30-some thousand deaths.   Insurgents from outside Iraq and Iraqis loyal to the former regime are the ones blowing up people on a daily basis, not American soldiers.

Have innocent human beings been killed by American soldiers?  Of course they have.  That happens in war especially in a walking clusterfarg of a military misadventure such as this one.  But if you're suggesting that American military personnel are responsible for the lion's share of those deaths (and it appears that you are)... sorry, Im not buying that.

In any event, I still support the men and women who are charged with defending our country, and I believe that they're doing the best that they can, especially considering the fact that their commander in chief is an abject failure as a military leader.

[phillymic2000]

It's a round world.  Wake up.

It is since when? Why is it that when someone voices an opinion that you don't follow you get all bent out of shape. I was being honest abouth the fact that I care about and for the safety and health of American citizens first. Why is that a bad thing? I never said I could care less about Iraq or their people, I try and read and watch a good amount of different reports about the world to keep an open look at things. 

The blood then was on Saddam's hands, not ours.  (Well, except we funded and armed him, but that's another story.)  These civilian deaths are squarely on our hands.  If they're gonna be killed anyway--and they were NOT dying at this rate--then why does it have to be us doing it?

We are not the only ones responsible for the deaths, there are terrorists, rival religious factions etc... And I understand we armed him in his fight against Iran. I have not done a lot of reserch on it, but every site i have seen puts more deaths on avg. during Saddam's time then during our war.

My "rants" seem one sided only because you and most Americans have never bothered to look at any other side than U.S.A!!  U.S.A!!

No your rants are one sided cause that what they are, one sided. I do look at other sides, I am an American, I am going to do and think what is best for my country first, why would I care more about Mexico, or Iraq, or Russia more then the USA? That does not mean I could care less about the world or the people in it. Where are your rants on Darfur and all the issues that the UN is having with the alleged rapes, if that was US soldiers you'd be all over it.

[phillymic2000]

by that premise we should bring back the draft and have all the draftees as well as every single member of current military in sudan RIGHT NOW...but that would be helping africans....instead we war...

cause without war we wouldnt be on these precious computers right now...take a peek around...war built this...it elminates our poor people and makes lots of money for the already wealthy...oh saadam sprayed chemicals on his own people...whats the difference btwn that and handing an indian a blanket with small pox...bottom line get rid of the 'undesireables' and stack chedder...mo money mo money mo money

now on the count of three everyone go grab a gun and kill some brown people

IGY I agree with you on Darfur and the need for intervention, the UN has accomplished nothing over there. We should be going to that region to help especially when we have called this a genocide, but then again we didn't help last time either. your last statement is just wrong.

[mussa]

Insurgents have killed alot of Iraqi people.  Then you always have the fact that why are the insurgents there in the first place? We are there.  I think going to Iraq was good and all to take out Saddam, but this admin didn't think too hard about the aftermath. The real problem is terrorist groups all over the middle-east and the gov't's who turn a blind eye to them.  I felt we should of stayed our ground in going after terrorist groups instead of dealing wih 1 dictator and an entire country/government.  Bottom line is their is not much profit in going after terrorists since they are borderless nomads who care about nothing other than martyrdom and killing christians and jews.  Why not bomb Iraq since daddy didn't finish the job? We can re-build it and make a profit from it, well the rich can, not the common person, we'll pay for it with deaths to our friends, sons, daughters, husbands and taxes out of our pockets.  Why didn't the government choose to create federal jobs to help rebuild Iraq? There would of been one way to employe some of the jobless americans who desperately need the money.
   

[MadMarchHare]

It's a round world.  Wake up.

It is since when? Why is it that when someone voices an opinion that you don't follow you get all bent out of shape. I was being honest abouth the fact that I care about and for the safety and health of American citizens first. Why is that a bad thing? I never said I could care less about Iraq or their people, I try and read and watch a good amount of different reports about the world to keep an open look at things. 

The blood then was on Saddam's hands, not ours.  (Well, except we funded and armed him, but that's another story.)  These civilian deaths are squarely on our hands.  If they're gonna be killed anyway--and they were NOT dying at this rate--then why does it have to be us doing it?

We are not the only ones responsible for the deaths, there are terrorists, rival religious factions etc... And I understand we armed him in his fight against Iran. I have not done a lot of reserch on it, but every site i have seen puts more deaths on avg. during Saddam's time then during our war.

My "rants" seem one sided only because you and most Americans have never bothered to look at any other side than U.S.A!!  U.S.A!!

No your rants are one sided cause that what they are, one sided. I do look at other sides, I am an American, I am going to do and think what is best for my country first, why would I care more about Mexico, or Iraq, or Russia more then the USA? That does not mean I could care less about the world or the people in it. Where are your rants on Darfur and all the issues that the UN is having with the alleged rapes, if that was US soldiers you'd be all over it.

I think his point is that when Saddam was in power, all the other factions were kept in line because he was the bully in the schoolyard.  In a wolf pack, when you kill the alpha male, the rest begin to fight for dominance.  That's what is happening in Iraq, and it's happening because WE removed the alpha male.

[mussa]

Humans have reasoning and thought, thats why we shouldn't act like wolfs.  Yet we somehow manage to abandon thought and reason and continue to act like monkeys when it comes to war.  Amazing.

[Phanatic]

Unfortunatly Bushco bought their own press and went in there without a true plan to "win the peace". Now it is a mess. I didn't like the previous arrangement where the US was left to keep Iraq boxed in for ten years. That had to cost us billions and it was a useless UN mandate. No fly zones.. please. So I don't know what the answer should have been.

Any action in Africa will have the same problems that you see in Iraq now. Tribal factions with thousands of years of animosity fighting each other for who knows what. Religion is probably the most frequent recent reason in Iraq and Africa. Putting American men and women in the middle of that kind of mess is not a good idea and it is the reason the world backed off in Gulph War I. It is also the reason why the UN doesn't really do anything in Africa, though they are trying to use African member countries to do the work on the ground there.

I don't know. I just don't think troops trained for battle should be tasked to administer a country in the midst of a civil war. Guess that's just me...

[Diomedes]

That had to cost us billions and it was a useless UN mandate. No fly zones.. please. So I don't know what the answer should have been.

The cost in dollars was nothing close to what we're spending now--and by "we" I DO mean you and I--around 200 million per day.  Moreover..the sanctions, inspections and no fly zones worked.  Saddamn had no WMDs, and no airforce (or anti-air capacity) when the U.S. went in.

[Phanatic]

Because we bombed every SAM Site he tried to move below the line and we shot down every jet he sent up to try and shoot down patrols. I say "we" because I was there patroling the no fly zone on and off from 1990 - 1995. So was the US and Britain supposed to keep a lid on the guy for the next 50 years? I'm not saying the invasion was the right answer either. It is hard to say because Bushco has mishandled everything after the invasion. What I am saying is that the situation before Gulph War II was unacceptable too. There wasn't an easy answer and it isn't always a conspiracy for the US to take over the world. Some times it just being inept and that is what I think happened here.

[JTrotter Fan]

And one last thing:  most days, you have no idea what's going over there.  You couldn't tell someone how many U.S. soldiers have died, much less any other important fact.  Farging wake up and pay attention, even if you can only muster the attention for "your own people."

Maybe you can apply for a government job as their official war statistician. 

[Diomedes]

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