The 'Mass-Shooting In The US' thread

[Geowhizzer]

To support my point that even the best trained and armed security service couldn't stop a shooting, so the idea that rent-a-cops and art teachers with guns would prevent mass shootings is fantasy.

I do disagree.  Fort Hood was armed to the teeth.  So is the the Secret Service.  Columbine had armed guards.  None of which prevented attack.

Never give the art teacher at my school a gun.  We'd have 100 fewer students by 4th period.

[PhillyPhanInDC]

this notion that random American citizen with a gun is some effective deterrent is nothing more than wishful thinking.

lol

[Munson]

It is. There is no evidence that supports that having a gun owner in the area of a mass shooting has any better chance of stopping said shooter than it does of resulting in more injuries.

[PhillyPhanInDC]

So now it's mass shootings only? I thought we were talking crime in general.

[Munson]

I thought we were talking gun crime, more specifically murder, considering it was coming off of the assassination attempt/Secret Service talk.

[ice grillin you]

one of the nice perks of the presidency is having to worry about your family being killed 24/7...its one of the main reasons people run for the office

[PhillyPhanInDC]

Okay, so now that we have a context, your argument is that persons carrying firearms, concealed or otherwise, do not serve as a deterrent or mitigation factor in crimes, correct?

[ice grillin you]

To support my point that even the best trained and armed security service couldn't stop a shooting, so the idea that rent-a-cops and art teachers with guns would prevent mass shootings is fantasy.

I do disagree.  Fort Hood was armed to the teeth.  So is the the Secret Service.  Columbine had armed guards.  None of which prevented attack.

cops were murdered in a police station in south jerz last month.....i think we need armed guards at police stations thruout the country

GUNS!!

[Munson]

Okay, so now that we have a context, your argument is that persons carrying firearms, concealed or otherwise, do not serve as a deterrent or mitigation factor in crimes, correct?

No, my argument was that it wouldn't be any more likely to stop a murder from happening as it would be in resulting in further injury or destruction. Especially in some of the panic-inducing scenarios that many pro-gun people have been bringing up (ie "If only that principal or a teacher was armed that day")

Crime in general, I do not know. Guns can certainly be a deterrent to robbery, but even that relies on the owner and the conditions of the scenario. Crime goes deeper than just whether people have a gun or not....it's a cultural thing. There are countries who have very strict gun laws and very low crime overall, and countries with very strict gun laws that have higher rates of other crime. There's also the issue of poverty and crime, and how our efforts to lower crime might be better focused if we stopped worrying about arming the populous and started worrying more about getting people out of poverty.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Another one...

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/20/justice/new-mexico-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

A teenage boy faces murder and other charges in the shooting deaths of a man, a woman and three children in a home on the outskirts of Albuquerque, New Mexico, authorities said Sunday.

Investigators were still combing over the home on the southwestern edge of the city where investigators found the victims Saturday night, said Deputy Aaron Williamson, a spokesman for the Bernalillo County Sheriff's Department. It was unclear whether the teenager now in custody is related to the victims, nor would Williamson disclose whether the victims -- who included two boys and a girl -- were related.

Williamson said each victim had been shot multiple times. Several guns were found inside the home, including a "military-style" rifle he said had been used in the crime.

The teen is being charged with two counts of murder and three counts of child abuse resulting in death, the sheriff's department said. He was arrested after being questioned at the sheriff's office and is likely to be arraigned on Tuesday, Williamson said.

Neither the victims' nor the suspect's identities had been released Sunday afternoon.

[ice grillin you]

protecting your family

[reese125]

2 shot possibly 3 wounded at Lone Star Community college in Texas today

students and faculty on lockdown

[PhillyPhreak54]

Yep - not too far from my work. One of my coworkers daughter goes there.

News says that it appears it started as an argument...GUNS!!!!

[SunMo]

i'm sure when they say argument it was an all american great dad protecting his family from a gang of thugs

[PhillyPhreak54]

http://www.khou.com/news/Reports-of-shooting-at-Lone-Star-College-in-North-Harris-County-187912461.html

Those two men both ended up with gunshot wounds, and one of them shot and wounded a maintenance man who was an innocent bystander, according to acting Harris County Sheriff Armando Tello.

A law enforcement source said the gunman shot the man he was arguing with, then accidentally shot himself in the buttocks.

Lone Star College student Brittany Mobley said she saw the whole thing happen.

"I saw two dudes basically get into an altercation and the dude that shot, he basically got angry and started shooting the other guy," said Mobley. "A lot of people heard a lot of shots."

Mobley said the suspect had the gun hidden in his clothes.

"Basically, I seen the dude that shot him and as soon as I heard the bullets flying and the gun being fired off, then everyone started running and it was a hint for me to start running as well," Mobley said.

1. the shooter shot himself in the ass
2. this girl needs remedial English classes pronto - and if you told he she could not say basically or dude anymore she'd be crushed
3. GUNS!