the Jalen draft
What...the...farg
Whoops - GF, do your magic and delete mine. Dio was first!
Meanwhile, regarding Hurts... ???
this what BPA means I guess
Huh?
jesus boy put on notice
Maybe they are thinking he's their Taysom Hill.
maybe the worst pick in the history of the draft
Quote from: Diomedes on April 24, 2020, 08:41:49 PM
the Jalen draft
That's what I was figuring their strategy, draft everyone named jalen. Somewhere Brightfuture Kolb approves this pick.
I long for the days when the Eagles would pick guys like Jalen Reagor.
I'm not even gonna comment. Don't have nice things to say.
I'm at the car wash and pick up my phone to about 17 texts all of "wtf"
People who complain that Wentz is fragile should be pleased.
whats crazy is that this draft is so deep and there were so many good players there
hurts is a player you take when you run out of good players available
Injecting bleach is not looking so bad right now...
it makes perfect sense....wentz isnt making another contract
they are going to get 2-3 more years out him then move to hurts. in the meanwhile hurts will do some gimmick shtein.
i am not defending this or supporting this. but this is why they did it. they view hurts as a long term starter and do not trust that wentz can play into his 30s at a high level.
I'm cheering for Miami this pending season.
i cant tell if you are being serious with the wentz replacement shtein but if you are you are the dumbest mother farger on the planet
Let's talk for a minute about Hurts himself tho: good player?
I don't watch college football. I would imagine given the schools he played for, he's a legit QB prospect, no?
Nevermind whether they need some other player or whatever..this the player they took.
Who needs CB S and LB?
Surely not Doug and Howard F Roseman.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 24, 2020, 08:59:57 PM
Let's talk for a minute about Hurts himself tho: good player?
I don't watch college football. I would imagine given the schools he played for, he's a legit QB prospect, no?
Nevermind whether they need some other player or whatever..this the player they took.
he stinks....will never be an nfl qb
maybe a solid slot receiver
short yardage guy
inside the five guy
all neat stuff....second rounder tho is preposterous
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2020, 08:58:49 PM
i cant tell if you are being serious with the wentz replacement shtein but if you are you are the dumbest mother farger on the planet
there is no other logical explanation for this pick without it. howie isnt dumb enough to take tysom hill in the 2nd round or take some qb they can flip for a future 3 in 2023. they have to view hurts as a potential starter and envisioned a scenario where he gets the keys and they move wentz.
if that is not in their plans at all then this is the worst pick in the history of all drafts including fantasy
I'm not discussing the merits of Jalen Hurts.
IGY nailed it. Worst pick in the history of the sport. Utterly ridiculous. This dwarfs Marcus Smith or Kevin Allen or the farging Canadian fire watcher.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 24, 2020, 09:01:35 PM
Who needs CB S and LB?
Surely not Doug and Howard F Roseman.
You forgot DE.
But anyway. They took Hurts.
So we addressed punt returner and back up qb so far...guess we're taking a long snapper in the 3rd
Second round option QB trick play dude
That's what the farging fourth round is for. Well actually they burned one of those too last year on that flaming bag of shtein Clayton Thorson
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2020, 09:02:19 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on April 24, 2020, 08:59:57 PM
Let's talk for a minute about Hurts himself tho: good player?
I don't watch college football. I would imagine given the schools he played for, he's a legit QB prospect, no?
Nevermind whether they need some other player or whatever..this the player they took.
he stinks....will never be an nfl qb
maybe a solid slot receiver
short yardage guy
inside the five guy
all neat stuff....second rounder tho is preposterous
This times a million
Part of me is holding out hope they're flipping him to the Jags for Ngawouke but I think we would have heard rumblings by now
QuoteKiper sees more upside in Hurts, however:
"I'm more optimistic here. I don't think Hurts is going to be a first-round pick, but he could land in Round 2 if he keeps playing this well. I want to see him against the Longhorns and better competition the rest of the way. Remember, he is doing this for an OU team that replaced four starters along the offensive line and lost its best receiver in Marquise Brown, who was drafted in Round 1 by the Baltimore Ravens. I don't think Hurts is a fluke. He's legit."
Strange pick, hoping for the Taysom Hill strategy
I love Jalen. One of my favorite college players ever. But I never thought he was a legit nfl prospect. Incredibly strong. Durable. Never read the field well. Hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: MDS on April 24, 2020, 09:02:28 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2020, 08:58:49 PM
i cant tell if you are being serious with the wentz replacement shtein but if you are you are the dumbest mother farger on the planet
there is no other logical explanation for this pick without it. howie isnt dumb enough to take tysom hill in the 2nd round or take some qb they can flip for a future 3 in 2023. they have to view hurts as a potential starter and envisioned a scenario where he gets the keys and they move wentz.
if that is not in their plans at all then this is the worst pick in the history of all drafts including fantasy
you know its actually a worse pick if they took him to be their future starting QB over carson wentz than if they did for trick play offense reasons?
Even if he is the next Taysom Hill that novelty on offense isn't worth a 2nd round pick/backup
Quote from: AO1 on April 24, 2020, 09:05:35 PM
Part of me is holding out hope they're flipping him to the Jags for Ngawouke but I think we would have heard rumblings by now
Now that is interesting!
Quote from: AO1 on April 24, 2020, 09:09:05 PM
Even if he is the next Taysom Hill that novelty on offense isn't worth a 2nd round pick/backup
exactly, which is why they took him to be the starter. or at least this is a possible scenario. then its worth it...but you better be right that hes going to be SPECIAL and yea 0 people think this.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2020, 09:08:45 PMyou know its actually a worse pick if they took him to be their future starting QB over carson wentz than if they did for trick play offense reasons?
theoretically you are never wrong to take a qb should that qb turn out to be really good. will hurts be really good? no. but they obviously seem to think so.
HE CANNOT PLAY QB IN THE NFL
he could barely play it in college
https://twitter.com/ChipChantry/status/1253854017467318272
Great, we have 43 more picks to sit through
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2020, 09:13:43 PM
HE CANNOT PLAY QB IN THE NFL
he could barely play it in college
you should tell the gm of the eagles
wrong jew
Quote from: MDS on April 24, 2020, 09:12:34 PM
Quote from: AO1 on April 24, 2020, 09:09:05 PM
Even if he is the next Taysom Hill that novelty on offense isn't worth a 2nd round pick/backup
exactly, which is why they took him to be the starter. or at least this is a possible scenario. then its worth it...but you better be right that hes going to be SPECIAL and yea 0 people think this.
honest question who said he was going to be special at anything?
Quote from: MDS on April 24, 2020, 09:16:39 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2020, 09:13:43 PM
HE CANNOT PLAY QB IN THE NFL
he could barely play it in college
you should tell the gm of the eagles
wrong jew
this jew said this
Quote from: MDS on April 24, 2020, 08:56:28 PM
it makes perfect sense....wentz isnt making another contract
they are going to get 2-3 more years out him then move to hurts.
nobody
didnt mean you as in marginassi...you as in anybody
nobody takes a qb in the 2nd round to be a 1 contract backup/trade bait and gimmick player. they are drafted to be starters. i dont know how else to look at this.
Quote from: AO1 on April 24, 2020, 09:04:11 PM
So we addressed punt returner and back up qb so far...guess we're taking a long snapper in the 3rd
That's the secret plan why they drafted Hurts. He's also going to be the long snapper. Dual threat. Hope this is all coming together for everyone now.
i take back everything. the eagles are going to reinvent football
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Quote from: MDS on April 24, 2020, 09:21:06 PM
nobody
didnt mean you as in marginassi...you as in anybody
nobody takes a qb in the 2nd round to be a 1 contract backup/trade bait and gimmick player. they are drafted to be starters. i dont know how else to look at this.
i know you didnt mean me im saying it it was you that said its a defensible maybe even a good pick if hes a carson replacement which is ludicrous
The only scenario that makes sense is they've either given up on AO1 and will use Hurts as his replacement or they took him for someone else.
I mean it's insane in every possible sense of the word, but it is plausible.
If Howie picked him as a gimmick, then he gotta go.
This sums it up nicely
Quoteeaglesb_logo.gif Philadelphia Eagles: Jalen Hurts, QB, Alabama - O'BRIEN- Grade
What the hell is this? Unless the Eagles have a trade lined up where they can ship Jalen Hurts, this makes absolutely no sense, and I think Howie Roseman has lost his mind. There's no reason to take a quarterback here, period, with Carson Wentz not even in his prime yet. And yet, this is a major reach. Jalen Hurts' ceiling is very low, so he should've been a fourth-round pick. This is the worst pick of the draft so far unless a trade is pending.
Eagles plan to try to win games 42-40
Defense? For who? For what?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 24, 2020, 09:39:56 PM
Eagles plan to try to win games 42-40
Defense? For who? For what?
can they win 17-42?
on what planet are they scoring even 30
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Secret footage from the Eagles virtual war room.
How many first round picks can Howie get for Wentz? :paranoid
Quote from: MDS on April 24, 2020, 09:45:43 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 24, 2020, 09:39:56 PM
Eagles plan to try to win games 42-40
Defense? For who? For what?
can they win 17-42?
on what planet are they scoring even 30
I said try.
Quote from: Rome on April 24, 2020, 09:39:06 PM
The only scenario that makes sense is they've either given up on AO1 and will use Hurts as his replacement
make it farging stop
They paid ginger jesus a ton of money and now they're gonna take him off the field for how many snaps a game to get gimmicky?
Odds that the term "quarterback factory" will replace "gold standard" in Eagles infamy?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 24, 2020, 09:51:16 PM
They paid ginger jesus a ton of money and now they're gonna take him off the field for how many snaps a game to get gimmicky?
normally crazy J the sane one
My theory is Howie assumes this season isn't happening so farg it
after reading the howie quotes....he is either the dumbest human being on the planet or they hate carson
there cant be anything else
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2020, 09:54:42 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 24, 2020, 09:51:16 PM
They paid ginger jesus a ton of money and now they're gonna take him off the field for how many snaps a game to get gimmicky?
normally crazy J the sane one
Not drinking for a few weeks done farged with my head
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 24, 2020, 10:07:11 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2020, 09:54:42 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 24, 2020, 09:51:16 PM
They paid ginger jesus a ton of money and now they're gonna take him off the field for how many snaps a game to get gimmicky?
normally crazy J the sane one
Not drinking for a few weeks done farged with my head
lol
you ok?
i dont think anybody is saying anything other than that. thats the plan for now.
in 4 years they have to be thinking hurts is a starting caliber player. have to. they will never admit it of course, but they know what carson's medicals look like.
i am not in favor of ANY of this but just trying to get inside howie's mind
Just gave the most awkward pc/interview. Avoided every question...someone maybe Barkann said "you're avoiding all these questions" then asked him something he didn't answer. I somewhat feel bad for the kid. He didn't know Howies last name and said I'll just call him Mr Howie
Quote from: AO1 on April 24, 2020, 10:46:04 PM
Just gave the most awkward pc/interview. Avoided every question...someone maybe Barkann said "you're avoiding all these questions" then asked him something he didn't answer. I somewhat feel bad for the kid. He didn't know Howies last name and said I'll just call him Mr Howie
it was super cringe
this is the best day of his life and hes going to a team with a franchise qb, a team he didnt expect to be picked by and has zero idea how hell be used or what this means for his career.
what a disaster of a franchise
He's from Beaumont TX
Different folks out that way
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2020, 10:12:32 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 24, 2020, 10:07:11 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2020, 09:54:42 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 24, 2020, 09:51:16 PM
They paid ginger jesus a ton of money and now they're gonna take him off the field for how many snaps a game to get gimmicky?
normally crazy J the sane one
Not drinking for a few weeks done farged with my head
lol
you ok?
I will be tomorrow when I have a little nip
This draft is the weirdest way the NFL could have announced they're closing forever.
Howie said their philosophy is qbs are valuable and they're a qb factory
I'm not shteinting you
It's important to develop multiple qbs at the highest level when only one can play at a time. Let's keep churning them out
Feel bad for dude seems like a good kid with a great attitude
https://www.facebook.com/120163518021430/posts/2968243746546712/?vh=e&d=n
People will get over this as soon as Wentz stubs his toe in pre season and Hurts lights it up.
And then we can have a QB controversy again.
Sounds fun.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 25, 2020, 12:00:31 AM
People will get over this as soon as Wentz stubs his toe in pre season and Hurts lights it up.
uhhhhh
On WIP it'll be "yo Ang...ya know that Wentz can't stay healthy. Ya gotta go with the kid Hurts."
rare w on the take from 5
nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/2020-nfl-draft-donovan-mcnabb-jalen-hurts-pick-carson-wentz-health
Really thought when I woke up this morning this pick was just a bad dream
food for thought: wentz is one hit to the head away from being scrambled brains
https://twitter.com/MikeSielski/status/1254046165391286280
Also possible that Wentz told the team he might retire in a couple years to go hand out Bibles in Haiti.
Schefter sounds like a Trump supporter trying to rationalize his stupidity:
QuoteNow, in this day and age, I've had teams tell me it's more important than ever to have a backup quarterback in this pandemic. We're going to be playing next year, coronavirus is out there, Covid-19 - what if your quarterback gets the virus? It's an interesting situation here. I think there are more problems now than ever before, and now I think teams are looking to shore up the most important position in this sport, and that's why the Eagles did that.
thats the shtein hes getting from howie. breer and hackoport got other shtein too. after the leaking to the national dudes im 100% on howie being just completely braindead.
legit took a project in the 2nd round because qb factory depth. literally the worst pick in draft history.
The universal hatred for this move is tickling my contrarian instinct.
I feel bad for the guy.
He may need a friend.
Diomedes is here for you, Jalen. When you ball out and the whole league is talking about how to stop the Eagles, I'll be here. As in, my basement. On :CF. Asking what channel the game is on.
love the pick.
If your quarterback gets the virus, the rest of your team is getting it too. What a stupid argument for anything.
Aren't the QB lockers usually right next to each other? Lol Hurts would be the most likely to get it if Wentz got it
This guy is going to be the first Eagles backup QB that fans aren't going to be chanting for when the starter plays poorly.
AO1 would pray the virus away anyways
Regarding the complaint about how much draft capital was "wasted":
People act as though 2nd rounders are sure things, And worse, that Eagles 2nd rounders are sure things.
In reality, the draft is almost a total crapshoot, with only the slightest veneer of order.
I love that everyone hates the pick, to be honest. Makes me think Howie might be onto something.
Which is worse, missing on a 2nd round pick or passing on a gamechanger? Maybe this kid wrecks shtein in the NFC East.
That's what I'm going with anyway. He's going to prove everyone wrong and the Eagles are going to mop teams up for a few years.
Goddamnit.
so the way to avoid drafting someone who will not pan out is to take a day one back up at a position you dont need....seems like a cowardly strategy to not be wrong
first rounders dont always work out either...maybe next time just forfeit your turn there...if you dont pick you cant be wrong!
You will suck my meatcicle when Hurts makes Lamar look like Tebow and Howie like Ozzie.
https://twitter.com/4thandJawn/status/1255884730697945088
checking in on how the kkk board reacted to this pick
QuoteLol at the eagles. Jew boy roseman is a moron. Wentz is young and they draft this flash in the pan.
More non-white qbs than white qbs drafted so far.
Jesus Christ! Is that a real post? One small backwards step for man, one giant leap for trailer park nation. Unreal. Hope that farg stick makes it back to the Walmart for the Memorial Day special on wife beaters.
You can all order your Hurts jerseys now he's wearing #2 (which is hilarious on different levels)
Someone is seeing "significant" playing time tomorrow night.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30412550/sources-philadelphia-eagles-rookie-jalen-hurts-getting-first-team-reps-qb?platform=amp
If it's like those increased rollouts for Wentz, he might get a whole play to himself.
I hate these plays with Hurts at QB/taking the snap and Carson lined up wide...never once have they thrown to Carson to keep the defense honest...and even if they did he's so f'n slow, can't run a route, etc...he's not even a ghost of a threat...thirty some times they've done this crap and all they are doing is giving the D an extra man for the play
Hey, you can't risk a turnover by giving the ball to Wentz. Imagine what that would do to the psyche of a young quarterback.
https://twitter.com/insidebirds/status/1333533790820560902 21
Quote from: Diomedes on November 29, 2020, 10:56:18 AM
I hate these plays with Hurts at QB/taking the snap and Carson lined up wide...never once have they thrown to Carson to keep the defense honest...and even if they did he's so f'n slow, can't run a route, etc...he's not even a ghost of a threat...thirty some times they've done this crap and all they are doing is giving the D an extra man for the play
I see that once tonight it's a self induced ice pick to the eyes. That play is a slap in the face to everyone. "Hey look folks! We are using Hurts in this really cool formation that has netted maybe half a yard all season! And just wait to you see what we have in store for two point conversions! Ya'll happy?"
QuoteEagles' HC Doug Pederson is naming Jalen Hurts his new starting quarterback and the rookie will start Sunday vs. the New Orleans Saints, sources tell @mortreport and me. Carson Wentz now will back up Hurts.
Wow.
Well, I did not expect that.
He got crucified.
Congratulations to Wentz for finally making it through a season physically healthy. He's mentally farged, but baby steps.
^^LMFAO!^^
Let's Go Russell Wils..., ah, er, ahh I mean Let's Go Jalen Hurts! Sorry, Howie moment there.
the jalen hurts era might start and end this week...it's pretty unreal how good the saints d is right now...since October I think? I read they have given up 2 pass td's and had 9 ints
Saints d is legit
I'm way more interested in this game with Hurts playing. Part is the unknown...part the team got a boost when he came in...part it'll be a nice break from Wentz getting swallowed in the pocket
Hurts will be able to at least move outside the pocket instead of back pedaling and taking brutal sacks
Morbid curiosity might have gotten me through half this game with Wentz in here. He could easy have had a 7 pick, 9 sack game.
Second QB to rush for 100+ in his first start, after Lamar.
New Orleans D is 4th in the league in sacks this season. Hurts was not sacked yesterday.
Second QB ever to upset a team on a 9+ win streak in his first start. The first to do it was Jaws in the last game of the 1975 season, with the Rams, beating the Steelers. Jaws scored the only TD of the game, on a 2 yard rush.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 14, 2020, 09:56:48 AM
New Orleans D is 4th in the league in sacks this season. Hurts was not sacked yesterday.
How many times did you say to yourself "Wentz would have taken a sack there" when Hurts threw it away or scrambled. At least 5 times I can remember.
I didn't see the game.
What's this "throwing it away" you speak of? That's a thing?
For anyone that cares, switched number to 1.
Should have gone with 11, since Wentz switched to 2.
he wanted to hit the amount of wins they have next year and was like I'll take the under
He's going to feel so foolish when they go 8-8-1 and make the playoffs.
Dio finally has someone to cheer for.
I don't really care what Chris Simms thinks but it's still astounding that he doesn't have jalen hurts in his top 40 and it's not good for jalen hurts...cause it's not crazy and if you thought it was you might scream at him for not having him 35
https://twitter.com/csimmsqb/status/1407871601987706880 21
He has Tom Brady at 10. But yeah, great list, Chris, especially because without his daddy's name, he'd be cleaning windows at the local sparkle & shine car wash right now.
If Tua is actually only the 34th best QB, that's better for the Eagles than Jalen Hurts making the top 40.
The more universal the lack of respect from airhead pundits, the more hopeful I become. The chorus is more often correct when they all sing "he sucks" than when they sing "he's a stud," but whenever the chorus is all singing together, I'm suspicious.
Not that I care to look but where was Wentz on the 2020 list? Or Goff, for that matter.
It's all click-bait bullshtein.
theres a science behind a list like this...its based on getting engagement more than anything. its not like he sat there and ran through tape and called people to come up with the list. he put together something very quickly with no context and in a random order in order to get idiot sports fans yelling about it
and look at that...we got some idiot sports fans yelling about.
leaving off jalen hurts tho was not meant for engagement because you can make an actual argument for it plus his name doesnt ring out like that where people are going to care all that much
its not like he had aaron rodgers are 18 or something
it 100% was. the idea is to do shtein to just get his name trending, get comments below the tweet and get people listening to the companion podcast where he "explains" the list. trolling reactionary moron eagle fans is the low hanging fruit of all of this.
its all very dumb and very disingenuous and means nothing like everything else in the universe
Honestly if he wanted to spin up Eagles twitter he should have put Flacco on there. Wouldn't even necessarily be wrong.
Well that's hardly fair, Joe Flacco is elite.
QuoteJalen Hurts midway through his first in-person news conference as an Eagle: "this is how y'all do it? You just all scream" questions?" Welcome to Philly.
Oh dear!
Sando's 2021 QB tier list, compiled from the rankings of 50 NFL coaches and evaluators. No rookies.
Tier 1
1) Mahomes and Rodgers (tied)
3) Brady
4) Wilson
5) Watson
Tier 2
6) Allen
7) Jackson and Stafford (tied)
9) Dak and Herbert (tied)
11) Ryan
12) Murray
13) Tannehill
14) Burrow
Tier 3
15) Carr
16) Roethlisberger
17) Mayfield
18) Cousins
19) Goff and Wentz (tied)
21) Garoppolo
22) Jones
23) Fitzpatrick
Tier 4
24) Darnold
25) Winston
26) Bridgewater
27) Newton
28) Dalton
29) Tua
30) Hurts
31) Lock
32) Tyrod
33) Taysom
34) Flacco
I look forward to seeing some people eat their rankings.
There's actually a Tier 5 of guys who definitely shouldn't be starters, but none of players in question fell into it.
"A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure passing situations. He has no real holes in his game."
"A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game."
"A Tier 3 quarterback is a legitimate starter but needs a heavier running game and/or defensive component to win. A lower-volume dropback passing offense suits him best."
"A Tier 4 quarterback could be an unproven player with some upside or a veteran who is ultimately best suited as a backup."
The exact place isn't supposed to be taken seriously, just the "tiers". This is interesting to me because it's a sample of what head coaches, GMs, coordinators, QB coaches, and scouts around the league think of these guys.
i was reading a training camp review of yesterdays practice that said hurtz was 5-15 when the pass catcher was not wide open
turns out getting the ball where it needs to be is not easy when you are inaccurate with average arm strength
+125
I cannot emphasize this enough.
Are there odds on whether Flacco will start any games?
Quote from: QB Eagles on July 31, 2021, 03:11:48 PM
Are there odds on whether Flacco will start any games?
how bout game 1
Take this for what it's worth because I'm not the fanatic that I used to be but if Joe Flacco is this team's starter then I won't be watching them. What possible good could come of starting Joe farging Flacco? Short term or long term? Not saying that it won't happen because I definitely think that it will at some point, but that'll be a no from me.
I don't give a shtein either way and they need to start whoever will lose more games but there's no doubt in my mind flacco is the superior nfl qb right now and would be in two years as well
just depends on how hard howie is tanking this year cause best believe sirriani is playing whoever howie tells him to regardless of whether it's qb or any other position
Can't imagine a coach in nfl history with less power than nick sirrani this year
jim tomsula the year after harbaugh was fired when baalke had total control
Was howie running their organization...if not then no
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 31, 2021, 04:02:05 PM
I don't give a shtein either way and they need to start whoever will lose more games but there's no doubt in my mind flacco is the superior nfl qb right now and would be in two years as well
Completely agree, but watching Joe Flacco bring his particular brand of awful quarterbacking would be painful to watch. And something we've all seen before. At least Hurts is a somewhat new/unknown quantity which would be interesting in and of itself.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 31, 2021, 05:17:49 PM
Was howie running their organization...if not then no
howie was not running the san francisco 49ers in 2015
however an even more megalomaniacal power craven lunatic was
Flacco ain't even better than Nick Mullens.
Getting close to the season. Time to get my game face on
QuoteWith 216 passing yards tonight, Eagles QB Jalen Hurts would become the first player in NFL history to average at least 250 passing yards and 50 rushing yards per game over his first 10 starts.
I've seen a lot of Lamar (only three or four games of Allen) and a lot of Hurts....
exhibit A that the numbers DO lie
(https://i.redd.it/6z5v9x8vyfu71.jpg)
nothing more meaningless than football stats
the jalen hurts discourse is honestly one of the most boring and forced debates in recent memory. hes a frisky backup, that's his ceiling. people studying his tape or stats like they hold some kind of hidden meaning to him being kyler murray are grifting.
Also Allen and Lamar were widely considered terrible passers their first seasons, so if Hurts has comparable numbers it says he's a terrible passer. The eye test would reveal some pretty stark differences in latent potential.
terrible accuracy not terrible arms
its one thing if hurts just had no touch, you can always improve that (and allen has, jackson as well but less so). both of those dude have cannons. hurts, uhhh, does not.
The 20 yards he has to throw for those WR screens is really his limit.
now do Quincey Carter cause that?s about who he is
Let's do his first 8, since that's all he played in his first season.
90 Comp
176 Att
51.1% Comp%
1072 Pass Yds
5 TD
7 Int
63.0 Pssr Rtg
45 Rush Att
150 Rush Yds
1 Rush TD
5 Fumbles
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Quote from: ice grillin you on October 20, 2021, 08:25:03 PM
now do Quincey Carter cause that?s about who he is
https://youtu.be/Q_4bp8bBNVw
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 20, 2021, 08:25:03 PM
now do Quincey Carter cause that?s about who he is
i know you hate black people but theres no way you can watch hurts and think he doesnt belong in the nfl...hes not that bad
hes not a starter or someone you build around but hes one of the 60 best qb's. frisky backup
Lol at a Quincy farging Carter comp.
At this rate by end of the season it?ll be ?He?s no better than Spergeon Wynn?
look at some of the names on this list https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ranking-2021-nfl-backup-quarterbacks-49ers-trey-lance-headlines-list-of-32-teddy-bridgewater-in-top-five/
homeboy acting like hurts is worse than cooper rush and pj walker. hes better than farging jared goff, a starter. nobody real is saying hurts has a huge future but the dude has proven he belongs in the league at a minimum.
Wonder why my posts are showing question marks rather than apostrophes
There are some coachable things where Hurts could improve. Like his terrible pre-snap reads that are directly responsible for the R part of RPO being merely theoretical. Not saying he will improve on that, but he could.
Anyway, there's no one in the draft, so get used to having Hurts around. Maybe they could get Matt Ryan, but I don't see any other vet coming to Philly.
What's Rex Grossman up to these days?
Quote from: QB Eagles on October 21, 2021, 12:32:44 AM
Anyway, there's no one in the draft, so get used to having Hurts around. Maybe they could get Matt Ryan, but I don't see any other vet coming to Philly.
hardest of hard passes on matty ice
thinking right now howie uses the 22 draft to asset collect for the 23 draft. id be stunned if he doesnt use 1 of the 3 1's to grab another 1 for 2023. they need to be armed with something since that qb class appears to be much better
Wore a throwback Randall with a 99 patch at his post game pc
https://twitter.com/Eagles/status/1475231634173710343 20
Had me at Kelly Green.
https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/platform/amp/2022/7/11/23203535/jalen-hurts-derrick-gunn-eagles-not-very-comfortable-right-now-starting-quarterback-philadelphia-qb
I could have told you that Hurts sucks without needing an inside source.
Also I don't think looking good or bad at OTAs tells you anything.
Quote from: QB Eagles on July 11, 2022, 02:59:20 PM
I could have told you that Hurts sucks without needing an inside source.
Also I don't think looking good or bad at OTAs tells you anything.
We all knew this but front office seemed to be all in. I was pretty sure it was fluff but a bunch of these rumors popped up a few weeks ago
https://sportsnaut.com/jalen-hurts-contract-extension/amp/
I think the NFL has proven at this point that contracts are essentially meaningless until payday, after which they become meaningless again.
lol
truth
after football, this guy is going to do whatever he wants...remarkable person
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/08/26/jalen-hurts-advocate-women-team-agent-nicole-lynn?utm_source=reddit.com
One thing about Hurts is he seems determined to fix his weaknesses. Last season he really struggled when going to his left and so far this season he been really good. He's also made some nice throws as far as leading guys into YAC.
Hopefully he continues this
Currently 3rd behind Allen and Mahomes in mvp odds
I'm all in for now
Lol..
What is that?
Like inviting the divorce lawyers to the wedding?
Isn't that all a prenup really is?
QuoteJalen Hurts is the first QB in NFL history with:
900+ passing yards and 150+ rushing yards in first 3 games of a season
Quote from: Hurts_Defense_Superbowl on September 20, 2022, 06:57:09 PM
Currently 3rd behind Allen and Mahomes in mvp odds
I'm all in for now
2nd now behind Lamar Jackson
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/jalen-hurts-lamar-jackson-nfl-mvp-odds/q2h9kewlttfzp9qnpnvgbvw9
NFC Offensive Player of the Month
Quote from: Diomedes on September 29, 2022, 12:01:07 PM
NFC Offensive Player of the Month
Deserved, although he benefited from slim pickings, an easy schedule, and a month that only had three games. If he can keep this going it's going to be a magical season.
If this season ends with Super Bowl MVP Gardner Minshew, I'm buying a farging Minshew jersey. Let's go.
That's how I felt about Mike Boryla when he replaced Roman Gabriel in 19...........ahhh get of my lawn you little bastiches!
Who?
In when?
1919?
How f'n old ARE you?
Nineteen dickety two. They had to say dickety because the Kaiser had stolen the word "twenty."
It's definitely Mahomes but homeboy's definitely in the conversation
𝐌𝐕𝐏 𝐫𝐚𝐜𝐞: 𝐇𝐮𝐫𝐭𝐬 | 𝐌𝐚𝐡𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐬
Pass yards: 2,560 | 3,585
Pass TDs: 17 | 29
INTs: 3 | 8
Rush yards: 597 | 274
Rush TDs: 8 | 1
Comp %: 67.3 | 66.1
Record: 10-1 | 9-2
All Mahomes has to do is not go on IR and the MVP is his.
Uncle Bob trying to recall here so bare with grandpa -
First int was when Kenny Gainwell tipped that ball at Detroit
When was the second?
Third was AJ Brown's weak ass effort against WTF.
3 INT's (2 not on him) thru 11 games? Pretty, pretty, pretty good but of course he doesn't throw as much as Mahomes.
The pick-six at the beginning of the Jags game. Another tipped one.
Thank you! Jesus, that Jags game seems so long ago. The Phillies playoff/WS run has fogged my already shrinking brain.
Hurts 713 yards 6 tds 0 turnovers last 2 games
MVfargingP!
am i allowed to admit i was wrong about him and at the same time not believe in him?
Here's the list of people that were on board with the pick from the start:
Dio
Matty
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 04, 2022, 06:13:09 PM
am i allowed to admit i was wrong about him and at the same time not believe in him?
100%
Quote from: Diomedes on April 25, 2020, 12:38:18 PM
The universal hatred for this move is tickling my contrarian instinct.
I feel bad for the guy.
He may need a friend.
Diomedes is here for you, Jalen. When you ball out and the whole league is talking about how to stop the Eagles, I'll be here. As in, my basement. On :CF. Asking what channel the game is on.
Legit this exact thing happened today. DIOstrodamus up in this piece.
Most consecutive games with 90+ pass rating
Jalen 7
Jaws, Vick, Carson and 5 each had a string of 6 games above 90
Quote from: General_Failure on December 04, 2022, 06:30:52 PM
Here's the list of people that were on board with the pick from the start:
Dio
Matty
I'd throw Todd in that group. His take on the move and take on Wentz was so accurate it's a bit scary. I think he liked the move just didn't want to admit it at the time.
Hurts is never going to have a gun that lasers a pass between 3 defenders over the middle consistently but his deep ball is one of the best in the league and his accuracy is on point. Only Geno Smith and Burrow have a higher completion %. From everything I gather he's always been the hardest worker wherever he's been but from listening to insiders he really became a student of the nfl game in the offseason. He makes no excuses and does what's needed to win games.
MVP
Quote from: Hurts_Defense_Superbowl on December 05, 2022, 09:24:44 AM
I'd throw Todd in that group. His take on the move and take on Wentz was so accurate it's a bit scary. I think he liked the move just didn't want to admit it at the time.
finally someone admitting what we all knew all along that im right about everything
i never anticipated hurts playing this well. thought he best case scenario could be a fringe starter/backup type. but when the eagles picked him, they did so believing that his ceiling was much higher. they turned out to be correct.
what was obvious about the move was what it said about wentz. you dont go spending a 2 on a qb unless youre not super confident in your starter. i dont think anyone expected wentz's career to be over 6 months later but they had all the intel in the world on wentz so they had some idea of where it was headed
Well, they knew Wentz had a punk's attitude and Jalen carried himself like a mensch.
But I can't think anyone on the Eagles actually thought Jalen's in-game deficiencies would get flushed out with training and experience.
Wentz was such a pissbaby about the team doing well without him that Sproles wanted to fight him in physical therapy. They were absolutely right to draft a QB to replace him.
Cried about the team winning without him
Cried about Hurts getting drafted
Got sent to a MAGA/Jesus nut dream location in Indy - and flamed out spectacularly to the point that Irsay loathed him and they replaced him with the corpse of Matt Ryan
Goes to Washington and completely sucks, gets hurt (again) and has to watch that little fargin goofball Heincke take his job
Helluva run for Wentz.
Who would you rather have as of today if you need a backup? Carson or Baker?
I'm rollin' with Baker if it's my call.
I don't think there's a QB in the world I'd want to have less than Wentz.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 05, 2022, 12:08:38 PM
I don't think there's a QB in the world I'd want to have less than Wentz.
Watson. Watson would be worse.
Fair. The serial rapist would be a worse choice.
I'd rather line up a skill position player to take snaps in the wild cat.
But in choosing between Baker, Wentz and Watson I'd take Baker.
Looking back none of us knew how bad of a guy Wentz was. They knew it well enough in the building and took a shot on Hurts. It's turned out way better than anyone could have expected but let's not forget the team around him is wayyy better that it would have been with Wentz because of the money not being spent on a franchise QB right now.
They have a shtein ton of dough to throw around because they're paying Hurts peanuts.
Maybe that's the way to build winners these days? Get a guy with decent skills and all-world intangibles on the cheap and make a couple of years worth of runs with the dough you're saving?
Knowing how Howie operates, it's completely within the realm of possibility that he rolled the dice on this.
It's just as likely that they draft another QB this offseason.
That's what I'm saying. They know Hurts is gonna break the bank, so why not just keep doing this over and over?
They seem to have hit the jackpot with this kid, so who knows?
Or the cap keeps increasing at a stupid rate and contracts continue to be worth less than the paper they're written on.
Quote from: Rome on December 05, 2022, 01:15:03 PMso why not just keep doing this over and over?
If a team could keep doing it over and over, they would.
But it's not possible.
For every Jalen Hurts, you have dozens of inferior players, many of them grossly so.
Putting supply aside, what player-QB or otherwise-wants to play for a team that announces they're unwilling to pay a good QB market value, will instead let him walk so they can fill the role with a cheaper prospect? Good luck getting free agents, re-signing in-house talent, or for that matter, getting rookie QBs to even play for you? They might justifiably refuse to report and wait a year for the next draft. It's terrible business idea.
How does one sell such a plan to the fans, who want icons and wins?
Hitting the jackpot is not good cause to gamble more, it's a signal to cut your bets. Mailatas and Jalens don't just appear on the regular.
I don't know that I want to put this much thought into the question I'm about to propose-- but going back to Jaws forward...if you were to start a team now with a former Eagles QB starter in his prime (and Jalen, who knows, Jalen could get somehow better?), how would you rank them and where would Jalen fit in? I can tell you without much thought that I'd already take him ahead of McNabb. He's pretty close to the top of the list already, looking at the combination of physical talents, leadership and decision-making. I'll say, at least, that I'm confident if Jalen was the QB over McNabb, the Eagles beat the Pats in '04.
Quote from: Rome on December 05, 2022, 01:15:03 PM
That's what I'm saying. They know Hurts is gonna break the bank, so why not just keep doing this over and over?
you could build a city full of skyscrapers with all the staggeringly ludicrous things you've posted over the years but this might be the GOAT
I'm not sure what is ludicrous about that statement. Is it the break the bank part? Or maybe it's the part where they could possibly use two number 1's in this year's draft as capital to select his replacement rather than giving Hurts a blockbuster deal?
I mean either way forward is logical. Either sign Hurts to a huge deal if they think he's worth it or select a replacement and ensure a cap-friendly contract for the next several years at the most important position on the team?
Quote from: Diomedes on December 05, 2022, 02:53:35 PM
Quote from: Rome on December 05, 2022, 01:15:03 PMso why not just keep doing this over and over?
If a team could keep doing it over and over, they would.
But it's not possible.
For every Jalen Hurts, you have dozens of inferior players, many of them grossly so.
Putting supply aside, what player-QB or otherwise-wants to play for a team that announces they're unwilling to pay a good QB market value, will instead let him walk so they can fill the role with a cheaper prospect? Good luck getting free agents, re-signing in-house talent, or for that matter, getting rookie QBs to even play for you? They might justifiably refuse to report and wait a year for the next draft. It's terrible business idea.
How does one sell such a plan to the fans, who want icons and wins?
Hitting the jackpot is not good cause to gamble more, it's a signal to cut your bets. Mailatas and Jalens don't just appear on the regular.
Players go where the money is. They don't give two shteins about anything else no matter how many Tik Tok videos they appear in with their buddies.
And the Eagles are on a really unique position right now. They have plenty of resources to go get a replacement for Hurts at a more reasonable price than what he is going to cost. That means more money for free agents from teams who spend $50M on relics like Rodgers, Brady, et al.
I'm not saying it's going to happen. They probably will pay Hurts what the market will bear for him.
But if they're not sold on Hurts, and I'm not sure they are, I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled a shocker like that.
What?!?
Get a replacement? Why7 How? You're saying they should/might/could draft someone else to develop so they don't have to pay Hurts? Keep that extra money for Brit Covey and Nakobe Dean? And this kind of shocking move wouldn't surprise you?
Dude, you're just typing. It makes no sense.
is rome suggesting the eagles should never have a franchise qb and just repeatedly draft them in the 1st or 2nd round, then trade them before its time for payday?
do i see this correctly
Are they or are they not a quarterback factory? Answer the question.
I get Rome's point: if they don't re-sign Hurts and draft a cheaper option it gives them the cap freedom to sign/keep players. My counter point would be franchise qbs don't grow on trees, he's at least a top 10 qb but probably top 5, it's the most important position in sports, there's zero guarantee the new player will be as good, it'll take 2-3 years for them to play at this level, Howie's a cap magician and they have a ton of draft capital to fill out free agents who leave.
Quote from: MDS on December 05, 2022, 11:17:39 PM
is rome suggesting the eagles should never have a franchise qb and just repeatedly draft them in the 1st or 2nd round, then trade them before its time for payday?
do i see this correctly
it's worse than that he's suggesting no teams should
I think he was drunk posting
I do understand the argument for moving on from Hurts, but if the team thinks that what he's doing now is sustainable even for just a few years, you gotta pay him. And right now his trajectory is still pointing up. Look what he did mostly as a pocket passer this week.
You know Howie isn't going to be stuck with an expensive bad QB, look how he was able to move on from Wentz. Albatross contracts is a Phillies concern, not an Eagles one.
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 06, 2022, 02:07:23 PM
Look what he did mostly as a pocket passer this week.
this is mostly because hes throwing to aj brown and has a great line...hurts is much better than i ever imagined but hes not a t1 qb.
lets just give him the kyler murray deal, to make it easy. murrays deal is basically 4 years. the 5th year its a $20 mil cap dead cap hit. so in a everything goes horrible scenario, youre basically committing to jalen for 4 years then you can eat it and get out. aj brown wont even be 30 then, devonta will be younger. if he has those 2 guys, someone on his level will be able to produce.
hurts has to show something in a postseason or two...his progression to an mvp favorite this year has been unreal and i would expect him to play much better now and at home than at tampa last year but i need to see him perform at a high level against a legit post season defense after that absolute debacle last year...he doesn't even need to win but he cant be the reason they lose
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 06, 2022, 02:07:23 PMI do understand the argument for moving on from Hurts...
In that case, please to explain.
Best case scenario is what, you land another Hurts...then move on from him...all the while having extra money for...?
The Eagles wouldn't have the stacked roster they have now if they were having to pay a franchise quarterback salary.
I'm not advocating for them not to sign Hurts. I'm not advocating that they let him walk or trade him either.
What I'm saying is they let Wentz walk after paying him franchise money. They drafted Hurts and then surrounded him with the best roster I've ever seen in Philly. They literally already did what I'm suggesting they might consider doing again if they don't see Hurts as a 10-yr starter.
You seemed to be arguing that having a franchise qb is inadvisable whoever he is, that instead of paying a good qb market value past his rookie deal, you let him walk and replace him with the younger cheaper prospect, ad infinitum--the idea being that the money is better spent elsewhere, I guess, even if you're letting great players go...on that part I'm still not clear---but now you seem to be saying that of course you keep and pay a guy like Hurts for 10 years...so I still don't understand
Quote from: Diomedes on December 06, 2022, 03:44:11 PM
Best case scenario is what, you land another Hurts...then move on from him...all the while having extra money for...?
Yes the argument is that it's inadvisable to drop megabucks on even a very good QB unless he's a proven game-breaking alien like Mahomes. There's a lot of one-year and two-year wonders, and having a passable starter on a rookie contract is like a financial cheat code in the NFL. You definitely don't want to be stuck getting Flacco performance from a Flacco contract, and from a championship-focused perspective you might not even want to be stuck with a HOFer in his peak years like Rodgers was if it's going to torpedo the ability to spend on the rest of your team and keep your ceiling in the middle of the playoffs.
I trust the Eagles to figure out what Hurts is worth, and Howie is a bit of a financial cheat code himself, so I don't really get being nervous about how this plays out.
NFC Offensive player of the week, again.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 07, 2022, 08:58:18 AM
NFC Offensive player of the week, again.
I'm too lazy to look but anyone know off the top of their head how many that is for the season?
Just two, I think.
first one for him
Did bloom win special teams this week?
Quote from: Hurts_Defense_Superbowl on December 07, 2022, 10:36:25 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on December 07, 2022, 08:58:18 AM
NFC Offensive player of the week, again.
I'm too lazy to look but anyone know off the top of their head how many that is for the season?
Yup. 2 NFC Offensive Player of the Week Awards, 1 NFC Offensive Player of the Month Award
QB1 putting in that Legacy Work thus far...
Michael Badgley named NFC special teams player of the week, lions kicker
MVP
QuotePhiladelphia Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts, who will miss Saturday's game against the Dallas Cowboys because of a sprained shoulder, also is uncertain to play against the New Orleans Saints in Week 17, league sources told ESPN. Hurts is recovering from what doctors are calling a SC joint sprain in his throwing shoulder -- an injury to the joint where the collarbone meets the breastbone. The Eagles would like to see how this weekend plays out in the NFC playoff race and how Hurts' shoulder responds to rest and treatment before determining whether the MVP candidate can play against the Saints on New Year's Day. The Eagles (13-1) need to win one of their remaining three games -- they conclude the schedule with home games against the Saints and Giants -- to clinch the NFC's top seed and homefield advantage throughout the playoffs. If the Eagles can win Saturday in Dallas, they would not need to risk Hurts next week against the Saints. But if they lose Saturday, Hurts will push to play against New Orleans even if he is not fully healthy, as is expected to be the case, according to sources.
If they lose tomorrow he plays vs the Saints guaranteed
5yrs $255M - $179M gtd and a no trade clause
Nice deal for Hurts and the Birds
$35M/yr is a steal solely on what's guaranteed. If he plays anywhere near the level he played last year, this one will be torn up in 3 yrs.
Amazing how this played out. farging Howie... he's the man.
Quote from: Rome on April 17, 2023, 06:02:20 PM
$35M/yr is a steal solely on what's guaranteed. If he plays anywhere near the level he played last year, this one will be torn up in 3 yrs.
lol thats an "interesting" way to look at it and so incredibly romey
Nice thread breaking down the nuts and bolts of the deal
https://twitter.com/albertbreer/status/1650870763379884035 46&t=Uib2YOn6CJgx-z2RaE9o7Q
this guy doesn't quit impressing
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/05/13/jalen-hurts-gets-a-masters-degree-from-oklahoma/
THAT IS AWESOME!!! I love this man. So refreshing to see this after having to endure the shtein show of James Harden and the disappearing act of Joel Houdini.
I'm gonna be 49 this year.
I genuinely admire/look up to this kid. His mantra about keeping the main thing the main thing is a schema I've actually used to talk myself down from angry distractions, etc...
the Eagles got so f'n lucky with him...
The main discussion happening on the bird site seems to be which school alumni now gets to claim him as one of theirs... Alabama or OU?
I almost asked which set of fans would call him a stillupfront behind his back *last* to settle the dispute.
Phenomenal accomplishment for Hurts, however.
https://twitter.com/crossingbroad/status/1686799229912559616 46&t=SMD_81TvVT-H5sNwmpVLIQ
I cannot overstate how much I admire this kid.
LOVE HIM LOVE HIM LOVE HIM!!!
What the philly sports scene needs! Dawk, JRoll, Malcom Jenkins, Kelce, BG stuff. I find myself clinching my fist when someone talks shtein about him.
I did not mean to clock the 10 year old Chiefs fan down the street.
He plays the role almost too perfectly for a Philadelphia fan to feel comfortable with. Hope he's not a secret prostitute killer or something.
His "keep the main thing the main thing" phrase stuck with me, has been a useful schema to return to at times. A grown ass man using words out the mouths of babes to stay on track...
Couldn't ask for a better team leader than him.
I watch a lot of CFB and hated when he went to OU bc I loathe that program. And when they took him in the 2nd we all exploded. But damn if Howie wasn't right.
Revenge tour coming up.
SB let's goooo
Frustrating to watch at times but never understood the hate. Favorite commercial of the year
Love Hurts
https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1888792344062787658
cool commercial and great use of teddy p...the hurts lovers can take their victory lap and i dont care
They might as well cause you're surely not gonna admit that you were mistaken
hurts is whatever you want him to be...he outplayed mahomes for a 2nd time in the super bowl and was barely better than kenny pickett in the other 2 playoff games
brad johnson and trent dilfer also have chips
Brad Johnson, and Trent Dilfer have rings; Burrow, Allen, and Jackson do not. Right now I'll take flawed winner over great choker.
I rest my case.
I'm petitioning the city to build a Hurts smoking his cigar statute on lil guy's block
they can build it on my farging house
Your NIMBY neighbors disagree.