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The whole Donovan McNabb interview is getting a lot of attention. I posted an article on it earlier in another thread, and it has been talked about in several. Figured I'd put it all into one. Figured it might be a could place to track him throughout the season, and watch his career fade into nothingness.

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McNabb pulling the race card? How ironic ... and ridiculous 
Sep. 18, 2007
By Gregg Doyel
CBSSports.com National Columnist
Black quarterbacks look the same to me. Every last one looks like a guy who should be playing running back. Or defensive back. Or receiver. They look like anything but a quarterback, which used to be an all-white position and should have stayed that way.

Right, Donovan McNabb? That's what you think I'm thinking. That's what you think lots of people are thinking. We don't like black quarterbacks -- never have, never will. So implies McNabb, who went on HBO's Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel on Tuesday night and slapped the race card on the table.

   
Donovan McNabb has been taking some punishment on the field, and now he's inviting more off it. (AP)   
The Eagles' McNabb said: "There's not that many African-American quarterbacks, so we have to do a little bit extra. ... Because the percentage of us playing this position, which people didn't want us to play this position, is low, so we do a little extra."

And McNabb said: "I pass for 300 yards, our team wins by seven (and critics say), 'Ah, he could've made this throw, they would have scored if he did this.' "

And of white Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning, McNabb said: "Let me start by saying I love those guys. But they don't get criticized as much as we do. They don't."

Granted, McNabb has reasons to be bitter. He plays in a vicious sports city where some of the dumber citizens have probably said racist things to him over the years. He was once attacked clumsily by Rush Limbaugh, who said McNabb was overrated but protected by media that "has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well."

Limbaugh is the living, breathing, lying, painkilling proof of the difference between sounding smart and being smart. He talks fast and uses big words and can lead a group of lemmings over a cliff more effectively than George Wallace ever could.

But Limbaugh isn't smart. Can't be. To say what he said about McNabb in 2003, when McNabb was a dominant quarterback, was stupid. Limbaugh paid for it by losing his side gig with ESPN. America -- black America, white America, our America -- didn't tolerate his racial stupidity.

So why are we going to tolerate racial stupidity coming now from McNabb? Toleration in the name of entertainment allowed racist blowhards like Limbaugh and Don Imus to spew invective over the airwaves. But toleration in the name of political correctness has allowed white-bashing demagogues like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson Sr. to inflame racially sensitive cases like the ones starring Tawana Brawley and Duke lacrosse.

You go ahead -- tolerate McNabb's comments. Or be like my colleague Mike Freeman and embrace McNabb's social commentary. Me, I'm calling McNabb on it. I'm calling it stupid. I'm calling it intellectually lazy. And I'm calling it cowardly.

His career is sinking, and instead of facing it head on, he pulled out that big, ugly race card and tried to hide his decade-worst 68.8 passer rating behind it.

McNabb is myopic. He thinks he has it rough? Try being Rex Grossman, the quarterback of the Chicago Bears, who gets ripped even as he is leading the Bears to the Super Bowl. The next two most critiqued quarterbacks in the NFL are probably the Jets' Chad Pennington and the Giants' Eli Manning. All three are white.

McNabb? He's old and fading, and judging from his HBO appearance, he's not taking it very well. In his own city, columnist John Smallwood called out McNabb in the Philadelphia Daily News on Tuesday. McNabb, Smallwood wrote, "is like a batter with warning-track power." The old McNabb "is gone." This McNabb "looks bad."

Will McNabb call Smallwood a racist? That would be ironic. Smallwood is black.

McNabb? He's weak. He says black quarterbacks have it rougher than white quarterbacks, and he says it in a way that makes my skin crawl: "They don't get criticized as much as we do."

Lovely. How nice and segregating. And how ridiculous. If it's so much more difficult being a black quarterback than a white one -- please stop chuckling, Grossman -- McNabb has to give us examples. Don't just sit there and say that nonsense with a smirk and assume we're going to nod along, because lots of us won't. Not any more.

Enough is enough. This isn't the 1970s, when Tony Dungy was moved to defensive back without getting a chance behind center, and when Warren Moon was having to start his Hall of Fame career in Canada.

This is 2007, and NFL teams and their fans just want to win. In Oakland, the Raiders have a white starting quarterback, Josh McCown, but a fan base that would prefer Daunte Culpepper or JaMarcus Russell, both black. The Raiders drafted Russell No. 1 overall instead of the other quarterback who ended his senior season presumed to be the likely first pick, Brady Quinn.

How far has the NFL come? The three cities with the largest redneck population -- I'm from Mississippi; I'm allowed -- employ black quarterbacks: In Jacksonville, the Jaguars had three black quarterbacks until releasing Byron Leftwich a few weeks ago. In Nashville, Vince Young is the franchise. And in Atlanta, the Falcons gave Michael Vick the biggest contract in NFL history and stood by him through several embarrassing off-field mistakes until he was charged with felony dogfighting. Joey Harrington replaced Vick, but on Tuesday the Falcons brought in Leftwich to compete for the starting job.

Teams no longer care about skin color. It's all about wins and losses, and if there's one color that transcends all others, it's green. In 2004, three of the four biggest contracts in the NFL went to black quarterbacks.

McNabb came in second at $115 million.

Must be awful to be that guy.

PFT on the interview/today's press conference:

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POSTED 3:49 p.m. EDT, September 19, 2007

McNABB FACES THE MUSIC OVER HIS HBO REMARKS

At his weekly press conference, Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb got an earful of questions from members of the media who wanted him to explain his now-infamous remarks from HBO's Real Sports regarding McNabb's belief that the media heaps more criticism upon black quarterbacks than on white quarterbacks.

Here's how it's being described on the Eagles' web site, by Justin Kunkel:  "Nearly all of McNabb's 11-minute press conference was a verbal volley between the quarterback and members of the media who were trying to pin down exactly what McNabb meant in the interview.  He said at one point that he feels he was asked questions that would not be asked of white quarterbacks in the same situation, a statement that seemed to bother many members of the media in attendance."

Kunkel also writes that "McNabb would not provide specifics as to what questions black quarterbacks are asked that white quarterbacks are not."

Yeah.  Because he can't.

And it seems that the team is stepping away from McNabb on this one.  Case in point -- the Eagles' P.R. staff included every question, and every answer from McNabb, in an e-mail sent out to members of the media.

All 19 questions and answers can be read right here right here (http://profootballtalk.com/McNabbRemarks9-19-07.htm).

Our guess?  McNabb's days in Philly are numbered.  We used to think he'd be gone after the 2007 season; we now think there's an outside chance that he gets traded within the next month.

 :D

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 19, 2007, 04:28:00 PM
Re: IGY hates white people, especially Jewish ones.

Sure, that too.

Haha.

white america is racist, but doyel is spot on in that article. mcnabb is whiny little girl. blow the whole thing up.

An honest question:  What value would Mcnabb fetch as far as a trade?  Obviously he's not healthy, but for QB's he's supposed to be entering the prime of his career. 

its pretty apparent all that talk about just trying to to whats best for the team, lead by example, and just wanting to play the game is all horseshtein. He needs to be in the spotlight, which is a crying shame for someone thats career is fading beyond belief.

Why the hell would he agree to do a report with Gumble knowing damn well it would come to bite him and the team in the ass....again? Sounds like he is trying to get traded to me.

Media circus...take 5

Quote from: reese125 on September 19, 2007, 04:42:13 PM
its pretty apparent all that talk about just trying to to whats best for the team, lead by example, and just wanting to play the game is all horseshtein. He needs to be in the spotlight, which is a crying shame for someone thats career is fading beyond belief.

Why the hell would he agree to do a report with Gumble knowing damn well it would come to bite him and the team in the ass....again? Sounds like he is trying to get traded to me.

Media circus...take 5

I am not defending McNabb here...I think he thought the eagles would be in better standing at 2-0...him looking healthy...etc... at this point. That he agreed to do the interview to get his message out, a misguided attempt to brake racial barriers. Since he has played like shtein, and the birds are 0-2...this whole thing is backfiring around him.

At this point there is only one way to save his career in philly. For McNabb...this season, it's Super Bowl or bust.

I, for one, am looking forward to the ETN specials of Kolb and his bare hands wild boar hunting.

Quote from: reese125 on September 19, 2007, 04:42:13 PM
do a report with Gumble

(http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/dcracistemo0mp.gif)     

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 19, 2007, 04:39:41 PM
but for QB's he's supposed to be entering the prime of his career. 

Tragically true >:( 

QuoteI am not defending McNabb here...I think he thought the eagles would be in better standing at 2-0...him looking healthy...etc... at this point. That he agreed to do the interview to get his message out, a misguided attempt to brake racial barriers. Since he has played like shtein, and the birds are 0-2...this whole thing is backfiring around him.

0-2. 2-0, or 13-0. It doesnt matter. The fact that he is even talking about that crap now makes him look foolish in all aspects.

Save that crap when your out of football, retired and in your 60's doing interviews with Bob Costas...not mid-season where it affects your team

5 = dumb

Trade him to da bears for 3 # 1's :)

PPinDC Seabiscuit just said that McNabb walked out on his presser today. We are witnessing the fiery crashing smashing end of an era. Ouch.


Edit: Oops.

Why do we care what he thinks or says? Atheletes are just that. I don't look to them for anything more than hard play. Philly media whoring and ESPN/HBO are gonna blow this shtein up so far... It'll be the fans who suffer when/if he leaves. Maybe Gumbel will get an Emmy and Sal Pal can pay for a new vacation home peddling hype and our fan-base's misery.

We care because it clearly effects his state of mind. He can't even make himself stop talking about a draft that happened almost a decade ago. He whines about being treated differently. Give me a break, the dude is farging babysoft and needs to go away.

i didn't bother reading it.  he may well be right, but gregg doyel is an enormous douche.

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from PFT:

QuotePOSTED 3:49 p.m. EDT; UPDATED 4:56 p.m. EDT, September 19, 2007

McNABB FACES THE MUSIC OVER HIS HBO REMARKS

At his weekly press conference, Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb got an earful of questions from members of the media who wanted him to explain his now-infamous remarks from HBO's Real Sports regarding McNabb's belief that the media heaps more criticism upon black quarterbacks than on white quarterbacks.

Here's how it's being described on the Eagles' web site, by Justin Kunkel: "Nearly all of McNabb's 11-minute press conference was a verbal volley between the quarterback and members of the media who were trying to pin down exactly what McNabb meant in the interview. He said at one point that he feels he was asked questions that would not be asked of white quarterbacks in the same situation, a statement that seemed to bother many members of the media in attendance."

Kunkel also writes that "McNabb would not provide specifics as to what questions black quarterbacks are asked that white quarterbacks are not."

Yeah. Because he can't.

And it seems that the team is stepping away from McNabb on this one. Case in point -- the Eagles' P.R. staff included every question, and every answer from McNabb, in an e-mail sent out to members of the media.

All 19 questions and answers can be read right here.

Our guess? McNabb's days in Philly are numbered. We used to think he'd be gone after the 2007 season; we now think there's an outside chance that he gets traded within the next month.

Oh please. they won't be trading him mid-season. Don't these clowns actually cover the NFL?

i think it'll be about 3 days until he's traded.   

Quote from: rjs246 on September 19, 2007, 05:12:47 PM
We care because it clearly effects his state of mind. He can't even make himself stop talking about a draft that happened almost a decade ago. He whines about being treated differently. Give me a break, the dude is farging babysoft and needs to go away.

wait so when he drops back to pass instead of thinking about his injury, the pass rush, or analyzing which WR is open or not, he is thinking about him being black?


again this is another stupid story being overblown. how does this story affect the 0-2 start? more so than the playcalling and the lack of playmakers? this is why the team is 0-2. and i love how they include the "the team is distancing themselves from him"....right because if you asked any player on the team or any BLACK QB in the league they would tell you that there is more pressure on a black qb. its not like mcnabb is the first one to say it or invent it. it exists. when your a minority in a high profile position like a QB it exists. whether its from the media or the "white" masses or from within or the black community itself, mcnabb is right. to what extent i dont know. im not in his position to judge but this interview was done about a month ago before the season started so to claim his head is not in the game and this is what he is thinking about is rediculous.

here is a much better article about the situation:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7241878?MSNHPHMA

QuoteJason Whitlock

   


For reasons far more nuanced than he offered Tuesday night on HBO, Donovan McNabb is right, black NFL quarterbacks face more pressure, scrutiny and criticism than their white counterparts.

The assertion is neither debatable nor controversial. In fact, when James Brown's sit-down interview with the star quarterback was over, I wondered how McNabb's comments had caused much of a stir.

He'd simply stated the obvious in the most inoffensive way possible. McNabb's comments were not angry, defiant or whiny. They were matter of fact.

They were also incomplete and, therefore, out of context.

I believe McNabb, more than any black quarterback who has played the game, understands all of the obstacles facing a black "franchise" quarterback. And he knows that it would be highly dangerous to put all of the issues on the table.

   


We can't handle the truth. The media aren't equipped to tell it. And he justifiably fears that his black teammates aren't ready to digest it.

You see, many of the roadblocks standing before a black QB are placed there by other African-Americans.

Stick with me, let me explain. There is no doubt that racism has been a factor in the level and the intensity of criticism thrown at McNabb since the day the Eagles drafted him.


More important and damaging, racism -- unintentional and intentional -- has contributed to an atmosphere where it is difficult for the average fan or member of the media to recognize a blatantly obvious truth about McNabb's career:

Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie and head coach Andy Reid have failed to properly support McNabb. The one year they provided McNabb with a legitimate No. 1 receiver (Terrell Owens), he threw 31 TDs and just nine interceptions and led the Eagles to within a field goal of winning Super Bowl XXXIX.

Lurie got away with being embarrassingly cheap because Donovan's young legs compensated for the lack of playmakers in the passing game and a mediocre offensive line.

McNabb — injured three of the last five years — has been used up and the Eagles are preparing to spit him out (drafting Kevin Kolb) primarily because the Eagles did not give him the kind of support Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer and to a lesser degree Tom Brady received in Indianapolis, Cincinnati and New England, respectively.

McNabb has their talent, their work ethic and their intellect for the game. He's never received their support (Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Ben Watson, Randy Moss, Corey Dillon, Deion Branch).

And the lack of support isn't just from ownership, fans, media and Rush Limbaugh. As best exemplified during the Owens fiasco, McNabb was sold out by many of his black teammates. This is the uncomfortable truth that we want to ignore. It's a truth that McNabb will probably only address in retirement.

Over the last 15 years, the influx of money and the implementation of the salary cap have dramatically changed the politics of the NFL. Franchise quarterbacks, the guys with the $100 million contracts, are given so much money in guaranteed bonuses that the position is now a management job.

For instance, because of his contract and importance to the organization, Manning is basically in partnership with owner Jim Irsay, head coach Tony Dungy and offensive coordinator Tom Moore.

Poll

A typical NFL locker room is 70 percent black. It is my belief that black players are more accepting of a white player being in a management position than a black player. The Owens-McNabb feud was clearly over money and fueled by jealou$y.

Owens, an idiot cancer, felt like McNabb should've pressured ownership to rework Owens' contract. Owens labeled McNabb a sellout and the message gained traction in a Philly locker room filled with players disgruntled about Lurie's frugality and envious of McNabb's contract.

Robert Kraft and the New England Patriots are known as cheap and have jettisoned several high-profile, productive black players (Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Deion Branch). Has anyone labeled Tom Brady a sellout?

Donovan McNabb has been attacked from every racial angle. A leader of the Philadelphia NAACP ripped McNabb for becoming more of a pocket passer. He's criticized by some for being too close to his parents. His leadership ability has been questioned because he didn't respond forcefully enough to TO's stupidity.

Wow. This dude is as good as it gets. He comes from a great home, wonderful, dignified parents. He's carried himself with class through a ton of adversity. He's a winner. He's exactly what we claim we want pro athletes to be.
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But somehow that's not good enough. And you think there's not more criticism heaped on black quarterbacks?

i love how everyone who has not been in his position can not only automatically claim there is not any added pressure but that also mcnabb because of these comments is to blame for the 0-2 start, not wanting to win, and all of a sudden these comments signaling the end of mcnabb. if anything his play will signal the end and especially if he continues to stay in this funk and if reid continues to pass over running the ball.

in a league where they have a rule to make sure minority coaches actually get a interview ppl believe there is no added pressure for a minority QB in the spotlight position? i love how the philly media gets its panties in a bunch when his comments are directed at general for all black QBs and not just him and his situation(s).  and im pretty sure that includes the pressure from within to perform well to prove that black QBs can succeed. i guess last season when 2 black coaches made it to the superbowl....it was just dungy and smith being whiny lil bitches and weak minded when they actually acknowledged the significance of it. its not like mcnabb is pointing his finger any particular fan or media outlet but hes talking in general how there is added pressure and criticism.

and i love the "omg i used to be a fan of his till he said this". everything he says or doesnt say seems to matter more to ppl than whats actually on the field. if mcnabb can get back into the form he started last season with we would be 2-0 and possible have a good season. but no its not his injury thats holding us back...its his views on pressure playing the biggest position in the biggest sport and in one of the most obsessed cities. and how is this the same as rush? rush actually represents a large portion of this country and how they think and how they view the world. more than that rush has the power to shape the opinion of ppl. how is this similar to a NCAAP president actually questioning the "blackness" of mcnabb.

i think whitlock hits on the head with the pressure from within the black community as well.

all in all i wish he didnt do this interview but its not really earth shattering what he says and nor is it the reason for the eagles being a crappy team right now. really reaching if ppl think this is why the team is 0-2.

I read the Q&A. I didn't have a problem with his explanations. People jump on this...but the context in which it was said, or how it came up in conversation matters too. I don't think he went to the interview to stir shtein up. I think we would be better off with a reclusive Yeti at QB, or maybe like the Sosa no habla thing. We can send the Badassador along to interviews. If shtein goes south he just wrecks everything.

QuoteAnd it seems that the team is stepping away from McNabb on this one. Case in point -- the Eagles' P.R. staff included every question, and every answer from McNabb, in an e-mail sent out to members of the media.

how is this the team distancing themselves from mcnabb? do they mean the FO, the owner, or the players. im pretty sure reid, lurie, and the rest of the team knew of this interview from when it was done about a month ago.

I just watched what happened at the PC.

He was being bombarded with 2000 questions about the interview and he kept saying he wouldn't answer anymore about it. When the kept going on, he got a big goofball smile and waved bye. He didn't storm out or anything. He was laughing when he got up and left.

Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 19, 2007, 05:54:22 PM
I just watched what happened at the PC.

He was being bombarded with 2000 questions about the interview and he kept saying he wouldn't answer anymore about it. When the kept going on, he got a big goofball smile and waved bye. He didn't storm out or anything. He was laughing when he got up and left.

in fact i read he said he would take a few more questions...did and then left. but of course he prolly pounded the table, cried about being black and being hated, and now the team is thinking of trading him in 3 days. yup must be.

Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 19, 2007, 06:02:12 PM

in fact i read he said he would take a few more questions...did and then left. but of course he prolly pounded the table, cried about being black and being hated, and now the team is thinking of trading him in 3 days. yup must be.

you take embarrassing homer to a new level

With all this crap going on I had the feeling Monday night and I have it now that McNabb is thinking "for who for what" when he goes out there. His coaching staff can't call a game properly and have built a team around their franchise QB without a receiver that can even beat the jam. Why the heck should he kill himself really. He'll bide his time and go be successful somewhere else...

Quote from: SunMo on September 19, 2007, 06:13:46 PM

Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 19, 2007, 06:02:12 PM

in fact i read he said he would take a few more questions...did and then left. but of course he prolly pounded the table, cried about being black and being hated, and now the team is thinking of trading him in 3 days. yup must be.

you take embarrassing homer to a new level

im reacting to that rumor of him being traded in 3 days. and i just saw the clip on espn...if i had read the account from these articles alone i would have assumed a "storm out"....where as the video showed mcnabb was actually adamant about his statements, standing behind them, and jokingly said "bye" and left when he had enough.

my reaction is not any worse than the reaction of those who take the smallest thing and blow it out of proportion. and wow im a homer now....is that like a taboo word that is supposed to scare ppl? i dont care if im a homer or whatever....oh no some ppl think im a homer so i must not point out how stupid i find all of this. i guess im a homer if you read this post alone and ignore everything else from this season or last season or since i posted here.

Quote from: Phanatic on September 19, 2007, 06:22:59 PM
With all this crap going on I had the feeling Monday night and I have it now that McNabb is thinking "for who for what" when he goes out there. His coaching staff can't call a game properly and have built a team around their franchise QB without a receiver that can even beat the jam. Why the heck should he kill himself really. He'll bide his time and go be successful somewhere else...

hes dealt with playing with horrible WRs before and he still won. the real issue here is that reid is the moron who does not realize that mcnabb does not have his feet set when hes throwing and its because hes still recovering and obviously thinking about his injury. it just makes the run pass ratio that much more absurd. there is a good chance we are 2-0 if reid stuck to westbrook and actually used hunt for the purpose he was drafted.

It was just reported on CSN that McNabb just went out to the mall and shot an asian baby in the parking lot.

Quote from: Wingspan on September 19, 2007, 06:38:44 PM
It was just reported on CSN that McNabb just went out to the mall and shot an asian baby in the parking lot.

I just spit iced tea LOL

Quote from: Wingspan on September 19, 2007, 06:38:44 PM
It was just reported on CSN that McNabb just went out to the mall and shot an asian baby in the parking lot.

luckily there's like a billion of those in the world

Quote from: Wingspan on September 19, 2007, 06:38:44 PM
It was just reported on CSN that McNabb just went out to the mall and shot an asian baby in the parking lot.

One less bad driver to worry about.  

RE: McNabb

I'm still a fan and always will be.  I think the Whitlock article puts an excellent perspective on his comments that most people probably wouldn't consider, myself included.  But his interview isn't the issue.  The issue is that McNabb is not and for the most part, has never really gotten the full support of ownership and the front office to be successful and I think McNabb is about fed up.  7.5 out of 8 years, McNabb has been asked to throw the ball 35-40 times a game to crap recievers.  He's been asked to run around behind the los for 14 seconds until a reciever can get open.  He's been asked to take off running and make plays and pick up first downs.  He's been asked/expected to win the Indy 500 while driving a Pinto.  

Phanatic's quote is spot on imo:

Quote from: Phanatic on September 19, 2007, 06:22:59 PM
With all this crap going on I had the feeling Monday night and I have it now that McNabb is thinking "for who for what" when he goes out there. His coaching staff can't call a game properly and have built a team around their franchise QB without a receiver that can even beat the jam. Why the heck should he kill himself really. He'll bide his time and go be successful somewhere else...

I think McNabb has given a lot more to the Eagles than the Eagles have given to him.  Is he rich?  Yeah.  But I think McNabb is one of the few athletes who's prime motivation for playing isn't money.  He wants to win but has reached the point where he's not willing to lay it all on the line anymore for an organization that seems content with just making the playoffs and selling tickets.  

Quote from: fansince61 on September 19, 2007, 04:59:34 PM
Trade him to da bears for 3 # 1's :)

that's a lot of trading down for qb's and douchebag projects from saginaw valley

Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 19, 2007, 06:59:22 PM

Quote from: Wingspan on September 19, 2007, 06:38:44 PM
It was just reported on CSN that McNabb just went out to the mall and shot an asian baby in the parking lot.

One less bad driver to worry about. 

RE: McNabb

I'm still a fan and always will be.  I think the Whitlock article puts an excellent perspective on his comments that most people probably wouldn't consider, myself included.  But his interview isn't the issue.  The issue is that McNabb is not and for the most part, has never really gotten the full support of ownership and the front office to be successful and I think McNabb is about fed up.  7.5 out of 8 years, McNabb has been asked to throw the ball 35-40 times a game to crap recievers.  He's been asked to run around behind the los for 14 seconds until a reciever can get open.  He's been asked to take off running and make plays and pick up first downs.  He's been asked/expected to win the Indy 500 while driving a Pinto. 

Phanatic's quote is spot on imo:

Quote from: Phanatic on September 19, 2007, 06:22:59 PM
With all this crap going on I had the feeling Monday night and I have it now that McNabb is thinking "for who for what" when he goes out there. His coaching staff can't call a game properly and have built a team around their franchise QB without a receiver that can even beat the jam. Why the heck should he kill himself really. He'll bide his time and go be successful somewhere else...

I think McNabb has given a lot more to the Eagles than the Eagles have given to him.  Is he rich?  Yeah.  But I think McNabb is one of the few athletes who's prime motivation for playing isn't money.  He wants to win but has reached the point where he's not willing to lay it all on the line anymore for an organization that seems content with just making the playoffs and selling tickets. 

yeah but some even question his desire to win. ive heard before how ppl think win or lose mcnabb doesnt care.

I think that's just his demeanor. If he didn't care then he wouldn't have stayed in and played on a broken leg against the Cardinals.  He wouldn't have come back for the playoffs that same year and he wouldn't have toughed it out for the first 9 games of 06 when he had a hernia. 

I also think that he realized early in his career, if not before even coming into the league, that throwing an int can be overcome.  Losing a game can be overcome.  He doesn't sweat his mistakes.  It's frustrating to see him act very nonchalant about things sometimes but that's just the way he is.  Some players need to hype themselves up before the game and during it.  He doesn't.  Never has, never will.  Everyone in Philly should be used to that by now. 

QuoteEagles owner Jeffrey Lurie and head coach Andy Reid have failed to properly support McNabb. The one year they provided McNabb with a legitimate No. 1 receiver (Terrell Owens), he threw 31 TDs and just nine interceptions and led the Eagles to within a field goal of winning Super Bowl XXXIX.

Lurie got away with being embarrassingly cheap because Donovan's young legs compensated for the lack of playmakers in the passing game and a mediocre offensive line.

Man, I've never read any truer words in the press.

I don't see how this latest bitch ass outburst is any different than the meltdowns he's had in the past.

It's all noise and personally I couldn't care less about him or his troubles.  Either you win or you're gone.  No hard feelings, mama's boy.

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 19, 2007, 07:50:59 PM

It's all noise and personally I couldn't care less about him or his troubles.  Either you win or you're gone. 

Same here and that's the bottom line. He's the reason they're 0-2 right now.

Regardless of if he's traded/released/retires tomorrow he'll go down as one my all time favorite Eagles, but like Rhodes used to say "its time to shtein or get off the shteinter". So put up or shut up Donovan.

QuoteMcNabb has been asked to throw the ball 35-40 times a game to crap recievers.  He's been asked to run around behind the los for 14 seconds until a reciever can get open.  He's been asked to take off running and make plays and pick up first downs.  He's been asked/expected to win the Indy 500 while driving a Pinto.

No:
He's asked to run the west coast offense.
He's asked to release the ball before the WR's make their break
He's asked to check down when all else fails
He's supposed to throw with some accuracy and efficiency on a consistent basis after 20 years of playing football (not saying he hasn't alot of games, but its overwhelming how many times he overthrows and underthrows to wide open WR's). No other top QB has those kind of mechanics

He chooses to be the play maker on the majority of the 40 pass plays plays because of his scrambling ability inside and outside of the pocket. He holds on to the ball too long, and is forced to run around (which he could do very well), and is able to find an open receiver after 10 seconds of doing so. Are the receivers getting open open all the time? No. Have they been open on alot of the replays over the years? Absolutely

QuoteWith all this crap going on I had the feeling Monday night and I have it now that McNabb is thinking "for who for what" when he goes out there. His coaching staff can't call a game properly and have built a team around their franchise QB without a receiver that can even beat the jam. Why the heck should he kill himself really. He'll bide his time and go be successful somewhere else...

Dont believe it for a second. Now we blame the coaching staff for giving McNabb every opportunity to make a throw and make a play? McNabb had that feeling of "for who for what" after the 1st game of the season? Please

Hold yourself accountable or beat it

I'll say this also, anyone who thinks racism doesn't exsist and isn't present in every stadium in football is a DMF. All you have to do is look to last year at the linc when people were sent out of the stadium for holding the take the ***** out and put in the *** sign.

The timing for this interview couldn't be worse. Every year for the last three or four years it's been some kind of stupid shtein compounded by injury that makes the world around him a media circus. I'm just as pissed as anyone about going 0-2, especailly when the last game was a loss to the skins along with some of the most terrible coaching and play calling we've ever seen in the Reid era, but all this is really starting to get blown out of proportion, as usual. Two games into the season and McNabbs career is over, he's a racist himself, and we will be lucky to win 4 games.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 19, 2007, 07:58:56 PM

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 19, 2007, 07:50:59 PM

It's all noise and personally I couldn't care less about him or his troubles.  Either you win or you're gone. 

Same here and that's the bottom line. He's the reason they're 0-2 right now.

Regardless of if he's traded/released/retires tomorrow he'll go down as one my all time favorite Eagles, but like Rhodes used to say "its time to shtein or get off the shteinter". So put up or shut up Donovan.

How can you lay all the blame on McNabb when Ried is playing him when he should be sitting and seeing the gameplan/run pass ratio that was called Monday Night? Thats just being narrow minded. Ried deserves most if not all of the blame for this 0-2 start, for playing McNabb and starting the season without a compatant punt returner.

Shorebird, you can blame Reid for the first game and I'll blame McNabb for the 2nd. Fair?

yeah but some even question his desire to win

its not a desire to win that he doesnt possess its a hatred of losing...he also has a huge probelm dealing with adversity...when everything is going smooth hes nerdy happy go lucky unfunny donovan...but the minute times get tough hes sulky crybaby give up and blame all the fans for my problems donovan

ill also take the desire to win thing one step further...his hatred of the people who booed him at the draft and his wip critics and eagle fans in general causes him to not wanna win as much as he should...deep down in places he would never admit too there is a desire in him to not wanna win a superbowl because it would give the fans what they want

Reid shares the blame on the sidelines. On the field its on McNabb. He's the biggest underachiever out there now. Who should Reid be starting at QB? Feeley - a career backup with a broken hand? Kolb? McNabb is the only option, he's being paid to perform. The whole "he's still rehabbing from an injury" is nonsense. He did fine last season when he missed 8 games the previous season due to a sports hernia. Granted if they have a competent PR in game 1 they probably win, but if McNabb is performing to even 75% of his normal level they score more points and those muffed punts are a non issue.

I blame Ried for the second game because of terrible play calling and not coming into the season with a compatant backup when your franchise player is coming off reconstructive knee surgery. I blame Lurie also for not wanting to pay Garcia, who wanted to stay here.

Racism is alive and well in every facet of our society.  So farging what?  None of this bullshtein has anything to do with race. 

It has to do with McNabb being an attentionwhoring, coddled child.  He's getting the publicity he and his family want for him, so who cares what the result to his team is?  After all, in his mind they really don't care about him at all, right?  If they did, they certainly wouldn't have drafted his eventual successor already.   :-D

Pro football is a result-oriented business.  If you don't get it done it doesn't matter what color your skin is, your ass is gone, period.

For all of his on-field skills, McNabb's annoying penchant for drawing attention to himself, especially in a negative light, is growing more and more intolerable.  I can't for the life of me understand why he's decided to go down this road, but whatever. . . maybe the writing is on the wall and he's decided to get proactive about it and force his departure rather than waiting around for Kolbsy to take the reins from him in a couple of years?

Either way it means a long and difficult climb back up to the top for this group, especially with guys like Tra Thomas, Runyan, Dawkins, Kearse, Spikes, etc. coming to the end of their careers sooner rather than later.

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 19, 2007, 08:16:40 PM
yeah but some even question his desire to win

its not a desire to win that he doesnt possess its a hatred of losing...he also has a huge probelm dealing with adversity...when everything is going smooth hes nerdy happy go lucky unfunny donovan...but the minute times get tough hes sulky crybaby give up and blame all the fans for my problems donovan

ill also take the desire to win thing one step further...his hatred of the people who booed him at the draft and his wip critics and eagle fans in general causes him to not wanna win as much as he should...deep down in places he would never admit too there is a desire in him to not wanna win a superbowl because it would give the fans what they want

I'm asking semi-seriously here.. has anyone ever laughed at anything he says?  Because after I read that and he really is so unfunny.  :-D

actually the injury is an excuse imo...hes played 8 quarters nine months after an inury many dont come back from for a year and an injury that keeps you from being 100% for two or more years...the injury is 90% of his problems now...

what isnt acceptable is his reaction to his latest struggles...dont come out and bash the fans again because youre going thru a rough time..buck up and try to fight thru it..hell come out and instead of some diatribe on black quarterbacks give an interview where you talk about how hurt you still are and how tough it is playing in an nfl game less than a year after an mcl tear

its not fair to your teammates to put your teams fans on blast because youve had a couple tough games

I just took a huge dump

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 19, 2007, 08:23:22 PM
actually the injury is an excuse imo...hes played 8 quarters nine months after an inury many dont come back from for a year and an injury that keeps you from being 100% for two or more years...the injury is 90% of his problems now...

what isnt acceptable is his reaction to his latest struggles...dont come out and bash the fans again because youre going thru a rough time..buck up and try to fight thru it..hell come out and instead of some diatribe on black quarterbacks give an interview where you talk about how hurt you still are and how tough it is playing in an nfl game less than a year after an mcl tear

its not fair to your teammates to put your teams fans on blast because youve had a couple tough games

the interview was done before the games were played from what I hear. Even so, the fact he decided to this crap all over again shows his lack of leadership again. He wanted to be hero trying to come back early, now its showing and hes kicking himself

Now he'll throw for 300+ yards and 3 TD's against the Lions  :-D

These McNabb debates make my loins wet. Haven't seen a good one in awhile.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 19, 2007, 08:25:11 PM
I just took a huge dump

In this thread, wouldn't it have been more appropriate to make a racist comment like "dropping the Huxtables off at the lake" or something?  I'm just thinking on the fly here... Munson's the expert on racism and rjs is the expert on taking dumps.

All the taterskins had to do to shut down McNabb was play man to man bump and run with our weak ass receivers and instead of using the run that was working really well they stayed with the pass all day. Didn't even attempt to use the run to free things up else where. McNabb is struggling right now but there are a ton of other guys on this football team and if the sun rises and sets with one guy for the team to win or lose then it'll never work.

Watching these recievers reminded me of the days of Thrash, Pink and Fred x. Yeah McNabb's struggling but the only part of the offense that isn't struggling right now is Brian Westbrook and he's only got 2% of the play book....

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 19, 2007, 08:22:59 PM
Racism is alive and well in every facet of our society.  So farging what?  None of this bullshtein has anything to do with race. 

It has to do with McNabb being an attentionwhoring, coddled child.  He's getting the publicity he and his family want for him, so who cares what the result to his team is?  After all, in his mind they really don't care about him at all, right?  If they did, they certainly wouldn't have drafted his eventual successor already.   :-D

umm ok that makes no sense. he did the interview b4 the season so it had no affect on the team or his play the first 2 games. and what is "this" that your talking about? the interview or the fact we are 0-2? how does everyone have inside information into what mcnabb is thinking or what reid is thinking. how do we know mcnabb thinks they dont care about him? did he say as much? or did igy read his mind again and then text you the scoop?

it seems that everyone is transferring their anger from the team, mcnabb, and reid being 0-2 onto this interview as if monday night after losing mcnabb went to HBO and said "hey guys i suck right now i need to take the heat off of me by raising a racial question....can you help a BROTHA out?".

the interview seems rather harmless to me personally cause it doesnt say anything new and nor does it say anyting out of this world.

Quote
Pro football is a result-oriented business.  If you don't get it done it doesn't matter what color your skin is, your ass is gone, period.

very true but very pointless. what this point even being brought up?

QuoteFor all of his on-field skills, McNabb's annoying penchant for drawing attention to himself, especially in a negative light, is growing more and more intolerable.  I can't for the life of me understand why he's decided to go down this road, but whatever. . . maybe the writing is on the wall and he's decided to get proactive about it and force his departure rather than waiting around for Kolbsy to take the reins from him in a couple of years?

right so when rush calls him out..mcnabb drew that attention. when TO called him a FO guy mcnabb asked for it. when the NAACP president calls him out for not being black enough, McNabb asked for it. man that evil mcnabb always asking for negativity.

and how is he forcing his departure? another thing about this whole situation i dont get. not only did he apparently say black QBs are treated differently but simultaneously he asked to be traded? 

QuoteEither way it means a long and difficult climb back up to the top for this group, especially with guys like Tra Thomas, Runyan, Dawkins, Kearse, Spikes, etc. coming to the end of their careers sooner rather than later.

more like it will be a long and hard climb back to the top when mcnabb leaves and all these old veterans retire or are let go and reid continues to coach and refuses to address the real weaknesses on the team and keeps building for a tomorrow that will never come under his tenure.

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 19, 2007, 08:23:22 PM
actually the injury is an excuse imo...hes played 8 quarters nine months after an inury many dont come back from for a year and an injury that keeps you from being 100% for two or more years...the injury is 90% of his problems now...

what isnt acceptable is his reaction to his latest struggles...dont come out and bash the fans again because youre going thru a rough time..buck up and try to fight thru it..hell come out and instead of some diatribe on black quarterbacks give an interview where you talk about how hurt you still are and how tough it is playing in an nfl game less than a year after an mcl tear

its not fair to your teammates to put your teams fans on blast because youve had a couple tough games

umm the interview was done before the season started. i have not seen the entire interview but im willing to go out on a limb and say he didnt just randomly say "hey JB you know what...your black and so am I so let me tell you about being a black qb in the NFL"....more like the conversation was steered that way. mcnabb took the bait but in reality what did he say that so outrageous or causing this uproar? that black QBs might not get a fair shake all the time? WOW WE NEEDED MCNABB TO SAY THAT FOR US TO KNOW THIS? why is everyone shocked by this? cause mcnabb said it? cause we are 0-2 and all we wanna hear from mcnabb is some tired and made up lines we have internalized from sports movies?

its as if everyone just woke up to how mcnabb feels as a black qb. we all know that he felt pressure, whether real or not, to prove himself to be a pocket passer as opposed to a "black qb" who can scramble. the fact he has both ends of the spectrum, from rush to a black activist grp, questioning him that he prolly knows deep inside that he is being watched under different lights than the white qbs.

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 19, 2007, 08:16:40 PM
yeah but some even question his desire to win

its not a desire to win that he doesnt possess its a hatred of losing...he also has a huge probelm dealing with adversity...when everything is going smooth hes nerdy happy go lucky unfunny donovan...but the minute times get tough hes sulky crybaby give up and blame all the fans for my problems donovan

ill also take the desire to win thing one step further...his hatred of the people who booed him at the draft and his wip critics and eagle fans in general causes him to not wanna win as much as he should...deep down in places he would never admit too there is a desire in him to not wanna win a superbowl because it would give the fans what they want

how would he prove to you that he hates losing? how does anyone prove to anyone they hate losing? saying it in as many words? well if he hasnt said "i hate losing" has he said "i dont mind if i lose?".

again its all YOU thinking what YOU wanna think about him. you have no source, no inside knowledge, or anyway to detemine how much he hates losing. and hes always the unfunny mcnabb...losing or winning. in fact i would say thats one of the best things about him (not that hes unfunny) but that it seems like a loss doesnt put him down to the point it carries over into the next week. see how easily i can turn what you consider him not caring into OMG WHAT A LEADER!

and right so hes putting his career and his health out on the line by coming back early even though deep down he doesnt want to win it for this city or its fans? if he really felt that way he would have asked for a trade a long time ago. he wouldnt just be unhappy in a city where he doesnt wanna be and with a fanbase he doesnt care for. its just speculation and BS. you sound like you know more about him than his wife would i bet.

wow...psycho homer with 27 more paragraphs defending mcnabb....SHOCKING!

I don't even know where to start, frankly.

I thought my comments made sense but apparently not to everyone.

Ah well.

Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 19, 2007, 09:18:21 PM
how would he prove to you that he hates losing? how does anyone prove to anyone they hate losing? saying it in as many words? well if he hasnt said "i hate losing" has he said "i dont mind if i lose?".

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they won't make sense until you write "McNabb RULEZ!2!#@!"

Quote from: reese125 on September 19, 2007, 08:02:22 PM

QuoteMcNabb has been asked to throw the ball 35-40 times a game to crap recievers.  He's been asked to run around behind the los for 14 seconds until a reciever can get open.  He's been asked to take off running and make plays and pick up first downs.  He's been asked/expected to win the Indy 500 while driving a Pinto.

No:
He's asked to run the west coast offense.
He's asked to release the ball before the WR's make their break
He's asked to check down when all else fails
He's supposed to throw with some accuracy and efficiency on a consistent basis after 20 years of playing football (not saying he hasn't alot of games, but its overwhelming how many times he overthrows and underthrows to wide open WR's). No other top QB has those kind of mechanics

He chooses to be the play maker on the majority of the 40 pass plays plays because of his scrambling ability inside and outside of the pocket. He holds on to the ball too long, and is forced to run around (which he could do very well), and is able to find an open receiver after 10 seconds of doing so. Are the receivers getting open open all the time? No. Have they been open on alot of the replays over the years? Absolutely

QuoteWith all this crap going on I had the feeling Monday night and I have it now that McNabb is thinking "for who for what" when he goes out there. His coaching staff can't call a game properly and have built a team around their franchise QB without a receiver that can even beat the jam. Why the heck should he kill himself really. He'll bide his time and go be successful somewhere else...

Dont believe it for a second. Now we blame the coaching staff for giving McNabb every opportunity to make a throw and make a play? McNabb had that feeling of "for who for what" after the 1st game of the season? Please

Hold yourself accountable or beat it

right so it had nothing to do with WRs liek trash who are 3rd string or Special teams players, or guys like Pinkston and Mitchell who are no in the league. hell that was a upgrade over what we had before in McNabbs first 2 seasons. had nothing to do with WRs who cant even get on the field on other teams and were force fed down our throats as "starting" calibur WRs?  so its all mcnabbs fault that he holds on to the ball while all world calibur WRs are open just waiting for him to realize he doesnt have to make a play with his legs? is that why seemingly each season he purposely runs less and less?

and magically when McNabb gets a good WR in Owens his accuracy improves, his timing improves, and he has to rely less on scrambling? mind boggling really.

you sound like andy reid. just cause hes been asked to run a west coast offense doesnt mean he had the tools to run the offense. and he will never be as accurate as he should be but we have seen when given a decent WR (Owens or even say Stallworth) he can def be one of the best QBs in the league.  your telling me couldnt give a draft pick for someone like moss? hell forget that what about stallworth? he seemed to be able to run pass defenders witch mcnabb finding him with ease.

mcnabb is playing bad. there is no denying it. but this interview has nothing to do with it. his age or his supposed inner motives to sabotage the team or the fan base has nothing to do with it. it has to do with the fact that hes coming back from a serious injury and he either shouldnt be starting or if he is....he should be helped by relying on the running game.

Quote from: SunMo on September 19, 2007, 09:24:17 PM
wow...psycho homer with 27 more paragraphs defending mcnabb....SHOCKING!

hey at least i learned to use the quote button properly.

not something to be proud of...it's not hard

Jesus christ. McNabb is a good quarterback. He was given shtein for talent around him. He's also as softbatch and whiney and in need of coddling as any athlete I've ever seen.

There's you're all right. Now shut the farg up.

Magical, you do realize that you write a Charlotte Web novel every time you respond to someone?

You trying to be Spadaro's intern?

Quote from: FastFreddie on September 19, 2007, 08:47:45 PM

Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 19, 2007, 08:25:11 PM
I just took a huge dump

In this thread, wouldn't it have been more appropriate to make a racist comment like "dropping the Huxtables off at the lake" or something?  I'm just thinking on the fly here... Munson's the expert on racism and rjs is the expert on taking dumps.

I said the first thing that came to mind after the joy of taking a nice long shtein. I've heard an alternate version of "dropping the Huxtables off at the lake" which is "dropping the Cosby kids off at the pool", but you're correct in that either would have been more appropriate. 

Quote from: reese125 on September 19, 2007, 04:42:13 PM
its pretty apparent all that talk about just trying to to whats best for the team, lead by example, and just wanting to play the game is all horseshtein. He needs to be in the spotlight, which is a crying shame for someone thats career is fading beyond belief.

Why the hell would he agree to do a report with Gumble knowing damn well it would come to bite him and the team in the ass....again? Sounds like he is trying to get traded to me.

Media circus...take 5

Maybe he actually is doing what's best for the team.  what is everybody talking about right now? 

The Eagles' 0-2 start, the way the recievers are not getting open, Reid&Co's lack of preparedness to go into the season with people on special teams that have never been in that critical position, or are they talking about McNabb and this "Black quarterback" thing?

This may just be horse hockey but it is another way to look at it.

I also find it amazing that people that have never experinced racism find it so easy to dismiss when someone articulates his or her feelings on the matter.

Quote from: Displaced on September 19, 2007, 10:53:17 PM

Quote from: reese125 on September 19, 2007, 04:42:13 PM
its pretty apparent all that talk about just trying to to whats best for the team, lead by example, and just wanting to play the game is all horseshtein. He needs to be in the spotlight, which is a crying shame for someone thats career is fading beyond belief.

Why the hell would he agree to do a report with Gumble knowing damn well it would come to bite him and the team in the ass....again? Sounds like he is trying to get traded to me.

Media circus...take 5

Maybe he actually is doing what's best for the team.  what is everybody talking about right now? 

The Eagles' 0-2 start, the way the recievers are not getting open, Reid&Co's lack of preparedness to go into the season with people on special teams that have never been in that critical position, or are they talking about McNabb and this "Black quarterback" thing?

This may just be horse hockey but it is another way to look at it.

I also find it amazing that people that have never experinced racism find it so easy to dismiss when someone articulates his or her feelings on the matter.

Mcnabb did the interview a month ago.. do you think he was predicting a zesty start, and zesty play by himself???  McNabb always like to play up the whole "me against the world" card whether it be the incident when he got booed on draft day or the fact that he's a black quarterback, he has a messiah complex.  Maybe he can star in the next Mel Gibson movie. 

Didn't feel like reading all 5 pages of this....but...

If Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer or Tom Brady said "Black quarterbacks get more scrutiny then we do.", they wouldn't be getting attacked like this. And you know it's true.


Kind of rediculous.


That being said, I'm tired of the race card being played everywhere.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 19, 2007, 10:28:53 PM

Quote from: FastFreddie on September 19, 2007, 08:47:45 PM

Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 19, 2007, 08:25:11 PM
I just took a huge dump

In this thread, wouldn't it have been more appropriate to make a racist comment like "dropping the Huxtables off at the lake" or something?  I'm just thinking on the fly here... Munson's the expert on racism and rjs is the expert on taking dumps.

I said the first thing that came to mind after the joy of taking a nice long shtein. I've heard an alternate version of "dropping the Huxtables off at the lake" which is "dropping the Cosby kids off at the pool", but you're correct in that either would have been more appropriate. 

Wrong. Black people are afraid of water and don't go swimming. God.

Dawkins: "Its a fair assesment" when asked about McNabb's remarks...

I caught the PC highlights on ESPNradio and I thought he explained himself. But whatever.

http://yardbarker.com/users/DonovanMcNabb

No Apologies


"There has been a lot of talk about the interview I did on HBO's Real Sports.
I have no apologies. I was asked a variety of questions and I answered them.
The fact that the producers and publicists at HBO decided to focus on those
answers that related to race shows that it remains a hot topic in society
today.

Let me address some feedback...

First, the interview took place in August before the season started so for
those who think I "played the race card" because we are 0-2 are dead wrong.

I did not say that Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Carson Palmer are not
criticized when they don't play well. They have been criticized when they
throw interceptions, when the throw incompletions, and when their teams
don't win. They are criticized and so is every other quarterback for that
matter. And that type of criticism may, in fact, be warranted. But that's
not the type of criticism that we discussed.

Black quarterbacks have to deal with different things than white
quarterbacks. If you don't think that's true than you are naïve. Peyton, Tom
and Carson to name a few, have never been asked what it's like to be a white
quarterback. They probably have not been told that they should have
scrambled more. I bet Fran Tarkenton, Steve Young, Jake Plummer,
and Doug Flutie have never been told by a member of any racial consciousness organization
that they don't play the quarterback position white enough.

I would love to live in a world where race is not an issue. But it is. I did
not ask HBO to interview me but I did consent. I did not bring up the topic
of race but I didn't back down from it either. This interview was supposed
to be about how my career has been surrounded by controversy and how my
upbringing has shaped the way I have dealt with it. Unfortunately, the
interview itself has created yet another controversy.

All I did was answer the questions that were asked of me honestly and
truthfully. I had no agenda. The people of Philadelphia have criticized my
coach for not answering questions. Now I'm criticized for answering
questions. I understand if people have a different opinion or view point
than I do, I really do. I think if there is one thing I understand better
than most people - it's okay to be different."

Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 19, 2007, 09:18:21 PM
how would he prove to you that he hates losing? how does anyone prove to anyone they hate losing? saying it in as many words? well if he hasnt said "i hate losing" has he said "i dont mind if i lose?".

how do you know that he hates losing?

QuoteThis interview was supposed
to be about how my career has been surrounded by controversy and how my
upbringing has shaped the way I have dealt with it. Unfortunately, the
interview itself has created yet another controversy.[/b]

All that makes too much sense for all the McNabb haters.

I don't get were rjs, igy and the rest think McNabb is coddled. Were do you get this? If anything, he gets more negative press and fan reaction than any qb out there. Do you think Reid is putting McNabbs head on his shoulder and telling him....don't worry, it's all going to be alright? You guys think you know everything that goes on in the lockeroom and McNabbs life, but you don't, you can't, and it's pretty ridiculous to think you do.

And here we go with the haters falling back on the homer card again. When someone like MR makes sense, he's a homer. You play the homer card more than Jessie Jackson plays the race card.

McNabb is not the problem on this team. It's the friggen' coach. McNabb could get healthy and play well, but it won't make much difference because the coach can't gameplan or draft worth a crap.

Quote from: shorebird on September 20, 2007, 06:26:30 AM

QuoteThis interview was supposed
to be about how my career has been surrounded by controversy and how my
upbringing has shaped the way I have dealt with it. Unfortunately, the
interview itself has created yet another controversy.[/b]

All that makes too much sense for all the McNabb haters.

I don't get were rjs, igy and the rest think McNabb is coddled. Were do you get this? If anything, he gets more negative press and fan reaction than any qb out there. Do you think Reid is putting McNabbs head on his shoulder and telling him....don't worry, it's all going to be alright? You guys think you know everything that goes on in the lockeroom and McNabbs life, but you don't, you can't, and it's pretty ridiculous to think you do.

And here we go with the haters falling back on the homer card again. When someone like MR makes sense, he's a homer. You play the homer card more than Jessie Jackson plays the race card.

McNabb is not the problem on this team. It's the friggen' coach. McNabb could get healthy and play well, but it won't make much difference because the coach can't gameplan or draft worth a crap.

reid straight sucks as a coach....where as mcnabb is a good qb but is bitchmade...these are both facts that have been and continue to be proven over and over again by the two

cant believe with a straight face you could say that mcnabb gets more criticism than any qb out there...its starting to turn somewhat but over his career hes has gotten infinitely more praise than criticism...in fact hes been overrated to a fairly high degree

Quote from: shorebird on September 20, 2007, 06:26:30 AM

QuoteThis interview was supposed
to be about how my career has been surrounded by controversy and how my
upbringing has shaped the way I have dealt with it. Unfortunately, the
interview itself has created yet another controversy.[/b]

All that makes too much sense for all the McNabb haters.

I don't get were rjs, igy and the rest think McNabb is coddled. Were do you get this? If anything, he gets more negative press and fan reaction than any qb out there. Do you think Reid is putting McNabbs head on his shoulder and telling him....don't worry, it's all going to be alright? You guys think you know everything that goes on in the lockeroom and McNabbs life, but you don't, you can't, and it's pretty ridiculous to think you do.

And here we go with the haters falling back on the homer card again. When someone like MR makes sense, he's a homer. You play the homer card more than Jessie Jackson plays the race card.

McNabb is not the problem on this team. It's the friggen' coach. McNabb could get healthy and play well, but it won't make much difference because the coach can't gameplan or draft worth a crap.

Dude, I live in Chicago.  Trust me, he doesn't get worse press than Rex Grossman.  The media out here flat out hate him.

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2007, 06:14:32 AM

Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 19, 2007, 09:18:21 PM
how would he prove to you that he hates losing? how does anyone prove to anyone they hate losing? saying it in as many words? well if he hasnt said "i hate losing" has he said "i dont mind if i lose?".

how do you know that he hates losing?

i personally do not know what goes in his head but at the same time i dont assume he does or does not. just because he doesnt show you something physically in terms of emotion or how you want him to act you assume that not only does he not care about winning but he secretly does not want to win for this town. now tell me honestly what sounds more logical...your theory about what he really wants in secret and how he doesnt hate losing or my theory that he prolly hates losing just as much as the other players on the field. he wouldnt play on a broken ankle, with a hernia, or come back early from a torn kneee injury if he did not care about winning or losing. better yet its his comebacks that tell me that maybe this guy cares about winning. mcnabb is not like moss or owens who would just easily not play or not play to their potential because they are unhappy with the team, the fans, or the something else. those are the guys who are proven to shut it down and not give a shtein. and that also shows to me that if he secrely did not want to win for this town he would not play on a broken ankle, thru a hernia, or come back early. i mean seriously you seem to think he has these sinister motives yet what he actually does proves otherwise.

but what do i know...im just a homer.

Quote from: shorebird on September 20, 2007, 06:26:30 AM
I don't get were rjs, igy and the rest think McNabb is coddled.

You have to be farging kidding me.

Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 20, 2007, 06:58:42 AM

Quote from: shorebird on September 20, 2007, 06:26:30 AM

QuoteThis interview was supposed
to be about how my career has been surrounded by controversy and how my
upbringing has shaped the way I have dealt with it. Unfortunately, the
interview itself has created yet another controversy.[/b]

All that makes too much sense for all the McNabb haters.

I don't get were rjs, igy and the rest think McNabb is coddled. Were do you get this? If anything, he gets more negative press and fan reaction than any qb out there. Do you think Reid is putting McNabbs head on his shoulder and telling him....don't worry, it's all going to be alright? You guys think you know everything that goes on in the lockeroom and McNabbs life, but you don't, you can't, and it's pretty ridiculous to think you do.

And here we go with the haters falling back on the homer card again. When someone like MR makes sense, he's a homer. You play the homer card more than Jessie Jackson plays the race card.

McNabb is not the problem on this team. It's the friggen' coach. McNabb could get healthy and play well, but it won't make much difference because the coach can't gameplan or draft worth a crap.

Dude, I live in Chicago.  Trust me, he doesn't get worse press than Rex Grossman.  The media out here flat out hate him.

of course rex gets it worst. prolly harrington too. carr when he was in houston. but thats not what mcnabb said. he did not say he gets it worse than rex or the other QBs when they are not playing well. he says simply diff playing as a black qb? why is that so hard to comprehend? why is it new or shocking? you do realize the nfl has a league rule for minority coach hiring? why? it is diff being a black/minority in a position where its dominated by whites generally. im telling if you ask any black qb playing today they will tell you the same thing. 

and on tom brady...he does not really deserve crtisism...hes proved his greatness time and time again.

Quote from: reese125 on September 19, 2007, 10:25:28 PM
Magical, you do realize that you write a Charlotte Web novel every time you respond to someone?

You trying to be Spadaro's intern?

yes i am actually. because you see im a homer. i wear mcnabb boxers.

anyway sorry for the long responses...i had nothing to do last night and reading all about this got the juices flowing.

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 20, 2007, 07:19:47 AM

Quote from: shorebird on September 20, 2007, 06:26:30 AM
I don't get were rjs, igy and the rest think McNabb is coddled.

You have to be farging kidding me.

Ha!

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QuoteThe people of Philadelphia have criticized my
coach for not answering questions. Now I'm criticized for answering
questions.

of course he takes another shot at eagles' fans...it's almost like he's begging to be traded.

certainly appears as tho hes had his fill of the city and would give up his good knee to get out

funny i always thought begging to be traded was when a player actually says as much and asks for a trade...most recently how culpepper did with miami. or iverson. or how moss did it.

as rsj would put it i wish all these atheletes would stfu but it is true in this case that when mcnabb does not speak it implies reid is holding him back or that he is too soft to say anythig and that when he does speak his mind he needs to shut it because no one wants to hear a rich spoiled athelete talk about racism.

Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 20, 2007, 10:27:52 AM
funny i always thought begging to be traded was when a player actually says as much and asks for a trade...most recently how culpepper did with miami. or iverson. or how moss did it.

you thought wrong.

Campbell and Young weighed in against McNabb.

LOLLERSKATES

Quote from: bowzer on September 20, 2007, 01:19:55 PM
Campbell and Young weighed in against McNabb.

Link?

They're mulattoes so their opinions don't count.

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From PFT:

POSTED 12:21 p.m. EDT, September 20, 2007

VINCE YOUNG CHIMES IN ON McNABB MESS

Another of the five other African-American starting quarterbacks in the NFL has chimed in on Donovan McNabb's recent comments regarding the differences in criticism of white quarterbacks and black ones.

And, whether Titans quarterback Vince Young intended it or not, we get the feeling that he's telling McNabb to quit whining.

"I really feel like myself, black or white quarterbacks, we all go through something because that is the life of a quarterback,'' Young said Wednesday, according to the Nashville Tennessean.  "You have to be able to handle all the pressure and you have to be able to handle the losses and you have to be able to handle the media saying this about you.

"If you can't handle it, then you have to get off that position and go play something else."

Possible translation:  "Donovan, you're not handling the pressure very well.  Maybe you should be a tight end."   


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POSTED 12:00 p.m. EDT, September 20, 2007

'SKINS QUARTERBACK DISAGREES WITH DONOVAN

In the two days since Donovan McNabb's controversial views regarding black and white quarterbacks were first revealed, few (i.e., no) players have spoken out in support of him.  (If we've missed anyone who has, let us know.)

And of the five other starting quarterbacks in the NFL who are black, one of them has expressed disagreement with Donovan's remarks.

"Early in my career in college, I felt like people looked at me differently and expected a lot more," said taterskins quarterback Jason Campbell, according to the Washington Times.  "I felt I had to do a little extra.  At that point, I did feel that way.  I don't feel that way now in the NFL.

"That's his opinion, and as an African-American quarterback, I have to support other African-American quarterbacks," Campbell added.  "But it's something I can't get caught up in.  I look at all quarterbacks as the same.  I support every guy who's playing the position.

"It's the hardest position to play in professional sports, and you get graded differently than any other position on the field.  Nine times out of 10 the ball is in your hands, so everybody is watching you.  Since you're in the spotlight, the mistakes get recognized.  You need thick skin and a short memory."

Though we agree with Campbell's sentiments, we're a bit troubled by his statement that he has to "support other African-American quarterbacks."  Is there some unwritten rule that African-Americans should support other African-Americans because they're African-Americans, regardless of what the person they're blindly supporting says, does, or believes?

And, if there is such a rule, is the failure to follow that rule the type of "black-on-black crime" that Terrell Owens allegedly committed against McNabb in 2005?

We're not qualified to attempt to engage in an in-depth study on the state of race relations in the U.S.  But, as we see it, God made us all different colors and shapes to see if we could get past those superficial differences and love each other the way He loves all of us.  With that said, we think there should be no presumptions of support for any race, creed, or heritage from folks who share the same characteristics.

Martin Luther King, Jr.'s dream wasn't that all people of his race would support each other no matter what they say or do;   his dream was merely that his children would "one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." 

We believe that Reverend King would say (and very well might have said) that this concept applies in both directions, and that unconditional support by African-Americans of other African-Americans simply because they are African-Americans runs contrary to his vision of a truly color blind society.

That ends our sociology lesson for today.  We'll now go back to making up more NFL rumors.

Fans in Washington & Nashville are notoriously hard on their players.

:-*

Quote
Martin Luther King, Jr.'s dream wasn't that all people of his race would support each other no matter what they say or do;   his dream was merely that his children would "one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." 

We believe that Reverend King would say (and very well might have said) that this concept applies in both directions, and that unconditional support by African-Americans of other African-Americans simply because they are African-Americans runs contrary to his vision of a truly color blind society.

*ding*

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 20, 2007, 01:22:16 PM
They're mulattoes so their opinions don't count.

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Donovan's doesn't either, he's not really black

Quote from: FastFreddie on September 20, 2007, 01:21:42 PM

Quote from: bowzer on September 20, 2007, 01:19:55 PM
Campbell and Young weighed in against McNabb.

Link?

Campbell's comments:  http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20070920/SPORTS01/109200097/1005/sports

Young comments in this article by ESPN:  http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3028161

Oops.  Zanshin beat me to it.  I'm gay.

Quote from: FastFreddie on September 20, 2007, 08:14:20 AM

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 20, 2007, 07:19:47 AM

Quote from: shorebird on September 20, 2007, 06:26:30 AM
I don't get were rjs, igy and the rest think McNabb is coddled.

You have to be farging kidding me.

Ha!

Then instead of saying he's coddled, tell me how.

I was at a bar in Lehigh this summer... and Mcnabb certainly didn't mind the slutty white girl he was hooking up with though. 

Quote from: shorebird on September 20, 2007, 01:35:12 PM
Then instead of saying he's coddled, tell me how.

1.  Never has to be accountable for any mistakes.  Reid always takes the blame.
2.  Consistently gets to drop back and pass 2/3 of the time, so that his yardage and completion stats are excellent, even when his completion % is horrendous.
3.  He decides when he plays, even when he's not healthy.
4.  Endless supply of horny slutty white women

I'll let others add to it.

1. Ried does this for the whole team, not just McNabb. Wrong.
2. How is this coddling? Your really reaching. If anything, it's hanging him out to dry with the crappy recievers he has had to throw to. Wrong.
3. You have no way of knowing this, your guessing. Wrong.
4.  :-D

I'm waiting for documented proof of what all you haters believe.

Quote from: FastFreddie on September 20, 2007, 01:42:05 PM

Quote from: shorebird on September 20, 2007, 01:35:12 PM
Then instead of saying he's coddled, tell me how.

1.  Never has to be accountable for any mistakes.  Reid always takes the blame.
2.  Consistently gets to drop back and pass 2/3 of the time, so that his yardage and completion stats are excellent, even when his completion % is horrendous.
3.  He decides when he plays, even when he's not healthy.
4.  Endless supply of horny slutty white women

I'll let others add to it.

1. how is not accountable for his mistakes? hes famour for in inaccuracy and his worm burners and usual slow start to a game. just cause reid might say "i have to put players in a better position" doesnt mean mcnabb is not accountable. who doesn take him to taks when he makes horrible throws. we

2. this is sort of a double edged sword....yeah hes lucky he gets to play for a pass happy coach but at the same time some of his injuries can be attributed to the fact they pass so much and do not protect him even when he is hurting. you think mcnabb does not want a running game?

3. every player all the time says they are good to go and ready to play. so now your going to fault him for playing on a broken ankle or thru a groin injury. that is the coach and the medical staff's job to decide if he is healthy enough and effective enough. its not like mcnabb held a gun to reid's head and said start me this season or ill shoot.

4. well....ok fine ill give you this one.

i thought you guys meant coddled as in he is not allowed to do press conferences. like when reid cancelled his press conference last season?

1. He pisses and moans about everything and yet he's still on the team and no one within the organization has ever dared to say a bad thing about him... oh, except for TO who was promptly shown the door.

Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 20, 2007, 01:50:07 PM
i thought you guys meant coddled as in he is not allowed to do press conferences. like when reid cancelled his press conference last season?

Thats not coddling either. Reid did that so no more negative attention was brought to the team as a whole with the media circus that was already gaining stream because of a so called qb controversy.

Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2007, 01:53:12 PM
1. He pisses and moans about everything and yet he's still on the team and no one within the organization has ever dared to say a bad thing about him... oh, except for TO who was promptly shown the door.

Pisses and moans about what? Being a black qb? This week is the first I've heard of it.

TO was shown the door because he didn't follow team rules, and was a complete ass. He tried to start a fight in the lockeroom for christ sakes. Thats why he was shown the door, not because he said something bad about McNabb.

Also, the whole team turned their backs on McNabb during that whole stream of crap that was TO. If he was coddled as you say, then Ried or one of his teamates would have taken up for him.

Wrong again.

You're such a clown it's unbelievable.

Keep defending him and his bitchy ass. I hope you enjoy him leading this team nowhere.

Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2007, 02:00:00 PM
You're such a clown it's unbelievable.

Keep defending him and his bitchy ass. I hope you enjoy him leading this team nowhere.

Whats he going to say when we lose to the DETROIT LIONS.  I REPEAT THE DETROIT LIONS.  And we're 0-3?

LOL THE WIDE RECEIVERZ WERENT OPEN MCNABB ISNT HEALTHY ANDY REID RULEZ

the team didnt take up for donovan then because donovan wouldnt take up for himself in the middle of attack after attack from TO...you cant get spit in the face time and time again and do nothing and expect to have the respect of grown men...well maybe richard simmons but thats about it

Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2007, 02:00:00 PM
You're such a clown it's unbelievable.

Keep defending him and his bitchy ass. I hope you enjoy him leading this team nowhere.

Sluuuuuuufffffffff.

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2007, 02:02:48 PM
the team didnt take up for donovan then because donovan wouldnt take up for himself in the middle of attack after attack from TO...you cant get spit in the face time and time again and do nothing and expect to have the respect of grown men...well maybe richard simmons but thats about it

He didn't take up for himself how, because he didn't blast TO in the press for you to hear and see?

He did.  He just waited a long time, then called it black-on-black crime.

he waited until TO was long gone and then he started taking his shots

because he didnt punch TO in his motherfarging mouth....hugh douglas had to do it

Quote from: Quasimoto on September 20, 2007, 02:02:06 PM

Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2007, 02:00:00 PM
You're such a clown it's unbelievable.

Keep defending him and his bitchy ass. I hope you enjoy him leading this team nowhere.

Whats he going to say when we lose to the DETROIT LIONS.  I REPEAT THE DETROIT LIONS.  And we're 0-3?

LOL THE WIDE RECEIVERZ WERENT OPEN MCNABB ISNT HEALTHY ANDY REID RULEZ

Hey bitch boy, have you read any of my post besides the last? I've said over and over that Reid is the main reason we are in the situation we are in.

Nice that your already giving the Lions the game. Hell, why even play?

Pathetic.

Let's bring back TO and trade McNabb. That would help.

It would, actually.


Does anyone remember when Donovan burned a key timeout in the Super Bowl to vomit?  That was fun.

Quote from: shorebird on September 20, 2007, 02:10:51 PM
Let's bring back TO and trade McNabb. That would help.

Maybe. I'd definately take Larry Fitzgerald for McNabb at this point.


Jay Feeley is dreamy...




....and white as snow.

Quote from: shorebird on September 20, 2007, 02:10:18 PM

Quote from: Quasimoto on September 20, 2007, 02:02:06 PM

Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2007, 02:00:00 PM
You're such a clown it's unbelievable.

Keep defending him and his bitchy ass. I hope you enjoy him leading this team nowhere.

Whats he going to say when we lose to the DETROIT LIONS.  I REPEAT THE DETROIT LIONS.  And we're 0-3?

LOL THE WIDE RECEIVERZ WERENT OPEN MCNABB ISNT HEALTHY ANDY REID RULEZ

Hey bitch boy, have you read any of my post besides the last? I've said over and over that Reid is the main reason we are in the situation we are in.

Nice that your already giving the Lions the game. Hell, why even play?

Pathetic.

Shoredaro.

Quote from: shorebird on September 20, 2007, 02:10:51 PM
Let's bring back TO and trade McNabb. That would help.

because its not possible to despise TO and want him to die and think that mcnabb was a bitch during the whole thing....its always amazed me during that whole thing how everyone felt they had to take a side

for the record id much rather have mcnabb than TO...but you also gotta call em like you see em...something youre clearly incapable of doing

Yeah, I remember the puking, and TO was the only one on the team to talk about it. I guess that means that McNabb was coddled over it. ::)

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Quote from: shorebird on September 20, 2007, 02:10:18 PM

Quote from: Quasimoto on September 20, 2007, 02:02:06 PM

Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2007, 02:00:00 PM
You're such a clown it's unbelievable.

Keep defending him and his bitchy ass. I hope you enjoy him leading this team nowhere.

Whats he going to say when we lose to the DETROIT LIONS.  I REPEAT THE DETROIT LIONS.  And we're 0-3?

LOL THE WIDE RECEIVERZ WERENT OPEN MCNABB ISNT HEALTHY ANDY REID RULEZ

Hey bitch boy, have you read any of my post besides the last? I've said over and over that Reid is the main reason we are in the situation we are in.

Nice that your already giving the Lions the game. Hell, why even play?

Pathetic.

Shoredaro.

And we have another sluffer. I thought soft shells were scarce this year.

Quote from: shorebird on September 20, 2007, 02:14:34 PM
Yeah, I remember the puking, and TO was the only one on the team to talk about it. I guess that means that McNabb was coddled over it. ::)

Yes, he was.

It was replayed over and over again on all sports channels world wide. Maybe we should have had Feeley or Garcia quarterbacking then, we would have won.

Matter of fact, last time I was at the Linc, about 5 guys a few rows in front of me were screaming about it.

I love how the fans are on McNabb for playing bad when he's not 100% HEALTHY

I love how the media and everyone else is making such a huge load about the race thing. I can see why he may feel that way and I can see why some dn't. Is he wrong for saying that? NO. He's not right either, but its just his opinion. Do they pay him to talk? No, so big fargin deal. You people say all he does is bitch? He's the leader of the team, the mic's always going to be in his face. Unfortunatley for him, he plays in Philly so whatever he says is automatically considered "bitching", especially when he plays bad.

I love how the "playcallers" continue to call pass after pass even when he's still hurt. Not even a 100% McNabb is a 40+ passing QB. Keep putting him in bad positions and we can all expect about 50% success. Do you all forget how well of a QB he is? I mean you just have to look at his stats and his winning % to understand the man can be productive. It's just sad those days are far from today. Mainly because he's been put in bad situations by his coaches and the FO for not getting him receivers that can A. Catch B. Get open. Yet we still have how much $cap room left? Is it fair to say the reason why McNabb has been hurt and playing below his abilities is because the team around him is not as good and the playcalling has more or less has not taken full advantage of his abilities? I would most def. say yes. 

If you want to blame anyone, blame the damn FO, the GM and the piss poor playcallers. These fargs have done very little to help progress the team.

if thats what you guys mean by coddled than reid does it for everyone on the team. he coddled trash and pinkston as well. ive never seen reid say a bad thing about one of his players. did he even ever say anything about TO publicly?i know he documented everything and layed it out for the court but while he was on the team i dont remember him saying anything.

No one's arguing Reid isn't a problem, also.

reid is a thousand times bigger problem than donovan...with a better coach they have at least one superbowl right now...donovan is more than good enough to win a sb...whereas reid isnt

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2007, 02:59:46 PM
reid is a thousand times bigger problem than donovan...with a better coach they have at least one superbowl right now...donovan is more than good enough to win a sb...whereas reid isnt

Ed Zachary. So get rid of Reid and keep McNabb.

I'm still a McNabb homer. I don't care what comes out of his mouth to be honest. I do care that he's the best QB in this franchises history and his tenure is coming to an end here and he'll leave on a bad note, like many of the athletes in this city do. I hate to see that happen. But oh well, when this team has shtein ass QBs for years after he's gone, we'll see what the reactions are then.

And yes, I know he's playing like ass this year. He's the only reason they lost to Washington.

yea thats his fault when they run their way to the redzone and then decide to pass once in the redzone. mcnabbs fault yup

Quotecod·dle      /ˈkɒdl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kod-l] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA

Pronunciation

–verb (used with object), -dled, -dling.

1.   to treat tenderly; nurse or tend indulgently; pamper:

The treatment that Donovan receives from Reid and everyone else involved in the Eagles management and ownership group fits that definition to a tee.

He's a pampered princess whose every whim is indulged - or at least, was indulged until this past offseason.

Even trying to deny that is beyond homeriffic. 

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 20, 2007, 03:15:02 PM

Quotecod·dle      /ˈkɒdl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kod-l] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA

Pronunciation

–verb (used with object), -dled, -dling.

1.   to treat tenderly; nurse or tend indulgently; pamper:

The treatment that Donovan receives from Reid and everyone else involved in the Eagles management and ownership group fits that definition to a tee.

He's a pampered princess whose every whim is indulged - or at least, was indulged until this past offseason.

Even trying to deny that is beyond homeriffic. 

It should also be pointed out that every team and just about every coach in the history of sport has treated their superstars differently than the ham 'n eggers who come in and fill out rosters.

Jimmy Johnson admitted that he had different rules for his guys and if the other scrubs didn't like it then they could go farg themselves.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 20, 2007, 03:11:49 PM
I'm still a McNabb homer. I don't care what comes out of his mouth to be honest. I do care that he's the best QB in this franchises history and his tenure is coming to an end here and he'll leave on a bad note, like many of the athletes in this city do. I hate to see that happen. But oh well, when this team has shtein ass QBs for years after he's gone, we'll see what the reactions are then.

And yes, I know he's playing like ass this year. He's the only reason they lost to Washington.

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you have to take into consideration that andy most likely knows exactly what kind of psyche donovan has and perhaps he coddles him because donovan wouldnt be able to handle someone being tough on him....i mean you see what happens everytime he goes thru tough times

I find it endlessly entertaining, this notion that once McNabb leaves the Eagles' quarterbacks will suck forever and ever.

Problems:
1. Andy Reid
2a. The rest of the front office
2b. Defensive talent evaluation
3. Donovan's whiney ass.
743. The future of the quarterback position.

True... because there's a long list of top-notch QB's in the history of the Eagles.  Plenty who have taken this team to a Super Bowl.

The past has everything to do with the future here. Good point.

the bottom line is this:

there is an evil Jew curse on us as philly sports fans no matter who plays for our teams when, they will never win anything

i love you all and i'm going on a severe heroin binge right about.....now

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Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2007, 03:24:44 PM
you have to take into consideration that andy most likely knows exactly what kind of psyche donovan has ....

mmm...not trusting Andy to understand any psyche. See parenting skills.

Quote from: EagleFeva on September 20, 2007, 03:40:00 PM
True... because there's a long list of top-notch QB's in the history of the Eagles.  Plenty who have taken this team to a Super Bowl.

Only one threw up and got tired at the end of the game..<whistle smiley.gif>

Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 03:46:29 PM
the bottom line is this:

there is an evil Jew curse on us as philly sports fans no matter who plays for our teams when, they will never win anything

i love you all and i'm going on a severe heroin binge right about.....now

much better

Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2007, 03:31:11 PM
I find it endlessly entertaining, this notion that once McNabb leaves the Eagles' quarterbacks will suck forever and ever.

the only time that ever comes out is when people criticize donovan and his defenders dont know what else to say

if two donovan lovers are talking and the future at qb for the eagles comes up in a context not related to donovan hate no one says the eagles should just fold as a team after 5 retires...no point in even watching cobb hes gonna suck...oh and then the guy after cobb will suck too...in fact theres no point in even being an eagle fan in the future

it only comes up as a defense mechanism

Quote button? Really?

i think green #5 is staying in the closet this week

hello blue and yellow #5!

Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2007, 03:59:33 PM
Quote button? Really?

Seriously. Also, his name is spelled Kolbsy.

Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 03:59:59 PM
i think green #5 is staying in the closet this week

hello blue and yellow #5!

make sure to send die hard over to my tailgate to let me know how it looks on you

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2007, 04:03:02 PM
make sure to send die hard over to my tailgate to let me know how it looks on you

i'm pretty sure God would be merciful enough to flip my truck over for me on the way down

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2007, 03:58:34 PM

Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2007, 03:31:11 PM
I find it endlessly entertaining, this notion that once McNabb leaves the Eagles' quarterbacks will suck forever and ever.

the only time that ever comes out is when people criticize donovan and his defenders dont know what else to say

if two donovan lovers are talking and the future at qb for the eagles comes up in a context not related to donovan hate no one says the eagles should just fold as a team after 5 retires...no point in even watching cobb hes gonna suck...oh and then the guy after cobb will suck too...in fact theres no point in even being an eagle fan in the future

it only comes up as a defense mechanism

I have plenty to say about 5.  Plenty to say about the good and the bad... what I feel he means and should mean to his fans/organization.  Plenty to say about how I think most here are completely overreacting and are totally missing the point of his recent comments and wouldn't even come close to being able to truly understand where he's coming from.  Fortunately or unfortunately... it's not something that I feel like typing out or going that deeply into here on a MB.  I guess it's just something that we'll all have to hold summit over the next time we're all same place, same time.

Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 04:07:03 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2007, 04:03:02 PM
make sure to send die hard over to my tailgate to let me know how it looks on you

i'm pretty sure God would be merciful enough to flip my truck over for me on the way down

Don't tease me like that.

i would never wear one of those jerseys, so i'm not teasing you

i'm too farging important to be taken from this earth

Quote from: EagleFeva on September 20, 2007, 04:09:02 PM
I have plenty to say about 5.  Plenty to say about the good and the bad... what I feel he means and should mean to his fans/organization.  Plenty to say about how I think most here are completely overreacting and are totally missing the point of his recent comments and wouldn't even come close to being able to truly understand where he's coming from.  Fortunately or unfortunately... it's not something that I feel like typing out or going that deeply into here on a MB.  I guess it's just something that we'll all have to hold summit over the next time we're all same place, same time.

Frankly your thoughts are the only one's I'm interested in as far as this conversation goes. Well, your thought and MY thoughts, of course. I farging LOVE me. And my thoughts. But especially my wang.

Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 04:10:21 PM
i would never wear one of those jerseys, so i'm not teasing you

i'm too farging important to be taken from this earth

Well.. I must admit, you have me tempted to go out and buy/send you one of those hideous things just for the off chance that you'd wear it, and the good Lord would then have good damn reason to flip your ass over in your truck and then (if He really loves me), send a semi carrying a tanker full of full-blown AIDS slamming into your overturned truck and spilling every drop of it's cell-killing goodness into your system... just before the truck explodes, of course... therefore sending you to hell with the AIDS... and then you'd truly have hella-AIDS.

AIDS is just an old wive's tale.

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2007, 03:58:34 PM

Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2007, 03:31:11 PM
I find it endlessly entertaining, this notion that once McNabb leaves the Eagles' quarterbacks will suck forever and ever.

the only time that ever comes out is when people criticize donovan and his defenders dont know what else to say

if two donovan lovers are talking and the future at qb for the eagles comes up in a context not related to donovan hate no one says the eagles should just fold as a team after 5 retires...no point in even watching cobb hes gonna suck...oh and then the guy after cobb will suck too...in fact theres no point in even being an eagle fan in the future

it only comes up as a defense mechanism

I'll still be an Eagle fan when 5 leaves or retires, which ever comes first. And I'm not that much of a McNabb lover to not wish that Feeley was healthy so he could start this week, or even Kolb. With the way he played last week, we would have more of a chance to win. That is if Reid would call the game towards his teams strengths.

Quote from: EagleFeva on September 20, 2007, 04:14:19 PM
Well.. I must admit, you have me tempted to go out and buy/send you one of those hideous things just for the off chance that you'd wear it, and the good Lord would then have good damn reason to flip your ass over in your truck and then (if He really loves me), send a semi carrying a tanker full of full-blown AIDS slamming into your overturned truck and spilling every drop of it's cell-killing goodness into your system... just before the truck explodes, of course... therefore sending you to hell with the AIDS... and then you'd truly have hella-AIDS.

if that isn't the begning of the next summer blockbuster comic book movie, i don't know what is

AIDSman, coming to a theater near you

This thread has taken a turn for the hilarious.

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2007, 03:24:44 PM
you have to take into consideration that andy most likely knows exactly what kind of psyche donovan has and perhaps he coddles him because donovan wouldnt be able to handle someone being tough on him....i mean you see what happens everytime he goes thru tough times

so then why does reid do this with everyone else as well? mcnabb just gets the most attention of the players as he is the QB. in fact he is the only "star" on the team since westbrook is not as well known. if you actually looked across the board reid treats all his players pretty much the same way...deflecting blame onto himself.

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2007, 03:58:34 PM

Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2007, 03:31:11 PM
I find it endlessly entertaining, this notion that once McNabb leaves the Eagles' quarterbacks will suck forever and ever.

the only time that ever comes out is when people criticize donovan and his defenders dont know what else to say

if two donovan lovers are talking and the future at qb for the eagles comes up in a context not related to donovan hate no one says the eagles should just fold as a team after 5 retires...no point in even watching cobb hes gonna suck...oh and then the guy after cobb will suck too...in fact theres no point in even being an eagle fan in the future

it only comes up as a defense mechanism

i like the fact that you bring "defense mechanism" when you have yet to answer any questions i ever raise about your insights into mcnabb's psyche, feelings, or his true motives about not wanting to win for this fan base. so you ignore all that and say what anyone who defends mcnabb uses this as a defense mechanism. really now?

no one is saying that mcnabb is the last good qb eagles will have or the best. but i do not care about the future really....i wanna win now. and i know with mcnabb we are not that far away (we were just there actually) and the only thing holding us back is the FO's philosophy (Reid basically) and Reid's play calling. and just because Kolb is the future...i do not want to see this thing blown up and have to wait another 3-4 yrs b4 the team regains form and competes for a superbowl. its not just mcnabb you have to get rid of then...you have to get rid of a lot of other veterans if you wanna restart. you think with reid in charge it will be any diff under any other qb? we will still have positions that are never addressed and bad in game coaching. then what? you will want that qb out as well? i rather we get rid of the coach and go for it all just once.

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2007, 03:58:34 PM

Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2007, 03:31:11 PM
I find it endlessly entertaining, this notion that once McNabb leaves the Eagles' quarterbacks will suck forever and ever.

the only time that ever comes out is when people criticize donovan and his defenders dont know what else to say

if two donovan lovers are talking and the future at qb for the eagles comes up in a context not related to donovan hate no one says the eagles should just fold as a team after 5 retires...no point in even watching cobb hes gonna suck...oh and then the guy after cobb will suck too...in fact theres no point in even being an eagle fan in the future

it only comes up as a defense mechanism

Wrong. I could say that when comparing Donovan to the rest of the QBs in the NFL we see a guy each week who has a pretty damn good winning percentage, who makes plays and who is regarded by his peers and coaches in the NFL as one of the game's elite.

However, here in Philadelphia we have people who scrutinize things about him constantly. Rather than seeing what I posted above, these people whine about this perceived lack of balls, whining, coddling and just about every other opinion-related thing out there. Those things are not fact; those things are perceptions created by the anti-5 crowd. So the guy vomits, big deal. So the guy's Mom is a farging wingnut. Who gives a shtein?

I care about winning and this QB has won a lot of games, doesn't usually make bad decisions with the ball (unless Ronde Barber is sniffing around the area) and that's about it.

So Kolb might be good. I sure hope he is because the Kevin Kolb era is rapidly approaching.

i like the fact that you bring "defense mechanism" when you have yet to answer any questions i ever raise about your insights into mcnabb's psyche, feelings, or his true motives about not wanting to win for this fan base.



he obviously despises the fans of the city so how could he possibly have a strong enough desire to win for them...more jeremiah trotters ike reeses troy vincents and brian dawkins and less keebler soft batch cookies on the team would be a good thing

the problem is andy and age is getting rid of all the ray rhodes type players and replacing them with weak willed and/or non athletic mush

the entire andy reid philosophy is over...its run it course...they need a new attitude a new direction...and truth be told at this point that most likely doesnt include donovan

face it dook its just about over for 5

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 20, 2007, 04:45:17 PM
these people whine about this perceived lack of balls, whining, coddling and just about every other opinion-related thing out there. Those things are not fact; those things are perceptions created by the anti-5 crowd.

exactly, and if you don't conform to their way of thinking, your an idiot homer.

i guess him moping around with a towel on his head when they are losing...that's an opinion created by the anti-5 crowd?

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2007, 04:46:58 PM
he obviously despises the fans of the city so how could he possibly have a strong enough desire to win for them

How is it so obvious he hates the fans and doesn't want to win for them? Even if your opinion has any truth to it, after all the bullcrap he's endured, you don't think he would want to win for himself so he could thumb his nose at fans like you?

Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 05:02:13 PM
i guess him moping around with a towel on his head when they are losing...that's an opinion created by the anti-5 crowd?

Would you rather have him standing there with a big grin on his face like he used to after a incompletion?

I'd mope also if I were called upon to execute the lame ass gameplan he had against the Skins.

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2007, 04:46:58 PM
i like the fact that you bring "defense mechanism" when you have yet to answer any questions i ever raise about your insights into mcnabb's psyche, feelings, or his true motives about not wanting to win for this fan base.



he obviously despises the fans of the city so how could he possibly have a strong enough desire to win for them...more jeremiah trotters ike reeses troy vincents and brian dawkins and less keebler soft batch cookies on the team would be a good thing

the problem is andy and age is getting rid of all the ray rhodes type players and replacing them with weak willed and/or non athletic mush

the entire andy reid philosophy is over...its run it course...they need a new attitude a new direction...and truth be told at this point that most likely doesnt include donovan

face it dook its just about over for 5

you keep saying what i bolded but have yet to prove it. in fact the fact hes played thru injuries and come back early shows he cares enough to win. how you somehow translate that into him not hating losing or him not wanting to win i have no clue. and even for a moment if i somehow assume your unproven theory....how has that translated to the field? 
again you have to just look at what hes done instead of what you think he feels. ive pointed out before that guys like moss, owens, and other knuckleheads actually do quit on teams and try to sabotage a season. they do not care about the fans or give a "eff" about anything. you have somehow concluded thats what mcnabb is like as well.

shorebird, do Donovan's balls taste good?

Quote from: shorebird on September 20, 2007, 05:05:00 PM

Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 05:02:13 PM
i guess him moping around with a towel on his head when they are losing...that's an opinion created by the anti-5 crowd?

Would you rather have him standing there with a big grin on his face like he used to after a incompletion?

I'd mope also if I were called upon to execute the lame ass gameplan he had against the Skins.

i'd rather he be up in someone's ass getting things straight on the sideline

Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 05:02:13 PM
i guess him moping around with a towel on his head when they are losing...that's an opinion created by the anti-5 crowd?

honestly you guys do not know what you want. you want him to not laugh/grin...you dont want him to be upset...to speak more...speak less...you do not want him to do anything and everything. its not going to happen. i do not care really how he reacts on the sideline as long as it helps him get back on the field and correct his mistake.  if laughing it off gets him to calm down than so be it. if putting a towel on his head does it then so be it.

seriously we are discussing how a player reacts to a bad play on the sideline now? at least before you guys stuck to his accuracy problems...now its going into some really weird angles.

Quote from: FastFreddie on September 20, 2007, 05:06:08 PM
shorebird, do Donovan's balls taste good?

And again, when you have nothing else, your penchant for homosexual acts shows it's face. You have been wrong again about McNabb in this thread, so you do what any other hater does when backed into a corner, throw insults.

Whatever man, pad that post count.

Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 20, 2007, 05:11:12 PM
seriously we are discussing how a player reacts to a bad play on the sideline now? at least before you guys stuck to his accuracy problems...now its going into some really weird angles.

you claim that the opinions of him being a whiney bitch are unfounded and made up, i bring up an example and now you call it "weird"

typical

Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 05:09:06 PM

Quote from: shorebird on September 20, 2007, 05:05:00 PM

Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 05:02:13 PM
i guess him moping around with a towel on his head when they are losing...that's an opinion created by the anti-5 crowd?

Would you rather have him standing there with a big grin on his face like he used to after a incompletion?

I'd mope also if I were called upon to execute the lame ass gameplan he had against the Skins.

i'd rather he be up in someone's ass getting things straight on the sideline

You mean like TO did to him? Call someone out on the sidelines and make a big scene? Yeah, that would work real nice.

yeah, it works much better when he hides under his towel

Quote from: shorebird on September 20, 2007, 05:24:18 PM

Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 05:09:06 PM

Quote from: shorebird on September 20, 2007, 05:05:00 PM

Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 05:02:13 PM
i guess him moping around with a towel on his head when they are losing...that's an opinion created by the anti-5 crowd?

Would you rather have him standing there with a big grin on his face like he used to after a incompletion?

I'd mope also if I were called upon to execute the lame ass gameplan he had against the Skins.

i'd rather he be up in someone's ass getting things straight on the sideline

You mean like TO did to him? Call someone out on the sidelines and make a big scene? Yeah, that would work real nice.

thats what i mean when i say they dont really know what they want from him. they want him to be fiery but not cause a scene. to not speak but also to speak.

and the towel thing...thats how he is whiney bitch because he is upset at himself and throws a towel on his head. plus mcnabb is not the only player who puts a towel on his head when upset or when losing. i guess all players who put a towl on their heads are whiny bitches.

please, stop embarrassing yourself

ok ill stop embarrassing myself.

ill go put a towel on my head.

TK and Wilbon defend McNabb on PTI, as does the Around The Horn crowd...


Stop bitching about the bitcher.

McNabb > Any QB this team has had. Who cares if he's opinionated in a way that you don't like. He is not what's wrong with this team. Reid's refusal to run the ball when McNabb has a bum knee is what's wrong. End of story.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 20, 2007, 04:45:17 PM
Wrong. I could say that when comparing Donovan to the rest of the QBs in the NFL we see a guy each week who has a pretty damn good winning percentage, who makes plays and who is regarded by his peers and coaches in the NFL as one of the game's elite.

You just described Michael Vick. Is Michael Vick a good quarterback? Is his attitude, subjective as our opinions about it are, above reproach? Of course not. You guys just can't bring yourselves to criticize that which you've come to rely upon. And it's really very sad.

Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 05:02:13 PM
i guess him moping around with a towel on his head when they are losing...that's an opinion created by the anti-5 crowd?

See this is the thing that drives me nuts...how do you know he's moping? He always has that damn towel on his head. They hand him that shtein along with the visor when he gets to the sideline.

So because SunMo and others perceive him as moping, it becomes fact when interjected into discussions. That gets the ball rolling when said on radio and TV and then other fans pick up on it as fact. We're not in his head and when peole speak as if they are it is wrong, IMO.

You want to see him yelling and screaming at people...but what does that do? Some people just don't respond to that. Some people just aren't wired like that.

For example, I caught some of the Pittsburgh game where they were talking about how Roethlisberger told the coaches that he tunes them out and doesn't respond well to being yelled at.

And how many times, because I know I have done this myself, have you seen someone try to act like you know that's not how they are? Like you see a normally quiet guy who is all of a sudden mouthy and in your face. I'm like "what the fargs up with this dude, he's never been like that".

So because you think he's moping, he is, correct? And that supersedes anything he does on the field because if he has a bad series or whatever and tosses the towel on his head, bam, he's whining.

It's a perception vs. fact thing here....

Phreak I respect your opinion but I think you're incredibly off base on this.  McNabb has said himself he's not a vocal leader and that he leads by example.  So far, through two games, his examples have been absolute shtein.  So if he's leading by example then what is the team expected to look like?

This team responded well to Garcia's rah-rah nature and have looked complacent by all accounts when Donnie is out there.  Why is that? 

IMO, he isn't a leader.  He's another player on the team and he's looking for someone else to step up.  I think it's sad because if Don could get over his thin skin and nice personality he could be among the great of the greats.  He may be the greatest Eagle QB but that doesn't mean anything as far as Super Bowls and HOF go.

His time here is done.  He, Andy, you and I can see the writing on the wall.  He just can't handle it here.  Is it right?  I don't know.  But is it coming?  Yes, it is.

Quote from: Quasimoto on September 20, 2007, 07:03:11 PM
Phreak I respect your opinion but I think you're incredibly off base on this.  McNabb has said himself he's not a vocal leader and that he leads by example.  So far, through two games, his examples have been absolute shtein.  So if he's leading by example then what is the team expected to look like?

Yes, he's played like shtein.

Yes, it's mostly because he's no where close to 100%.

Yes, Reid, THE GODDAMN COACH, should recognize this and run the ball more.

Quote from: Munson on September 20, 2007, 07:09:53 PM
Yes, Reid, THE GODDAMN COACH, should recognize this, sit him until he's healthy, and run the ball more.

Yes.

Quote from: FastFreddie on September 20, 2007, 07:12:03 PM

Quote from: Munson on September 20, 2007, 07:09:53 PM
Yes, Reid, THE GODDAMN COACH, should recognize this, sit him until he's healthy, and run the ball more.

Yes.

I'd agree but that would just start even more controversy/shtein and the media circus would spin WAY out of control.

Quote from: Munson on September 20, 2007, 07:13:52 PM

Quote from: FastFreddie on September 20, 2007, 07:12:03 PM

Quote from: Munson on September 20, 2007, 07:09:53 PM
Yes, Reid, THE GODDAMN COACH, should recognize this, sit him until he's healthy, and run the ball more.

Yes.

I'd agree but that would just start even more controversy/shtein and the media circus would spin WAY out of control.

Not if they're winning or at least being competetive. 

Quote from: Munson on September 20, 2007, 07:13:52 PM


I'd agree but that would just start even more controversy/shtein and the media circus would spin WAY out of control.

why would you even say that you agree with someone who agrees with your original point?

you really are a water headed douche

Yeah, let's make keeping the media calm our top priority, shall we?

Quote from: Munson on September 20, 2007, 07:09:53 PM

Quote from: Quasimoto on September 20, 2007, 07:03:11 PM
Phreak I respect your opinion but I think you're incredibly off base on this.  McNabb has said himself he's not a vocal leader and that he leads by example.  So far, through two games, his examples have been absolute shtein.  So if he's leading by example then what is the team expected to look like?

Yes, he's played like shtein.

Yes, it's mostly because he's no where close to 100%.

Yes, Reid, THE GODDAMN COACH, should recognize this and run the ball more.

If he's not 100% why is he out there?

Is a 75 % Donnie better than a 100 % Kolb?   Who knows.  We won't know thanks to Andy.

Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2007, 06:21:42 PM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 20, 2007, 04:45:17 PM
Wrong. I could say that when comparing Donovan to the rest of the QBs in the NFL we see a guy each week who has a pretty damn good winning percentage, who makes plays and who is regarded by his peers and coaches in the NFL as one of the game's elite.

You just described Michael Vick. Is Michael Vick a good quarterback? Is his attitude, subjective as our opinions about it are, above reproach? Of course not. You guys just can't bring yourselves to criticize that which you've come to rely upon. And it's really very sad.

Vick is different and not nearly as good as McNabb, anyone with a set of eyes knows this.

Anyways, I have and will criticize McNabb. As I did earlier I will continue to lay this loss to Washington solely at his feet because he was garbage all night long.

I've never said he was perfect nor have I shied away from ripping him when he deserves it.

Umm... a 75% Donovan wasn't nearly good enough to beat the Packers & taterskins.

Quote from: Quasimoto on September 20, 2007, 07:03:11 PM
Phreak I respect your opinion but I think you're incredibly off base on this.  McNabb has said himself he's not a vocal leader and that he leads by example.  So far, through two games, his examples have been absolute shtein.  So if he's leading by example then what is the team expected to look like?

This team responded well to Garcia's rah-rah nature and have looked complacent by all accounts when Donnie is out there.  Why is that? 

IMO, he isn't a leader.  He's another player on the team and he's looking for someone else to step up.  I think it's sad because if Don could get over his thin skin and nice personality he could be among the great of the greats.  He may be the greatest Eagle QB but that doesn't mean anything as far as Super Bowls and HOF go.

His time here is done.  He, Andy, you and I can see the writing on the wall.  He just can't handle it here.  Is it right?  I don't know.  But is it coming?  Yes, it is.

I hear you and I respect what you say, but I disagree. First of all because I think this leader thing is totally overblown. I am not saying leadership is not needed, because it is. But I would love to have that word stricken from the English language when it comes to talking about McNabb. Partly because it's used so much on the radio I've come to despise any leadership discussions about the quarterback.

I think the team responded last year because of several reasons, not just Garcia's rah-rahness. One reason was the run, another reason was the run allowed the OL to maul people and wear defenses down, another reason was the playcalling was excellent down the stretch. Garcia gets entirely too much credit for that stretch last year. He played good, no doubt. But let's not forget that he was off a few times and the playcalling and running the ball bailed him out.

And I think he can handle it here and has done so. What I think is that people here don't like him and make it seem like he can't handle it because we hear the "fortitude + towel over head + puking" stuff.

But yeah, its coming to an end and I, to be honest, don't agree with it. There is no reason whatsoever he should be even considered to be moved on out of here.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 20, 2007, 07:28:23 PM

Quote from: Quasimoto on September 20, 2007, 07:03:11 PM
Phreak I respect your opinion but I think you're incredibly off base on this.  McNabb has said himself he's not a vocal leader and that he leads by example.  So far, through two games, his examples have been absolute shtein.  So if he's leading by example then what is the team expected to look like?

This team responded well to Garcia's rah-rah nature and have looked complacent by all accounts when Donnie is out there.  Why is that? 

IMO, he isn't a leader.  He's another player on the team and he's looking for someone else to step up.  I think it's sad because if Don could get over his thin skin and nice personality he could be among the great of the greats.  He may be the greatest Eagle QB but that doesn't mean anything as far as Super Bowls and HOF go.

His time here is done.  He, Andy, you and I can see the writing on the wall.  He just can't handle it here.  Is it right?  I don't know.  But is it coming?  Yes, it is.

I hear you and I respect what you say, but I disagree. First of all because I think this leader thing is totally overblown. I am not saying leadership is not needed, because it is. But I would love to have that word stricken from the English language when it comes to talking about McNabb. Partly because it's used so much on the radio I've come to despise any leadership discussions about the quarterback.

I think the team responded last year because of several reasons, not just Garcia's rah-rahness. One reason was the run, another reason was the run allowed the OL to maul people and wear defenses down, another reason was the playcalling was excellent down the stretch. Garcia gets entirely too much credit for that stretch last year. He played good, no doubt. But let's not forget that he was off a few times and the playcalling and running the ball bailed him out.

And I think he can handle it here and has done so. What I think is that people here don't like him and make it seem like he can't handle it because we hear the "fortitude + towel over head + puking" stuff.

But yeah, its coming to an end and I, to be honest, don't agree with it. There is no reason whatsoever he should be even considered to be moved on out of here.

I agree in a sense that the leadership thing is overblown in some cases.  But this team looks so uninspired right now and is practically BEGGING for someone to step up.  I don't have a problem with someone not being vocal but if you're going to be that way you need to show up on the field.  McNabb hasn't.  Now this can be argued this is the front office's fault which in large part it probably is.  If he's not 100 percent he shouldn't be on the field right now.

Not to mention I really think the players on the team are getting frustrated with it all.  Did you hear Reggie after the taterskins game?  He was upset that people indicated he wasn't open.  He said he was and insinuated anyone who says otherwise is lying.  IMO that is an indirect shot at McNabb.

And I completely agree about the run game.  Why can't we do that with McNabb?  I'm not trying to get all over McNabb's back here.  The run game would be very useful especially if he's not 100 percent.  There is so much blame to go around I'm pretty much losing track.

It's coming to an end in the worst way, too.  I really wanted to win a Super Bowl under McNabb.  He has all the tools but for whatever reason they could never get it done.  Whether it's right or not I guess we'll find out when/if he leaves Philadelphia and goes to another team. 

i don't care what people from Houston say

Andy Reid and his refusal to run the ball is a much bigger problem than McNabb. But McNabb and Andy Reid together is a big problem and if Reid isn't going to go, then McNabb has to.

Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 07:37:10 PM
i don't care what people from Houston say

Or Souderton

Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2007, 07:37:51 PM
Andy Reid and his refusal to run the ball is a much bigger problem than McNabb. But McNabb and Andy Reid together is a big problem and if Reid isn't going to go, then McNabb has to.

This is so true.  It's like when McNabb steps on the field Andy gets a huge boner for the pass game.  He's going to get McNabb hurt again this season if he keeps the pace up that he's at now.

Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 20, 2007, 07:38:47 PM

Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 07:37:10 PM
i don't care what people from Houston say

Or Souderton

or bead necklace wearing Romes

Especially them

Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 07:37:10 PM
i don't care what people from Houston say

Me either. farg 'em!

you spit into a cup more than you drink from one, calm down

 :-D

Truth.

Quote from: Quasimoto on September 20, 2007, 07:03:11 PM
Phreak I respect your opinion but I think you're incredibly off base on this.  McNabb has said himself he's not a vocal leader and that he leads by example.  So far, through two games, his examples have been absolute shtein.  So if he's leading by example then what is the team expected to look like?

This team responded well to Garcia's rah-rah nature and have looked complacent by all accounts when Donnie is out there.  Why is that? 

IMO, he isn't a leader.  He's another player on the team and he's looking for someone else to step up.  I think it's sad because if Don could get over his thin skin and nice personality he could be among the great of the greats.  He may be the greatest Eagle QB but that doesn't mean anything as far as Super Bowls and HOF go.

His time here is done.  He, Andy, you and I can see the writing on the wall.  He just can't handle it here.  Is it right?  I don't know.  But is it coming?  Yes, it is.

and these past 2 games summarize his whole career? the dude is injured. when he was not hurt, even with crappy WRs he was better than what he is now. the team responded to him then.

and im sure a lot of players prolly react better to guy like garcia when he gets pumped up (no homo) but you want mcnabb to fake that? if thats not in him he shouldnt force it. have you ever seen eli manning lead the pre game team huddle/speech? its pretty laughable. thats how this would be.

Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 20, 2007, 09:08:16 PM
and these past 2 games summarize his whole career? the dude is injured. when he was not hurt, even with crappy WRs he was better than what he is now. the team responded to him then.

and im sure a lot of players prolly react better to guy like garcia when he gets pumped up (no homo) but you want mcnabb to fake that? if thats not in him he shouldnt force it. have you ever seen eli manning lead the pre game team huddle/speech? its pretty laughable. thats how this would be.

He's something like 9-12 since the Super Bowl.  I don't know if Kolb is the answer.  But this isn't acceptable.

What should have happened is Garcia/Feeley should have started the season.  McNabb is clearly not ready. 

But my point about him being done is more of the fact that the writing is on the wall.  The Eagles draft Kolb.  They start to put the spin on it and are distancing themselves from them especially the black QB comments.  It's not going to end well for Donnie here.

well obviously it helps the FO if they create a excuse sort of to get rid of him since he isnt that old and when he becomes healthy he might have a good run or 2 in him still to go to the playoffs.

i agree with you if he is not completely healthy he shouldnt be starting. and if he is starting still he should be helped by catering the gameplan to what he can do and what he can not do. sort of like what we did with garcia. thats what confuses me so much about this whole mess.

maybe andy gave up the play calling last yr because he was saddened that without mcnabb he couldnt pass so much?

Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 20, 2007, 09:22:42 PM
well obviously it helps the FO if they create a excuse sort of to get rid of him since he isnt that old and when he becomes healthy he might have a good run or 2 in him still to go to the playoffs.

i agree with you if he is not completely healthy he shouldnt be starting. and if he is starting still he should be helped by catering the gameplan to what he can do and what he can not do. sort of like what we did with garcia. thats what confuses me so much about this whole mess.

maybe andy gave up the play calling last yr because he was saddened that without mcnabb he couldnt pass so much?

Whatever the case.  I think most people can agree this sucks and if we go 0-3 we have a HUGE problem on our hands.

we already have a huge problem on our hands

Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 09:34:42 PM
we already have a huge problem on our hands

I get it.  It's a subtle fat joke about Andy Reid. 

actually, no.  a straight forward post about this team being 0-2

Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 09:39:56 PM
actually, no.  a straight forward post about this team being 0-2

First the AIDs blanket and now this.  Why can't you just play with emotions and pretend to be telling a joke?

just hope we win, giants beat taterskins, and dallas loses to the bears. cmon rex!

Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 07:17:06 PM

Quote from: Munson on September 20, 2007, 07:13:52 PM


I'd agree but that would just start even more controversy/shtein and the media circus would spin WAY out of control.

why would you even say that you agree with someone who agrees with your original point?

you really are a water headed douche

Learn to read. He edited my post, and I was saying I'd agree with the edit but it wouldn't be worth all the media attention the team/fans/McNabb would have to deal with.

Way to drive the point home about how wrong you are.

Oh no!  Let's not cause a stir in the media over Donovan!  Better keep him on the field, even if he's too injured to play at an NFL level!  Yes!


Chode.

Quote from: FastFreddie on September 21, 2007, 05:59:48 AM
Chode.

Munson = (http://www.meloncorp.com/arch/0014/choda.jpg)

Quote from: FastFreddie on September 21, 2007, 05:59:48 AM
Way to drive the point home about how wrong you are.

Oh no!  Let's not cause a stir in the media over Donovan!  Better keep him on the field, even if he's too injured to play at an NFL level!  Yes!


Chode.

The eaasier, lest controversial solution, would be to run the ball more. The team is distracted enough, it doesn't need to deal with the shtein storm that would be McNabb's benching.

Wrong again.

1.  Balance the offense; run the ball more.
2.  Put in a quarterback that makes more throws than he misses.

Quote from: FastFreddie on September 21, 2007, 01:57:34 PM
Wrong again.

1.  Balance the offense; run the ball more.
2.  Put in a white quarterback that makes more throws than he misses.

fixed

lolol

so true

Well, unless they trade for a black guy, that's really their only option.

I missed the Skins game as well as this crap.  Thank god for errands.

That's a lot of errands.  You're not turning into someone's bitch are you, Dio? 

*Edit*  Apparently he is. 

Quote from: Diomedes on September 21, 2007, 02:26:22 PM
So yeah..I got married.

QuoteAfter two full weeks of action, let's take a look at the quarterbacks who currently reside on the wrong side of the career passer rating of 70.7 generated by Kordell Stewart.  It's the unofficial line of demarcation between the so-so and the bad quarterbacks.

The guys who make the list are, from highest to lowest:  Alex Smith, 69.1; Donovan McNabb, 68.8; J.P. Losman 68.3; Josh McCown, 68.0; Damon Huard 66.5; Drew Brees, 66.4; Jason Campbell, 66.3; Matt Leinart, 66.2; Steve McNair, 63.7; Kellen Clemens, 60.2; Rex Grossman, 55.1; Tarvaris Jackson, 40.0.

At the other end of the spectrum are Tom Brady, 134.2; Tony Romo, 119.3; Jeff Garcia, 116.8; Jake Delhomme, 112.2; and Matt Schaub, 111.4.

Gold.  Standard.

Quote from: Quasimoto on September 20, 2007, 02:02:06 PM

Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2007, 02:00:00 PM
You're such a clown it's unbelievable.

Keep defending him and his bitchy ass. I hope you enjoy him leading this team nowhere.

Whats he going to say when we lose to the DETROIT LIONS.  I REPEAT THE DETROIT LIONS.  And we're 0-3?

LOL THE WIDE RECEIVERZ WERENT OPEN MCNABB ISNT HEALTHY ANDY REID RULEZ

So much for losing to the Lions.

farging dumbass neggie bitches. Eat shtein and die.

HATERZ

McNabb = elite QB. Off his ass.

elite? 


bwaha

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 23, 2007, 04:57:19 PM
McNabb = elite QB. Off his ass.

We all knew that.  But the haters like to hate.

Quote from: PPinDC on September 19, 2007, 04:24:40 PM
Figured it might be a could place to track him throughout the season, and watch his career fade into nothingness.

PHI: D. McNabb 21-26, 381 yds, 4 TDs

A little early to say he's fading.  :paranoid

But yes, his comments were asstastic....

2 awful games mean nothing. Only the game where he plays well...

As you all know by now, I don't think he's an awful QB. I think he's a good QB. I also think he needs to shut the farg up and stop whining like a girl.

Quote from: rjs246 on September 23, 2007, 05:31:48 PM
2 awful games mean nothing. Only the game where he plays well...

He's had bad games before this year. He's had a lot more good games than bad.

he will be elite when he wins a super bowl

i predicted a loss to the skins and the game really meant nothing

i predicted a win against the lions and then game meant nothing

its superbowl or bust...and trust me they arent winning a superbowl this year.....nor making one

i said it before this game its the friggin detroit lions...i didnt understand why so many people were picking the birds to lose...no way the eagles are losing at home to the farging detroit lions...they STINK...again the detroit lions!?!?!?

I'll be the first to admit this is much better than I expected from McNabb.  Apparently, the brace was a bigger problem than the injury itself.

Still, he's weak-minded and will not win a Super Bowl for us in Philadelphia.  Book it.

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 23, 2007, 07:41:25 PM
its superbowl or bust...and trust me they arent winning a superbowl this year.....nor making one

I don't think they make the Superbowl either. They will be doing something to make the playoffs. But I don't think the season is a bust if they don't win the Superbowl. If they don't make the playoffs, get swept by the Skins and Giants, then yeah, the season is a big bust.

 :-D  You cats are funny as hell.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 23, 2007, 04:57:19 PM
McNabb = elite QB. Off his ass.

Word to Big Bird.

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 23, 2007, 07:41:25 PM
he will be elite when he wins a super bowl

i predicted a loss to the skins and the game really meant nothing

i predicted a win against the lions and then game meant nothing

its superbowl or bust...and trust me they arent winning a superbowl this year.....nor making one

i said it before this game its the friggin detroit lions...i didnt understand why so many people were picking the birds to lose...no way the eagles are losing at home to the farging detroit lions...they STINK...again the detroit lions!?!?!?

this game means a lot when mcnabb plays as well as he has played in a long while. everyone was talking about him snapping out of his funk and he did that today. next week's game against the giants will determine this was a fluke or not...although with their horrible D (esp the 2ndary) i think we can put up some points on them as well.

oh btw superbowl or burst? in the off season you were saying this team is not even a playoff team and now its superbowl or burst?

Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 23, 2007, 08:57:30 PM
this game means a lot when mcnabb plays as well as he has played in a long while. everyone was talking about him snapping out of his funk and he did that today.

McNabb completed 18 consecutive passes at one point, and finished 21-for-26. I repeat, 18 consecutive passes. Not bad for a weak minded inacurrate qb.

2 disgustingly awful games and 1 awesome game for mcnabb...he's definitely elite!  :yay

didn't you hear?  the previous games don't count!  only the one against a terrible defensive team

Quote from: SunMo on September 23, 2007, 09:35:55 PM
didn't you hear?  the previous games don't count!  only the one against a terrible defensive team

Only now, after you picked the Lions to win, and they get absolutely destroyed by the Eagles are you calling them a terrible defensive team. If they were so friggen' great on the other side of the ball like you thought, then they would have overcome their terrible defense.

it was obvious they weren't very good defensively, but the Eagles looked worse offensively.  i didn't think the Eagles would be able to pull their shtein together and score enough to win, i was wrong.  but that doesn't change the fact the Lions are a putrid defensive team.

its not like everyone was not pissed about the first 2 losses but jesus you cant even be happy on the day they win and win how they did.

hey douchefunhole...i've said a couple times that i was thrilled about today...try and keep up with the big boy talk

right like you keep up with any criticism us "homers" have off mcnabb...only to chime in later and call us homers for defending him on certain points. besides the comment was in general so dont get ur panties in a bunch.

haha at "panties in a bunch" i guess you are and shorebird are IMing back and forth telling each other what to say...it's cute.

He doesn't need me  to tell him what to say, he's doing fine on his own.

By the way, is anyone going to do something about SunMo's sig? It's pretty cool, but screws me up typing. Everything is flashing.

I don't get the super bowl or bust thing really. I knew this wasn't a SB team before the season started and it had nothing to do with McNabb.

Granted I didn't think that they'd start off 0-2...

I agree.  It's never been Super Bowl or Bust for me.  I've said a hundred times, I'd rather have a good team that does well all season and keeps me happy than a crappy one.  The loss in the playoff hurts, but I wouldn't trade the 10-6 record or whatever just because it's a "bust"

Enjoy the wins, dudes. 

'Superbowl or Bust' ranks just below 'Team of Destiny' as a 'kiss of death' 

Quote from: shorebird on September 23, 2007, 04:32:20 PM

Quote from: Quasimoto on September 20, 2007, 02:02:06 PM

Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2007, 02:00:00 PM
You're such a clown it's unbelievable.

Keep defending him and his bitchy ass. I hope you enjoy him leading this team nowhere.

Whats he going to say when we lose to the DETROIT LIONS.  I REPEAT THE DETROIT LIONS.  And we're 0-3?

LOL THE WIDE RECEIVERZ WERENT OPEN MCNABB ISNT HEALTHY ANDY REID RULEZ

So much for losing to the Lions.

farging dumbass neggie bitches. Eat shtein and die.

I like how you quoted the most sarcastic comment I made in this thread.

I'm ecstatic we won.  farg the Lions.  Did I have reason to be concerned?  Hell yeah.  Why don't they reel off about 13 more of these and I'll have sex with a very large woman.

Quote from: Quasimoto on September 24, 2007, 06:17:45 AM
I like how you quoted the most sarcastic comment I made in this thread.

It was directed at me, so I quoted it.

you know if it helps mcnabb i hope he comes out this week and makes fun of midgets or something. anything to get him going.

Quote from: hunt on September 23, 2007, 09:32:09 PM
2 disgustingly awful games and 1 awesome game for mcnabb...he's definitely elite!  :yay

You're right.  The 1st 2 games of the year define the quality of McNabb's career.  And here I was thinking that what he's done over the last 8 years would define how good he is.

Silly me.

It's obvious Feva is desirous for a black quarterback to do well.

Feva Limbaugh Mondessire in da hizzouse!!!

actually these first three games define mcnabbs career perfectly...a couple hideous games where he looks like a high school qb and acts like a high school kid off the field...and one great game where all is fine

this is why i said neither of these last two games means anything...its what mcnabb is...expect some more horrendous games and expect some good games...the bottom line is can he win a superbowl

after watching them for three games i dont think the eagles are gonna make the superbowl this year...but they most certainly can in a terrible conference...and once you get there anythign can happen...if mcnabb is the elite qb everyone likes to portray him as he should take this team at least to the superbowl


as for yesterday mcnabb executed the plays to perfection but i credit the win to reid and mornignwheg...they identified the lions cornerbacks as what they are...the worst tandem in the nfl...and they schemed routes to perfectly expose them...mcnabb didnt have much to do but toss the ball up there

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 24, 2007, 08:02:06 AM
actually these first three games define mcnabbs career perfectly...a couple hideous games where he looks like a high school qb and acts like a high school kid off the field...and one great game where all is fine

If he has two "hideous" games and then a great one... it's amazing how he's managed to win 66% of his starts.  I'd say the exact opposite is true... to where he'll have one of those terrible games every 3 or 4 starts.

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 24, 2007, 08:02:06 AM
as for yesterday mcnabb executed the plays to perfection but i credit the win to reid and mornignwheg...they identified the lions cornerbacks as what they are...the worst tandem in the nfl...and they schemed routes to perfectly expose them...mcnabb didnt have much to do but toss the ball up there

Sorry IG's, but this is some bullshtein.

We've talked about McNabb a number of times and you alwaysseem to come down with when the Eagles lose, it's on McNabb because "he's the quarterback".  I remember specifically you said this about the Super Bowl. 

Yesterday... "he was the quarterback" in a record setting performance and you should be giving him the credit he deserves there as well.  Not that Andy and Marty weren't on point, but if you blame McNabb for the losses... you gotta give him props for the wins too.

Quote from: EagleFeva on September 24, 2007, 08:14:11 AM
Not that Andy and Marty weren't on point, but if you blame McNabb for the losses... you gotta give him props for the wins too.

"yesterday mcnabb executed the plays to perfection"

"but i credit the win to reid and mornignwheg"

yeah i do

just like weeks one and two i didnt fault mcnabb for the losses and put it all on reid...even tho donovan was terrible

Quote from: EagleFeva on September 24, 2007, 07:42:38 AM

Quote from: hunt on September 23, 2007, 09:32:09 PM
2 disgustingly awful games and 1 awesome game for mcnabb...he's definitely elite!  :yay

You're right.  The 1st 2 games of the year define the quality of McNabb's career.  And here I was thinking that what he's done over the last 8 years would define how good he is.

Silly me.

you are silly if you think that past 8 years have a damn thing to do with how mcnabb plays this season.  he's 10-12 since the super bowl, right?

the gb game was a D for mcnabb.
the wash game was an F.
and the det game was an A.

i think that averages out to around a C or C- so far.


elite!

Being 10-12 since the SB has something to do with how he'll play this season though?


... and don't call me silly.  That hurt.

i've always thought of you as cooky

Games like yesterday make the ones he played against the Packers & Racists all the more exasperating.

If he's capable of playing as well as he did against the Lions then there's no legitimate reason he should be sucking ass like he did the first two weeks.

Quote from: EagleFeva on September 24, 2007, 09:09:37 AM
Being 10-12 since the SB has something to do with how he'll play this season though?

not much but recent history is more relevant than looking at how mcnabb played back in 1999-2004.

take that, mr. silly.

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 24, 2007, 09:20:31 AM
Games like yesterday make the ones he played against the Packers & Racists all the more exasperating.

If he's capable of playing as well as he did against the Lions then there's no legitimate reason he should be sucking ass like he did the first two weeks.

Yep.

Personally, I'm using the knee brace as a scapegoat.  It's obvious that was holding him back.

Quote from: SunMo on September 24, 2007, 09:15:30 AM
i've always thought of you as cooky

Cooky?  I can deal with cooky.


Cooky... and incredibly well endowed.

It's kooky, you freaks.

Don't be so sure about that.  Black guys are held to a higher standard in that regard.


That said, Moloko9 tells me you're no Joselio Hanson.

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 24, 2007, 09:35:16 AM
It's kooky, you freaks.

Tripods like myself couldn't give two shteins about speeling.

Quote from: FastFreddie on September 24, 2007, 09:35:23 AM
That said, Moloko9 tells me you're no Joselio Hanson.

Gimme a chance to "work" him again and then see what he says then.

 :-D

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 24, 2007, 09:35:16 AM
It's kooky, you freaks.

yeah, you would use a 'k', racist

I'm not a racist.  I'm an elitist money-lover.  Get it straight, white devil.

elitist money-lovers are racist by nature

well that was fun.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 23, 2007, 04:57:19 PM
McNabb = elite QB. Off his ass.

I'd really like to know your definition of elite.

manning brady and mcnabb of course

I think we should show McNabb some support instead of ripping him down.  He is the best Eagles quarterback we ever had.  Before him we would be lucky to make the playoffs.  Now we expect to win the Superbowl.  Big difference. 

That is all.

Tom Brady

01 SB  1 TD, 0 INT, 86.2 QB Rating = win
03 SB 3 TDs, 1 INT, 100.5 QB Rating = win
04 SB 2 TDs, 0 INT, 110.2 QB Rating = win

= Elite

Donovan McNabb

01 NFCC 1 TD, 1 INT, 73.1 QB Rating = loss
02 NFCC 0 TD, 1 INT, 58.5 QB Rating = loss
03 NFCC 0 TD, 3 INTs, 19.3 QB Rating = loss
04 SB 3 TDs, 3 INTs, 75.4 QB Rating = loss

= very good QB, but not elite


Before people get too wound up, Rodney farging Peete helped post 55? points against the Lions.

A balanced offense = what can happen from week to week for the Birds. Yes, it was the Lions, but still, you rarely see domination in a game like yesterday in any NFL game. The run game totally set-up everything and it worked to perfection. Its fundamental football and the coaches did their jobs yesterday, FINALLY. Sticking to that game plan is something I am not sold on yet, because Reid could be calling the plays next week and McNabb could be throwing 40 plus passes. 

They took full advantage of McNabbs abilities yesterday. The took the pressure off of him and ran. It totally opened up the field and he hit everyone. As Ive screamed for years, he's no 40+ pass QB and yesterday is a great example of what can happen when they run that type of offense. Im just crossing my fingers to see if the coaches stick to it, or if they just fall right back to the pass happy bullshtein that doesn't work with the players we have. If they do and they lose more and more, the ownership needs to step up and fire someone because its so obvious what works and what doesn't its pathetic to let it go on and on.

McNabb is a SB caliber player, he can def win the big one, its just he needs to be utilized correctly, just like the rest of the players. It all starts with the coaches and how they place the players.  The rest is up to the players to execute.

Even when utilized correctly, Donovan is not a crunch-time performer.  Ultimately, he will not win a Super Bowl.  The best that we can hope for is that the rest of the team is so good that McNabb just has to not lose the game.  The rest of the team, however, is not that good.

Quote from: mussa on September 24, 2007, 02:32:30 PM
A balanced offense = what can happen from week to week for the Birds. Yes, it was the Lions, but still, you rarely see domination in a game like yesterday in any NFL game. The run game totally set-up everything and it worked to perfection. Its fundamental football and the coaches did their jobs yesterday, FINALLY. Sticking to that game plan is something I am not sold on yet, because Reid could be calling the plays next week and McNabb could be throwing 40 plus passes. 

They took full advantage of McNabbs abilities yesterday. The took the pressure off of him and ran. It totally opened up the field and he hit everyone. As Ive screamed for years, he's no 40+ pass QB and yesterday is a great example of what can happen when they run that type of offense. Im just crossing my fingers to see if the coaches stick to it, or if they just fall right back to the pass happy bullshtein that doesn't work with the players we have. If they do and they lose more and more, the ownership needs to step up and fire someone because its so obvious what works and what doesn't its pathetic to let it go on and on.

McNabb is a SB caliber player, he can def win the big one, its just he needs to be utilized correctly, just like the rest of the players. It all starts with the coaches and how they place the players.  The rest is up to the players to execute.

lost in all the hoopla is the fact those wide open lanes that curtis was running thru were created because the play action actually worked. on all 3 of his TD receptions there was a play action and the LBs and Safeties bit hard. why you ask? reid finally ran the ball early and ran it often....and westbrook was brilliant. it forced the defense to have to respect each and every fake.

westbrook wont be able to put up those numbers in the 1st qrt of each game but the very threat of him is enough. if the coaches stick to running him often in the first qrt and then utilizing the pass the offense can put up 20+ pts consistently i believe. but of course im pretty sure they wont. i just get the feeling reid will see the passing stats and go "oh wow why even run" and will forget that the run set up the passing attack yesterday.

Agreed - did you see the fake pitch to Westbrook where every player in the secondary bit?  That was farging beautiful.

Quote from: Cerevant on September 25, 2007, 06:39:18 AM
Agreed - did you see the fake pitch to Westbrook where every player in the secondary bit?  That was farging beautiful.

that was actually a pretty smart call considering we use that fake to the FB pitch out to Westbrook a lot now and it usually does work for a good 5-7 yd gain. i think i bit on that too and my eyes were following Westbrook.

i don't know why they don't run more simple pitch plays with Westbrook, they run him between the tackles too much IMO.  let him run wide with Andrews pulling and Tapeh leading the way, he'd be able to bust some long runs.

Quote from: SunMo on September 25, 2007, 08:27:47 AM
i don't know why they don't run more simple pitch plays with Westbrook, they run him between the tackles too much IMO.  let him run wide with Andrews pulling and Tapeh leading the way, he'd be able to bust some long runs.

I think it depends on the defense, but even so, I prefer the majority of the runs up the middle.  The quicker you get Westbrook to the line of scrimmage, the more juice he has to make a big play.  Plus, both the Eagles starting tackles are not the most agile at this point in their respective careers.

Quote from: SunMo on September 25, 2007, 08:27:47 AM
i don't know why they don't run more simple pitch plays with Westbrook, they run him between the tackles too much IMO.  let him run wide with Andrews pulling and Tapeh leading the way, he'd be able to bust some long runs.

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 10, 2007, 02:22:59 PM
i know they did that misdirection chest pass toss to westbrook twice yesterday on 3rd and ones but something they need to do a lot more of and this has been the case for years now is toss sweep westbrook more...they run him between the tackles way to much

what's your point

I think he wanted to point out that you're swinging from his nuts.

pretty much...and while there isnt a whole lot of room left they are a very strong pair

he's obviously the first person to think of that

Detroit made Tapeh look fast Sunday