1pm presser
guess the knees couldn't hold up anymore
love trot....like the move
I'm actually relieved. The guy was terrible late last season...ESPECIALLY in the playoffs.
So, who starts in the middle? Spikes or Gaither?
ive championed spikes in the middle since the day they signed him....at this point in his career and post injuries i think hes best suited there
tho i think it will be gaither...this isnt all about trotter not being able to play anymore i think a big part of it is what theyve seen of gaither in the middle during camp
link? ^-^
get vick!1!
okay...that made no sense.
Not surprised. I don't think they'll put Spikes in the middle, and Gaither outside. It'll be the reverse. Spikes, Gaither, Kong/Bradley. It does kind of make me nervous that suddenly the LB corps is so young and inexperienced.
Quote from: PPinDC on August 21, 2007, 10:10:47 AM
Not surprised. I don't think they'll put Spike in the middle, and Gaither outside. It'll be the reverse. Spikes, Gaither, Kong/Bradley. It does kind of make me nervous that suddenly the LB corps is so young and inexperienced.
Uh yeah, which is why I'd like some proof. (not WIP proof, real proof)
Good.
yeah...he's still traitor to REAL eagles fans like me.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 21, 2007, 10:11:19 AM
Uh yeah, which is why I'd like some proof. (not WIP proof, real proof)
The proof will come. You didn't see this coming?? You'll be surprised when he the axe man gets the axe?
Not your proof PG, but definately a pointer.
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Omar goes to work
Omar Gaither, who started the second half of last season at weak-side linebacker, got much of the work with the starting defense yesterday at middle linebacker, although the significance of that wasn't immediately clear since there was nobody around to talk about it.
Gaither, who is on the first nickel, has been backing up Jeremiah Trotter this summer at middle.
Trotter is entering his 10th NFL season, has bad knees and is coming off an admittedly disappointing 2006 season.
This didn't appear to be a case of Reid resting a veteran, since Trotter was out there working with the second-team defense.
Reid met with the media before practice and wasn't available after practice. There was no locker room access or player availability following practice.
gargano reported it...hes buddies with trot and got it directly from him
trot will be on wip mid day show to talk about it
joint news conference at 1 pm
birds asked him if he wanted to retire but hes gonna give it another shot
Quote from: PPinDC on August 21, 2007, 10:10:47 AM
Not surprised. I don't think they'll put Spike in the middle, and Gaither outside. It'll be the reverse. Spikes, Gaither, Kong/Bradley. It does kind of make me nervous that suddenly the LB corps is so young and inexperienced.
With the other choice right now being "old & crippled", youth wins. ;D
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 21, 2007, 10:11:19 AM
Quote from: PPinDC on August 21, 2007, 10:10:47 AM
Not surprised. I don't think they'll put Spike in the middle, and Gaither outside. It'll be the reverse. Spikes, Gaither, Kong/Bradley. It does kind of make me nervous that suddenly the LB corps is so young and inexperienced.
Uh yeah, which is why I'd like some proof. (not WIP proof, real proof)
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/
Wingspan, thanks....that's all I wanted to see.
wow, crazy. Good move, but i'm suprised
See ya Trot.
Spadaro confirmed in his section too
its sad these days that no one believes anything unless they see it on the internet...whatever happened to breaking a story the old fashioned way
Very interesting. I feel okay about it, though. Apparently, you need working knees to play MLB. Who knew?
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2007, 10:20:20 AM
its sad these days that no one believes anything unless they see it on the internet...whatever happened to breaking a story the old fashioned way
WIP happened.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 21, 2007, 10:16:01 AM
Wingspan, thanks....that's all I wanted to see.
::)
Gotta believe they're going bring in another veteran, just in case Gaither/Kong slip. Trying to think of who is out there, I know the Skins released Lemar Marshall, who is average at best....
Wow.
Phreak's gonna be pissed... :paranoid
wtf the guy couldnt even be a backup?? guess they told him he lost his spot to Bradley or Gaither and he asked to be cut.
i like the move from the aspect that its exciting to see a new guys in there but lets not automatically assume that because trotter is finished that the guys replacing him can do the job
like ppdc said the linebacker corps is scarily unproven and could be a total disaster....it will be fun to watch these guys grow up...but now its gotta be this year
Quote from: PPinDC on August 21, 2007, 10:23:16 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 21, 2007, 10:16:01 AM
Wingspan, thanks....that's all I wanted to see.
::)
I don't believe ANYTHING these days that's just "reported" on the radio. I wanted to see proof of it. So farg off.
BREAKING NEWS BANNER ON PE.com
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 21, 2007, 10:23:48 AM
Wow.
Phreak's gonna be pissed... :paranoid
...and he's in Peru without a phone
So, Trot just bought all of those car washes around here....wonder if he'll change the color scheme of them (they're green, black and white now).
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 21, 2007, 10:25:15 AM
I don't believe ANYTHING these days that's just "reported" on the radio. I wanted to see proof of it. So farg off.
Not believing it is fine. Asking for a link is fine. When you do it like you do, from on high, immediately discounting it moreso based on who posted it, it pisses people off. If Phreak, Rome, or Ed posted it, there probably wouldn't even be a question.
So farg off.
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 21, 2007, 10:23:48 AM
Wow.
Phreak's gonna be pissed... :paranoid
NITTY SIX!
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2007, 10:25:02 AM
like ppdc said the linebacker corps is scarily unproven and could be a total disaster....it will be fun to watch these guys grow up...but now its gotta be this year
The LBs have been a disaster with trotter. I don't mind a fresh set of LBs just to see what sticks. If you have Spikes in the middle, the experience level is the same as it was.
I'd be ok with Gocong/Bradley - Spikes - Gaither.
Quote from: PPinDC on August 21, 2007, 10:31:37 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 21, 2007, 10:25:15 AM
I don't believe ANYTHING these days that's just "reported" on the radio. I wanted to see proof of it. So farg off.
Not believing it is fine. Asking for a link is fine. When you do it like you do, from on high, immediately discounting it moreso based on who posted it, it pisses people off. If Phreak, Rome, or Ed posted it, there probably wouldn't even be a question.
So farg off.
Wow, that's some assumption there. Congrats, you're wrong. I ALWAYS ask for a link. I've not believed a single reported story out there for YEARS. And its been discussed enough on here as well. WELL before IGY ever even got here. This has nothing to do with him and everything to do with my contempt for the "media".
Just stop. You know he's spot on.
Quote from: Wingspan on August 21, 2007, 10:39:50 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2007, 10:25:02 AM
like ppdc said the linebacker corps is scarily unproven and could be a total disaster....it will be fun to watch these guys grow up...but now its gotta be this year
The LBs have been a disaster with trotter. I don't mind a fresh set of LBs just to see what sticks. If you have Spikes in the middle, the experience level is the same as it was.
I'd be ok with Gocong/Bradley - Spikes - Gaither.
I think the only way Spikes ends up in the middle is if Gaither fargs up during the regular season.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 21, 2007, 10:45:39 AM
Just stop. You know he's spot on.
Hey peanut gallery, no one asked you. :-*
wonder what spikes thinks of the move
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 21, 2007, 10:16:01 AM
Wingspan, thanks....that's all I wanted to see.
you see it but you still rub your eyes to make sure you've read it correctly... :'(
Spikes in the middle at this point makes no sense. If you move him to the middle, you're downgrading your weakside spot by putting Gaither in there, even though Gaither played well last year there, everyone knew he was was the heir apparent to the MIKE spot.
Either way, the concerning thing is, it seems like there is dick for a backup plan. Tank Daniels, Dedrick Roper? Christ.
I'd think you could at least keep Trot around for leadership or something. Maybe he really had hit the wall hard.
The LBs are going to be a total wreck. We don't even know how good Spikes is yet. He had an OK year last year with a Zesty team, but I look at the LBs and see lots of question marks. The offense should be good this year but the D isn't going to cut it.
I guess we knew that anyway. Cutting Trotter just makes it a little more in your face...
wow a lot riding on unknowns on the D now.
2 Offseason DTs signed neither have barely practiced
3 new starting LBs
Dawk with his Achilles injury
Considine against the run
i dont think trotts gonna start for very many other teams either
Wow, I'll admit to being shocked. I preferred Gaither in the middle as I thought Trot was done, but I didn't see him being cut outright because he's a team leader and still decent on short yardage situations.
Guess the LB situation looks like this:
SAM
GoCong
Bradley
Daniels?
MIKE
Gaither
Bradley
SAM
Spikes
McCoy
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 21, 2007, 10:23:48 AM
Wow.
Phreak's gonna be pissed... :paranoid
First the earthquake now this. Wonder which one he took harder.
The veteran leadership thing isn't the Eagles' MO. They never keep a player past his prime just for leadership reasons. It's almost like some of you haven't been watching the same team that I have.
The LBs have been a disaster with trotter.
no...they have been sub par...the d line (specifically the tackles) has been a disaster
If you have Spikes in the middle, the experience level is the same as it was.
how do you figure
I'd be ok with Gocong/Bradley - Spikes - Gaither.
that cause you have an irrational hatred of trotter...id be fine with the above if they all play well
look im a supporter of this move because i think trotter is done...but to be fine with whats left because you are glad trotter is gone is going about it the wrong way
Quote from: rjs246 on August 21, 2007, 11:00:09 AM
The veteran leadership thing isn't the Eagles' MO. They never keep a player past his prime just for leadership reasons. It's almost like some of you haven't been watching the same team that I have.
Dawkins next to be cut?
Quote from: rjs246 on August 21, 2007, 11:00:09 AM
The veteran leadership thing isn't the Eagles' MO. They never keep a player past his prime just for leadership reasons. It's almost like some of you haven't been watching the same team that I have.
Good point and I don't fault the Eagles for not keeping a guy around because he's a leader. Many other teams do that and its hurts their depth.
Trot was great the '04 season as he had something to prove. '05 he was horrendus and '06 he stated he was going to have his best season but was horrible. This year he lost weight and blah blah blah.
The veteran leadership thing isn't the Eagles' MO. They never keep a player past his prime just for leadership reasons. It's almost like some of you haven't been watching the same team that I have.
thats because they have an unhealthy obsession with their systems...its why they dont believe in a strong lb core...big defensive tackles...a #1 wr or a running game...
in their minds the system trumps all...the players are just parts of a big machine...and machines dont contain emotions such as leadersip
I still think the eagles will pick up a veteran linebacker somewhere... you have to think they'd have some kind of plan in case of injury. imagine how much worse this picture is if we loose spikes or gaither to injury
wow...i thought we might get one more year out of the old horse...at least rotate him with Gaither...
either way our linebacking crew just got worse...even if he would of been just a short yardage guy...it just got worse
this just in...Saints sign Trotter :splat
Trotter is in some ways an emotional leader, but his idiocy to begin that 2005 season by getting tossed before the game indirectly led to a whole world of hurt that season.
I still like Trotter overall, but if he's being cut, it's because he's just not good enough to justify losing guys that are on the upswing of their careers. For all we know, they gave him the option of retiring, staying on as a backup, or being cut and having a chance to sign elsewhere... which would have been the "right" thing to do, I guess.
Quote from: Phanatic on August 21, 2007, 11:02:41 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 21, 2007, 11:00:09 AM
The veteran leadership thing isn't the Eagles' MO. They never keep a player past his prime just for leadership reasons. It's almost like some of you haven't been watching the same team that I have.
Dawkins next to be cut?
Dawk is still an elite safety.
Quote from: Phanatic on August 21, 2007, 11:02:41 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 21, 2007, 11:00:09 AM
The veteran leadership thing isn't the Eagles' MO. They never keep a player past his prime just for leadership reasons. It's almost like some of you haven't been watching the same team that I have.
Dawkins next to be cut?
Dawkins was playing at a high level last year, Trotter was not. Dawkins had one of his better years last year too.
(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/153/3825.jpg)
Lenny P thinks Spikes will take over at MLB (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/news/story?id=2984329)
At this point I'm fine with Kong/Bradley-Gaither-Spikes, see how it works. If they don't go out and put some kind of backup plan together by adding a piece, I'll be farging pissed.
Bradley has been pimped since they drafted him as the first "real SAM" they've had in forever. He had never played MIKE before except for a few times in mini-camps and training camp. He's not even close to being a viable backup at MIKE. So if Gaither fails or gets injured, do they slide Spikes into the MLB spot, and put McCoy on the weakside? Derick Roper?
If it doesn't work out, it's not going to be an average or slightly below average group like it has the past few seasons, it's going to be a train wreck.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 21, 2007, 11:10:25 AM
Lenny P thinks Spikes will take over at MLB (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/news/story?id=2984329)
FastFreddie thinks Lenny P probably wouldn't recognize the name 'Omar Gaither' without looking him up (http://www.lenpasquerfattysucks.com)
Anybody else surprised that they didnt try shopping trotter?... or maybe they did
If he still thinks he can play, I could see him signing with the Giants
I think that would depend more on if they think he can still play, no?
If he signs with a divisonal team, I hate him again. FYI.
Otherwise, he gets to stay on my good side, which matters.
He's going to be present at the news conference... that, i've never seen before!
makes me wonder if he's going to stay on with the team like Hugh
Munson 10:28:59 AM About to say some dumb shtein in the topic trotter cut.
Hahaha
That deserves a lol
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2007, 11:09:34 AM
(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/153/3825.jpg)
Thank you...
I'm not logging in to the EMB today.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 21, 2007, 11:48:29 AM
I'm not logging in to the EMB today.
Like quitting cigarettes, you just saved minutes of your life.
I was in the middle of an inspection this morning when this broke. I swear I got 10 IM's and a half dozen calls on my cell in the 45 minutes I was doing the inspection.
The first person I thought of was Phreak, though. First the earthquake and now this.
:-D
Wait, you got 10 IMs and 6 calls about a player being cut? Jesus christ.
Sorry I didn't respond to yours, Russell. I meant to but never got around to it.
I'm pissed because I got the news from a skins fan
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 21, 2007, 11:48:29 AM
I'm not logging in to the EMB today.
And miss gems like this?
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With this new move, it looks as though Takeo Spikes will slide to the MLB position, thus allowing McCoy to start at WILL with Gocong and Bradley on the other side.
Considering how well McCoy has played this pre-season, it's hard to argue with the move. Maybe, just maybe, everyone was too quick to jump on McCoy for his play last year. There's no hiding it, he should have played better, but maybe the shoulder stinger had more of an effect than we realized.
Personally, I like our LB corps. We're young, we're quick, and hopefully we can be disruptive.
he'll be back on the skins within hours.
i'm curious as to why anyone thinks we're doing to pick up a veteran LB for leadership. if that's the case, why wouldn't they just keep trotter? he kinda defines that type pf player.
although i guess the eagles could actually be letting him go as a favor if he thinks he can still start somewhere else.
i got and made several calls and im not even a moderator on the emb
imo this is really big news...not only because of the on the field implications but because trotter is so well liked and played on the birds for a long time...i mean damn the guy played under ray rhodes
Just got a text message from my sister. Evidently she's in tears over this.
Hahaha.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 21, 2007, 11:56:18 AM
Sorry I didn't respond to yours, Russell. I meant to but never got around to it.
No problem, Jefy. It was just a picture of my beanbag anyway.
IMs from my brother in law and his father (the Giants fans).
Calls from my dad and best friend to see if I heard the news.
Ran into the neighbor a few minutes ago while running out to my car....and he wanted to talk about it (in the pouring rain).
Big news, indeed.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 21, 2007, 11:59:34 AM
he'll be back on the skins within hours.
i'm curious as to why anyone thinks we're doing to pick up a veteran LB for leadership. if that's the case, why wouldn't they just keep trotter? he kinda defines that type pf player.
I don't want them to bring a guy in for leadership purposes, I want another LB who has some kind of experience in case Gaither/Spikes have an injury or just suck. After doing some thought, I wouldn't mind the guy the Skins just released, Marshall. They tried him at MIKE last year even though he's 225lbs, he got owned, but in '05 he played WIL for them and was pretty effective. The guy isn't a stud to be sure, but at least he isn't Matt McCoy/Tank Daniels/whoever else.
Gibbs and Cerrato have said in the past that they made a big mistake letting him go, hell, almost every Eagles/Skins postgame Gibbs says something about it. Being that the Skins are still paying him, it would make sense, and be hilarious.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 21, 2007, 12:03:16 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 21, 2007, 11:56:18 AM
Sorry I didn't respond to yours, Russell. I meant to but never got around to it.
No problem, Jefy. It was just a picture of my beanbag anyway.
Whoa.
Hahaha...
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The Giants fan that sits next to me said he'd love to have him play for the Giants on running downs.
I called Demon who I knew was traveling and he was very upset... shaken even...
Well, that didn't take long. (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com./team/DepthChart_Text.asp)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 21, 2007, 12:03:37 PMRan into the neighbor a few minutes ago while running out to my car....and he wanted to talk about it (in the pouring rain).
(http://www.geo-trotter.com/afrique/images/haha.gif)
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 21, 2007, 12:28:22 PM
Well, that didn't take long. (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com./team/DepthChart_Text.asp)
Christ. They have to be bringing someone in. Dedrick Roper???
Quote from: Phanatic on August 21, 2007, 12:27:06 PM
The Giants fan that sits next to me said he'd love to have him play for the Giants on running downs.
This is the ultimate oxymoron, but what a dumb Giants fan. Did you enlighten him to the fact that his play on running downs is what cost him his job?
I think Stewie will actually back up Gocong & Gaither.
Tank Daniels might be the happiest dude in Philly right now, though. The second would be McCoy.
mccoy gotta go
No, McCoy's gotta stay for no other reason than he's great on special teams.
he's great on special teams
(http://www.jalife.net/up/files/orly-ostrich.jpg)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 21, 2007, 12:34:51 PM
Quote from: Phanatic on August 21, 2007, 12:27:06 PM
The Giants fan that sits next to me said he'd love to have him play for the Giants on running downs.
This is the ultimate oxymoron, but what a dumb Giants fan. Did you enlighten him to the fact that his play on running downs is what cost him his job?
Nah... I didn't want him to leak that information to the coaching staff or anything...
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 21, 2007, 12:40:23 PM
No, McCoy's gotta stay for no other reason than he's great on special teams.
....and certifiably insane. Where's the pick with the farged up eyes?
Seriously though, Stewie could be great, but he has never played MLB in a game. He's not a backup yet.
Somewhere out there, the GF's of the world are celebrating this news.
I still want to know why trotter is going to be present at the 1:30 press conference.
GF is prob drinking to this news
Quote from: ThirdStreetMafia on August 21, 2007, 12:50:43 PM
I still want to know why trotter is going to be present at the 1:30 press conference.
Reid is making him push a blocking sled.
because he's been with the team for years and they're going to pretend that this was a mutual decision.
Quote from: ThirdStreetMafia on August 21, 2007, 12:50:43 PM
I still want to know why trotter is going to be present at the 1:30 press conference.
Probably because he is going to talk. Probably about getting cut. Hell, he might even talk about how he loves the city and loved his time here. Something outlandish like that.
Hopefully at the end he does one final wood chop, grimaces, and holds his knee.
Yikes. My pops woke me up just now to tell me this. I like the move considering he was finished last year, but still figure he can be a decent back up/leader on the team. But I guess Andy gave him the shot to go elsewhere and play. Oh well. Maybe the Skins will sign him.
I still want to know why trotter is going to be present at the 1:30 press conference.
see andys press release about trotter from this morning
Still can't believe this shtein. My phone's been blowing up with calls and texts too.
We all knew this was coming and all that, but I at least didn't see it happening until next season as they got Gaither a little more time at MLB and I'm OK with it, I guess... but damn, this is sudden as hell.
They're putting a lot of faith in the young guys... and really anybody behind Gaither. Even so... it's pretty damn hard to believe that the Eagles feel that Dedrick Roper or somebody is more valuable than Trotter right now.
Me thinks they better have a backup plan.
Urlakerz!!11!
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 21, 2007, 12:54:50 PM
Me thinks they better have a backup plan.
I don't. This is vintage Eagles. Go into the offseason weak at a position and try to fake their way through.
I'm starting to really not like this more and more. Regardless of his knees.
Me thinks they better have a backup plan.
Yeah... its Rocca stupid. :-D
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Don't know why, but watching Trotter run by Sheldon and Bush in this GIF at the end made me laugh my farging ass of just now.
Imagine if Trot goes to the Saints, they could reunite the greatest LB core ever: Sims/Trot/D'hani
Quote from: PPinDC on August 21, 2007, 01:04:43 PM
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Don't know why, but watching Trotter run by Sheldon and Bush in this GIF at the end made me laugh my farging ass of just now.
that is rather humorous!
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 21, 2007, 01:06:51 PM
Imagine if Trot goes to the Saints, they could reunite the greatest LB core ever: Sims/Trot/D'hani
Westbrook would run for 400 yards against that crew. On six carries.
Not to mention Hollis clogging up the middle - maybe next they sign Simon.
if trotter goes anywhere its to NYG. He needs to be able to watch and make sure the Mexicans show up for work at his car wash to dry the cars!
Wow. I thought he would have lasted the season out anyway. I don't care what anyone says, this is a risky move. We are one injury away from having a third round pick starting in his rookie year.
Quote from: shorebird on August 21, 2007, 01:26:13 PM
They are one injury away from having a asain mechanical engineer a 6th round pick in his first starting gig and a third round pick starting in his rookie year.
Quote from: shorebird on August 21, 2007, 01:26:13 PM
Wow. I thought he would have lasted the season out anyway. I don't care what anyone says, this is a risky move. We are one injury away from having a third round pick starting in his rookie year.
The past 2 years there's been a 2 5th rounders and a 4th starting his rookie year due to injuries (Cole, Herremans, Gaither).
Quote from: Wingspan on August 21, 2007, 01:31:12 PM
Quote from: shorebird on August 21, 2007, 01:26:13 PM
Wow. I thought he would have lasted the season out anyway. I don't care what anyone says, this is a risky move. We are one injury away from having a third round pick starting in his rookie year.
The past 2 years there's been a 2 5th rounders and a 4th starting his rookie year due to injuries (Cole, Herremans, Gaither).
And we've seen the results. Even more reason to keep him around for this year.
Also, it's another reason why I don't understand picking a qb in the first round, when there were so obvious needs elsewere.
btw trotter is putting on one of the great pressers ever
i wanna give him a reach a round
PE.com has grinded to a halt. I can't get it. What's he saying?
Quote from: PPinDC on August 21, 2007, 01:43:37 PM
PE.com has grinded to a halt. I can't get it. What's he saying?
Same here.
its on 610wip.com
Dawk is on
several not so thinly veiled shots at the taterskins
on the verge of tears thruout
saying how much he loves the city and fans and no matter where he goes next when he does retire it wont be anywhere but philly
said how important it was to leave the right way this time
Dawk says Omar is not Trotter
He's set a new record for references to god
- said he's gonna keep trying to play but its in gods hands
- loves TKO - said he's a leader and they hit it off immediately
- Talked to Gaither and gave him some advice lastnight
- said he knew this was a hard decision for Andy
- sounded like he knew the writing was on the wall as far as him being done here
- referenced back to when he came back to Philly from Washington(calling it the best part of his career - a question asked by Merrill)
- will always be an Eagle - even when he left for the Skins he thought of himself an eagle
- will stay and live in the area even if he plays for another team
- loves the fans. said they made it easy for him to return
Almost feel bad for him - but a lot of that is because of how much pride he plays with and how much he's given to the team.
Dawk is up right now
the best part was when merrill asked him what his greatest moment as an eagle was...it wasnt when he was drafted...or making all those conf championships or even the superbowl
it was when he got the hell out of washington and came back to philly
just awesome
I'd like to personally thank my lord & savior Jesus Christ that I can't get through to listen to that slobbering drivel.
if you dont listen to a replay of it youre doing yourself a great disservice...i wanna download that shtein and burn it to a cd
i love trot so much
This shtein is sad, man.
There would actually be less slobbering over him if he had died. Sheesh.
gawds dont die
That's what I mean. Come on. . .
Those listening to Dawk, is he pissed?
This sucks. I'd feel better about it if the Eagles seemed to value the linebacker position as much as they value receivers on the other side of the ball... :paranoid
i wouldnt say dawk sounded mad....but i def got the impression that he thinks this is a questionable move...
Dawk said he doesn't expect Omar to whip a center the way Trotter did.
So of course the twats on WIP took that as an insult and are blabbing about it now. I don't know how anyone can listen to those idiots.
Dawk did sound a little bothered about it... I wouldn't call him pissed though.
he sucks. who cares.
Maybe Andy needs to make room on the roster for that great unknown white Morman linebacker they'll be drafting out of Bringham Young with the magical underwear!
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2007, 01:50:59 PM
the best part was when merrill asked him what his greatest moment as an eagle was...it wasnt when he was drafted...or making all those conf championships or even the superbowl
it was when he got the hell out of washington and came back to philly
just awesome
goddamit, I'm almost in tears just reading about him being close to tears, and that stuff about the taterskins.
as the day keeps going, this move makes less and less sence. I find myself wanting to see him just one more time in Eagles green or leading them out of the tunnel... its almost like they amputated his legs. The dude could still be a backup, but then again he's no Dedrick Roper
That depth chart at LB is comical :-D Dedrick Roper? :-D
this whole thing is very strange to me...because if you think the eagles can win a superbowl this year (and i do) then this is definitely a questionable move...add in the fact that trot is one of my all time favorite eagles and i should be livid right now...however for some reason not only am i not angry i actually like the move
i'm wondering who might also shake free out there at MLB
Na'il Diggs
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2007, 02:10:39 PM
this whole thing is very strange to me...because if you think the eagles can win a superbowl this year (and i do) then this is definitely a questionable move...add in the fact that trot is one of my all time favorite eagles and i should be livid right now...however for some reason not only am i not angry i actually like the move
Trotter was a liability so what's not to like about this from a football perspective?
Can anyone honestly say that a healthy Omar Gaither is going to do any worse than a gimpy, over-the-hill Trotter??
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2007, 02:10:39 PM
i actually like the move
I don't know how anyone except for maybe GF like a move that makes a thin position even thinner. Unless Reid is pulling a rabbit outta' his hat at some point, I don't like it.
Dawk or someone like Spikes better step up. Trotter was the unquestioned leader on and off the field of this D.
Face it shorebird, Trott is only a runstopper, and he's struggled with that over the past year. I love Trott, but i trust the FO with this one. As romey said, Gaither has outplayed Trott, and he's not even a natural MLB.
He was the most vocal but I think Dawkins is the unquestioned leader especially if performance is the primary concern.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2007, 02:10:39 PM
this whole thing is very strange to me...because if you think the eagles can win a superbowl this year (and i do) then this is definitely a questionable move...add in the fact that trot is one of my all time favorite eagles and i should be livid right now...however for some reason not only am i not angry i actually like the move
I absolutely HATE to see Trotter go... but more than anything, it scares me with what's left at LB now.
I mean... I can deal with Gocong/Gaither/Spikes, but what's behind it?!
I knew and was fine with Gaither moving into the starting spot at MLB... I just thought we'd be talking about 2008.
Do McCoy, Bradley (at this point), Roper, Daniels or Jordan really have more roster value than Trotter?
Seriously, Trotter must be toast. Just gone. That's the only thing that makes sense.
They are going to make a move. There is no way Derick Roper is the depth, and stop saying Bradley is an option, cause he's not.
Quote from: shorebird on August 21, 2007, 02:16:06 PM
Dawk or someone like Spikes better step up. Trotter was the unquestioned leader on and off the field of this D.
That's stupid.
Dawkins has been the leader of this defense for the past 7 years.
You'd have to believe they will bring in someone. But this is the Eagles we're talking about so I'm sure they're perfectly happy to have Dedrick Roper as the backup MLB. Oh my god... Dedrick Roper :-D
Quote from: Wingspan on August 21, 2007, 02:19:32 PM
Quote from: shorebird on August 21, 2007, 02:16:06 PM
Dawk or someone like Spikes better step up. Trotter was the unquestioned leader on and off the field of this D.
That's stupid.
Dawkins has been the leader of this defense for the past 7 years.
Bullshtein, ask Dawk who has been the leader of this defense.
I'm laughing at all of you right now.
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 21, 2007, 02:18:35 PMDo McCoy, Bradley (at this point), Roper, Daniels or Jordan really have more roster value than Trotter?
All of them play special teams...which does give them more value at this point.
A backup LB
HAS to play special teams. And trotter cant. (lack of speed)
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 21, 2007, 02:16:48 PM
Face it shorebird, Trott is only a runstopper, and he's struggled with that over the past year. I love Trott, but i trust the FO with this one. As romey said, Gaither has outplayed Trott, and he's not even a natural MLB.
All that is true, but why now? I can't believe he wouldn't have stayed with the team as a backup. Like I said before, it makes a thin position even thinner.
Quote from: shorebird on August 21, 2007, 02:21:26 PM
Bullshtein, ask Dawk who has been the leader of this defense.
what would you expect him to say? "i'm sad to see trot go but i'm the leader of this defense anyway."
Dawkins has ALWAYS been the leader, Shorebird.
Every single player on that team has ALWAYS looked to Dawkins first.
Trotter was a liability so what's not to like about this from a football perspective?
because even though his play has tailed off hes still the best run stopping mlb on the team and may be the best period...sometimes its not about the guy who left but the guy who replaces the guy who left
Can anyone honestly say that a healthy Omar Gaither is going to do any worse than a gimpy, over-the-hill Trotter??
can you say for certain no...is it a possibility...absolutely
and dont underesitmate as other people have said the leadership factor
again i kinda like this move but dont act like it was some sort of no brainer
is Holcomb and GLEW trade worth a decent MLB, not over the hill?
Quote from: Wingspan on August 21, 2007, 02:22:49 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 21, 2007, 02:18:35 PMDo McCoy, Bradley (at this point), Roper, Daniels or Jordan really have more roster value than Trotter?
All of them play special teams...which does give them more value at this point.
A backup LB HAS to play special teams. And trotter cant. (lack of speed)
But none of them have the ability to be a starting caliber LB in the NFL at this point. Trotter does, although I understand that Andy doesn't want him starting for the Eagles. That has more value than ST.
Dawkins has ALWAYS been the leader
trotter said so himself in the presser...said hes never seen a leader like dawk anywhere...but that doesnt mean that trotters leadership wont be missed...he was a half step behind dawk in that dept
How can anyone be ok with Gocong and Bradley out there. They are unproven. Linebackers suck on Eagles usually are sucky. Eagles are sucky.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2007, 02:26:24 PM
Dawkins has ALWAYS been the leader
trotter said so himself in the presser...said hes never seen a leader like dawk anywhere...but that doesnt mean that trotters leadership wont be missed...he was a half step behind dawk in that dept
Agreed.
Everyone here is underestimating Gaither a lot, apparently he's going to suprise a lot of people with his play this year.
I knew Trotter was sucking in the pre season games but I definately didn't see this coming. Wow.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 21, 2007, 02:24:12 PM
Dawkins has ALWAYS been the leader, Shorebird.
Every single player on that team has ALWAYS looked to Dawkins first.
Alright, alright, but still, there will be a void in that lockeroom. Trot was A leader if the THE leader, both on and off the field.
farg it then, move farging Barksdale to farging MLB.
Trade McNabb for Urlachkerezze?
They kept that fargstick Dhani Jones around for 3 years and now they cut Trot. Wow.
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on August 21, 2007, 02:36:26 PM
They kept that fargstick Dhani Jones around for 3 years and now they cut Trot. Wow.
yeah when you put it like that this move is definitly questionable
in andy i trust
man... i think this is just starting to settle in for me... This sucks!
Trot on WIP now.
Gargano: Do you feel like you had a decent chance to make this team this year?
Trot: I don't want to talk about that. What's done is done.
Quote from: ThirdStreetMafia on August 21, 2007, 02:44:48 PM
man... i think this is just starting to settle in for me... This sucks!
Settle down, ladies.
atleast he won't be heading back to washington
Quote from: rjs246 on August 21, 2007, 02:53:06 PM
Quote from: ThirdStreetMafia on August 21, 2007, 02:44:48 PM
man... i think this is just starting to settle in for me... This sucks!
Settle down, ladies.
Of all the times to be blasting the front office, you and igy...........I'm dumbfounded. Or just dumb. As everyone already thinks I am.
Quote from: PPinDC on August 21, 2007, 02:50:03 PM
Trot on WIP now.
Gargano: Do you feel like you were given a fair chance to make this team this year?
Trot: I don't want to talk about that. What's done is done.
If some of you are sad, why don't you just kill yourselves.
'
Yep. I think that's the best course of action for all involved.
I greatly disliked him after last year. I think it's kind of stupid to cut him now and not at the end of the preseason, but whatever.
Quote from: shorebird on August 21, 2007, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 21, 2007, 02:53:06 PM
Quote from: ThirdStreetMafia on August 21, 2007, 02:44:48 PM
man... i think this is just starting to settle in for me... This sucks!
Settle down, ladies.
Of all the times to be blasting the front office, you and igy...........I'm dumbfounded. Or just dumb. As everyone already thinks I am.
We like to think with our brains, and possibly our cocks, not with our sissy little hearts.
Quote from: Billy Beane on August 21, 2007, 03:00:20 PM
If some of you are sad, why don't you just kill yourselves. '
Yep. I think that's the best course of action for all involved.
the irony of ironies coming from a guy who has his period if someone doesnt give a players VORP enough attention
Quote from: rjs246 on August 21, 2007, 03:02:11 PM
Quote from: shorebird on August 21, 2007, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 21, 2007, 02:53:06 PM
Quote from: ThirdStreetMafia on August 21, 2007, 02:44:48 PM
man... i think this is just starting to settle in for me... This sucks!
Settle down, ladies.
Of all the times to be blasting the front office, you and igy...........I'm dumbfounded. Or just dumb. As everyone already thinks I am.
We like to think with our brains, and possibly our cocks, not with our sissy little hearts.
nice... shutup and drink your beer
He had a bad year last year, for shore. What I don't understand is drafting a qb with your first pick, then cutting your starting MLB three weeks before the season starts, after waiting until the third round to draft an outside linebacker.
i juked gaither out of his sneaks in that charity b-ball game this summer....the eagles are screwed.
what the farg did you say Andy? y'all better be fargin with my head.
(http://media.philly.com/images/trotter_mug.jpg)
I AM THE EAGLES!!!
I think you might need a CT Scan, dis. You haven't made any sense for the past couple of years.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 21, 2007, 03:02:11 PM
We like to think with our brains, and possibly our cocks, not with our sissy little hearts.
I can't help it, I'm emotional like that. And if you really do think with your brains you would be better off letting the little head do the thinking for the big head. It's prolly' smarter and more in tune with reality. Otherwise you would see how deftly thin we are at linebacker, like I know you have said even before today.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 21, 2007, 03:10:37 PM
I think you might need a CT Scan, dis. You haven't made any sense for the past couple of years.
it's the lack of drugs and alcohol.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 21, 2007, 03:10:37 PM
I think you might need a CT Scan, dis. You haven't made any sense for the past couple of years.
Ha! I see where you're coming from with that.
BTW, you're all idiots. Don't forget the front office's way of doing things. Trotter was slated to make a decent amount of cash this year, and that broke Banner's calculator when he found out what the coaches thought of him. Is Dedrick Roper with knees any better than Jeremiah Trotter without them? No. Is Dedrick Roper with knees making $400,000 a year a much better VALUE than Jeremiah Trotter making over $2 million? Yes.
Sure, the best-case scenario for us as fans is that Trotter really has dropped to the point where he's just simply awful. It's also about equally likely, however, that this move was all financially motivated. MOST likely is that it's a combination of both issues.
He's gone anyway. Quit whining.
good point... I'm over it now
Quote from: shorebird on August 21, 2007, 03:10:57 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 21, 2007, 03:02:11 PM
We like to think with our brains, and possibly our cocks, not with our sissy little hearts.
I can't help it, I'm emotional like that. And if you really do think with your brains you would be better off letting the little head do the thinking for the big head. It's prolly' smarter and more in tune with reality. Otherwise you would see how deftly thin we are at linebacker, like I know you have said even before today.
This is all nonsense. You don't want him around because the linebackers are thin. You want him around because he loves Philly and Philly loves him. The truth is that he was a liability last year and is a year older this year. The team wants to go with a younger guy, which they do every year, and that's that. The linebackers might suck, and there isn't a lot of experience there, but how is that any different from the last 4 or 5 years? It isn't. It just so happens that you all sport man wood for Trotter. As far as I'm concerned he was tainted as soon as he put on a taterskins jersey.
Your half right and half wrong. I love Trotter. I want him around for experience, leadership, and what little depth he provides.
I'm more inclined to agree with FF that this was more a financial move than anything.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 21, 2007, 03:21:43 PM
As far as I'm concerned he was tainted as soon as he put on a taterskins jersey.
Whose being emotional now?
The difference is that that isn't the basis of my response. If he could still play at a high level I'd be all up in arms just like you little girls. But he can't and it is apparent to all.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 21, 2007, 03:18:25 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 21, 2007, 03:10:37 PM
I think you might need a CT Scan, dis. You haven't made any sense for the past couple of years.
Ha! I see where you're coming from with that.
BTW, you're all idiots. Don't forget the front office's way of doing things. Trotter was slated to make a decent amount of cash this year, and that broke Banner's calculator when he found out what the coaches thought of him. Is Dedrick Roper with knees any better than Jeremiah Trotter without them? No. Is Dedrick Roper with knees making $400,000 a year a much better VALUE than Jeremiah Trotter making over $2 million? Yes.
Sure, the best-case scenario for us as fans is that Trotter really has dropped to the point where he's just simply awful. It's also about equally likely, however, that this move was all financially motivated. MOST likely is that it's a combination of both issues.
He's gone anyway. Quit whining.
So why no re-sign him for the vet minimum?
This is all nonsense. You don't want him around because the linebackers are thin. You want him around because he loves Philly and Philly loves him. The truth is that he was a liability last year and is a year older this year. The team wants to go with a younger guy, which they do every year, and that's that. The linebackers might suck, and there isn't a lot of experience there, but how is that any different from the last 4 or 5 years? It isn't. It just so happens that you all sport man wood for Trotter. As far as I'm concerned he was tainted as soon as he put on a taterskins jersey.
[igy]^^^^real talk^^^^[/igy]
Only thing I disagree with is the taterskins comment. If you had heard his PC he all but admits what a mistake it was to go there.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 21, 2007, 03:33:18 PM
The difference is that that isn't the basis of my response. If he could still play at a high level I'd be all up in arms just like you little girls. But he can't and it is apparent to all.
I get it, but the basis of
my posts/response isn't that I have had man wood for Trotter, it's the
fact that at this point in time, unless there is a secret plan Reid has that we don't know about, we are not better off without him.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 21, 2007, 03:38:24 PM
So why no re-sign him for the vet minimum?
Because they offered that to him and he said he'd rather try to get some more money elsewhere?
Just assume money is the motivation, and you'll have your answer.
tainted.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 21, 2007, 03:42:12 PM
Just assume money is the motivation, and you'll have your answer.
.......as it always seems to be with this team.
Quote from: shorebird on August 21, 2007, 03:43:55 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 21, 2007, 03:42:12 PM
Just assume money is the motivation, and you'll have your answer.
.......as it always seems to be with this team.
dude its that way everywhere
Quote from: shorebird on August 21, 2007, 03:43:55 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 21, 2007, 03:42:12 PM
Just assume money is the motivation, and you'll have your answer.
.......as it always seems to be with the entire NFL, so I guess I should stop getting my panties in a bunch over it every single time.
its not a money issue...if it was they would have cut him long ago...there is no monotary advantage to cutting him now...in fact if they had waited until 08 dead money would have dropped from 1.3 mil to 800k
if they really wanted to save money they could have cut kearse who makes four million more than trotter and plays at a position that is much depper
Quote from: ThirdStreetMafia on August 21, 2007, 03:46:09 PM
Just when you though the LB picture was bleak
Quote from your avatar. Jason Short hasn't been on the team since 2005.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2007, 03:48:13 PM
its not a money issue...if it was they would have cut him long ago...there is no monotary advantage to cutting him now...in fact if they had waited until 08 dead money would have dropped from 1.3 mil to 800k
if they really wanted to save money they could have cut kearse who makes four million more than trotter and plays at a position that is much depper
This makes no sense. First of all, your "dead money" comment is laughable, because that's only cap money and has nothing to do with real dollars. In real dollars, what's paid is paid and what's not is not, unless it's "guaranteed salary" (which is rare unless you're a taterskin). Also, in CAP dollars, it makes no sense, because obviously the Eagles aren't going to blow their cap wad any further this year, so next year's really where they want the cap dollars. ALSO, they COULD defer all but this year's prorated portion of the signing bonus cap hit to next year by NFL rules (even before the new CBA when you can do it any time after April 1, you could do it by June 1).
The Kearse thing makes less sense. Where's the depth at this position of which you speak? Kearse, Cole, Howard, Abiamiri are the only NFL-caliber ends on the team. Plus, we both know the Eagles value DE more than LB and Kearse, while coming off another injury, does not have a degenerative knee disorder and is CAPABLE of being a much more elite player than Trotter is anymore.
Of all people, I'm frankly surprised you don't think it's a money issue... because it is, at least in part.
Quote from: Dillen on August 21, 2007, 04:00:50 PM
Quote from: ThirdStreetMafia on August 21, 2007, 03:46:09 PM
Just when you though the LB picture was bleak
Quote from your avatar. Jason Short hasn't been on the team since 2005.
No Schtein Shirlock! Where's that national sarcasm poster when I need it?
Who cares if it was all money or all about the bad knees or about a combination of both? So what! It's done.
Now who the farg is Dedrick Roper!
Juqua Thomas isn't an NFL-caliber defensive end? He sure looked like it last year.
I also don't think it's a money issue. I think it's a performance issue and I believe that Andy gave him every opportunity to make the team as a starter, and when that option became null and void, he decided to cut his losses and allow Trotter a shot to continue on elsewhere.
They were 11.9 million under the cap before they cut the Choppa. Is the savings they'll make really significant enough to be the deciding factor here?
Just talked to Roob....his comments about why? His knees:
Quote
yeah, he just can't run anymore. I think smallwood could beat him in a 40
once again if it was a money issue they would have done it back in february
if you think they cut their starting middle linebacker two weeks before the season starts for what will amount to at best a 2 million dollar savings then youre insane
can smallwood play the mike?
They were 11.9 million under the cap before they cut the Choppa. Is the savings they'll make really significant enough to be the deciding factor here?
hes saying they cut him to pocket the couple million in savings...not to use it to buy a cheaper player or help their cap...hes literally saying they did it so not to have to spend the money at all
I hated when they lost Trotter the first time, now I'm okay with it. I love Trotter and always been a big supporter but I love the Eagles first. Gaither is ready to go and I bet Spikes would slid to the middle in case of injury and Tank would be fine and WLB. You want your backup LB to play special teams and that was just not going to happen.
The concern at LB was could Gocong cut it. Hopefully Bradley is ready if by the time Andy finds out that he can't. McCoy sucks.
11 pages already? Don't you people have jobs??
Oh yeah... bye Trotter... finally...
Quote from: TexasEagle on August 21, 2007, 04:19:07 PM
11 pages already? Don't you people have jobs??
Oh yeah... bye Trotter... finally...
Who needs a job? We're all handsome, rich and well-endowed.
I don't know if it is good or bad, but I wonder if they are still looking at Al Wilson. They did have interest in him earlier in the offseason.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 21, 2007, 02:13:58 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2007, 02:10:39 PM
this whole thing is very strange to me...because if you think the eagles can win a superbowl this year (and i do) then this is definitely a questionable move...add in the fact that trot is one of my all time favorite eagles and i should be livid right now...however for some reason not only am i not angry i actually like the move
Trotter was a liability so what's not to like about this from a football perspective?
Can anyone honestly say that a healthy Omar Gaither is going to do any worse than a gimpy, over-the-hill Trotter??
That's my question. From a depth perspective it's dicey (maybe they'll trade Holcomb to Atlanta for a LB) but in terms of on the field contribution Trotter is and has been toast for some time. There it's not a loss, it does hurt the depth at an already weak position though.
From Gcobb.com
QuoteIt Was The Classiest Release Ever
Written by Garry Cobb
Tuesday, 21 August 2007
It was the classiest way I've ever seen a player released. The Eagles should be commended for the way they allowed Jeremiah Trotter to go out in style. Trot did it the way it should be done. He respected the organization and Andy Reid and the organization respected him.
A number of years ago, Andy Reid and Jeremiah Trotter had been at odds because they had parted ways with ill feelings and harsh word being released on both sides. This time obviously there was a great deal of trust on both of their parts because it was very unusual what Andy allowed Trot to do.
He got the chance to address his teammates which is very unusual but a nice thing to do. I was just telling Vai Sikahema of NBC10 how I've seen great players pushed out the door without their teammates being given the chance to say good bye to them, even though the guy being released had taught most of those guys currently on the team, how to play the game. Usually a guy is ushered out the door and their locker is cleaned out before their teammates even realize they've been cut. This was good. Trot was allowed to pass the torch. HIs teammates were allowed to let him know how they felt about him. The thing you value most as a player is the relationships you build with your teammates. Believe every player in that lockeroom will want to leave in the same manner.
It was fitting for a warrior of Trotter's kind that his considerable accomplishments be highlighted. He made tremendous contributions to the Eagles and rightfully so he was given the chance to leave with respect and dignity. I give Trot credit for refusing to take any shots at Andy Reid and the football team. This is the way the NFL works. They have to move on when you can't do the job any more. Beasley Reece of CBS-3 would always joke that "The Herd Keeps Running". This is the nature of the professional football where performance is all that really matters in the end. This release wasn't personal it was just business from the on the field football standpoint.
But from a personal standpoint I could see that Andy Reid was acknowledging the Jeremiah Trotter had made a contribution to this city and organization that was appreciated. It's the way a true professional should be treated and likewise it's the way a true professional organization should be respected. Even Jeffrey Lurie and Joe Banner chipped in with appropiated comments which is the right way to do business.
Owner Jeffrey Lurie on Trotter
"He has been such an important part of our success. Jeremiah is someone we will always consider an important part of our Eagles family. He set a tone, a tone that was instrumental in our success over the years."
Team President Joe Banner on Trotter
"When you put together a team and you talk about intangibles, Jeremiah Trotter epitomizes what we strive for in a player."
Quote from: TexasEagle on August 21, 2007, 04:19:07 PM
11 pages already? Don't you people have jobs??
It's raining on the Shore and I have no inside work. So you all now have to put up with my obnoxious rambling of how much I'll miss the Woodchoppa'.
Sorry for your luck bitches.
i wonder if romey pg and the rest of the fire stick wielding mob will attack gcobb for that article
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2007, 04:38:54 PM
i wonder if romey pg and the rest of the fire stick wielding mob will attack gcobb for that article
:-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2007, 04:38:54 PM
i wonder if romey pg and the rest of the fire stick wielding mob will attack gcobb for that article
GCobb could write a story on me and praise me for 3 pages...and I'd still tell him to farg off, he's an idiot.
although his writing ability surpasses only that of king coles he actually knows the game better than most and is pretty informative
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2007, 04:38:54 PM
i wonder if romey pg and the rest of the fire stick wielding mob will attack gcobb for that article
LOLers. Why bother? It speaks for itself (barely).
(http://media.philly.com/images/20070821_trottergaither_300.jpg)
Give it up. They are not trading for anyone else. They like Daniels, Roper, Bradley, Gaither, Spikes, McCoy :chairand Gocong.
They have plenty of leadership among the defense.
Latest poll on Philly.com. (http://www.philly.com/philly/polls/9286146.html?submit=Vote&oid=1&mr=1&cid=8500281&pid=9286146)
An astounding 74% of respondents replied that the Eagles cut him too soon and he could still contribute.
Amazing.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2007, 04:48:57 PM
although his writing ability surpasses only that of king coles he actually knows the game better than most and is pretty informative
His sources are about as good as King Cole's too.
i echo everyone else here....its not that im sad to see him go cause i knew his time was up...its just that we have nothing behind him really in terms of depth. its things like this that piss me off about this FO. as much as mcnabb is hurt...we did not need a QB with out 1st pick in the draft. imagine if we actually tried to go for one of the top LBs in the draft.
im assuming rather than keep him the eagles and trotter himself agreed to cut him and let him find a job on another team. it just sucks that behind donkey cong, TKO, and Gaither we have no depth.
and you know one of them will get injured. and at least one them shouldn't even be playing LB.
its just baffling how we refuse to use a high pick or spend some money on LB. its either a project from the draft or older players who are coming off of injuries.
I tried watching DNL to catch up on all this as opposed to reading all of youns dumbshtein posts, and of course they have Sal Pal on. Man he hates him some Philadelphia Eagles.
He did, however, bring up an interesting point about Gaither being too small with our undersized DTs. This scares me.
Quote from: NGM on August 21, 2007, 05:33:27 PM
I tried watching DNL to catch up on all this as opposed to reading all of youns dumbshtein posts, and of course they have Sal Pal on. Man he hates him some Philadelphia Eagles.
He did, however, bring up an interesting point about Gaither being too small with our undersized DTs. This scares me.
its reid's master plan of throwing "bullets" out there and when it does work say one time in 10 yrs or something he will be like "SEE MY WAY WORKS!".
It certainly seems that way, but out of all the moves regarding veterans that the Eagles have made, this is the one I really have little to no problem with.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on August 21, 2007, 05:37:01 PM
He did, however, bring up an interesting point about Gaither being too small with our undersized DTs. This scares me.
Alright now. The Giants will be pounding Jacobs behind 6-6, 327lb Kareem McKenzie, and the Cowboys will be running Jones behind 6-8, 320lb Marco Colombo, and 6-7 340lb Flozell Adams. It doesn't look like we will be able to stop the run against these teams. Patterson and Bunkley will be giving up 30 lbs. a piece everytime they line up.
Hey....bend, but don't break.
I was surprised by the move, but I'm not worried by it. I think it was becoming increasingly clear that Trotter's knees wouldn't even let him play at last year's meager level. It's a shame that he and Takeo never got a chance to play a game that counts together, but hey... he wasn't capable of making the football team.
I read three pages of this and decided to skip the last nine.
Bye dumbass. Not gonna miss the stupid axe dance.
You missed the shots of Jessica Alba eating Rose McGowan's Hoyda out.
Sucker.
i TOOK those pics during my down time
Haha.
Well-played.
no it wasnt
So, let me get this straight... I am arguing against igy, and not vice versa, that the Eagles' motivation was more money-related than ability-related?
Christ.
you're all gays
Goodbye Trot. All I'll have is the memories, and that ill-advised full back tat.
Quote from: methdeez on August 21, 2007, 07:51:23 PM
Goodbye Trot. All I'll have is the memories, and that ill-advised full back tat.
"Player?"
"PlayA."
:yay
Quote from: ThirdStreetMafia on August 21, 2007, 04:08:42 PM
Quote from: Dillen on August 21, 2007, 04:00:50 PM
Quote from: ThirdStreetMafia on August 21, 2007, 03:46:09 PM
Just when you though the LB picture was bleak
Quote from your avatar. Jason Short hasn't been on the team since 2005.
No Schtein Shirlock! Where's that national sarcasm poster when I need it?
Considering the level of posts on this board, you can never be too sure.
Also, lolz @ you typing out "schtein."
Only thing that pisses me off was the offseason propaganda machine... ohhh Trotter lost weight and is looking good ... Trotter and Spikes are gonna wreck people.... blah blah. If the Eagles knew he was toast than Gaither should have been in there with the first team full time and getting as much work as possible. That is all.
as long as that Defensive End who never played LB in his life and was handed a starting job on a silver platter works out......
Quote from: MURP on August 21, 2007, 09:15:20 PM
Only thing that pisses me off was the offseason propaganda machine... ohhh Trotter lost weight and is looking good ... Trotter and Spikes are gonna wreck people.... blah blah. If the Eagles knew he was toast than Gaither should have been in there with the first team full time and getting as much work as possible. That is all.
as long as that Defensive End who never played LB in his life and was handed a starting job on a silver platter works out......
(http://www.onecrazyfan.com/photos/football/SportsGallery/DSC_0007_SA250.jpg)
(http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0821/pg2_a_trotter_195.jpg)
Well, farg. Who am I going to hate for sucking now?
I guess the new MLB.
Well,
the near panic right now seems similar to when the Eagles let Vincent, Taylor and Harris walk. So far, the only one who they let go that has come back to haunt them is Burgess.
To me, seeing Trotter go is similar to seeing Vincent, Taylor, Staley and Douglas go. Guys who became icons of the team. Guys who deserved more than NFC Championship Game appearances. And Trotter is the first of the present day icons to go... but the day we see Dawkins, William Thomas, Runyan, Akers and McNabb leave might not be too far away either.
From a football standpoint, it could well have been the best. The choice was between an older guy who was limited in his movement and was being exploited by the opponent, and who keeping a youngster with upside and member of special teams. In fact the training staff might have miscalculated in the off season (personally I think they did), and indeed believed that Trotter would be able to make it one more season. Only to see for themselves that this was not the case during training camp and preseason.
And as far as this coming as a huge surprise for Trotter, well in that regard he differs little from many top athletes with the same drive and motivation, and just as unwilling to accept failure (of others and themselves). The number of athletes that kept going too long, because they could not accept they were not good enough anymore is endless... until they just were a farce of their former selves, or injuries forced them to quit.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 21, 2007, 07:03:59 PM
Bye dumbass. Not gonna miss the stupid axe dance.
They showed the Axe chop on GameCast?
All the idiots are coming out of the woodwork on 610. I really hate these fake eagles fans that are showing up like cockroaches. Its making me sick, i have to deal with idiots at work who have no concept of who any players are beyond Westbrook, Mcnabb, Dawkins, and Trott. Sadly i'm starting to understand what happend to the cowpukes fanbase.
the near panic right now
where is the panic?...i actually hear more people supporting the move than panicking...at worst its 50/50
Quote from: Dillen on August 21, 2007, 08:57:07 PM
Quote from: ThirdStreetMafia on August 21, 2007, 04:08:42 PM
Quote from: Dillen on August 21, 2007, 04:00:50 PM
Quote from: ThirdStreetMafia on August 21, 2007, 03:46:09 PM
Just when you though the LB picture was bleak
Quote from your avatar. Jason Short hasn't been on the team since 2005.
No Schtein Shirlock! Where's that national sarcasm poster when I need it?
Considering the level of posts on this board, you can never be too sure.
Also, lolz @ you typing out "schtein."
Well when you cant say the real thing who really cares how its spelled...
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2007, 08:29:08 AM
the near panic right now
where is the panic?...i actually hear more people supporting the move than panicking...at worst its 50/50
Hard core Eagles fans seem to be supporting the move. Casual fans hear Trotter was cut and they freak out. Read some of the comments "elsewhere" IGY. Full-blown panic is a pretty common reaction there.
Burgess was different because that was due to money, not letting an aging player go. The Eagles are remarkable at identifying when a player is starting to lose it.
Hard core Eagles fans seem to be supporting the move. Casual fans hear Trotter was cut and they freak out. Read some of the comments "elsewhere" IGY. Full-blown panic is a pretty common reaction there.
i dont count the emb...but on this board wip and everyone ive talked to its been a lean towards supporting the move
Personally I wasn't really surprised. At the end of last season, it was evident that Trotter was about at the end of the string with his knees and mobility, and I had heard and read nothing to give me any reason to believe otherwise.
The only bad thing about this is the fact that the Eagles either need to add someone else's leftover MLB to replace Trotter, or go with the scrubs they have. I wish the team had addressed this in the offseason (like everyone else), whether through the draft or FA.
They did address it. They got Gaither last year and Bradley this year.
Whether those moves actually work out is as yet unknown.
PS: WTF are you doing here? Hasn't school started yet down there? It has up here.
King Cole said it, might be right. They might be considering Al Wilson as a potential backup if Al was willing to take on that role. Shefter was saying last night that the birds had interest in Godfrey before the skins signed him, so they are obviously not 100% happy with Roper as a backup :paranoid
holla atcha boy...
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2007, 04:05:43 PM
trotter def gonna lose his job...if not in preseason then around week three
Eckel's an ass but I thought this quote in his article (http://www.nj.com/columns/times/eckel/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/118775554198750.xml&coll=5) today was funny:
Quote"They know when to hold 'em. They know when to fold 'em. Trotter had to walk away, because he couldn't run."
God that's awful.
ha...that is a good one by the dwarf
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 22, 2007, 08:07:09 AM
All the idiots are coming out of the woodwork on 610.
Seriously?? Is today the first time you've ever listened to 610??
Quote from: rjs246 on August 22, 2007, 09:56:46 AM
God that's awful.
On a warm summers evening, on a train bound for nowhere, I met up with the axeman, we were both too tired to sleep.
stop it.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 22, 2007, 08:49:22 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2007, 08:29:08 AM
the near panic right now
where is the panic?...i actually hear more people supporting the move than panicking...at worst its 50/50
Hard core Eagles fans seem to be supporting the move. Casual fans hear Trotter was cut and they freak out. Read some of the comments "elsewhere" IGY. Full-blown panic is a pretty common reaction there.
I'd say I'm 50-50 on this. I loved Gaither at WIL last year (to the point where I would've had no problem starting him there this year if we hadn't picked up Spikes) but he's never really played the middle before at the NFL level. I understand why they made the move, but at the same time I think Trotter still could've helped this team. It also instantly forces Spikes to become a team leader, obviously he's been in the league long enough that he can do that, but it's still tough to do coming into a new locker room.
If they'd done anything in the offseason to add depth at MLB I wouldn't have a problem with this at all past the emotional level (yes, they drafted Bradley and signed Spikes, but neither of those guys are MLBs), but there's little doubt that our depth at MLB took a serious hit and we need to address it somehow. I'm not at all sold on Roper.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 22, 2007, 10:27:15 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 22, 2007, 09:56:46 AM
God that's awful.
On a warm summers evening, on a train bound for nowhere, I met up with the axeman, we were both too tired to sleep.
So you had gay sex.
yes, they drafted Bradley and signed Spikes, but neither of those guys are MLBs
i know youre talking about this year...but as a sidenote they ran bradley at mlb a lot in camp...its my opinion that their ideal scenario is to have gocong succeed at sam and bradley be the mlb of the future
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on August 22, 2007, 10:30:50 AM
I'm not at all sold on Roper.
(http://www.survivinggrady.com/roper.jpg)
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 22, 2007, 10:30:03 AM
stop it.
I just can't (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn481KcjvMo)
You've got to know when to kill yourself.
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on August 22, 2007, 10:24:36 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 22, 2007, 08:07:09 AM
All the idiots are coming out of the woodwork on 610.
Seriously?? Is today the first time you've ever listened to 610??
Unfortunately not, but its just sickening listening to idiots who have no interest in the team if they lose 2 games have the need to call a radio show. I generally only listen to 950am anymore because 610 is taking years off my life
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 22, 2007, 10:38:22 AM
You've got to know when to kill yourself.
everyone loves that song, even igy
610 is taking years off my life
thats weird cause 610 is my life
everyone loves that song, even igy
never heard it
There'll be time enough for AIDS when the season's done.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2007, 10:42:46 AM
everyone loves that song, even igy
never heard it
I'm calling bullshtein on that one.
actually i dont even know what song yous are talking about...but going by the audience here i went on the notion that i havent heard it
gargano: trot headed to denver and tampa is interested as well
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2007, 01:29:04 PM
gargano: trot headed to denver and tampa is interested as well
I hope Denver. I would hate to want to see Trott do poorly.
What happens if Gaither goes down for the season tomorrow?
Do they just roll on?
Roper will come in and cement his place among Philly greats and will be our new starting MLB for the next 10-12 years.
levon kirkland baby
I love knowing people who tell me that the Woodchopper was the best middle linebacker in Eagles' history... :o
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2007, 10:33:43 AM
yes, they drafted Bradley and signed Spikes, but neither of those guys are MLBs
i know youre talking about this year...but as a sidenote they ran bradley at mlb a lot in camp...its my opinion that their ideal scenario is to have gocong succeed at sam and bradley be the mlb of the future
IGY's right. I'm thinkin they want a future LB core of Gaither-Bradley-Gocong.
If Gocong turns out okay, then I hope they do end up moving Gaither back to WLB because I thought it was the perfect posistion for him in this defense. I think he'll do fine as a MLB, but I liked him at the WIL a lot.
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 22, 2007, 02:31:33 PM
I love knowing people who tell me that the Woodchopper was the best middle linebacker in Eagles' history... :o
Anyone who ranks Trott above Bednarik or Bergey is a fool. Trott if he was 100% healthy his whole career would have been another story.Â
trot >>>>>>>>>>> bednarik
him and bergy are about a wash but i give the nod to bergy since trot left and came back
I'd rate them this way:
1. Concrete Charlie
2. Trotter
3. Bergey
3a. Byron Evans
B & E was one of the most underrated Eagles of all time. Playing with White, Brown, Easy E, Joyner & Simmons, he tended to be overlooked but he was very productive until his leg snapped in two.
IGY... your insistent undervaluing of players from other generations is comical.
IGY... your insistent undervaluing of players from other generations is comical.
then why did i put bergy ahead of trot....fact of the matter is bednarik could not play linebacker in the nfl today...bergy trot and byron evans (who btw was better than all of them) could
Bednarik was named one of the greatest players of all time recently. But, yeah, Trotter is definitely better than him.
thats because bednarik was one of the better players of his time which is how they rate those things...but he isnt even in the same ballpark as a player like bergy trotter or evans
Babe Ruth wouldn't be able to make the majors if he had to play against blacks and hispanics.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2007, 03:35:36 PM
IGY... your insistent undervaluing of players from other generations is comical.
then why did i put bergy ahead of trot....fact of the matter is bednarik could not play linebacker in the nfl today...bergy trot and byron evans (who btw was better than all of them) could
Right - a 6'3" 233 pound linebacker couldn't play today. Not at all.
He's pretty much the prototype for a linebacker even today. The fact that he played center too yet still was named All-NFL at linebacker for seven straight seasons and eight overall is a testament to his greatness.
unless youre adonis himself 230 aint getting it done in the middle in todays nfl and
Babe Ruth wouldn't be able to make the majors if he had to play against blacks and hispanics.
untruth
We've had this ridiculous argument countless times.
He'd take advantage of today's fitness & nutrition advances just like any athlete would today. He wouldn't be playing at 233. He'd be playing at 250-260 just like Urlacher or Trotter or any of the other Pro Bowl linebackers do.
Jim Thorpe wouldnt make it past Single A ball and the AFL nowadays
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2007, 03:47:50 PM
thats because bednarik was one of the better players of his time which is how they rate those things...but he isnt even in the same ballpark as a player like bergy trotter or evans
He wasn't 'one of' the better players. He was arguably the best player. Your insistence on discounting players from years past is comical.
We've had this ridiculous argument countless times.
He'd take advantage of today's fitness & nutrition advances just like any athlete would today. He wouldn't be playing at 233. He'd be playing at 250-260 just like Urlacher or Trotter or any of the other Pro Bowl linebackers do.
ummm you do know that he doesnt play now tho right?...he played against inferior competion too
so until he hooks up with hg wells and visits us in the present day he isnt as good as these other guys...if you wanna imagine all these hypotheticals that make him the best mlb ever then by all means go right ahead
however while we wait for him to arrive ill take the other guys and consider him a great ancient relic who paved the way for many but simply wasnt as good as those who followed
Both Bednerik and Trotter both smoke about a pack of cigarettes a day...so they are probably about even.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 22, 2007, 03:30:07 PM
IGY... your insistent undervaluing of players from other generations is comical.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 22, 2007, 04:03:29 PM
Your insistence on discounting players from years past is comical.
Carlos Mencia says "hi."
I'm killing myself now.
Can you do it on a webcam so we make the morning paper? Oh, and you don't have the balls.
Just for that I'm going to strangle myself with my ballsack. That'll learn ya.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2007, 03:55:20 PM
unless youre adonis himself 230 aint getting it done in the middle in todays nfl
Funny you should say that being as OG is the smallest linebacker on our roster at 233.
233>230
uhhhhhh...........after actually looking at the player bio's, I see that Omar is only the second lightest. Jordan wieghs in at 226. :-[
Funny you should say that being as OG is the smallest linebacker on our roster at 233.
hes also not a middle linebacker
KFFL.com
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Buccaneers | Trotter to visit
Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:01:41 -0700
Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com, reports the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are expected to meet with unrestricted free-agent LB Jeremiah Trotter (Eagles) Wednesday, Aug. 22.
lollerblades @ Trotter in cover 2.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2007, 07:38:00 PM
Funny you should say that being as OG is the smallest linebacker on our roster at 233.
hes also not a middle linebacker
He is on this team.
for now yes
bradley will be the mlb sooner than you think tho
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2007, 03:55:20 PM
Babe Ruth wouldn't be able to make the majors if he had to play against blacks and hispanics.
untruth
No shtein. I was mocking you. Your sarcasm detector needs a check-up.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2007, 08:59:36 PM
for now yes
bradley will be the mlb sooner than you think tho
I don't know why you think it will be sooner than I think. Thats why they drafted him. Now that they've cut Trotter, Blind Melon Chittlen can see it will be very soon. It wouldn't suprise me to see him later this year if he looks good as a back up. Next year for shore.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 22, 2007, 09:13:27 AM
They did address it. They got Gaither last year and Bradley this year.
Whether those moves actually work out is as yet unknown.
PS: WTF are you doing here? Hasn't school started yet down there? It has up here.
Yes, I'm back in school. We don't start until 9:45, and I was taking a few quiet minutes of Eagles "talk" before the crush of eigth graders began anew.
Hopefully Bradley is a keeper if he was meant to eventually replace Trotter. Even though Trotter is obviously done (now watch him burn it up for another team), I am still apprehensive about where this leaves the middle of the Eagles' defense.
What I can't believe is Roper beind Omar on the depth chart. It must mean next to nothing. Thats how thin this LB corps is now.
Quote from: shorebird on August 22, 2007, 09:40:07 PM
What I can't believe is Roper beind Omar on the depth chart. It must mean next to nothing. Thats how thin this LB corps is now.
(http://www.squishedfrog.com/images/comicbookguy.gif)
worst LB corps EVAR!
Trotter's replacement? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070823/ap_on_fe_st/fbc59_year_old_linebacker;_ylt=AosPDS89j05Qc0vNHKPfgDsZ.3QA)
didn't Giather say he bulked up to 243? Thought I saw that recently, Inky maybe?
How many guys on the Eagles who seem skinny one year and claim to have bulked up actually appear any bigger, let alone play any bigger?
None of them play bigger. That usually requires slimming down. See: Andrews
Actually, Jevon Kearse was really good against the run a couple of seasons ago.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 23, 2007, 05:57:27 AM
How many guys on the Eagles who seem skinny one year and claim to have bulked up actually appear any bigger, let alone play any bigger?
I've heard plenty of people say that Considine
looks bigger than last year... unfortunately, DeAngelo Williams made him look like the same ol', too small for prime time, ready to be trucked SS he was last year.
Quote from: Eagaholic on August 23, 2007, 03:48:01 AM
didn't Giather say he bulked up to 243? Thought I saw that recently, Inky maybe?
He said that during the Trot PC
considine is a bitch
thats his problem
not that hes to small
gaddis cant get ready soon enough
unless the DT's miraculously play above whats expected of them i dont see much changing with this run defense
PFT.com stirring the pot:
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POSTED 9:33 a.m. EDT, August 23, 2007
TROTTER RELEASE SPARKING LOCKER ROOM REVOLT?
We're hearing rumblings that the release of linebacker Jeremiah Trotter has sparked a locker-room revolt against management.
Trotter was regarded as a T.O. guy -- an in-house supporter of the talented but troublemaking wideout who disrupted the team in 2005 as he tried to get more money. And, as we hear it, some of the guys on the team who are the most upset about Trotter's release are the other T.O. sympathizers.
But it's not just the remaining pro-T.O. crowd that is unhappy about Trotter being gone. Quarterback Donovan McNabb has expressed his own questions about the move.
"The decision that was made was from the ones upstairs," McNabb said at a press conference on Wednesday. "But as a player, I just didn't see it at all. And I don't think any of us saw it.
"Sometimes when you get injured people may say you lost a step. But as you get older you get wiser and you understand more about the game. You begin to understand more about your strengths and weaknesses and you play to your strengths and [Trotter] continued to do that. He played well.
"It's unfortunate what happened but I think this is a test for not only the older guys but a test for the younger guys."
It would be easy to assume that McNabb is speaking out because he knows that he could be the 2008 version of Trotter. Maybe there are multiple motivations at work here, with McNabb thinking about about his own interests down the road, and the team's interests right now.
There is some suspicion that the release of Trotter was driven by coach Andy Reid's desire to justify keeping linebacker Matt McCoy, a second-round pick in 2005 who was yet to crack the starting lineup. If Trotter had stayed, McCoy could have been the odd man out. McCoy currently is listed as a backup at the weakside linebacker position.
Regardless of the motivation, folks who wear the uniform apparently aren't pleased. Whether it affects the team's performance in any way is a different issue. We doubt that it will, but we think that Reid needs to do some in-house damage control in order to get past this one.
I will say this, I watched part of that interview on Total Access last night, and Donovan did have some pretty incendiary comments. Something along the lines of "He lost weight, they asked him to do that, and he did it. He was in great shape, and was flying all over the field. He looked like his old self. Had a great camp, played well in to preseason games....it was something I didn't expect. It something that could take days or weeks to get over." He kept saying over and over how shocked the whole team is. When asked, "You play against him in practice, you see him all the time, did he look like slowed down at all?" His answer, "No. Not at all. The decision was made by the ones upstairs."
The McCoy thing is a reach, although I wouldn't put it past Reid and Co to think that McCoy is coming along and will eventually replace Spikes.
Ha. Listening to the whole interview on PE.com, and the media are asking McNabb about Trot, and farging Spadaro keeps trying to steer it into something else. Sounds like a complete ass.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2007, 07:56:30 AM
considine is a bitch
thats his problem
not that hes to small
gaddis cant get ready soon enough
Agreed on all counts. I was just pointing out how folks have said that he looks bigger and got some to buy into the hype.
Quote from: PPinDC on August 23, 2007, 09:48:15 AM
PFT.com stirring the pot:
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POSTED 9:33 a.m. EDT, August 23, 2007
TROTTER RELEASE SPARKING LOCKER ROOM REVOLT?
We're hearing rumblings that the release of linebacker Jeremiah Trotter has sparked a locker-room revolt against management.
Trotter was regarded as a T.O. guy -- an in-house supporter of the talented but troublemaking wideout who disrupted the team in 2005 as he tried to get more money. And, as we hear it, some of the guys on the team who are the most upset about Trotter's release are the other T.O. sympathizers.
But it's not just the remaining pro-T.O. crowd that is unhappy about Trotter being gone. Quarterback Donovan McNabb has expressed his own questions about the move.
"The decision that was made was from the ones upstairs," McNabb said at a press conference on Wednesday. "But as a player, I just didn't see it at all. And I don't think any of us saw it.
"Sometimes when you get injured people may say you lost a step. But as you get older you get wiser and you understand more about the game. You begin to understand more about your strengths and weaknesses and you play to your strengths and [Trotter] continued to do that. He played well.
"It's unfortunate what happened but I think this is a test for not only the older guys but a test for the younger guys."
It would be easy to assume that McNabb is speaking out because he knows that he could be the 2008 version of Trotter. Maybe there are multiple motivations at work here, with McNabb thinking about about his own interests down the road, and the team's interests right now.
There is some suspicion that the release of Trotter was driven by coach Andy Reid's desire to justify keeping linebacker Matt McCoy, a second-round pick in 2005 who was yet to crack the starting lineup. If Trotter had stayed, McCoy could have been the odd man out. McCoy currently is listed as a backup at the weakside linebacker position.
Regardless of the motivation, folks who wear the uniform apparently aren't pleased. Whether it affects the team's performance in any way is a different issue. We doubt that it will, but we think that Reid needs to do some in-house damage control in order to get past this one.
I will say this, I watched part of that interview on Total Access last night, and Donovan did have some pretty incendiary comments. Something along the lines of "He lost weight, they asked him to do that, and he did it. He was in great shape, and was flying all over the field. He looked like his old self." He kept saying over and over how shocked the whole team is.
The McCoy thing is a reach, although I wouldn't put it past Reid and Co to think that McCoy is coming along and will eventually replace Spikes.
Well it's been 48 hours of the media chumming the waters...this was bound to happen.
I think the media in general are surprised at the lacadasical reaction of the fans and they keep trying to get this into a frenzy.
I'm so tired of the trotter stuff already... I understand that everybody loved the guy, but thats a bias they need to get over. Trot was a liability, i personally didnt think he looked any different at camp or in preseason than he did last year.
Could McNabb whine some more about stuff please?
Quote from: rjs246 on August 23, 2007, 10:04:12 AM
Could McNabb whine some more about stuff please?
seriously, maybe he should just delegate that his mother!
Every year its the same shtein. Some veteran gets cut and everyone whines and pisses and moans and McNabb always seems to have his two cents and he always sounds like someone ran over his puppy. Jesus.
mcnabb aint whining...hes finally showing some fire....i love it...pretty staggering comments if you think about it
and it aint no locker room revolt...its the players upset over a dear teammate getting cut...why cant players get pissed off and still do their jobs...its called being a professional
the underlying tone is always... "this is my team, I'm the leader of this team"... "if they ever do this to me, i'll tell my mom, and she'll tell dad, and we'll all be pouting about it for the next 5 years"
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2007, 10:13:03 AM
mcnabb aint whining...hes finally showing some fire....i love it...pretty staggering comments if you think about it
and it aint no locker room revolt...its the players upset over a dear teammate getting cut...why cant players get pissed off and still do their jobs...its called being a professional
I'll be willing to bet that all these players will still play come week 1.
Every year its the same shtein. Some veteran gets cut and everyone whines and pisses and moans and McNabb always seems to have his two cents and he always sounds like someone ran over his puppy. Jesus.
mcnabb has never done this before....hes always like oh well thats how the nfl works...towing the company line ALWAYS
i cant speak for anyone else but ive been highly critical of him being attached to andys hip for the last 8 years years....now that hes doing this you cant have it both ways and says hes whining...thus i applaud him....i just wish this had happened a long time ago
i like how he said if we make the superbowl trot will be in our minds...hopefully he uses this to instill some fire in his belly (instead of puke and bile) and the team as a whole uses it as a rally cry...
bring it home for jerome (and trotter)
I'll have it both ways and like it.
Ive seen posts on here about him meeting with Tampa Bay today, but I havent seen that anywhere else. Where did that come from?
Oh and someone else mentioned on here that he was meeting with them for a backup position... if thats true, I really do have issues with them letting him go
Quote from: ThirdStreetMafia on August 23, 2007, 10:32:09 AM
if thats true, I really do have issues with them letting him go
whiner
The truth is that I blast McNabb for being thick with Reid because I dislike Reid's coaching style.
I really like Reid's (and the front office's) GM and personnel style when it comes to cutting bait with old players and not over-committing to free agents, etc.
What I want is for McNabb to blast Reid The Coach and support Reid The GM, but that isn't what we get and it comes off as whining.
There, I explained myself.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2007, 10:34:23 AM
Quote from: ThirdStreetMafia on August 23, 2007, 10:32:09 AM
if thats true, I really do have issues with them letting him go
whiner
Whatever igy, all im saying is that if he can be a backup for gruden, he could be a backup here... Just wish Reid wouldn't act like Trott was too proud not to be a backup... if he goes elsewhere and starts i'm fine with it
At this point I stopped caring what McNabb has to say, regardless of what comes out of his mouth its over analyzed and usually has no bearing on anything.
Quote from: ThirdStreetMafia on August 23, 2007, 10:41:01 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2007, 10:34:23 AM
Quote from: ThirdStreetMafia on August 23, 2007, 10:32:09 AM
if thats true, I really do have issues with them letting him go
whiner
Whatever igy, all im saying is that if he can be a backup for gruden, he could be a backup here... Just wish Reid wouldn't act like Trott was too proud not to be a backup... if he goes elsewhere and starts i'm fine with it
Only a team desperate for a LB will sign Trotter to start. (Which the bucs are). Trotter is too proud to be a backup...but that is all he is really good for anymore.
On another note...the only reason Dawkins and McNabb said anything about missing trotter are because they are the only two guys that remember him being here the first time around.
perhaps its semantics but trotter can probably still start hes just not a full time player
if he goes to another team and plays well on 1st and 2nd downs while the eagle are still getting gashed for tons of running yards then you can say it was a mistake
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2007, 10:54:12 AM
perhaps its semantics but trotter can probably still start hes just not a full time player
if he goes to another team and plays well on 1st and 2nd downs while the eagle are still getting gashed for tons of running yards then you can say it was a mistake
He didn't play well on 1st and 2nd down the past two seasons so I won't get down when teams are running all over us which is inevitable.
Quote from: Wingspan on August 23, 2007, 09:56:12 AM
Well it's been 48 hours of the media chumming the waters...this was bound to happen.
I think the media in general are surprised at the lacadasical reaction of the fans and they keep trying to get this into a frenzy.
I'd agree with that, but I will say this, if the defense or the team as a whole struggles, the hungry hungry hippos are going to have a field day with the way the perceive the situation was handled.
Also, I watched a portion of the fat man presser, and Reid emphasized that Trotter is not a second team guy, and that he deserved better. I think they felt that Gaither/Bradley were really making a strong push, and would have made Trotter at best a few play a game kind of guy. I don't think anyone in the coaching staff really figures Trotter is completely done, just that he would have to be on the bench for most, if not the whole game, and Trot wasn't having any of that.
Good for him, adios, and I'm done with the subject.
last year he was out of shape and played bad
two years ago he was fine
he could be fine again
especially if he only plays running downs
i personally think hes done and i said so after the raven game...but theres the possibility he isnt...well find out
DIE THREAD DIE.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 23, 2007, 11:01:07 AM
DIE THREAD DIE.
(http://www.forumspile.com/Die-Go_try_this.jpg)
I likey.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2007, 10:13:03 AM
mcnabb aint whining...hes finally showing some fire....i love it...pretty staggering comments if you think about it
and it aint no locker room revolt...its the players upset over a dear teammate getting cut...why cant players get pissed off and still do their jobs...its called being a professional
True talk.
^^^
True talk about the true talk.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 23, 2007, 10:37:30 AM
The truth is that I blast McNabb for being thick with Reid because I dislike Reid's coaching style.
I really like Reid's (and the front office's) GM and personnel style when it comes to cutting bait with old players and not over-committing to free agents, etc.
What I want is for McNabb to blast Reid The Coach and support Reid The GM, but that isn't what we get and it comes off as whining.
There, I explained myself.
umm but if he blasts Reid the coach he becomes Tiki, TO, or any number of other players blasted for being non team players for calling out coaches and other teammates.
as always mcnabb cant win with anything he says.
i bet dawkins, mcnabb, and other long time eagles were also upset by the letting go of players like douglas, vincent, taylor, and duce but the only difference here is the way they did it....3 weeks into camp so close to the season opener.
i will say this again...i dont have a problem with trotter being let go....i just hate our draft that much more though. we have immediate needs on the defense and we selected a guy who might not even be ready to start at QB for another yr or 2. so what happens? one injury to the LB corp or to the safeties and we are left with in experienced project players starting for a D that was already suspect. and we all know someone will get hurt. it happens every yr to every team. so the defense struggles again...we still make the playoffs thanks to the crappy NFC and we come up short again...and come next season mcnabb gets cut or maybe he gets hurt again and they start kolb justifying the pick. our "philosophy" is so retarded its unreal.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on August 23, 2007, 12:21:02 PM
i will say this again...i dont have a problem with trotter being let go....i just hate our draft that much more though. we have immediate needs on the defense and we selected a guy who might not even be ready to start at QB for another yr or 2. so what happens? one injury to the LB corp or to the safeties and we are left with in experienced project players starting for a D that was already suspect. and we all know someone will get hurt. it happens every yr to every team. so the defense struggles again...we still make the playoffs thanks to the crappy NFC and we come up short again...and come next season mcnabb gets cut or maybe he gets hurt again and they start kolb justifying the pick. our "philosophy" is so retarded its unreal.
They used 4 picks on defense this season, and 4 picks last year. How exactly are they ignoring their needs in the draft?
Quote from: Magical_Retard on August 23, 2007, 12:21:02 PM
umm but if he blasts Reid the coach he becomes Tiki, TO, or any number of other players blasted for being non team players for calling out coaches and other teammates.
as always mcnabb cant win with anything he says.
You're right about him blasting the coach, or course. I just hate how buddy buddy he and Reid are. I want him to keep his mouth shut but he never does. I want Reid to coach football like he cares but he never does.
Anyway, I'll stop now. Basically, as everyone can plainly see, I just want athletes to shut the farg up and until that happens I'll automatically assume that they are whining about something or acting like a punk every time they open their stupid mouths.
Quote from: Wingspan on August 23, 2007, 12:30:08 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on August 23, 2007, 12:21:02 PM
i will say this again...i dont have a problem with trotter being let go....i just hate our draft that much more though. we have immediate needs on the defense and we selected a guy who might not even be ready to start at QB for another yr or 2. so what happens? one injury to the LB corp or to the safeties and we are left with in experienced project players starting for a D that was already suspect. and we all know someone will get hurt. it happens every yr to every team. so the defense struggles again...we still make the playoffs thanks to the crappy NFC and we come up short again...and come next season mcnabb gets cut or maybe he gets hurt again and they start kolb justifying the pick. our "philosophy" is so retarded its unreal.
They used 4 picks on defense this season, and 4 picks last year. How exactly are they ignoring their needs in the draft?
going into the draft i thought our biggest need on this team was a Safety. im not sold on considine and with one injury to dawkins we are in deep doo doo. ok so we didnt get a safety in the first few rounds....my other concern was LB and we didnt get that either till later. im not sold on late round picks being counted on in their first season. yeah there are always gems in the late rounds who light the league on fire but its a very low percentage. gocong might turn out to be a great player but just like most ppl im more nervous about him than sure about him.
i dont know i just wanted them to make a move in draft...maybe even move up to get a Safety or LB...someone who could start now if needed...and not start cause of a injury or emergency situations. it might be my crazy conspiracy theory but this is exactly how they will justify their pick of kolb...unless we win the superbowl this yr.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 23, 2007, 12:31:56 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on August 23, 2007, 12:21:02 PM
umm but if he blasts Reid the coach he becomes Tiki, TO, or any number of other players blasted for being non team players for calling out coaches and other teammates.
as always mcnabb cant win with anything he says.
You're right about him blasting the coach, or course. I just hate how buddy buddy he and Reid are. I want him to keep his mouth shut but he never does. I want Reid to coach football like he cares but he never does.
Anyway, I'll stop now. Basically, as everyone can plainly see, I just want athletes to shut the farg up and until that happens I'll automatically assume that they are whining about something or acting like a punk every time they open their stupid mouths.
i agree with you....everytime i hear someone being interviewed or on ESPN or something i worry about what they will say. i would rather have the players shut up and just play. but if they do that certain ppl assume the players are soft or being controlled. either way you look at it...the media will find a way to twist it into something negative.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on August 23, 2007, 12:40:34 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on August 23, 2007, 12:30:08 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on August 23, 2007, 12:21:02 PM
i will say this again...i dont have a problem with trotter being let go....i just hate our draft that much more though. we have immediate needs on the defense and we selected a guy who might not even be ready to start at QB for another yr or 2. so what happens? one injury to the LB corp or to the safeties and we are left with in experienced project players starting for a D that was already suspect. and we all know someone will get hurt. it happens every yr to every team. so the defense struggles again...we still make the playoffs thanks to the crappy NFC and we come up short again...and come next season mcnabb gets cut or maybe he gets hurt again and they start kolb justifying the pick. our "philosophy" is so retarded its unreal.
They used 4 picks on defense this season, and 4 picks last year. How exactly are they ignoring their needs in the draft?
going into the draft i thought our biggest need on this team was a Safety. im not sold on considine and with one injury to dawkins we are in deep doo doo. ok so we didnt get a safety in the first few rounds....my other concern was LB and we didnt get that either till later. im not sold on late round picks being counted on in their first season. yeah there are always gems in the late rounds who light the league on fire but its a very low percentage. gocong might turn out to be a great player but just like most ppl im more nervous about him than sure about him.
i dont know i just wanted them to make a move in draft...maybe even move up to get a Safety or LB...someone who could start now if needed...and not start cause of a injury or emergency situations. it might be my crazy conspiracy theory but this is exactly how they will justify their pick of kolb...unless we win the superbowl this yr.
Reid and Heckert have said that if the Safteys they wanted were available, they would have not traded out of where there were. Once Merriweather was off, then Beason at LB they decided to move back and get more picks.
I don't remember anybody blasting Dawkins and telling him to STFU about his comments on losing Trotter.
I know, I know... it's different though, right?.
They used 4 picks on defense this season, and 4 picks last year. How exactly are they ignoring their needs in the draft?
only two linebackers tho and one was a 7th rounder
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 23, 2007, 12:58:09 PM
I don't remember anybody blasting Dawkins and telling him to STFU about his comments on losing Trotter.
I know, I know... it's different though, right?.
Dawkins is a stereotypical god-invoking athlete and I cringe at a lot of what he says. But you can't deny certain things. One of those things is that when Dawkins opens his mouth, it sounds like leadership. When McNabb opens his mouth it sounds like he's about to cry. There's nothing objective that I can point to and say "This is why Dawkins is a leader and McNabb is a talented goofball." But I don't think anyone can deny that there is a vast difference between the two.
Plus I'm scared that Dawkins will find me and fight me to the death if I bad mouth him. In which case the Eagles would lose their best player and I would get blood on my clothes.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2007, 01:03:52 PM
They used 4 picks on defense this season, and 4 picks last year. How exactly are they ignoring their needs in the draft?
only two linebackers tho and one was a 7th rounder
Um...3 technically
LBs, Bradley (Rd 3), Gocong (Rd 3), and Gaither (rd 5)
Yes, I know Gocong was a DE in college...but the goal all along was to have him move to LB.
And in 05, they used a 2nd rounder pick on McCoy. (Whether or not the player pans our has no bearing on the fact that they addressed the need through the draft)
And in 05, they used a 2nd rounder pick on McCoy
mccoy being a steaming pile of ish is one of the reasons they needed to go olb more than they have
if and its a huge if....a 7th rounder and a converted div II de work out then the starters are fine...but that still leaves pathetic depth at the position especially when these other guys are long shots to pan out
The thing that bothers me about McNabb is he's always been the class clown, cut-up type. And that's fine. If you think leading others by making them laugh and keep lose is the way to go, then so be it. The problem lies in when you try and act serious like some sort of foot-in-the-ass field general, it doesn't work.
You're either the keep-it-loose class clown or you're the no-bullshtein field-general type. You can't be both. It seems that lately Donovan has tried to assume a mantle of leadership and his teammates are looking at him like "dude, are you farging serious with this horseshtein - quit acting like something you're not."
I mean, I see it so his teammates have to as well, right? I don't know... maybe I'm wrong.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2007, 01:38:44 PM
And in 05, they used a 2nd rounder pick on McCoy
mccoy being a steaming pile of ish is one of the reasons they needed to go olb more than they have
if and its a huge if....a 7th rounder and a converted div II de work out then the starters are fine...but that still leaves pathetic depth at the position especially when these other guys are long shots to pan out
What 7th Rounder are you talking about?
5th rounder...gaither...sorry
point still stands...he was drafted as special teamer and only played last year because mccoy is wack...now he has to start
oh and romey the class clown mcnabb would work if mcnabb was actually funny
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2007, 01:45:02 PM
5th rounder...gaither...sorry
point still stands
I dont know what your point was to begin with. All you said originally was "only two linebackers tho and one was a 7th rounder"
Pretty good article on Trot and why he was so popular in Philly (http://community.comcast.net/comcastportal/blog/article?message.uid=580157)
I dont know what your point was to begin with. All you said originally was "only two linebackers tho and one was a 7th rounder"
because you brought up how many defensive players they have drafted in the last two years when the subject at hand was the linebackers...and i was just saying that they really havent addressed the lb position properly in those two drafts...especially this past year
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2007, 01:56:31 PM
I dont know what your point was to begin with. All you said originally was "only two linebackers tho and one was a 7th rounder"
because you brought up how many defensive players they have drafted in the last two years when the subject at hand was the linebackers...and i was just saying that they really havent addressed the lb position properly in those two drafts...especially this past year
Ok, fine. But they used 3 picks out of 16 on LBs. Considering that only 3 of 22 positions are LBs, I think it's properly addressed.
Reid has always drafted for a goal of about a year out, or longer. Which is why 2 LBs were taken in 2006, and 2 were also taken in 2005. Which actually makes it 5 LBs in 3 years. For someone else to say that Reid has not properly addressed weaknesses in the draft, by only looking at their first pick of that current year's draft, is shortsighted and inaccurate.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2007, 01:56:31 PM
I dont know what your point was to begin with. All you said originally was "only two linebackers tho and one was a 7th rounder"
because you brought up how many defensive players they have drafted in the last two years when the subject at hand was the linebackers...and i was just saying that they really havent addressed the lb position properly in those two drafts...especially this past year
exactly!
you cant point to late round picks who are mostly projects and say they addressed the position. especially when that position is weak to begin with. you need top talent there to replace the garbage you have and yet they keep reaching for players who might or might not pan out...and most likely not. also wingspan..he only drafted those 2 other LBs in 06 cause the ones on the roster didnt work out and he prolly couldnt find some project O lineman he could draft (basically at that point pick whatever you want and its just really a guess since there are no givens in those drafts...hell no givens anywhere in the draft but you play the numbers game percentage wise).
point is drafting project LBs late into the draft yr after yr is not addressing the position. thats really hoping some of the crap you draft turns out to be good.
and how is mcnabb now being a bad arse leader now? just cause he expressed his views on trotter leaving? what should have he done? made a joke about trotter leaving that no one thought was funny. he cant be a clown at all times and serious at all times. i think hes a clown on purpose to the media cause the media is so pathetic in how they try to find stories where there are none. again with mcnabb its always hes gotta be perfect in everything he says and in his tone and when he says it and how quickly he says it or where he says it from. its almost like we want mcnabb to be TO.
point is drafting project LBs late into the draft yr after yr is not addressing the position. thats really hoping some of the crap you draft turns out to be good.
precisely
and if youre gonna take a shot with a low round pick in gaither who initially was brought in for special teams and a total project in gocong then in 07 you better draft a highly rated guy somewhere...as of now they have none of those...its two projects and a bunch of scrubs
Since when is the 3rd round late in the draft?
It's late on Saturday.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 23, 2007, 01:42:03 PM
The thing that bothers me about McNabb is he's always been the class clown, cut-up type. And that's fine. If you think leading others by making them laugh and keep lose is the way to go, then so be it. The problem lies in when you try and act serious like some sort of foot-in-the-ass field general, it doesn't work.
You're either the keep-it-loose class clown or you're the no-bullshtein field-general type. You can't be both. It seems that lately Donovan has tried to assume a mantle of leadership and his teammates are looking at him like "dude, are you farging serious with this horseshtein - quit acting like something you're not."
I mean, I see it so his teammates have to as well, right? I don't know... maybe I'm wrong.
Sure you can. People listen more when you get all serious
because it's out of character.
We Got :puke
Quote from: Wingspan on August 23, 2007, 02:19:33 PM
Since when is the 3rd round late in the draft?
It's not late. But remember, they didn't draft Bradley to be a MLB... it just turns out now that they figure he may be able to play there. They drafted him because he was a natural SAM.
What I think IGY and Magic are getting at is that the Eagles knew that Trotter had a bad year last year and the thought of possibly releasing him crept into their heads all the way back in January. Why then, do you go through the draft without going after a top level player at that position to groom as a replacement instead of taking a project and trying to fit a square in a round peg that may or may not fit?
They've done this a lot just in the recent years with their LB's.
Simoneau - was an OLB with in ATL. Eagles put him at MLB.
Bowtie - was a MLB in college and a WIL in NY. Eagles put him at SAM
Gaither - was a MLB in college. Eagles put him at WIL (last year).
Gocong - was a DE in college. Eagles have him STARTING at SAM.
Bradley - again, a SLB in college. Eagles are turning him into a MLB.
If they're not going to get out there and go after quality LB's (Spikes notwithstanding) then I think you at least have to do yourself a favor and go after some top-notch LB prospects in the draft.
^^^^
the voice of reason
Not that I really feel like jumping into this pointless conversation, but they did bring in Spikes. And if a top prospect they like was available, I don't doubt that would have been a strong consideration. And, believe me, I'm not overwhelmed by what they've done at LB over the last ten years or so...dating back to before Reid. I mean, they haven't been able to draft a solid LB early in forever...probably going back to Darling.
...but Simoneau's the starting MLB of the Saints still!
McNabb is such a bitch.
Quote from: Zanshin on August 23, 2007, 03:44:47 PM
Not that I really feel like jumping into this pointless conversation, but they did bring in Spikes. And if a top prospect they like was available, I don't doubt that would have been a strong consideration. And, believe me, I'm not overwhelmed by what they've done at LB over the last ten years or so...dating back to before Reid. I mean, they haven't been able to draft a solid LB early in forever...probably going back to Darling.
see i would agree with this cept when they have really liked a player and deemed that position "worthy" they have traded up or gone after that player. they didnt do it this yr with the safeties they liked or the LBs they possibly liked cause its not "worth enough" to them. if it was some DLineman or Olineman they considered amazing, regardless of need, they would have gone for him. not that im saying draft for need ONLY, but when you have needs on a team built to go deep into the playoffs and possibly a superbowl you dont ignore the needs till later rounds.
the eagles FO always seems to be buidling for a tomorrow that never comes.
If Gaither brings sideline-to-sideline speed in the middle and makes good reads on which gaps to attack, then I think he may be an upgrade over Trotter in the middle. All eyes are on him though, and the team has relatively high expectations. We'll see how he responds.
The Eagles collectively are good with personnel. For all the "questionable" moves that they made over the years they all seemed to turn out for the better save Burgess.
Plus, like someone else mentioned, I don't think Trotter is going to be playing special teams if he can barely run for one or two downs a series as it is, making most teams reluctant to sign him as a backup who may be a liability in kick coverage. The fact that he agreed with the move and was very gracious about it has me thinking that he knew that he is running on empty -- maybe not emotionally or mentally but his knees just won't let him play anymore at a high level.
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 23, 2007, 03:22:01 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on August 23, 2007, 02:19:33 PM
Since when is the 3rd round late in the draft?
It's not late. But remember, they didn't draft Bradley to be a MLB... it just turns out now that they figure he may be able to play there. They drafted him because he was a natural SAM.
What I think IGY and Magic are getting at is that the Eagles knew that Trotter had a bad year last year and the thought of possibly releasing him crept into their heads all the way back in January. Why then, do you go through the draft without going after a top level player at that position to groom as a replacement instead of taking a project and trying to fit a square in a round peg that may or may not fit?
They've done this a lot just in the recent years with their LB's.
Simoneau - was an OLB with in ATL. Eagles put him at MLB.
Bowtie - was a MLB in college and a WIL in NY. Eagles put him at SAM
Gaither - was a MLB in college. Eagles put him at WIL (last year).
Gocong - was a DE in college. Eagles have him STARTING at SAM.
Bradley - again, a SLB in college. Eagles are turning him into a MLB.
If they're not going to get out there and go after quality LB's (Spikes notwithstanding) then I think you at least have to do yourself a favor and go after some top-notch LB prospects in the draft.
The original plan for Simoneau was to play the outside if i remember right, when they were hoping that Barry Gardner would work out (a 2nd Rd pick) at MLB for trotters second absent year). He was forced in the middle when Gardner crapped his pants.
Gaither was MLB in college, and now is moving to play MLB, he was forced to play the outside spot because McCoy (another high draft pick, who was playing his natural position...that you convienently left off of your list) was constantly injured, and or out of position.
I can't explain Jones...
And you can't discount Spikes. LB was a need...and they got one of the best available.
Seriously, here's the reality-- and it has almost nothing to do with the Linebackers-- if the farging DTs can do their jobs with any kind of consistency, the Linebackers will be okay, particularly Gaither. If the D-line folds up like last year, the LBs are going to be the ones that take the brunt of the criticism. Especially because he's a smaller, quick LB, Gaither needs the big guys to play like big guys.
Quote from: Zanshin on August 23, 2007, 03:54:29 PM
Gaither needs the big guys to play like big guys.
That's the problem. Under JJ, the "big" guys up front have never really been all that big.
^^^^
exactly
bunkley
gaither
considine
up the middle isnt exactly putting fear in anyone
the linebackers leave a lot to be desired and unless a lot of pretty far fetched things go right they are gonna be bad for the forseeable future
True enough.... The better plan probably would have been to tell Trotter to forget about dropping weight and just pack on a few more pounds so they could have plunked him in at DT. See, I'm a problem-solver like that.
Holy Shtien did you guys know Trotter got cut?
Quote from: Wingspan on August 23, 2007, 03:53:12 PM
The original plan for Simoneau was to play the outside if i remember right, when they were hoping that Barry Gardner would work out (a 2nd Rd pick) at MLB for trotters second absent year). He was forced in the middle when Gardner crapped his pants.
Gaither was MLB in college, and now is moving to play MLB, he was forced to play the outside spot because McCoy (another high draft pick, who was playing his natural position...that you convienently left off of your list) was constantly injured, and or out of position.
I can't explain Jones...
And you can't discount Spikes. LB was a need...and they got one of the best available.
Simoneau was brought in to be in the middle. He was the replacement for Kirkland... who was the replacement for Trotter. It was obvious that Kirkland couldn't move... they made the transition to a "smaller, quicker" MLB... who turned out to be Simoneau.
I didn't leave McCoy off the list at all... I said that Andy has frequently played LB's out of their natural positions. McCoy just happens to be one of the exceptions. Of course... don't forget that he was considered a reach in the 2nd round and has done little to disprove that up to this point... which again, speaks to my point about top level prospects.
I don't want to discount Spikes. I'm obviously very happy that they've finally aggressively addressed this. My point on that is that it's about damn time... but where else has this happened? What other FA's has Andy brought in that are or have ever been the calibre of Spikes? What top level LB prospects has Andy drafted?
It took Reid about 8 years to draft a quality reciever (Brown) and he's an offensive minded coach. Give him another 8 years to finally learn how to recognize a talented linebacker.
Better yet. Send him hunting with Dick Cheney.
If there's a descent Momon LB prospect out there our problem will be solved!
not to mention they sign aging and or injured LBs to 1 yr contracts knowing full well its a 1 yr deal for both the player and team.
they dont do that with any other position really.
What I just still don't understand is what they gain by losing trot as a back-up.
I can't believe that he would ask to be cut if not gaurenteed the starting job, so what would they gain?
Money? can't be that much when you factor in the SB cap hit so it must be a Roster spot.
So then the question is, who is more valubale to them to keep on the team then having Trot be a back-up at MLB?
I just cannot imagine anyone who would be more valubale than veteran injury insurance at MLB.
Jason avant?
Big-head white o-line back-up dude?
I still can't agree with it.
trot said after he was cut he was willing to be a run stopping backer only
i have to say tho after seeing him in that raven game even against the run he simply couldnt get the job done...which is why along with the prospect of seeing these young guys move in i was for the move...but even being in favor of it i have to admit that they have a very tenous at best plan b..you just got to hope it works...i wish it were one if tho instead of three or four
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeff&id=2987771
This guy doesn't seem thrilled about the Eagles prospects or the Trotter release. Interesting he noticed that we are getting older, without in turn noticing we have drafted players Kolb, Justice, MGJ etc, to try and prepare for the future.
BAM!!
That was the .44 automag killing this thread..............please.
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/sports/20070824_Johnson_has_faith_in_the_Birds_young_linebackers.html
QuoteJohnson has faith in the Birds' young linebackers
By Ashley Fox
Inquirer Staff Writer
Jim Johnson supported, and probably facilitated, Andy Reid's decision Monday to cut Jeremiah Trotter. Why?
"We felt good about our young linebackers, and Takeo [Spikes]," Johnson said yesterday.
There is little question that the Eagles have a lot of faith in second-year linebacker Omar Gaither, who on Tuesday emerged as the starter in the middle. Chris Gocong is high on the Eagles' list, even though Gocong, who played defensive end in college, has never played a snap at outside linebacker in a regular-season game.
Rookie Stewart Bradley has impressed the coaches with his work on special teams and his ability to grasp both the middle and strong-side linebacker positions. He is entrenched as the backup to both Gaither and Gocong, although Johnson said yesterday that Bradley would be hard-pressed to get any game action as long as those starters stay healthy.
Spikes is the only one with appreciable playing experience, although none with the Eagles. At 30 years old - he will turn 31 in December - Spikes also is the oldest linebacker, by far.
In fact, of the projected starting defensive front seven, only Jevon Kearse was on the Eagles team that went to the Super Bowl. There's been immense turnover, capped by Trotter's exit.
"It surprises me, but that's part of free agency, part of the NFL, it seems like," Johnson said. "All of a sudden we've had a big change- over at linebacker. Of course, we drafted some young tackles. I think now you could see it stay [this way] for a while. But all of a sudden there was a big turnover in about a two-year time. But that's part of the NFL."
Like Andy Reid the day before, Johnson refused to get into the reasons Trotter was released. But he praised Gaither's poise, his athleticism, and his knack for making big plays and always being around the football. Gaither is considerably smaller than Trotter - 235 pounds to 262 pounds - but he is quicker.
The questions are how will Brodrick Bunkley and Mike Patterson fare in stopping the run, and if they are ineffective, can Gaither hold down the middle? It's a lot to ask of a man who played a different position in college.
"He is lighter, there's no question about that," Johnson said of Gaither. "Trot was such a physical guy, and we know that. Omar's a little bit more of a finesse-type linebacker. But again, he has a knack about playing football. This is nothing against Trotter - I never said that - [Gaither] just made plays, and these are things we like about Omar."
Gaither became the starter at weakside linebacker with five regular-season games to go. In his second start, against Washington, he picked off Jason Campbell for his first career interception, returning it 16 yards. Gaither got his first career sack against the Giants on Dec. 17, when he brought down Eli Manning for a 12-yard loss that put the Giants out of field-goal range.
In the season finale against Atlanta, with most of the regular starters resting, Gaither played middle linebacker nearly the entire game and had a career-high 14 tackles.
"We saw in the [second] game we started him in, all of a sudden he comes up with a big interception," Johnson said. "He's around the football a lot. We knew it, and again, we always felt he was a better [middle] linebacker than a [weakside] linebacker."
Gaither will not get any more reps than the rest of the defensive starters when the Eagles play at Pittsburgh on Sunday, Johnson said.
As for the rest of the defense, Johnson said that Trent Cole will start opposite Kearse at defensive end and that he considers both Cole and Darren Howard, who should get about the same number of reps against the Steelers, starters.
Brian Dawkins likely will play Sunday. The bigger question for Johnson is who will be the fourth safety behind Dawkins, Sean Considine and Quintin Mikell? Three players - C.J. Gaddis, Marcus Paschal and Chris Smith - essentially are battling for one spot.
"Those guys," Johnson said, "they've got to step up a little bit."
I'm just annoyed that they have a starting linebacker with a number in the 90s...what is that? Get a real number son.
Quote from: SunMo on August 24, 2007, 10:22:00 AM
I'm just annoyed that they have a starting linebacker with a number in the 90s...what is that? Get a real number son.
I was annoyed that Trotter was an old man wearing braces on his teeth. We are better off.
Who is this "Trotter" person?
Quote from: Quasimoto on August 24, 2007, 06:30:13 AM
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/sports/20070824_Johnson_has_faith_in_the_Birds_young_linebackers.html
QuoteJohnson has faith in the Birds' young linebackers
By Ashley Fox
Inquirer Staff Writer
Jim Johnson supported, and probably facilitated, Andy Reid's decision Monday to cut Jeremiah Trotter. Why?
"We felt good about our young linebackers, and Takeo [Spikes]," Johnson said yesterday.
There is little question that the Eagles have a lot of faith in second-year linebacker Omar Gaither, who on Tuesday emerged as the starter in the middle. Chris Gocong is high on the Eagles' list, even though Gocong, who played defensive end in college, has never played a snap at outside linebacker in a regular-season game.
Rookie Stewart Bradley has impressed the coaches with his work on special teams and his ability to grasp both the middle and strong-side linebacker positions. He is entrenched as the backup to both Gaither and Gocong, although Johnson said yesterday that Bradley would be hard-pressed to get any game action as long as those starters stay healthy.
Spikes is the only one with appreciable playing experience, although none with the Eagles. At 30 years old - he will turn 31 in December - Spikes also is the oldest linebacker, by far.
In fact, of the projected starting defensive front seven, only Jevon Kearse was on the Eagles team that went to the Super Bowl. There's been immense turnover, capped by Trotter's exit.
"It surprises me, but that's part of free agency, part of the NFL, it seems like," Johnson said. "All of a sudden we've had a big change- over at linebacker. Of course, we drafted some young tackles. I think now you could see it stay [this way] for a while. But all of a sudden there was a big turnover in about a two-year time. But that's part of the NFL."
Like Andy Reid the day before, Johnson refused to get into the reasons Trotter was released. But he praised Gaither's poise, his athleticism, and his knack for making big plays and always being around the football. Gaither is considerably smaller than Trotter - 235 pounds to 262 pounds - but he is quicker.
The questions are how will Brodrick Bunkley and Mike Patterson fare in stopping the run, and if they are ineffective, can Gaither hold down the middle? It's a lot to ask of a man who played a different position in college.
"He is lighter, there's no question about that," Johnson said of Gaither. "Trot was such a physical guy, and we know that. Omar's a little bit more of a finesse-type linebacker. But again, he has a knack about playing football. This is nothing against Trotter - I never said that - [Gaither] just made plays, and these are things we like about Omar."
Gaither became the starter at weakside linebacker with five regular-season games to go. In his second start, against Washington, he picked off Jason Campbell for his first career interception, returning it 16 yards. Gaither got his first career sack against the Giants on Dec. 17, when he brought down Eli Manning for a 12-yard loss that put the Giants out of field-goal range.
In the season finale against Atlanta, with most of the regular starters resting, Gaither played middle linebacker nearly the entire game and had a career-high 14 tackles.
"We saw in the [second] game we started him in, all of a sudden he comes up with a big interception," Johnson said. "He's around the football a lot. We knew it, and again, we always felt he was a better [middle] linebacker than a [weakside] linebacker."
Gaither will not get any more reps than the rest of the defensive starters when the Eagles play at Pittsburgh on Sunday, Johnson said.
As for the rest of the defense, Johnson said that Trent Cole will start opposite Kearse at defensive end and that he considers both Cole and Darren Howard, who should get about the same number of reps against the Steelers, starters.
Brian Dawkins likely will play Sunday. The bigger question for Johnson is who will be the fourth safety behind Dawkins, Sean Considine and Quintin Mikell? Three players - C.J. Gaddis, Marcus Paschal and Chris Smith - essentially are battling for one spot.
"Those guys," Johnson said, "they've got to step up a little bit."
when have they not been confident in the scrubs or project players they pick can get it done? hell ANDY was confident with pinkston, thrash, and fred ex.
Quote from: SunMo on August 24, 2007, 10:22:00 AM
I'm just annoyed that they have a starting linebacker with a number in the 90s...what is that? Get a real number son.
I hear that #54 is available.
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 24, 2007, 12:00:23 PM
Quote from: SunMo on August 24, 2007, 10:22:00 AM
I'm just annoyed that they have a starting linebacker with a number in the 90s...what is that? Get a real number son.
I hear that #54 is available.
Wrong. It's being retired this season.
does anyone else think jim johnson sounds like fozzie bear
In fozzie were in his 70's then yes
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 24, 2007, 10:26:07 AM
Quote from: SunMo on August 24, 2007, 10:22:00 AM
I'm just annoyed that they have a starting linebacker with a number in the 90s...what is that? Get a real number son.
I was annoyed that Trotter was an old man wearing braces on his teeth. We are better off.
plus, you lose about 10,000 black points if you have straight teeth, what was he thinking?
What a boring story. What's Johnson going say, "Our linebackers are horrible and I have no faith in them whatsoever"? That's one of those stories where the Eagles PR arm writes it and Ashley Fox runs spell check and sends it to her editor.
Jesus. Farging. Christ.
I just heard today.
Angry.
farg this.
He sucked and it was time. I realize you love him, but Gaither needs to be starting.
Die.
Let me be angry and irrational and spout off nonsense for a little bit.
I'm not stopping you, big guy. Being irrationally angry is nothing but fun.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 25, 2007, 01:41:22 AM
Jesus. Farging. Christ.
I just heard today.
Angry.
farg this.
I know how you feel. I already did the being pissed thing. Now I'm just shaking my head when I look at the depth chart and wondering how we will get through the year with a paper thin linebacking corps.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 25, 2007, 01:41:22 AM
Jesus. Farging. Christ.
I just heard today.
Angry.
farg this.
Haha. You spelled out F-A-R-G-I-N-G.
You rule.
Will he wind up in TAMPA with GARCIA
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 25, 2007, 01:41:22 AM
Jesus. Farging. Christ.
I just heard today.
Angry.
farg this.
Just think about Peru, Phreak. Happy thoughts. ;)
Phreak still has the Phillies to comfort him.
:-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 25, 2007, 08:40:47 AM
Phreak still has the Phillies to comfort him.
:-D
That's like lying on a bed of nails.
:-D
You know how comforting it was not knowing what was going on in the world of Philadelphia sports for two weeks? I didn't know anything while I was away. So I get back yesterday and my boy was like "have you heard the news?"
So he tells me they cut Trotter. I thought he was farging with me. And then tells me about King Cole.
So I'm mad I had to come home + all this shtein too.
Life is a bitch, then you die. 'specially if your an Eagles fan.
I'm still pissed. >:(
Can't imagine why.
Stop whining Phreak and accept my friend request on Facebook. Or maybe it was another Jason H. in PA...oops. That could be kind of embarrasing.
whats your name on facebook, munson. id love to see how retarded your profile is.
David Vagnoni. Delaware Tech :-D
(http://profile.ak.facebook.com/profile5/68/30/s207001885_7304.jpg)
Aww skeet.
I wouldnt be surprised to see Trotter come back to the Eagles. They let him walk for 2 weeks on the street to see what market value he has for other teams interested. He might realize that he doesnt have much out there, and take $1 million in salary instead of the $2.5 million or whatever it is from the Eagles to be a run stopper only
The Eagles at least gave him the opportunity
The Eagles at least gave him the opportunity
according to trotter no they didnt
Quote from: reese125 on August 27, 2007, 03:48:20 PM
I wouldnt be surprised to see Trotter come back to the Eagles. They let him walk for 2 weeks on the street to see what market value he has for other teams interested. He might realize that he doesnt have much out there, and take $1 million in salary instead of the $2.5 million or whatever it is from the Eagles to be a run stopper only
The Eagles at least gave him the opportunity
That would be the most embarrassing thing in the Reid era if it happened.
whys that? Reids telling him that he cant use him on passing plays because hes detrimental to those specific downs, but we can use you for run downs...just take a pay cut.
Trotter supposedly didnt want to do that for ego reasons IMO, but I think history speaks for itself with Trotter. He could very well see the light when hes unemployed
trotter was on wip the day after his release and he said that he was not offered a limited role and that if he was he would have taken it...he fully admitted that he isnt able to play passing downs anymore...what he said he wouldnt do is be a back up to gaither
Quote from: reese125 on August 27, 2007, 04:01:33 PM
whys that? Reids telling him that he cant use him on passing plays because hes detrimental to those specific downs, but we can use you for run downs...just take a pay cut.
Trotter supposedly didnt want to do that for ego reasons IMO, but I think history speaks for itself with Trotter. He could very well see the light when hes unemployed
That was the plan last season. But opponents we not all that accomdating, and decided to pass more when Trotter was on the field.
I think it is embarrassing because they asked him to retire before they cut him. Then after one game where the defense doesn't play well they all of a sudden want to bring him back. It would look like they have no idea what they are doing if they suddenly want to bring him back.
They obviously think he has nothing left. So if they suddenly want to bring him back, what does that say about their evaluation of players?
But opponents we not all that accomdating, and decided to pass more when Trotter was on the field
this is true...like madden pointed out last night this isnt your grand pappys nfl...people throw all the time on first down...especially if they can exploit you...it was one thing for trotter to be weak against the pass which hes been for a while...its entirely another to physically not be able to play it at all...which is where he is now
very true..good points. Upstairs sees him on the field, they pass
Well, theres always squeeges and Magic Tire Shine
I don't know if Dick Butkus would have made a difference last night.
Quote from: shorebird on August 27, 2007, 04:46:56 PM
I don't know if Dick Butkus would have made a difference last night.
Probably not. He is 65 years old, after all. ;)
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 27, 2007, 06:28:24 PM
Quote from: shorebird on August 27, 2007, 04:46:56 PM
I don't know if Dick Butkus would have made a difference last night.
Probably not. He is 65 years old, after all. ;)
And really bad knees.
Can't be any worse than Trotter.
GCobb says Trotter signed with Tampa. (http://gcobb.com/content/view/504/1/)
QuoteComcast Sportsnet reports that Jeremiah Trotter has signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The Bucs are bad fit for Trot. This clearly is a case of Jon Gruden making a move to grab a player who he had success with him in the past.
Sure it is. After all, Trotter was drafted in 1998 by the Eagles and Gruden was coaching the Raiders by then, so of course Gruden had success with Trotter.
:-D
Wasn't Trot useless in his rookie year, too?
Trotter in the Cover 2 = Laughable
As if I needed a reason to hate Tampa even more....
Good luck to Trot though...I hope he does well and shoves it right up the Eagles asses for cutting him.
Yes, I'm still angry.
The Eagles aren't playing the Bucs this year, Phreak.
PS: More Prozac less Dianabol, bro. ;)
According to Rotoworld:
"Trotter is expected to focus on backing Barrett Ruud up in the middle. He doesn't have much left, but is veteran insurance behind a first-year starter"
He'll agree to back up Ruud--a 1st yr starter same as Gaither would of been? Intersting
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 03, 2007, 01:17:05 PM
The Eagles aren't playing the Bucs this year, Phreak.
PS: More Prozac less Dianabol, bro. ;)
I know..but I want him to have a solid season as a big huge farg you to Andy Reid. Cram it right up their smug asses.
And I'll just drink heavily...thats my medication.
Stop. He's cooked.
He's been cooked for years, that never stopped anyone from slobbering over him.
:puke Don't like it on bit!!
In a move to keep pace with the Phi, Satan decides to cut veteran Aaron Glenn to piss off his Defense and upset the lockerroom as well (9/3/07 ehh.).
does anyone like the name barrett rudd as much as me
Two last names = money.
Two first names = Hick.
i'm just pissed. my wife was able to go to the NEX with a neighbor last year in early december. With high cost of living in Hawaii you pray someone will take you to the exchange or commissary. She calls me from the Navy Exchange saying they have Eagles jerseys. Authentic! $50! Says they have #54 or #18. Sensing Stallworth was outta here i tell her to get Trott. Awesome. I wore it the rest of the season. I was so jacked to wear it this year. Now this happens.
IGY, let me know the next time you head to Moddell's. I'll get you a Colt Brennan jersey.
Seeing him in a red #50 jersey in practice didn't look right
Deactivated vs Seattle
Not having Trotter was the least of the Eagles' problems yesterday.